Each In His Own Order

[guest5685]

Hi Folks,
I've been mulling over the often mentioned "Each In His Own Order" as some have mentioned in various posts. I do realize that it does seem on the surface anyway that many people never seem to have that intense drawing  by the spirit to experience what we would call a salvation experience or an awakening. I also believe in UR but even at that I have a question and ask you all to share with me your understandings in this particular area since my mind seems to travel down a few rabbit holes trying to grasp an answer to the following question. :dunno2:

IF A PERSON IS NOT BEING CALLED OUT OR DRAWN BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN HIS OR HER LIFETIME FOR WHAT PURPOSE WERE THEY BORN  IN THIS TIME? JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE AND FIND RECONCILIATION SOME TIME AFTER THEIR BODY GOES TO THE GRAVE AND THE SPIRIT GOES INTO THE SPIRIT REALM. BECAUSE IT"S NOT THEIR APPOINTED ORDER OF TIME SEEMS TO BE A BIT MORE OF A MYSTERY TO ME AND A BIT HARD TO CONVEY TO OTHERS. :dontknow:

Share your thoughts or understandings and revelation please.

[Seth]

I think it is to reveal the glory of God according to a gradual unveiling of himself through mankind starting with Jesus.

Isaiah 43
6 I will say to the north, 'Give them up!'
    and to the south, 'Do not hold them back.'
Bring my sons from afar
    and my daughters from the ends of the earth—
7 everyone who is called by my name,
    whom I created for my glory,
    whom I formed and made."

[Shev]

 :iagree:

Who can discern the dealings of God with each of His children? I believe He works in the lives of all men, but those lessons don't necessarily come to light until they are illuminated by the Spirit later. Think about the disciples - in the gospels, there are instances of situations where "they did not understand at the time, but later on, they remembered the things He had said", to paraphrase. I believe all lives will be like this, where the very darkness we have been in bondage to serves as a background to display the bright beauty of the multi faceted diamond of Jesus Christ.

For our part, how could we love those who hate us, if this life was only for believers? How could we resist in the face of hostile opposition? Everyone has their part to play in the panorama of life, and everyone will ultimately rejoice in the wise plan of God, even though we stand in the midst of such gross spiritual darkness all around. We are living "in time" right now, and for ages to come, but we are dealing with an eternal God.

[GodIsLove]

He1,
I was wondering something similar to that question.

Marie Glen's thoughts on this resonate with me, that this life needs many "actors" to learn lessons of good and evil which is why some are not saved in this life.

Shev, good thoughts.

It's much harder to answer this question if you believe in ET, thank God for his plan to reconcile all!

[guest5685]

Thanks-GodIsLove and Shev for your responses. I am going to make another post trying to clarify my question and musings right below here.

[guest5685]

SHEV--I think you might have misunderstood my question just a bit. I know not everyone is a believer and we are in a learning process that seems to be perfected by our growth in the ability to get along with and forgive and even love the unlovely. I'm asking what the purpose is of those uncalled in their fleshly lifetime is if they are going to be reconciled sometime after their fleshly death.

If not called or touched in their natural lifetime wouldn't that be like androids that we come in contact with on a daily basis and our not knowing who is who is not requires us to treat all with love. Then those uncalled in this lifetime might not be better than a horse or cow except in a human like body but still have the ability to interact with us them having intelligence but no actual soul or quickened spirit. Otherwise if they are born into this earthly plane and they never have that call or draw from the Spirit of God wouldn't that then make their actions though unrighteous "The Will of God" for them? They would have served their purpose in causing us to learn forgive  their actions toward us or others etc. etc.

Kind of like Pharaoh-God hardened his heart so did he do "The Will of God"  for him?

These are some interesting things to think about when you believe the "Each In His Own Order" thinking. Maybe they were obedient to their call just as we are obedient to our call.

We are still required to share the gospel and call all men as Jesus commanded not knowing who will respond to love or who's purpose was just to be an obstacle to overcome.

That being said if each is held accountable for their actions for "The Light THEY Have Been Shown" would they not be Good And Faithful Servants (not necessarily children but servants)?

