End times

[WhiteWings]

Maybe you like this totally new take on endtimes. Like how Solomon what a forshadow of the beast empire.
The beast is a massive AI.
Just read it and tell me which movie has quite a bit of similarities.
Can't say I fully agree. Perhaps because I'm missing something.

One example, Europe overcrowed so they drain the entire Mediterranean Sea.
That's drained in 10 years and then cities are build there.
First of all the tech to do all that isn't there yet. Not to speak about wars because it would 'steal' sea harbors of many countries.
If only draining the sea takes 10 years then how should the 7 trib years be understood.

BTW, trib is not for the saints. They live in sactuary cities like there were in OT times. They have very simple tech. Medical science is very outdated, but still all are healty because the gift of healing is massive in those cities.
But those that took the mark, are micromanaged to the extreme like slaves.

Want more? Read it!  :laugh: :banana:


https://www.gatewaysofhislight.com/20/22/end-times-vision/

[CHB]

Hi WhiteWings,

I have been watching You Tube some lately and there are a lot of videos on there about the rapture and Tribulation. Most think that at the end of the six thousand years, Jesus will return, which will be the year 2030. I watched this video and it does make sense that the six thousand years will be up in 2030. Some say that the rapture will be this month and some say it will be in September. I suppose they could be off a couple of years on the end of the six thousand years. The rapture, I don't know about, I don't even know if there will be a rapture. Well it is interesting to watch and we are suppose to do that.

What is your thoughts on this?

As far as the beast goes, if this hasn't already been fulfilled, AI could be the image of the beast which speaks  and causes people to receive a mark of some sort.

CHB   

[WhiteWings]

Gen 6:3 Then the LORD said, ?My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.?

Not much time now so I'll keep it short.
120 Jubilee years = 120x50=6000 years starting when Adam was kicked out of the garden at the age of 33.

So when the 6000 years end depends on when Adam was booted.

A day is like a 1000 years.
A week is 7 days = 7000 years.
6 days = 6000 for mankind
1 day = 1000 year = Christ's millenium rule

It also seems that the main events happen on Jubilies.
Christ's time was at the 4000 = 4 days = 80 jubilies
Don't remember which time in His life but I gues crucifixion.
Idea's on that year vary a bit. 30, 31 and 33 are the most common. Add 2000 years

But nobody knows the time or hour, not even the angels but only the Father. Mansions in heaven etc.
When a boy was betrothed he was often teased by asking if his bride dumped him because he wasn't married yet.
The boy said only my father knows because the boy had to build a bridal suite that passes his father's quality control. = mansion in heaven.
The boy had zero contact with his bride to be during that time. All contact went through his best man. Example girl asked for textile for a dress, told the best man who forwarded the request to the groom. HS is in that function now between you and Jesus.
That waiting period often was 1-2 years = 1000-2000 years

So 2030 could be.
But when using other ways of calculation I ended on 2016. Think it was Daniel's 70 weeks. While it obviously was wrong I still have no idea about what I did wrong.

And that is my main problem with predictions, they usually are based of one bit of proof, or one prophesy or verse. But every verse and prophesy should align.

[joeteekay]

Gen 6:3 Then the LORD said, ?My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.?

Not much time now so I'll keep it short.
120 Jubilee years = 120x50=6000 years starting when Adam was kicked out of the garden at the age of 33.

So when the 6000 years end depends on when Adam was booted.

A day is like a 1000 years.
A week is 7 days = 7000 years.
6 days = 6000 for mankind
1 day = 1000 year = Christ's millenium rule

It also seems that the main events happen on Jubilies.
Christ's time was at the 4000 = 4 days = 80 jubilies
Don't remember which time in His life but I gues crucifixion.
Idea's on that year vary a bit. 30, 31 and 33 are the most common. Add 2000 years

But nobody knows the time or hour, not even the angels but only the Father. Mansions in heaven etc.
When a boy was betrothed he was often teased by asking if his bride dumped him because he wasn't married yet.
The boy said only my father knows because the boy had to build a bridal suite that passes his father's quality control. = mansion in heaven.
The boy had zero contact with his bride to be during that time. All contact went through his best man. Example girl asked for textile for a dress, told the best man who forwarded the request to the groom. HS is in that function now between you and Jesus.
That waiting period often was 1-2 years = 1000-2000 years

So 2030 could be.
But when using other ways of calculation I ended on 2016. Think it was Daniel's 70 weeks. While it obviously was wrong I still have no idea about what I did wrong.

And that is my main problem with predictions, they usually are based of one bit of proof, or one prophesy or verse. But every verse and prophesy should align.

Thanks WhiteWings and CBH.

Yes, the earth was created in six days according to the scripture. Scripture tells us that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years verifying you comments WhiteWings.

