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Title: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 20, 2014, 02:41:43 AM
I'm working heaven and earth in the book of Matthew.

Anyone else see it as the theme of the book?

Matthew 3
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear : he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

The coming of Jesus Christ was the axe laid at the root of the tree.  The fire represents a  soon coming judgment.

Matthew 3
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Again the fire represents judgement..........I don't believe it is talking about the end times, but the present times that Jesus was in.

Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come ?

Matthew 4
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world(Kosmos), and the glory of them;

Heaven and earth are what the devil was talking about.  The king of heaven was getting ready to thoroughly defeat it.........the adversary, and take charge of heaven and earth.

Matthew 5
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth(Ge).

The kingdom of heaven is on earth through Jesus Christ.  The Body of Christ is the method through which the king ministers on earth.

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy , but to fulfil . 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled .

I'm interested in how Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets........or has he?   This is where I am looking for more light.

Matthew 5
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool : neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 6
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come . Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Matthew 6
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt , and where thieves break through and steal : 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt , and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

What heaven is being talked about?  A future heaven?  I have always believed the present heaven.

I'm still working the sermon on the mount..........It may take me a little while to get to


Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.










Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on October 20, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
"MATTHEW'S ACCOUNT

MATTHEW manifests the Messiah as the Son of David and the Son of Abraham. He is the King of Israel and the Owner of the land. His genealogy is presented to prove His title to the throne and attest His inheritance from the father of the faithful. This account is occupied with the kingdom to Israel and the land of promise. It is concerned with the covenants made with Abraham and with David.
     The four accounts or portraitures of Christ give four discriminated aspects of their common subject: and are not intended to be "harmonized". Each writer has his peculiar principles of selection and arrangement. Matthew's account, ever recognized as the Hebrew gospel, is the true commencement of the Greek scriptures, showing how they grow out of the Hebrew writings. It quotes at every step from the older scriptures. It is both a history and a fulfillment of prophecy. Matthew never rises above the plane of Israel's interests and hopes.
     The characteristic phrase is "the kingdom of the heavens". This refers to Daniel's prophecy, "And in the days of these kings the God of the heavens shall set up a kingdom which shall not be harmed for the eon, and the kingdom shall not be left to another people. It shall crush and terminate all these kingdoms.... (Dan.2:44). "And the kingdom and the authority and the majesty of the kingdom under all the heavens is granted to the people of the saints of the supremacies..." (Dan.7:27) It is a kingdom in the sense that Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece were kingdoms; it is still future; it is the rule of one people over other nations; yet it will not be destroyed as its predecessors in world dominion, but will last for the eons.
     Notwithstanding the fact that Messiah is sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (15:24) and that He forbade His apostles to go to the nations or Samaritans (10:5), the few instances in which the aliens are mentioned are most significant. Four gentile women enter the genealogy (1:3,5,6). Tamar's sin introduced her into the line of ancestry, Rahab came in by faith. In Ruth's case grace triumphed over the law that would ban a Moabite from the congregation of Jehovah. Bathsheba reminds us of David's great transgression and shows us grace reigning despite sin. The magi come to worship Him, while Herod seeks His life (2:1-12). The centurion exhibits a faith unknown in Israel (8:5-12). The Canaanitish woman is commended for her confidence in Christ (15:21-28). Pilate and his wife refuse responsibility when the Jews seek to condemn Him (27:10,24). The centurion at the cross acknowledges that He is the Son of God (27:54). It is only at the end of the account, after all authority on earth is in the hands of the King, that the disciples are commissioned to go and make disciples of all nations. This cannot occur until the kingdom comes. Thus the proclamation of the kingdom of the heavens is restricted to the people of whom the prophet Daniel spoke.
     The narrative is divided into two distinct periods, each of which begins with His acknowledgement as Son of God by a voice from heaven and closes by its acknowledgment by men, the first by the disciples the second by the nations. The first extends from John's baptism (3:16-17), and closes with Peter's confession (16:16). During this period the kingdom is proclaimed and rejected, so that He forbids its further proclamation. The second period is occupied with His priestly preparation for the sacrifice on Golgotha. It begins with the transformation on the mount (17:1-5) where Moses and Elijah spoke of His decease, and continued to the crucifixion, where the centurion said, "Truly this was God's Son!" (27:54)." (Concordant Commentary pg.10-Matthew's Account)
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: micah7:9 on October 20, 2014, 03:28:54 AM
I for one, and that is just me personally, getting weary of "Concordant Commentary."
I use the CLV translation, and find it very good, but the continual inference that it holds a "period" at the end of it's offer causes me to just wonder.  :2c:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on October 20, 2014, 03:44:48 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 20, 2014, 03:28:54 AM
I for one, and that is just me personally, getting weary of "Concordant Commentary."
I use the CLV translation, and find it very good, but the continual inference that it holds a "period" at the end of it's offer causes me to just wonder.  :2c:

Well, when I quote something from it, bro, it's not meant to be the one and only perspective or an authority. Even Knoch said it shouldn't be considered as such. It's just a "commentary" by one man that is sometimes helpful for folks.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on October 20, 2014, 03:46:18 AM
I think the word of God is the authority, and Knoch has said so too.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on October 20, 2014, 03:52:13 AM
I've seen various comments on this forum that I don't agree with, but I accept them as personal perspectives because that is what we all share here.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: micah7:9 on October 20, 2014, 04:54:16 AM

Three posts to say one thing. Condense. :dsunny: :Peace2:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 20, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
So when we read:

Matthew 5
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

I automatically see the kingdom of heaven as being right then for those who were hearing and for all time.  The Kingdom of heaven is always.

And again:

Matthew 5
11 Blessed are ye , when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely , for my sake . 12 Rejoice , and be exceeding glad : for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

The reward in heaven is always present, just as the kingdom of heaven is always present........I don't see it as a far off treasure that we get at the end of the road, I see the reward in heaven as an ever present reality.

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Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 20, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
Matthew 5
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid . 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy , but to fulfil .

Reading the above all in one section, I wonder if I can say that fulfilling the law and the prophets is making a people that are the salt of the earth and the light of the world. 

Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets by making a people that were indeed the true salt of the earth and light of the world. This people is the people who know the kingdom of heaven and bring it to earth through every day encounter.

It is interesting the tone change between chapter 5 and 6..........  Chapter 6 is all about not doing your works for men to see.

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Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on October 20, 2014, 03:24:31 PM
 
Bro ed ,
  always love what you share with us !!   
I agree   with you
  the old heavens and earth are under the old covenant    of the law    and prophets   as a servant

  to me   the new heavens and  earth are those    under the grace of God though Jesus Christ  and the sons of God

I believe Jesus come to fulfill or  finish the work that the law and prophets    started all them generations      under the  tree of knowledge of good and evil   
  we see the good of God  in the old heavens and earth  testament and  we see the good and perfect in the new testament  tree of life

and Even Jesus telling us to choose the good in that old tree         so the perfect will come !   it  is  a continued     progression of the HOLY SPIRIT  OF TRUTH   /SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

GOD BLESS YOU !!   Jesus come to   complete the old     covenant  , the water baptism      was fulfilling all righteousness Jesus got baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Exodus 29:1-7, according to the law and prophets      bring in the new covenant  the everlasting one     bringing in many sons of God into glory   !!!     aaron means light bringer and Jesus is the Light of the world   
    Jesus explains this      in Matthew       21   33-45

  Parable of the Evil Farmers
33 "Now listen to another story. A certain landowner planted a vineyard, built a wall around it, dug a pit for pressing out the grape juice, and built a lookout tower. Then he leased the vineyard to tenant farmers and moved to another country. 34 At the time of the grape harvest, he sent his servants to collect his share of the crop. 35 But the farmers grabbed his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 So the landowner sent a larger group of his servants to collect for him, but the results were the same.

37 "Finally, the owner sent his son, thinking, 'Surely they will respect my son.'

38 "But when the tenant farmers saw his son coming, they said to one another, 'Here comes the heir to this estate. Come on, let's kill him and get the estate for ourselves!' 39 So they grabbed him, dragged him out of the vineyard, and murdered him.

40 "When the owner of the vineyard returns," Jesus asked, "what do you think he will do to those farmers?"

41 The religious leaders replied, "He will put the wicked men to a horrible death and lease the vineyard to others who will give him his share of the crop after each harvest."

42 Then Jesus asked them, "Didn't you ever read this in the Scriptures?

'The stone that the builders rejected
    has now become the cornerstone.
This is the Lord's doing,
    and it is wonderful to see.'
43 I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation that will produce the proper fruit. 44 Anyone who stumbles over that stone will be broken to pieces, and it will crush anyone it falls on."

45 When the leading priests and Pharisees heard this parable, they realized he was telling the story against them—they were the wicked farmers.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on October 20, 2014, 03:33:13 PM


  There are so many treasures  of the heart to keep in them 
the law and prophets   under the law of the tree of knowledge of good and evil        exposes  the sin     and need for repentance   a change of mind/ heart  and garments  as nakedness  for sin  as a covering

  and with Jesus Christ we  have     humility      ,,      humbled   to the obedience to the will of God the Father  and being clothed in Christ 

Gal    3 26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: micah7:9 on October 20, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Mat 5:1  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,


Not speaking to the multitudes. Just saying. :dsunny: He is talking to us, disciples.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on October 20, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 20, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
Mat 5:1  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,


Not speaking to the multitudes. Just saying. :dsunny: He is talking to us, disciples.