Yes! I know these thoughts are strange indeed but they make me think even if only from the carnal part of the mind for what purpose would God allow someone to be birthed and then not ever CALL THEM before their flesh went to the grave.

Now friends don't think I've been spaced out on dope or booze but I'm just trying to make some sense out of the explanation we use to justify UR to folks who would question (Why bring to birth and then not call someone in their earthly lifetime?) :dunno2: :dontknow:

[rosered]

 
Hi there He1 myheart,     

I guess we are sharing our faith , what we believe,  the best we know how , by Holy Spirit witness right ?

  Many are called and few are chosen     ,   I believe the "Christ "had  come "is coming "and   "yet to come"   to the full,  that being the Anointing  and specific selection/election   purposed  , chosen out of the  ones called out of the world   by name , that is a very important  clue to me   by name ,,, 

  There  is no name under heaven by which  you must be saved  except Jesus Christ    ![All  are Gathered into  Jesus Christ] completely totally  wholly  like the dead into made ALIVE  , I do believe  we rise in Christ  [Spirit  of truth]   when our name is called   up out of death   [carnal  nature ]   Jesus  Christ is  holding the dead and living  now  within HIMSELF  BECAUSE HE IS THE LORD OF ALL  THINGS ..He Alone is bringing the dead  to Life again from the dead  and those in heaven [spiritually  being made complete in Him , know that the   Heavens  , the old and new SHOUT   THE VICTORY SONGS  of Moses and the LAMB !!
This was a critical clue to me    , He is doing it all without our   knowing !!the dead know nothing    !!  till we are  quickened   , changed  in a twinkling of an eye      .. , some are raised   only to die again    and again  and again [Daniel 12]     prophecy fulfilled in  us  all of us    from the CROSS  ,  that   is the pivotal point        and why is sooo important to be carful how you hear what the Spirit is saying   


  For me the firstfruits  are those   called out and chosen  ones that died in faith without the promises   made   known , the  stars in the darkness /ignorance  under the law of death ,  till the fulness of the ages , times   that God chose the send the Son [  heaven opened ]   the CROSS , OPEN SHOW

  But   this is only seen Spiritually  speaking   ,  so what does the Living  have in common among the dead ?    Many have a name they are alive , but are still DEAD ,,,    IT IS JESUS CHRIST         .. THE old heaven under law and many  teaching still   , that faith without knowing where they are going  ]   and the NEW  HEAVEN

Those  in the new heaven and  earth   have risen up Higher in the BODY OF CHRIST  as useful   and purposed  and  reigning with HIM NOW  , from below   HIS  feet ,[gospel , good news   teaching ] and are  declaring the   testimony of Jesus Christ   ,  BY the VERY SPIRIT OF PROPHECY !!  HEAVEN IS SHOUTING THE VICTORY SONGS   REV 19

HE IS the holding  [living and the dead]  and  the rest of the dead  , do not live  till this reign[DAY] is complete  enemies  under His teaching feet .. within them to HIMSELF  TO BECOME FULLY ALL IN ALL TO THE FATHER  who called them all in the first place .... its a growing thing DAILY     ..just as the dead are dying daily !! that sacrifice of LOVE ...  all the ends of the earth are declaring the good news of the gospel the testimony of Jesus Christ by the  Spirit of prophecy all are working together for the good of those called out of the world /  sin error = death into the marvelous LIGHT ..
  that is my faith in Him in  the nutshell  .. :HeartThrob:  simple as can be explained by my heart  and what is in it ..

and am certain there is more to come  for us all GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST  :dsunny:
PS the vision having the flames shooting up from a circle  of   BRILLIANT fire years ago  and   the formation   of excellency the calling of  names  , I know a few whom also had this experience  also     ... many  are called into judgment,  a close  scrutiny , examined    and given  more of Him  or less

and make us  farmers  ,seed sowers, waterers of the WORD  in the fresh tilled soil /earth  ,  the labourers of Love   in and though His Son whom is last/end  and   in HIS VINEYARD   waiting on the harvest  , For  HE IS THE LORD OF HARVESTS  heavens  portion ever more [ parable of the  vineyard ]Matt 20    Going  from hunters  , seeking  , killing and consuming , destroying   [Nimrods  / Babel tower , and mighty hunters /Esaus]      the earths  portion [tempoary] 

  formed     differnce  created  in Gods  purpose and plan of the ages [days & nights ]   times to show HIS POWER AND GLORY IN THE EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN


look at the word "created." which is the word

    Created: Strong's Concordance: #1254  bara' (baw-raw'); a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): -choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

