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Besides being DISGUSTING, what is the point?
Quotewhat is the point?
History repeats?
Although I must admit, children signing their names to bombs is about as low as it gets.
:cloud9: I agree. And, IMO; Germany kept people IN, or transported people in, so they could kill them. Israel is trying to keep people OUT, who are trying to kill THEM. War itself is DISGUSTING in any form, and NONE of the nations of the earth are exempt from bloodguiltiness. :sigh:
Perhaps a warning of the graphic nature of the photos would be appropriate for posts of this type.
Some people find photos of this sort offensive and when sprung on someone without warning — it is ABUSIVE.
Quote from: Cardinal on October 25, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
:cloud9: I agree. And, IMO; Germany kept people IN, or transported people in, so they could kill them. Israel is trying to keep people OUT, who are trying to kill THEM. War itself is DISGUSTING in any form, and NONE of the nations of the earth are exempt from bloodguiltiness. :sigh:
Are you making an excuse for their actions? Is there any excuse that would work? Or are you saying they are just like anybody else, they are no longer God's chosen people?
They also won't let any Jew IN who believes in Christ. It is a question they ask of Jews wishing to immigrate--do you believe in Jesus?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on October 25, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
Perhaps a warning of the graphic nature of the photos would be appropriate for posts of this type.
Some people find photos of this sort offensive and when sprung on someone without warning — it is ABUSIVE.
BS,
Did it
really come as a suprise?
I can't even remember when I saw a none war related picture of Israel. And Germany 1940 does immediate make me think of that maniac and his works of evil.
Yes, WW, it did.
I do not intentionally lie and mislead.
Quote from: Molly on October 25, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on October 25, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
:cloud9: I agree. And, IMO; Germany kept people IN, or transported people in, so they could kill them. Israel is trying to keep people OUT, who are trying to kill THEM. War itself is DISGUSTING in any form, and NONE of the nations of the earth are exempt from bloodguiltiness. :sigh:
Are you making an excuse for their actions? Is there any excuse that would work? Or are you saying they are just like anybody else, they are no longer God's chosen people?
They also won't let any Jew IN who believes in Christ. It is a question they ask of Jews wishing to immigrate--do you believe in Jesus?
:cloud9: No, I'm not making an excuse for their actions, which is why I said war in any form is disgusting. But neither is it fair to compare someone who is trying to defend their borders from WITHOUT, to someone who went on a worldwide offensive to make their homeland nothing but a highly efficient killing machine.
The Germans transported Jews, the infirm, mentally handicapped, gypsies, homosexuals, Catholics, and others IN, for the express purpose of killing them, which was not a WAR in the first place, but a well planned genocide, that became a war when enough people finally had their toes stepped on.
And under the new covenant, the Jews are in the outer court realm, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, UNTIL they believe and are baptized in the HG, same as ALL creation men that are under the firmament, which that baptism represents.
They do have a continuing promise from God that He will not forget to bring them in, which we discovered via UR, included ALL under heaven, and which is why it says salvation is of the Jews. This is the REAL ROOT of UR, because He could not leave them "out there" and not bring the others "in" too, else He would be a respecter of persons.
ALL that are "out there" are as the "prodigal son". My :2c: Blessings....
I am German and I can not agree with that collection.
I can't imagine that the Israelis do, what my "ancestors" did.
The wall of partition has been rent aussunder, in Christ there is niether Jew nor gentile,,we have been made joint hiers to the promises. It does appear that the wall of seperation between Jew and Gentile is still there for those that continue to serve in the oldness of the flesh and not in the newness of spirit.
Many times it has apeared to me that wars between the Nations, the races, the flesh and religion is because the natural man wars against the spiritual man, the flesh wars against the spirit.
Jesus himself while walking in this world had no where in this world a place to lay his head in rest" the rest we have in Christ from all the sin, disease, wars and corruption, the rest from all of this is in him alone who is within us it is not of this world to provide that rest. That is most clear here, that he who is within us is greater than he who is in the world. Jesus also said more than once that he had found more faith OUTSIDE of Israel than he had found in all of Israel! He came for the lost house of Israel and until that is fully revealed by the spirit to the Jews they
cotinue in the flesh and the religion that is now divided into various disagreeing sometimes contentious camps of Judaism
just like the Christian religion has done with all of the disagreeing denominations, cults and religious/political propaganda.
