I've always called myself a liberal Christian but have been labeled a "Universalist". After being suspended from a certain Christian discussion board...just this morning. I decided to use the time to look into Universalists. What I read here at this site is almost "word for word" things I, myself, have said...much of which were included in the very posts that got me suspended. I didn't know how much I agreed with a universalistic approach to Christianity, but, apparently, I do.
I have been very edified reading the articles given here at this site and am extremely comforted knowing that other's have been given the same Spiritual understanding. There are a handful of other's from the site I was just suspended from that also share in this same Spiritual understanding. Recently, there was a type of explosion when myself and other's, I think, became too bold/too deep. I was amazed at the judgmentalism and condemnation of what we were saying. And, then, I found out...the hard way....that universalism....or anything that even hints of universalism was banned!
I didn't know I was a universalistic person until I was banned for being one! And I'm still leary of labeling myself as a "universalist" but I do know that I agree with this site's beliefs thus far!
I am excited to talk with other's who SEE :thumbsup:
:welcome:
Welcome my friend, and after reading of your experience I posted a message sharing one of my many experiences of being banned from a forum. I think you might enjoy it.
http://tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=17.15
Jack
Thank you, Floyd and Hennessey for your warm welcomes! :icon_biggrin:
:eek: Another heretic!!!!
We'd better pray :grouppray:
After all we've done to keep people walking the straight and narrow :teaching:
Some are still finding the truth anyway!!!! :help:
The world must be coming to an end :clock:
AntiChrist must be coming to power!! :icon_farao:
They're finding the truth anyway!!!!! :hammerhead:
What are we going to do???? :omg:
Maybe I should start with a :welcome:
:Urock: :first:
:Peace:
Thanks, Martincisneros.... :cloud9:
Can I call you Martin?...er no?
Yes, that's okay. It's "Martin."
I'm in a cheesy mood right now. :icon_jokercolor:
Okay...Martin...much easier to spell... :winkgrin:
Why so chessy? I, myself, am feelin anxious...I wanna know if there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth here too?
I guess I hafta find the real hot threads here and make some posts!!! :happygrin:
Hi Jul
:welcome:
Weird to think there are others in the world like you eh? Dirty rotten sinners, heretic :Oops: :LH:
Martin already covered that :mblush:
Well you can see here we have smilies with a sense of humor, almost like being born-again eh?
Meet hell :grave:
Aah what the heck, let me pull this out 4 U
(http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/Themes/default/images/welcome_mat.jpg)
BIC
Quote from: julzabro2 on August 14, 2007, 10:46:16 PM
Okay...Martin...much easier to spell... :winkgrin:
Why so chessy? I, myself, am feelin anxious...I wanna know if there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth here too?
I guess I hafta find the real hot threads here and make some posts!!! :happygrin:
I don't know. I've just had a growing euphoria for a few months now.
I think that the tendency is to only throw out absolute jerks
1. Other than that, the only reason you wouldn't be back is if you got busy, tired, or bored with the present company at the board.
As with any other board that gets a fair amount of traffic, if you ever got bored, just disappear for nearly a month and it'll be 33.3% newbies when you get back in 3 or 4 weeks or so.
If they haven't thrown me out, I don't think you're going to have anything to worry about.
The boards recently went through the battle of Armageddon with technical problems, so you're liable to meet a couple hundred new/old
2 folks in another two or three months with people that left when this ship was sinking that don't yet know that everything's back up on better servers than previously.
1 Though I'd previously said that only absolute jerks get banned, I do remember [and need to correct myself about that] that there was one time when things just got a little heated and some folks were only on a 30 day suspension from the boards here. But as I was intending to say earlier, getting booted altogether from these boards is very rare and hopefully won't happen ever again.
2 Wasn't talking about anybody's age. Just wanted to be brief about the board being around for a while and now we're waiting on many prodigal sons/daughters to come home since we were
left behind by them. :icon_jokercolor:
Thank you, SeekerSA....it's great to know that there are other heretics besides myself... :icon_jokercolor:
Only what will we debate about?
And, thank you, Martin for that run down. I was curious as to the flow of things here! As I said in the post I left in the thread Hennessey directed me to...I believe more will be coming here from the site I got booted from. Truthfully, I was only suspended but when I found out that the reason for them banning universalism was because they felt that universlaists are always harsh, rude and/or harming possible new believers....I couldn't believe the hypocrasy!!! Now, mind you, at this point I still didn't even know that I was a Universalist or universalistic (is that a word?). I only had a vague idea of what a Universalist was but considering the rudeness, name calling, condescension and judgmentalism from other "Christians" at this site AS WELL AS Atheists....I couldn't believe that Universalists, even those who "hinted" at being, one were the one's getting banned!!!! They actually said even if you "hint" at being a Universalist...?!?! :mshock:
Anyways, enough of my cryin! I'm edified by all of you here. I thank God for all of you! :bgdance:
Hey Julzabros. :welcome:
Funny post Martin, Stay away from those mushrooms in the yard!
Hey Julz, welcome to the Tentmaker fold. Just a bunch of truth seekers doing our best to understand. Sounds like you will fit right in.