    Created: Brown-Diver-Briggs' Definition: #1254  bara'-
    1) to create, to shape, to form
        a) (Qal) to shape, to fashion, to create (always with God as subject)
    1) used of heaven and earth
    2) used of individual man
    3) used of new conditions and circumstances
    4) used of transformations
        b) (Niphal) to be created
    1) used of heaven and earth
    2) used of birth
    3) used of something new
    4) used of miracles
        c) (Piel)
    1) to cut down
    2) to cut out
    3) to be fat; (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat



    Genesis 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."
 
   

 

    this word "formed."
    Formed: Strong's Concordance: #3335  yatsar (yaw-tsar'); probably identical with 3334 (through the squeezing into shape); ([compare 3331]); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively, to determine (i.e. form a resolution): KJV-- X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose.

    Formed: Brown-Driver-Briggs' Definition: #3335  yatsar-to form, to fashion, to frame
        a) (Qal) to form, to fashion
    1) used of human activity
    2) used of divine activity
        a) used of creation
    1) used of original creation
    2) used of individuals at conception
    3) used of Israel as a people
        a) to frame, to pre-ordain, to plan (figurative of divine) to purpose of a situation
        b) (Niphal) to be formed, to be created
        c) (Pual) to be predetermined, to be pre-ordained
        d) (Hophal) to be formed


  Going  from the natural  planted in corruption to the   rising up into  incorruption      , birthed as  sons of  men and rising up as sons of God .....  to His glory  always  and ever ..
1 COR15]   

                     As always goes   to long ... :sigh:  But am  excited to hear what others believe ..and share :banana: :banana: :banana:







ps  this is about two hours getting this  written down  lol and some interruptions    ha ha ha  :laughing7:




The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV). The NRSV is an extremely accurate translation, faithful to the earliest and best manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament (HB/OT) and the Greek New Testament (NT).

[rosered]

These are some interesting things to think about when you believe the "Each In His Own Order" thinking. Maybe they were obedient to their call just as we are obedient to our call.

We are still required to share the gospel and call all men as Jesus commanded not knowing who will respond to love or who's purpose was just to be an obstacle to overcome.

That being said if each is held accountable for their actions for "The Light THEY Have Been Shown" would they not be Good And Faithful Servants (not necessarily children but servants)?

Yes! I know these thoughts are strange indeed but they make me think even if only from the carnal part of the mind for what purpose would God allow someone to be birthed and then not ever CALL THEM before their flesh went to the grave.

  Love this !!!!!!!!!!!!   each in their own order    is according to rank or status  , each   star   differs in glory      .. when you rise    purposed in Gods  plan  , you can sure fall        a star is an angel , not the  mystical kind , but a messenger       with life and death on his tongue    [speech]        I do believe there is a heavenly language and the sheep here His voice   , this is the  voice of many LIVING WATERS !!    ABOVE   that quickening of the HOLY SPIRIT  within your spirit    lets you know    the WORD IS ALIVE     ACTIVE  within you  working and doing the works   of the FATHER /SPIRIT OF LOVE though the SON   LIVING WORD \  purposed in GODS DESIRE     HE IS creating a garden  of eden HIS PLEASURE       on the earth as it is in heaven  [INCREASE]   

  We have all been a tender shoot  a blade   and bud and     flower    till the fruit  manifests ......   and is to be consumed  we are eating from others labours of LOVE       now   and some will also   eat of the same fruits of the  HOLY   SPIRIT           when the Father appoints the perfect time     

We are born in the natural as needy  hungry   little babes  milk drinkers ,  that others  must take care of or they die  without help  , needing to be changed and   loved   allowed to grow  or they die  , It is the same in the Spiritual  realm            GOD provides   , for me this cycle   and circle of Life has been thought the ages   since the world began    , 