2 Peter 3:8 (KJV) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Experts differ on the date and the year that Jesus actually was crucified. Good arguments exist on dates from 30 to 35 AD. If Jesus comes back to rule in the start of the Millennium, the 7th day, that would indicate that Jesus will come back to set up His kingdom between 2030-2035 AD.

The Church, the body of Christ would be resurrected and taken to heaven prior to this date. Scripture makes it clear that the Church goes to be with Christ prior to the Antichrist and prior to the book of Revelation judgments of God.

WhiteWings, you mention  main problem with predictions, they usually are based of one bit of proof, or one prophesy or verse. But every verse and prophesy should align.

Here is another analysis from a secular approach.

There is a secular predictor of world event cycles that has a great deal of credibility which coincides with the timing of Christ?s return. It is the "Economic Confidence Model" developed by Martin Armstrong, founder of Princton Economics and presently Armstrong Economics (www.armstrongeconomics.com).

He discovered cycles in the world economic system after researching international panics covering 1683 to 1907 and found there were 26 events within 224 years with a periodicity of 8.6153846... His latest model shows a major peak occurring in 2032 at which time the dominance of western democracies and the world economic order collapses. You can check this out in detail at his website.

Quote from his website: "We are rapidly approaching 2032, where there will be the real Great Reset. We can all now ?feel? 2032 coming. Our computer has made forecasts that no human being could have possibly made on such a consistent basis".

Enough for now.

[rosered]

 
Surly we can all agree the  AI is the imagery of the beast seat.

For the end times , I am convinced it is JESUS  HIMSELF whom has given us the Spirit of prophecy by  His  testimony /witness .

For me I do believe the two witnesses are Gods Word and Spirit that will work in everyone called according to His purpose and invited to the marriage supper of the lamb and will worship the TRUE AND LIVING GOD only  . .

Hebews 1

1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.

2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

3The Son is the radiance of God?s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.?

The Marriage of the Lamb  Rev 19 .
?9Then the angel told me to write, ?Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.? And he said to me, ?These are the true words of God.?

10So I fell at his feet to worship him. But he told me, ?Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!

For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.? 11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war.?

For me the part that makes good sense is that  the flesh part of everyone of  us will be done away in Christ and will become powerful beings  in a instant .
 
None have known this power before , just a quickening of the Spirit by His word that moves us now to listen and just breathe  , but when it happens  it will be glorious .
With such a force we cannot even imagine it now , just prepare  and wait on the Lord .

See to me the flesh has always been a heavy weight and burden to bear , I thank God we only experience this  for a very short time  70 years more or less is short, time is a preconceived concept  comparing it to something we cannot even fathom  with a worldly mindset .   but when putting on the Mind of Christ will be all mankind's saving grace .

God has been doing great things all along , but our  dark covering has been hiding it from our true sight and His glory  .

Fear of the unknown is what drives most crazy and without true hope.  as the anxiety causes many to fail the test .   Many times over we have to practice and overcome our fears .
  Fear the Lord  because He is coming and so full of Life we cannot begin to understand it all now  but is so worth putting forth the effort to overcome the world ..


25A truthful witness saves lives, but one who utters lies is deceitful. 26He who fears the LORD is secure in confidence, and his children shall have a place of refuge. 27The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.?

[darryl]

nobody knows the Time exactly

[jugghead]

It is my opinion that the Bible is a collection of physical examples in order for us to understand what takes place inside of us spiritually. Just ask the question: Why did God create all physical things?

My opinion of the end times is what happens to us spiritually, meaning that, all things came to a conclusion to understand that all will be saved.

For do we not live in peace in our understanding? Despite the fact that there is chaos in this physical world, are we not now like Christ in His words, "I am not of this world"?

Again, in my opinion, if we continue to interpret the Bible, specifically the end times as physical things, do we not continue to be in darkness; continue to be in a lack of understanding ?

If there is nothing new under the sun, why do we continue to believe there will be?

Again, this is just my opinion.

[rosered]

 
Amen
  the world is full of evil and traps and snares to entangle us .
But , God in His is Wisdom  grants  and  gives us  wisdom  by grace and without understanding  we can not use it .

It is through trial and error and lessons learned  do we get  understanding .  trusting in Him for everything is obedience. I always pray for Gods will to be done now in everything , I have learned though Jesus Christ  whom COME and kept His Fathers will perfectly how to even pray.

The Light has come and exposes our hearts and what is in it.  We do bear the corruptible image/darkness  as well as being born again the incorruptible image/Light  and the Wisdom along with understanding helps/teaches  us to know the difference .

[Ross]

IMO the end of the world is the beginning of a new one.
A lot cleaner and us in a new state of being.

[CHB]

nobody knows the Time exactly

Hi Darryl,

I know we don't know the day nor hour but the Bible does say we can know when it is near, even at the doors. (Matt. 24:33).