A Jew who has been moved by the spirit into Christ that is within him and bears witness to the HS being sent upon all men is labeled as a "Christian" by the Israelie Government and is no longer considered a Jew and since Israel wants to keep this wall of seperation around Israel so that Israel is exclusively for Jews only (which by the way since they are expansionists seeking more land has never defined their borders)
then former Jews weather they converted later in life to Islam or christianity are not welcomed to become citizens of todays Israel because they are no longer considered as being a "Jew"
The Arabs weather Christian, Islamic or Jewish ( which their are a few) who are citizens of Israel have about as much say as the African Americans did in the old South of the US under the "Jim crow" laws" and any friendships that developed that were mix raced had to be carried out in hiding,
even so many of those mixed race friendships were not shallow and so prevailed even at that time so proving that love works no evil.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Quote from: Cardinal on October 25, 2009, 05:14:40 PM
:cloud9:
And under the new covenant, the Jews are in the outer court realm, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, UNTIL they believe and are baptized in the HG, same as ALL creation men that are under the firmament, which that baptism represents.
They do have a continuing promise from God that He will not forget to bring them in, which we discovered via UR, included ALL under heaven, and which is why it says salvation is of the Jews. This is the REAL ROOT of UR, because He could not leave them "out there" and not bring the others "in" too, else He would be a respecter of persons.
ALL that are "out there" are as the "prodigal son". My :2c: Blessings....
:goodpost: I don't believe it's all either/or. God's plan is big. "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." Romans 11:25,26
A Zionist mindset and worldview will carry you into many spiritual snares.
:2c:
Anne
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on October 26, 2009, 06:02:06 AM
A Zionist mindset and worldview will carry you into many spiritual snares.
:2c:
Anne
Only if you are one. :2c:
Zionists are real, Anne. They are real people with real ideas, their movement has a beginning at the end of the 19th Century, and it culminated in the creation of a state which required a lot of people to be expelled from the land of their fathers.
Is that not history? Would you like me to bring in the history from wikipedia?
It's very interesting to listen to the old rabbis, the ones who survived the holocaust, tell the real story of the Zionists, and how they fought them until their last breath. Are they lying? They say that the Jews are not allowed to return until God allows it, not man.
this weekend I had the priviledge to be introduced to three very brave people...from israel
two 18 year old girls and 1 boy who are refusing to do compulsary military service...they came to my country to speak to their people, but their message has fallen on many deaf ears...
one of the girls have been imprisoned twice and badly beaten by her own people (and I DID say she's only 18 years old)...for being "anti-israel" and all that...BUT, she claims she is very much PRO Israel...she'd like to see a state of all inclusiveness as she realizes that the gun will NEVER bring peace to her people or the world...
the three of them participates in a movement which are very similar to a movement we were involved in against our apartheid regime...the "end conscription campaign"...they claim that the youth of israel are waking up to the realities of what their government is doing...especially after the last Gaza massacre that took place
davids in a land of goliaths...God bless the little children :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on October 26, 2009, 06:02:06 AM
A Zionist mindset and worldview will carry you into many spiritual snares.
:2c:
Anne
I have NEVER before very recently been interested in this subject.
However, the Lord has carried me thru some very divisive views
concerning Jews and Gentiles, seems like it has "always" brought
division. But the REASON that God has carried me there, is
very personal, even for the sake of PEACE and UNITY between myself
and an old friend......but I would not recommend "anyone" who is
not already taught in the Word to go into all this, for what I have
learned is that the Messanic Jews, as well as the Jews in Jerusalem
still yet in Judiasim are all as "divided in their own views" as
Christians are........there "are" some interesting viewpoints, but
who knows which to read unless you have God leading you?