  I have considered        that John the baptist is the least of the kingdom of God  and must decrease  as the Lord Jesus Christ  is to INCREASE    , So this ranking  or the order of things   in glory can be seen in the mortal mankind  , by  name   and change   lower  glory   to the higher GLORY  IN CHRIST   ..
   I know this sounds  weird but I had just read 1COR 15  , yesterday   to refresh memory , bring  back from the dead .... hidden in my carnal  mind , earth   to life again   [Living word is active ]     resulting in purposed for Gods reasons  and not our own      ...   it is good to obey  and easy  to do , just do it by faith works ...

It is most definitely  the LORD JESUS CHRIST   doing it ,,,   we are not our own      ...  GLORY is a  word   most of mankind  are in the dark/unknown  about ...
and we all start    from the bottom .......GOD IS FAIR ..

   The GLORY IS IN HIS PRESENCE  !!    that simple to me      , and my opinion   , When Jesus spoke of the same GLORY HE HAD WITH HIS FATHER before the world was      ,  and HIM BEING SENT    to the lower realms and regions of men's hearts     to become the    Master of the dead and the Living      ,,,   HE ALONE HOLDS death    within HIM AND MAKES ALIVE    ,,,,

HE IS EVERYTHING TO US ,  LIFE ITSELF , TREE OF LIFE etc ,,,   and we LIVE because of Him,  what GLORY !!!!   :banana: :banana: :banana:  and we are indebted to Him   BIG TIME   for that !!     what a thing to know and realize !!!     tears of joy unspeakable and full of glory ,,,,,     the Spirit intercedes  on our behalf  THANKS BE TO GOD  to even know this much !!!!  HERE AND NOW  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :banana: :dsunny: :icon_flower: :flowerred:

[guest5685]

Yeah Rose, Sometimes my posts are very long too it's not always easy to get an understanding or a questioning view across in a few words so someone can fully understand so we try to get there several different ways in the hopes we won't be misunderstood.

Yeah for long posts too! :banana: :banana: :iagree: :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

Psalms 19  regarding the stars of the New heavens. The heavens declare the glory of God,and the firmament showeth His handiwork

  Day unto day uttereth speech and the knight knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard.

   Their line is gone out to all the earth,and their words to the end of the world.In them hath He set a tabernacle for the sun..

  WHICH IS AS A BRIDEGROOM COMING OUT OF HIS CHAMBER,AND REJOICETH AS A STRONGMAN TO RUN A RACE

   His going forth is from the end of the heaven,and his circuit unto the ends of it.


  nowdays....when the stars all come out..each in his order...they become known and their presence noted....by the magnitude

of brightness in the heavens.

    God covered the stars with darkness when He snuffed out the old heavens..when His son died on the cross.

[guest5685]

Come on now folks! It shows this thread has been read 50 times with only a few responding! :sigh: Let us hear your thoughts to the original two posts I placed here. Surely you must have some thoughts so please share.

You won't get beat up for sharing in this group of folks so give it your best shot!  :Peace2:
Love Ya All-- :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[sheila]

 we know now that stars are suns[sons]ofGod....and declare the Glory of God..and reign over the darkness/night on earth..from the

  heavens.  They can guide/serve to help people go in the right direction..both on land and sea.......NAVI_GATE through darkness

          they can make known /declare the birth of the manchild..unto shepherds in the fields and wise men who have traveled far

     to see a wisdom greater then Solomon's[even God giveing a saviour/His son,unto man]a son of God,a spiritual son from

heaven/above..born of a Holy virginal spirit...born of God's will and not man's.

[rosered]

Psalms 19  regarding the stars of the New heavens. The heavens declare the glory of God,and the firmament showeth His handiwork

  Day unto day uttereth speech and the knight knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard.

   Their line is gone out to all the earth,and their words to the end of the world.In them hath He set a tabernacle for the sun..