John
But I need 'em for my pizza!! And my soup!!! And my sandwiches!!!!!
(Just kidding)
I wish this could be bottled for any dry seasons when the Holy Spirit's not quite as tangibly Present for me.
Quote from: Kratos on August 15, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
Hey Julz, welcome to the Tentmaker fold. Just a bunch of truth seekers doing our best to understand. Sounds like you will fit right in.
John
But what if you already understand. :cloud9:
Quote from: Craig on August 15, 2007, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Kratos on August 15, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
Hey Julz, welcome to the Tentmaker fold. Just a bunch of truth seekers doing our best to understand. Sounds like you will fit right in.
John
But what if you already understand. :cloud9:
Then get ready for the Father to prove to you that you don't. :eeew:
Quote from: Kratos on August 15, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Craig on August 15, 2007, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Kratos on August 15, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
Hey Julz, welcome to the Tentmaker fold. Just a bunch of truth seekers doing our best to understand. Sounds like you will fit right in.
John
But what if you already understand. :cloud9:
Then get ready for the Father to prove to you that you don't. :eeew:
huh?
This is the point where I usually stay out of it, but the Holy Spirit said to chase this one to town, so okay :happy3:
It's not pride to believe that you've come into the understanding that the Lord would have you to have about all things. Just means you've embraced your destiny; are crucified and risen with Christ; are committed to the commandment of love; are complete in Christ; and have your mind set on things above, where Christ is seated; that you're no longer a stranger to the CovenantS of promise, but have put off the old man and have put on the new man; that you're no longer tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of strife; that you're walking conformed to the image of His Son, and are of full age, who by reason of use have their [5 physical] senses exercised to discern between good and evil.
As He is, so am I already in this world. And yes, I do tread softly in my standing, lest I fall, according to 1Corinthians 10; but in the Name of Jesus, I always take the way of escape from every common temptation; I'm not ignorant of Satan's devises, and I rejoice that God's made all grace to abound towards me so that every messenger of Satan is cast out with my faith in the Word, the Name, and the Blood, and I'm exalted above measure regardless, because I've humbled myself under the mighty hand of God and am rejoicing in my due time having arrived. Thank God! I've been delivered from all of these afflictions!! :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9:
Good post Martin
I witness with ministering to on this topic as this thread has moved focus somewhat.
This is the reason I have moved it here.
Blessings :icon_king:
Sorry about talking about my banning in the welcome thread....duhhhh.... :mblush:
Thank you Pierac and John for the warm welcomes! I am glad to be here! :bigGrin:
I agree with you, Martin, about understanding....if we understand Him it is in THAT that we boast.
Jer 9:24 But let him who glories glory in this,
That he understands and knows Me,
That I am the LORD, exercising lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth.
For in these I delight," says the LORD.
Welcome Julz :bigGrin:
SeekerRuth
Thank you, SeekerRuth! I am happy to be here! :happy3:
Quote from: julzabro2 on August 14, 2007, 06:25:25 PM
Welcome into the club of the Booted From Ignorant "Christian's" Message Boards of the World.
Consider it an honor.
The apostle Paul would not last but a day on any of them also.
I also don't like the tag "Universalist" but would rather have a tag "believer." Most "Christians" today are what I call paganized. In fact, I'd go so far as call them pagans. Not all, of course, but the majority are pagans.
Christianity worships a god based upon faulty translations i.e. one who eternally tortures humans. It worships the self as well since they made all the right decisions and it is they who can make their god do what they want him to do. So they deify themselves and deify their god.
It is best that God took you out of their environment of doctrines of demons anyway, right?
Tony
Quote from: Tony N on August 15, 2007, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: julzabro2 on August 14, 2007, 06:25:25 PM
Welcome into the club of the Booted From Ignorant "Christian's" Message Boards of the World.
Consider it an honor.
The apostle Paul would not last but a day on any of them also.
I also don't like the tag "Universalist" but would rather have a tag "believer." Most "Christians" today are what I call paganized. In fact, I'd go so far as call them pagans. Not all, of course, but the majority are pagans.
Christianity worships a god based upon faulty translations i.e. one who eternally tortures humans. It worships the self as well since they made all the right decisions and it is they who can make their god do what they want him to do. So they deify themselves and deify their god.
It is best that God took you out of their environment of doctrines of demons anyway, right?
Tony
I agree whole heartedly :HeartThrob:
Amen!
Quote from: martincisneros on August 15, 2007, 11:37:23 AM
It's not pride to believe that you've come into the understanding that the Lord would have you to have about all things. Just means you've embraced your destiny; are crucified and risen with Christ; are committed to the commandment of love; are complete in Christ; and have your mind set on things above, where Christ is seated; that you're no longer a stranger to the CovenantS of promise, but have put off the old man and have put on the new man; that you're no longer tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of strife; that you're walking conformed to the image of His Son, and are of full age, who by reason of use have their [5 physical] senses exercised to discern between good and evil.
Hi Martin.
Amen.