  Yes ,   Bro ,all students  of the Word of God by the SPIRIT OF TRUTH   IT sure was in   the Lord Jesus Christ, right ? the ONE  whom  was , is and will always be .
  come to Christ and sit at His feet



  Matt 11 27"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;

nor does anyone know the Father except the Son,

and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him
.


28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS :flowerred:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 20, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
Thank you rosered for post #9..........I have not gotten there yet.   Matthew is something I never had much interest in.........I've always been a John type of guy. 

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Posted by: micah7:9
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Mat 5:1  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Not speaking to the multitudes. Just saying. :dsunny: He is talking to us, disciples.

Thanks, I never noticed that.  I always thought it was the sermon on the mount to the multitude.............  :dsunny:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: joeteekay on October 20, 2014, 04:22:22 PM
Yes the sermon on the mount was for the disciples and for the ELECT.

Mat_13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

:banana:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 20, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: rosered on October 20, 2014, 03:49:18 PM


  Matt 11 27"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;

nor does anyone know the Father except the Son,

and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him
.


28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS :flowerred:

Very cool.

Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said , I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on October 20, 2014, 05:39:36 PM

  I love  what Bro M
  brought up  because the Lord does fulfill all righteousness to the T   very precise and perfect ,   

for me ,     THE  thing is the building of the foundation   and the walls
  was to be the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12/ disciples/students  to  apostles /ambassadors to represent    in Rev     21  ,22  and the increase of God  to the fullness  and end   being the   Holy City    as the new heavens and earth increase   in Spirit and truth  by God Himself

    Revelation 21:17-18




  those twelve were  like Bro Joe says  given to know    , just as are    now    as the growing is a daily thing      the Day of the Lord is the 1000  years to me  2 Peter 3 personally

Mat_13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.      Gods plan   is perfect /complete and entire lacking nothing    :flowerred:
     

  Eph  4 ...12for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;

13until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.




Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: dajomaco on October 20, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
I can see us grow in the knowledge of Gods Son.

It seems impossible to me that we would reach unity in faith.

What is impossible for man, is the starting point with God.
Jesus said that he personally would build up the body to be ONE.

  And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ, 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God's Son, growing into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ's fullness. 14 Then we will no longer be little children, tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching, by human cunning with cleverness in the techniques of deceit. 15 But speaking the truth in love, let us grow in every way into Him who is the head—Christ. 16 From Him the whole body, fitted and knit together by every supporting ligament, promotes the growth of the body for building up itself in love by the proper working of each individual part.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: dajomaco on October 20, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Quote from: ed on October 20, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: rosered on October 20, 2014, 03:49:18 PM


  Matt 11 27"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;

nor does anyone know the Father except the Son,

and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him
.


28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS :flowerred:

Very cool.

Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said , I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Is now the times of Babes growing?
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: dajomaco on October 20, 2014, 11:16:50 PM

Mark 10 23
Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, "How hard it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!"  24 But the disciples were astonished at His words. Again Jesus said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."

26 So they were even more astonished, saying to one another, "Then who can be saved?"

27 Looking at them, Jesus said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God, because all things are possible with God."
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: dajomaco on October 20, 2014, 11:24:26 PM
The unity of the faith is so far away.
Yet we are told to get there we must rest our souls .
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: joeteekay on October 20, 2014, 11:52:25 PM
Growth into the fullness of Christ is a process. First as babes in Christ and feeding on milk, then growing unto perfection. Can we ever be truly unified while in the flesh?

1Co_3:2  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb_5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Eph_4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on October 21, 2014, 12:07:00 AM
Quote from: dajomaco on October 20, 2014, 11:24:26 PM
The unity of the faith is so far away.
Yet we are told to get there we must rest our souls .
:thumbsup:


QuoteGrowth into the fullness of Christ is a process. First as babes in Christ and feeding on milk, then growing unto perfection. Can we ever be truly unified while in the flesh?

1Co_3:2  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb_5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Eph_4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: dajomaco on October 21, 2014, 12:10:11 AM
There is only one doctrine that unifies the body
and that is the doctrine of the crucified Christ.

There is only one way into the kingdom of God
and that is  through the crucified son of God.

Jesus cried out to the Father before the crucifixion.

There is no other way than the Son submitting to the Father.

But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners,
Christ died for us!

Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Seth on October 21, 2014, 01:10:58 AM
Quote from: joeteekay on October 20, 2014, 11:52:25 PM
Growth into the fullness of Christ is a process. First as babes in Christ and feeding on milk, then growing unto perfection. Can we ever be truly unified while in the flesh?

1Co_3:2  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb_5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Eph_4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

:thumbsup: :dsunny:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on October 21, 2014, 01:52:47 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 20, 2014, 04:54:16 AM

Three posts to say one thing. Condense. :dsunny: :Peace2:

Well, they really didn't all say the same thing, but anyway it's hard to "condense" when you're spaced out.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 22, 2014, 03:51:33 AM
Quote from: dajomaco on October 20, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said , I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.