Paul did say, being a Jew himself, that "he became a Jew unto the
Jew." Now isn't "that" a funny .......became what he used to be...
so that he might win some........Love is the answer, and Love is
the ONLY thing that will bring about the full Mystery of Christ,
til then, God has reserved to know all this Himself in the richness
of His wisdom.......and who has known the mind of the Lord?
:cloud9: Amen RLV......Blessings.....
if there are any ideas floating around here thinking that Israel have a Biblical right to treat the Palestinians any which way they want to, here a newsflash from Yahweh:
Lev. 19:33, 34,
(33) When a foreigner resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. (34) The foreigner who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.
(and to top it all, it is the Jews who came to take the land of the Palestinians, not the other way around)
if there are any out there who are unsure whether or not there are two covenants for two different peoples i.e. Jew and Gentile and that these two groups would receive salvation differently, here another newsflash from the receiver of the old covenant (Moses):
Deut. 30:6,
"Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, in order that you may live."
see, even Moses knew way back then that the old covenant for the Israelites would be changed to a new covenant...where no longer circumcision would be the sign of the covenant with God but circumcision of the heart as brought to us by the son of God.
It's disgusting, but most fundamentalist Christians still pledge more allegiance to Israel than their own. In fact, many still think that God only blesses the United States for one reason: allegiance to Israel. Nothing could be further from the truth, in my opinion. Israel has become little more than a police state. We frown on the like memories of the Soviet Union yet celebrate when Israel ransacks Gaza and bulldozes Palestinian homes with little regard for human life. I think there's a double standard here.
Quote from: Akira Takahashi on November 03, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
It's disgusting, but most fundamentalist Christians still pledge more allegiance to Israel than their own. In fact, many still think that God only blesses the United States for one reason: allegiance to Israel. Nothing could be further from the truth, in my opinion. Israel has become little more than a police state. We frown on the like memories of the Soviet Union yet celebrate when Israel ransacks Gaza and bulldozes Palestinian homes with little regard for human life. I think there's a double standard here.
I'm
not saying Israel is without blame. But I wonder how long it would survive if it took the path of peace and dumped all their militairy stuff in the ocean. I'm no big fan of the military but I can say if half of the countries on earth disarm themselfs shortly thereafter those countries are invaded by others. That's history. I see no signs things have changed.
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 03, 2009, 03:14:49 PM
Quote from: Akira Takahashi on November 03, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
It's disgusting, but most fundamentalist Christians still pledge more allegiance to Israel than their own. In fact, many still think that God only blesses the United States for one reason: allegiance to Israel. Nothing could be further from the truth, in my opinion. Israel has become little more than a police state. We frown on the like memories of the Soviet Union yet celebrate when Israel ransacks Gaza and bulldozes Palestinian homes with little regard for human life. I think there's a double standard here.
I'm not saying Israel is without blame. But I wonder how long it would survive if it took the path of peace and dumped all their militairy stuff in the ocean. I'm no big fan of the military but I can say if half of the countries on earth disarm themselfs shortly thereafter those countries are invaded by others. That's history. I see no signs things have changed.
That's why they were supposed to wait for God to do it, not man.
to make matters even worse...the same judgement that will befall the israeli state will befall america...denying the goldstone report and still propping up the killers with bombs and guns from the usa...do you think God is blind people?
do you not believe your own master when He said that all men will be judged according to their deeds?
you think you gonna get a heavenly ticket supporting murderers? think again...
war is a hate crime!
Quote from: noname on November 08, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
to make matters even worse...the same judgement that will befall the israeli state will befall america...denying the goldstone report and still propping up the killers with bombs and guns from the usa...do you think God is blind people?
do you not believe your own master when He said that all men will be judged according to their deeds?
you think you gonna get a heavenly ticket supporting murderers? think again...
war is a hate crime!
I found Israels fate by the prophet Ezekiel My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret [place]: for the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it.
Eze 7:23 ¶ Make a chain: for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence.
Eze 7:24 Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong to cease; and their holy places shall be defiled.
Eze 7:25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and [there shall be] none.
Eze 7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.
Eze 7:27 The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do unto them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
I know that there is more to their End and God will restore it to Himself
thats my only comfort in this part of prophecy
:HeartThrob: rose