Taffy
Welcome to the road of :grin: ragtag sojourners on our way to the heavenly city. We are all on the journey, none of us has arrived yet. If you fall down we will pick you up. If you cry we will cry with you. If you hurt or are suffering we will hurt and suffer with you. At least that is what has happened to me. And, I hope I have helped others in their pain and suffering too. :grin:
Hello Julz! Welcome to the board. I hope you like it here.
Thanks for that, Shibb and Red.... :HeartThrob:
...and have understood for a long time that you really understand? "Who ever is wise is wise for himself alone." is (approximately) what the Proverb says. So many are so used to not knowing they think it's arrogance to know. Many times in 1st John it says, "We know..." Yes, that should be balanced with, "If any thinks he knows something, he doesn't know anything yet like he ought to know it." (1 Cor) But wisdom is still the princible thing. Experience The Spirit the Father is sending in Jesus name as WISDOM!!!
I've been banned from a board's inner sanctum back in 2004 :)
So, I understand!
I don't think of myself as a Universalist.
Maybe I need to read the material here and find out...
Have a nice day! :)
Roland
I found out after being banned. That for the 10 years some of those on the board knew me, they all thought I was a universalist from the beginning. That means 10 years before I was believed Jesus was going to save all, people thought I believed Jesus saved all. They explained that my doctrines left for no other option, when I spoke them later, and they were just biding their time to 'correct' me of this error that would one day occur.
Julz, was the forum from which you were banned happened to be called "Last Stop Hell?" The administration there is a bit ban-happy sometimes. I used to post there. Not much in the way of spiritual water for me over there. I've also given up on trying to make the Fundies over there see how their ideology (Hellfire Fundamentalism and everything that goes with it) harms people.
Redkora,
No, it was called CARM....but was similar to the site you described....fulll of fundies. It's funny how their reason for banning UR's was that they think UR's (or this one in particular) are too harsh and that they keep people from coming into the Body of Christ yet they refuse to look at the behavior of other's....like Atheists or even fellow Christians (ESPECIALLY the fundies). As far as, rude behavior there is no group that is ruder, more judgmental and condescending then fundamental Christians.
They started calling me a UR and I didn't know (in detail) what that meant so when I got banned and found out that CARM and someone from THIS site had had an argument leading to the banning of UR's....I had to come here! :grin:
Hey Julz
You and Shibboleth should team up, I sense the same spirit in both of you.
Blessings
while i beleive in salvation of all i dont like the term "universalist"
for one it is very misunderstood in mainstream and also confused with
unitarianism.
also people think universalism teaches all men saved because God is nice.
and there is no ""judgment""
anyway, i have come to desest all labels.
once a label is put inplace that is the perspective you will read and be read from.
God bless ya julzy!!!
euty/chuckt
Hey Julz
carm banned all ur folks years ago and accused them of the ones that are so mean spirited while they gave as good as they got and truthfully there were a couple of folks in the ur group that were mean spirited, so what, their camp had more than a few in it. Truth be told I really think ur is the one thing they cant satisfactorily answer against without getting cornered.
That is where I got much of my early teachings from on ur from wonderful brothers like Finelinen when he posted there I gobbeled up his posts and they probably were afraid folks like him that were really wonderful and sharing strong unrefutable meat in their posts without the mean spirit behind them, they were afraid of them imo that they could steer folks into what they believe is heresy.
anyhoo glad you are here
kept
Yep.
Again...great to c u, Chuckt (Euty) :winkgrin:
I believe it probably did happen that way at CARM. When I saw the nasty comments from the supposed rude UR displayed on the CARM site yet none of HIS comments....I wondered....well, what did HE say to instigate that....or why not post what HE said ALSO....?
And, regardless of that, certain fundamental/conservative Christians have a bad name too...for the same reasons. And it has been my experience that their way worse. And a debate is a debate.....right? Yes, it should remain respectful but just because it gets outta hand with one UR, you ban them all while Atheist and other Christian types can say whatever they want???? AND you ban people who don't even know their UR but because they, simply, sound like a UR....you toss em????? A little extreme, I'd say.
Quote from: martincisneros on August 14, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
:eek: Another heretic!!!!
We'd better pray :grouppray:
After all we've done to keep people walking the straight and narrow :teaching:
Some are still finding the truth anyway!!!! :help:
The world must be coming to an end :clock:
AntiChrist must be coming to power!! :icon_farao:
They're finding the truth anyway!!!!! :hammerhead:
What are we going to do???? :omg:
Maybe I should start with a :welcome:
:Urock: :first:
:Peace:
I have been awarded the "Heritics T-Shirt" :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo: :mrflo:
Quote from: Kratos on August 15, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Craig on August 15, 2007, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Kratos on August 15, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
Hey Julz, welcome to the Tentmaker fold. Just a bunch of truth seekers doing our best to understand. Sounds like you will fit right in.
John
But what if you already understand. :cloud9:
Then get ready for the Father to prove to you that you don't. :eeew:
If you think you are unable to understand a gospel Jesus said come from the mouth of children, I think you are way too complicating it. :) If you don't think you will ever understand the truth, then it is fruitless to persue it.
Since we know that we are to persue it, when we know it is simple, then yes, some can already understand. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, and the knowledge of the Truth will be revealed in due time. Any who trust in the Lord, will not be ashamed.