Is now the times of Babes growing?

There are so many ways to grow.  We grow in faith, grace, knowledge, love, understanding.................

We grow in the heavenly.  I think that as the body of Christ concentrates on the knowledge and doctrine it becomes carnal........earthly.  The body of Christ seems fragmented, in the carnal.

In the heavenly the Body of Christ is united in the person of Jesus Christ. 

"Growing up into Him" who is the truth, He always brings us to the place of love, which covers the multitude of our shortcomings.

Ephesians 4
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: eaglesway on October 22, 2014, 07:43:42 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on October 23, 2014, 10:41:13 PM
Matthew 6
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt , and where thieves break through and steal : 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt , and where thieves do not break through nor steal : 21 For where your treasure is , there will your heart be also. 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on November 10, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
Matthew 27
40 And saying , Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

This was during His Crucifixion.  They remembered what he said.  Not just concerning heaven and earth, but concerning the temple.

then right before His assention:

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying , All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Is it not clear that heaven and earth were destroyed and replaced?



Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on November 10, 2014, 11:41:29 PM
...not to me, brother. I think he was talking about the temple of his body dying and then being brought back to life.
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: eaglesway on November 11, 2014, 08:25:24 AM
Yup
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on November 13, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: Tom on November 10, 2014, 11:41:29 PM
...not to me, brother. I think he was talking about the temple of his body dying and then being brought back to life.

Of course it is.  Something died(the old) and something came back to life(the new).

When Jesus arose he was not the same flesh man that died was he?

Did not heaven and earth change the day Jesus arose from the dead?

Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: Tom on November 13, 2014, 02:40:21 PM
I understand what you're saying, but I think saying something was "destroyed" is different than saying it was "changed."
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on November 13, 2014, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: ed on November 13, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: Tom on November 10, 2014, 11:41:29 PM
...not to me, brother. I think he was talking about the temple of his body dying and then being brought back to life.

Of course it is.  Something died(the old) and something came back to life(the new).

When Jesus arose he was not the same flesh man that died was he?

Did not heaven and earth change the day Jesus arose from the dead?

  I  to believe   it was  the seed of promise   God  said    the WORD    be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth   , would be from His  one of  a  kind  Son  and

renewing of the Holy Spirit    the washing away the filth of the flesh   , no flesh pleases God so it would be spiritual sons and  daughters  born again of the Holy

Spirit just as Christ was  ,   born of a virgin    ,   Paul said I am  making you chaste virgins   for Christ seed to be  planted in your minds/ hearts   and the HOLY

Spirit conception /union   , I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh       ,   the new  one of a kind  would multiply  in the earth   would come though the death of   one
seed
Christ and new Life would begin a  new   Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven



Titus 3 :5      4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,

5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness,

but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: rosered on November 13, 2014, 04:30:33 PM
 

  Hi ed ,

Best way to me to see this is the false image of  corruptible man/ Beast  in Daniel 7 is seen  in Rev 14

Knowing the Babylon is falling    and its first done in you and others too  , this is what the Cross  of Jesus Christ come to destroy    and make an end of it forever
  and  Build the earth a new and   glorious Kingdom   of Spirit and truth     


14  8And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality."

9Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
  same as Daniels head of gold and arms of silver and belly of bronze and   thighs and feet of Iron mixed with clay    ,    this promise to destroy  it and scatter it  , was by the same rock Jesus   to fill the earth     
  the Babylon Image        the idols    gold silver bronze and iron  of Babylon Daniel 7   I see this as the wisdom of mans ideas   and vain imaginations   and building  of truth and righteousness and  judgment and strength    all the crumble     and   be dust   in the wind     

  so will the true Image of Christ the incorruptible man   be seen in the earth  , rebuilding the true temple of the Living God comes all though Christ this one of a kind seed   , they grow in truth and grace     


   we will worship     the Father in Spirit of   Holiness   and truth /seed  word of God  only !



Dan 2:34-35
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Daniel referred to Christ as a "stone cut without hands" that becomes a mountain. It is Christ's kingdom  in the earth .
   By the righteousness of Jesus Christ only , its that little seed of faith that must grow , that old mountain has to go   , be removed and out of the way

   the    Lord Jesus Christ is fulfilling the old testament to the T !     every jot and tittle       , this is why we need so  desperately       the same Spirit of prophecy and testimony of Jesus Christ    they are One and the same   Witness

  in heaven and earth
Title: Re: Heaven and earth
Post by: ed on November 13, 2014, 05:30:17 PM
Very nice rosered,

We are kindred on what is fulfilled and what it means.

I like that part of about the "old mountain".

:)

ed