CHB

[joeteekay]

God created the heavens and the earth in seven days (Gen 2:2). Seven days is a prophetic week 7000 years.

Scripture reveals that since God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3), that God has a 6,000-year plan for man followed by a 1,000-year reign by Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:4).

Since the seventh day of the week symbolizes 1,000 years of peace under the rule of Jesus Christ, the first six days of the week represent 6,000 years in which man has been allowed to govern himself and work out his own ideas and plans.

Christ said that the time of His return is not known.

Nevertheless, we can deduce the approximate time of His return based on some scriptures.

The fourth day since Adam (4000 years) should have ended either when Jesus began His ministry or when He was cut-off around 33 AD.

Experts differ on the date and the year that Jesus actually was crucified. Good arguments exist on dates from 30 to 35 AD. If Jesus comes back to rule in the start of the Millenium, the 7th day, that would indicate that Jesus will come back to set up His kingdom between 2030-2035 AD.

Another clue is in Hosea 6:2:

Hos 6:2  After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

After 2000 years (two days) from the time of Christ in the flesh He will return to raise the loyal Jews and usher in the Millennium.

The Church, the body of Christ would be resurrected and taken to heaven prior to this event. Scripture makes it clear that the Church goes to be with Christ prior to the Antichrist and prior to the book of Revelation judgments of God.

[WhiteWings]

When you zoom in on those numbers you'll see Adam got kicked out of the garden at the same age Christ died.

[marie glen]

God created the heavens and the earth in seven days (Gen 2:2). Seven days is a prophetic week 7000 years.

Scripture reveals that since God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3), that God has a 6,000-year plan for man followed by a 1,000-year reign by Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:4).

Since the seventh day of the week symbolizes 1,000 years of peace under the rule of Jesus Christ, the first six days of the week represent 6,000 years in which man has been allowed to govern himself and work out his own ideas and plans.

Christ said that the time of His return is not known.

Nevertheless, we can deduce the approximate time of His return based on some scriptures.

The fourth day since Adam (4000 years) should have ended either when Jesus began His ministry or when He was cut-off around 33 AD.

Experts differ on the date and the year that Jesus actually was crucified. Good arguments exist on dates from 30 to 35 AD. If Jesus comes back to rule in the start of the Millenium, the 7th day, that would indicate that Jesus will come back to set up His kingdom between 2030-2035 AD.

Another clue is in Hosea 6:2:

Hos 6:2  After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

We are in total agreement! Except on the much disputed issue of the rapture-1st.resurrection

    SO excellent!! (imo) :gsmile:

[marie glen]

When you zoom in on those numbers you'll see Adam got kicked out of the garden at the same age Christ died.

:Chinscratch: How interesting!

[marie glen]

God created the heavens and the earth in seven days (Gen 2:2). Seven days is a prophetic week 7000 years.
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There?s also an interesting math problem (riddle) you might be interested in if you?ve not noticed it before - Dan.12:11-12 -Now whether we think verse 11 is the removal of a ?3rd temple? or of a holy place where there is ?perpetual sacrifices? of praise, etc.(A modern version, other than Jesus, of the Old Testament perpetual daily sacrifices - the morning(at 3rd hour) and the evening-(at ninth hour, the very hour Jesus died)..

Daniel 12: 11 And from the time that is taken away the perpetual (sacrifice) and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days.

We know the temple was desecrated twice.. When Antiochus Epiphanies sacrificed a pig to Jupiter, and in 70a.d. when the Roman Standardswere put upon the temple. Now what I wonder is pethaps the final prophesied ?end? time abomination that dedolates might not be upon the human temple meant for God?s Spirit/Presence..

Three and a half - Hebrew - years plus 30 days after the perpetual is removed (Lk.19:44?) then is ?set up? the final desolating abomination.. Blessed are those who wait and come to 45 days later?
?With the last ?ten days? escalating (Rev.2:10)..

[joeteekay]

The prophecies in the book of Daniel are a treasure trove of interesting events to occur, Presently studying the seventy heptads in Daniel. THE prophecies of Daniel are a necessary prelude to the apprehension of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which presents the sequence of events of all of Daniel's predictions.

[marie glen]

The prophecies in the book of Daniel are a treasure trove of interesting events to occur, Presently studying the seventy heptads in Daniel. THE prophecies of Daniel are a necessary prelude to the apprehension of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which presents the sequence of events of all of Daniel's predictions.

:thumbsup:

[joeteekay]

In the book of Daniel, in the mid-550s BC, we find that he receives a series of visions concerning the future.  All have passed into history except for one. In Daniel chapter nine the KJV titles this section as ?The Seventy Weeks?. In Daniels visions concerning the ?Seventy Weeks? we are told that a prophetic week is seven years. The prophetic week of seven years is called a heptad in some bible versions.