  WHICH IS AS A BRIDEGROOM COMING OUT OF HIS CHAMBER,AND REJOICETH AS A STRONGMAN TO RUN A RACE

   His going forth is from the end of the heaven,and his circuit unto the ends of it.


  nowdays....when the stars all come out..each in his order...they become known and their presence noted....by the magnitude

of brightness in the heavens.

    God covered the stars with darkness when He snuffed out the old heavens..when His son died on the cross.

  :dsunny: :HeartThrob:  Amen   THE CROSS  OF  THE LORD JESUS CHRIST   ,,,   

   and  so the warning  not to bow down to them  and worship the stars messengers   or moon or the sun even, but GOD !!     but to worship God  in Spirit of truth and be  thanking  HIM for   sending  them all in  Christ ......


   rev 22 6 And he said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true, and the Lord, the God of prophetic spirits, sent his angel to show his servants what must happen soon.""Behold, I am coming soon." Blessed is the one who keeps the prophetic message of this book.

8 It is I, John, who heard and saw these things, and when I heard and saw them I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me. 9 But he said to me, "Don't! I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brothers the prophets and of those who keep the message of this book. Worship God."

10 Then he said to me, "Do not seal up the prophetic words of this book, for the appointed time is near. 11 Let the wicked still act wickedly, and the filthy still be filthy. The righteous must still do right, and the holy still be holy."

12 "Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

14 Blessed are they who wash their robes so as to have the right to the tree of life and enter the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the unchaste, the murderers, the idol-worshipers, and all who love and practice deceit.

16 "I, Jesus, sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, the bright morning star."

17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let the hearer say, "Come." Let the one who thirsts come forward, and the one who wants it receive the gift of life-giving water.

18 I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book.

20 The one who gives this testimony says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all.          :HeartThrob:   He  ALONE  holds it all together ...  Time for others and you to share  HE1MY HEART

[sheila]

the heavens roll up like a scroll..........the curse that entered the house of the theif...consumed the house/a foolish woman tears

down her own house.......through harlotry.

[sheila]

Psalms 147;4  He telleth the number of the stars..He calleth them all by their names.

   If I be lifted up...I will draw all men unto me[just as satn drew with His tail and cast unto earth stars/and all the stars fell from heaven]

    Abraham[faith/seed/righteousness] was told his seed would be as the sand and as the stars for multitude.

[sheila]

Jeremiah 23;23,Ezekiel 6;12,Acts 17;27  God near and far away...some stars are so far away..that we may not even see them......

   some may even make up the body of the dragon constellation..if the light that be in ye,be darkness,how great that darkness!

    He gathers from the four corners of heaven..what has been scattered...He gathers from the four corners of earth what has

  been scattered..the holy city New Jerusalem is a cube/square..with four corners in heaven/top...and four corners in earth......

   when completely gathered...no more death,no mourning no outcry..God with us....no longer needing the sun to shine/nor a temple

nor moon etc........for God and the Lamb are in it...and they shall be their light.   and no longer will anyone say 'know God!' for all shall

know me....from the least unto the greatest!

[bushy]

SHEV--I think you might have misunderstood my question just a bit. I know not everyone is a believer and we are in a learning process that seems to be perfected by our growth in the ability to get along with and forgive and even love the unlovely. I'm asking what the purpose is of those uncalled in their fleshly lifetime is if they are going to be reconciled sometime after their fleshly death.

If not called or touched in their natural lifetime wouldn't that be like androids that we come in contact with on a daily basis and our not knowing who is who is not requires us to treat all with love. Then those uncalled in this lifetime might not be better than a horse or cow except in a human like body but still have the ability to interact with us them having intelligence but no actual soul or quickened spirit. Otherwise if they are born into this earthly plane and they never have that call or draw from the Spirit of God wouldn't that then make their actions though unrighteous "The Will of God" for them? They would have served their purpose in causing us to learn forgive  their actions toward us or others etc. etc.

Kind of like Pharaoh-God hardened his heart so did he do "The Will of God"  for him?

These are some interesting things to think about when you believe the "Each In His Own Order" thinking. Maybe they were obedient to their call just as we are obedient to our call.

We are still required to share the gospel and call all men as Jesus commanded not knowing who will respond to love or who's purpose was just to be an obstacle to overcome.

That being said if each is held accountable for their actions for "The Light THEY Have Been Shown" would they not be Good And Faithful Servants (not necessarily children but servants)?

Yes! I know these thoughts are strange indeed but they make me think even if only from the carnal part of the mind for what purpose would God allow someone to be birthed and then not ever CALL THEM before their flesh went to the grave.

Now friends don't think I've been spaced out on dope or booze but I'm just trying to make some sense out of the explanation we use to justify UR to folks who would question (Why bring to birth and then not call someone in their earthly lifetime?) :dunno2: :dontknow:

My thoughts were pretty much like you said here. We've heard it said lots of times 'God has a plan for your life' but understood as something out there that is not realized yet and I think most never feel like they found the real plan. But maybe everyone is doing what they were made to do like Pharaoh who hardened his heart and helped get the Israelites out of Egypt, and Hitler maybe did what he was made to do. And the drunks on skid row doing what they were made to do. One guy who is definitely a horse of a different color is Robert Rutherford believes everyone is already 'saved' and fulfilling what they were made to do. The word 'saved' is understood in different ways but what I like is that God's plan is above our understanding and is being fulfilled exactly as He meant for it. Just some of my thoughts.

[bushy]

Another thought about 'many are called but few are chosen'.

In Romans 5 several times it says 'the many' when it means all as in   15 "But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification."     

So maybe all are called but few chosen.

[guest5685]

Bushy-I agree with you that God's plan is coming about just as he has planned. :iagree:

I just wanted to see how people could answer the questions I posed since people that don't believe are sure to ask those type of questions especially when you tell them you believe all will come to salvation and they know folks that have passed on already. Try explaining why they lived and passed on without receiving "The Call" but somehow someway they will "In Their Own Order" it's really not easy without leaving them with lots of questions. :sigh:

[bushy]

How about 'all are called but few chosen in this life time' but chosen for after this life? Aren't the chosen ones the firstfruits and all the others fruit that comes later? I know unbelievers might not go for this but it still might be the truth. The hard part for me is believing that I am actually fulfilling a plan for my life but it really does put me at rest when I accept it as fact. Not to forget about growing in the knowledge of God of course. And also it helps when thinking about others who passed on without being reconciled to God.  :2c:

[guest5685]

Jeremiah 23;23,Ezekiel 6;12,Acts 17;27  God near and far away...some stars are so far away..that we may not even see them......

   some may even make up the body of the dragon constellation..if the light that be in ye,be darkness,how great that darkness!

    He gathers from the four corners of heaven..what has been scattered...He gathers from the four corners of earth what has

  been scattered..the holy city New Jerusalem is a cube/square..with four corners in heaven/top...and four corners in earth......

   when completely gathered...no more death,no mourning no outcry..God with us....no longer needing the sun to shine/nor a temple

nor moon etc........for God and the Lamb are in it...and they shall be their light.   and no longer will anyone say 'know God!' for all shall

know me....from the least unto the greatest!

Sheila-I think this might be the best way to comfort someone who is concerned about someone who has passed not knowing or having a personal relationship/fellowship with Christ. It at least covers the "All Shall Know Me" but might still leave a question as to why they were born before their time to be called.

Thanks for your input. :HeartThrob: I think I opened up a thread that just might be around for awhile! :laughing7: :laughing7:

[rosered]

Here is what helped me 


my god was to small   :sigh:  most  of all folks god is to small .....  can we talk so brazenly /  SO CANDIDLY  so HONESTLY ?

in Him and though Him all things exist   the firstfruits   have already been eaten!!!! yes we eat of his body and drink of His blood that we have life in us ,,,    those first fruits     that slept but are risen   oh yes they sure are     

Col 1 5He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,

visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together....

  OK LIFE AND DEATH are in Christ        if you can believe the above  verse ^    that is soooooo big  . bigger than  MIND BLOWING

   that carnal mind cannot see it   OFF with your head ......