The emphasis is weeks of years instead of years. The principle for this comes from how to determine the Jubilee Year (Leviticus 25:8), where it was necessary to divide the years into seven weeks of years (7 x 7 = 49). Seventy weeks then, corresponds to 70 x 7, which equals 490!

Dan 9:24  (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

There are three progressions in the period of 490 years.  The first 7 prophetic weeks of 49 years concerned the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem from 458 BC to 409 BC.

The second lasted from 406 BC to 26 AD, 62 prophetic weeks of 434 years. So the first two prophetic weeks ran from the first prophetic 7 weeks to the second 62 prophetic weeks for a total of 69. One more prophetic week would give us a total of 70, equivalent of 490 years.

The last prophetic week of 7 days concerns the Messiah and the House of Israel.

Dan 9:26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Messiah will personally ?confirm the covenant for one week?. In AD 26, He began the personal instruction to His disciples, but was cut off after 3? years?in the middle of the week. He, therefore, did not finish the week. The indication from the remainder of this verse is that the final 3? years end at His Second Coming at the seventh trumpet.

[joeteekay]

https://ibb.co/rxc75gV  for the image

edited Dec 31 2023

[marie glen]

https://ibb.co/g4grT6J for the image

:Chinscratch: Until now I?ve thought it?s Messiah?s being cut off, that concluded the 62 weeks, mostly from ?and after the sixty two weeks the annointed one will be cut off? - but now I?m noticing how verse 25 says ?TO the annointed one? - So right now I?m confused about it, lol. Have to pray and think about it, study your image..
:Peace2:
  Interesting! Thanks!

[marie glen]

?I?ve been thinking that there would be 3.5 years of relative peace after a crises (an interruption in Rev.7:1,3) which catapults (finally) a global power into global authority (Rev.13:3 and Dan.7:7,19 with Dan.2:26-45 (the iron/bronze - roman/greek foundations of.)
   But now I?m wondering..
The Daniel verses I notice the most, though I know there was a fulfillment involving the Maccabbees and Antiochus Epiphanes, one of Alexander?s generals - are Daniel 12:11-12 - From the time that the perpetual sacrifices (of prayers, etc?) is taken away (oR place of? Lk.19:41,44?) and the abomination that makes desolate is set up (this time upon the human temple meant for God?s Spirit/Presence?) there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is whoever waits - aNd comes to - the 1,335 days. - Which is 45 days later?

So what the question is (I think) - is there a 3.5 years before the taking away from Israel the perpetual sacrifices? A in the middle of a seven year covenant..

Dan.9:27 - And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. - And - the people of the prince who is to come (of Rome) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Its end shall come with a flood (70A.D. I assume) and - to the end - there shall be war and desolations. 27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week. - Part of it depends on who - he - is. Is it the New Covenant of faith in and following Jesus? Which did stop sacrifices.. :dontknow: Have to chew on it, see if things click into place.

  (To understand the interruption of Rev.7:1,3 we have to inderstand how the seals of chapter 6 are described as their fuLL effects, at their first intro, veiling what they are?)

All conjecture and imo, of course.. :gsmile:

[joeteekay]

Marie,

Very good comments and insight. There is more to the "story". I need to review this and try to tie in Daniel's visions with events in the book of revelation.

I have revised my chart previously posted. Need to make some changes.

It is not a certainty that these sevens or heptads run on unbroken to their end, 490 prophetic weeks. It is clear IMO that, Messiah must be "cut off" after sixty-nine weeks. Then the city and sanctuary are destroyed. Then a league or covenant is entered into by the majority of Daniel's people which is to run seven years.

This is the seventieth "week". This is the period brought before us in the judgment era of Revelation. And does the 3 1/2 years of Christs latter ministry fit into some part of the 7 weeks of Revelation. Seven weeks is mentioned more than once in revelation.


Rev_12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev_12:14  And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Rev_11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.


:dsunny:

[marie glen]

Marie,

Very good comments and insight. There is more to the "story". I need to review this and try to tie in Daniel's visions with events in the book of revelation.

I have revised my chart previously posted. Need to make some changes.

It is not a certainty :thumbsup: :thumbsup: that these sevens or heptads run on unbroken to their end, 490 prophetic weeks. It is clear IMO that, Messiah must be "cut off" after sixty-nine weeks. Then the city and sanctuary are destroyed. Then a league or covenant is entered into by the majority of Daniel's people which is to run seven years.

:thumbsup:

This is the seventieth "week". This is the period brought before us in the judgment era of Revelation. And does the 3 1/2 years of Christs latter ministry fit into some part of the 7 weeks of Revelation. Seven weeks is mentioned more than once in revelation.


Rev_12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days

Rev_12:14  And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

I?ve been wondering if that might be basically 350 years - Rev.12 being a stand alone insert

Rev_11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.[/color]
:dsunny:

And I think these can ruin their enemies by the same sWord Jesus uses, that comes out of his mouth..