   So if you cannot see it   , its time to  ask for the mind of Christ so you can   SEE JESUS IN EVERYTHING  AND EVERYONE  .. all things ,

what is not of all things ?     boy that is the question ,,,  WHEW !  :eek:

[guest5685]

Here is what helped me 


my god was to small   :sigh:  most  of all folks god is to small .....  can we talk so brazenly /  SO CANDIDLY  so HONESTLY ?

in Him and though Him all things exist   the firstfruits   have already been eaten!!!! yes we eat of his body and drink of His blood that we have life in us ,,,    those first fruits     that slept but are risen   oh yes they sure are     

Col 1 5He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,

visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together....

  OK LIFE AND DEATH are in Christ        if you can believe the above  verse ^    that is soooooo big  . bigger than  MIND BLOWING

   that carnal mind cannot see it   OFF with your head ......

   So if you cannot see it   , its time to  ask for the mind of Christ so you can   SEE JESUS IN EVERYTHING  AND EVERYONE  .. all things ,

what is not of all things ?     boy that is the question ,,,  WHEW !  :eek:

I like this response since I agree most have a too small God. God in all things by him for him and to him sounds like my kind of God! :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

as long as the earth exists..there will seasons and harvest time..we are told...........first the natural..then the spiritual man......

  as long as generations of men are sown into this earth..you will behold natural men..who see the spiritual as foolishness...you

will always have those poor with you...will always have the old man at enmity with God..til his harvest.  Just as you have the  natural

generation of men in this earth,so too you shall have the spiritual man..birthed of the will of God..though he too,began as an infant

  that must have milk only..and must grow and mature/God makes grow both the natural creation and the spiritual.

  one is temporal and corruptible and mortal...and must be clothed with the eternal and incorruptible and immortality.


   so what..if God made some men to live a natural life all their time on this earth? maybe they lived on the other side of the world

from Israel..the law covenant etc..and heard not a single word of the Law/ etc OT covenant nor the New covenant and Jesus Christ..

say the heard not the first thing about it til Columbus and colonization?  Did they not fulfill the commandment to be fruitful and

multiply? to spread out all over the planet?  are they any less sheep without a shepherd/lost then Israel's day when Jesus was sent?

  did their leaders rob and steal and lead astray any worse then the Pharisees and Sadducees..with-ever what government or rulers

they lived under.Was Israel in harlotry/idolatry and any less murderers and theives than other cultures/people's villages?

   who set the boundaries and nations of the people's? made nations fall..or give to Cyrus a reward for his service..even though he did

not know God?


  Did they die any less more then all in Adam?  No...they didn't.. for God bound all men in disobedience....ministration of death

under the old law covenant...and unto people that were a law unto themselves..and even the lawless one unto themselves.

   Nothing exists but God..everything made of the creation,both the seen and the unseen..is made of His substance......He shares

  His consciousness/life with us...that we may know life[dead know nothing/conscious of nothing]

   Father is the tree of life/our family tree.....the HEAVENS[universe] can not even contain Him.

   E=Mc2...think that's it...spirit/energy...forms mass[creation]  you sit in a chair that is His energy/spirit...formed into mass...

  in a body that is formed from His energy/spirit transformed into mass..on an earth that is His substance/energy/spirit formed in mass

that is part of a solar system formed of His spirit/energy formed into mass..part of a single milkyway constellation that is made of His

spirit/energy formed into mass..amidst myriads of constellations formed of His energy/spirit/substance. And this just the seen

creation...........not even considering His unseen creation .

    He is all that there is...and because He is[I AM],youe and a[R]e =electrum ...this is part of the God is ALL IN ALL..

  now,as David said..'if I make my bed in hell[grave] Thou art there!  there is no where we can go to get away from His presence!!!!!!!!

...and I am with you always!!!!

   God Himself..lays down His life..that we may live[did you not know that Jesus was the very image of the Father?]

  when Jesus said..ye have no life in yourselves..you must drink my blood[life in it] and eat my flesh[body]............so,too,with

  Our Father..we expierence life through His..our very body is alive because of His[substance/body] we are conscious [experience]

because He shares His consciousness/life/substance with us.  He made all creation/seen and unseen from His very own self.

[GodIsLove]

Sheila  :thumbsup: