Carbon - The number of the beast

[thinktank]

Eve rejected that image though in favour of her own image.

Genesis
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


I'm not sure how the rest of humaity fits into it. Perhaps as individual spirits in the garden watching Adam and Eve, we decided to rebel also, so God sent us the curse of living in this world .

Or simply that we are Adam and Eves childen born into bondage, so that Christ came to save us.

[WhiteWings]

Man can mean 1 man or Humanity as a whole, but A man or a man means one man.

I saw a man the other day, allways means I saw one man or a particular man.


thanks for the science. So only carbon is 666. Warning acronym ahead. We breath out carbon 666, equivalent to breathing out our old man and breathing in oxygen the new man 888. Although I don't know what the number 888 means in scripture, it probably has some meaning attached to it.

Adam was created on the 8th day.  Jews circumcised on the 8th day. Temple dedicated on the 8th day.  Christ resurrected on the 8th day.

888 is also the word value of Jesus.

Any thoughts on post #5???
Carbon-7 the atom that carries thoughts :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
Especially the last supper part.

why the long face?

Because this thread went off-topic within a few posts.

what is carbon - 7?

I wrote carbon-12 = 666
There are several types of carbon. Carbon-12 is the one most abundant in nature/our body. But there are other types. Carbon-7 is one of them. It's a theoretical element because it can't really exist. (for more than an instant)
See Reply#5

[Taffy]

Eve rejected that image though in favour of her own image.

Genesis
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


I'm not sure how the rest of humaity fits into it. Perhaps as individual spirits in the garden watching Adam and Eve, we decided to rebel also, so God sent us the curse of living in this world .

Or simply that we are Adam and Eves childen born into bondage, so that Christ came to save us.

EVE is the very MIND and soul of ADAM for they are ONE --in respect for WWs thread- ill now quit--- Be Blessed :icon_flower:

[thinktank]

In ancient books of Judaism Metatron is the highest of angels and mediator between God and men.
The symbol of Metatron was
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/ThetaGnome46/METATRONS-CUBE-Converted.png)
Notice the star of David?
Also 1 central circle, 6 outer and 6 inner circles.
6-1-6
Let's say Jesus is Metatron the mediator between man and God.
(http://www.art-reproductions.net/images/Artists/Leonardo-Da-Vinci/The-Last-Supper.jpg)
6 apostles - 1 Jesus - 6 apostles
Does anyone the names of 6 apostles on the left and the 6 on the right?
Any significance in their grouping?

Carbon-7 is 6-1-6
I wonder what that means....

I don't think christ is a mediator though. Rather he is God, but I do see resurected Christ the seed of Abrham as a mediator between God and man, but I see him as a human being, the second Adam.

So Christ is a God, by procerss he then get born into the seed of Abraham and then becomes a mediator between man and God.

Metatron  from what you have told me seems to be of divine origin, but is under Gods commands.

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Sorry I don't know the order of the disciples.

[WhiteWings]

I don't think christ is a mediator though. Rather he is God, but I do see resurected Christ the seed of Abrham as a mediator between God and man, but I see him as a human being, the second Adam.

^YLT1Tim 2
5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

Metatron  from what you have told me seems to be of divine origin, but is under Gods commands.

Read this article. Sometimes I think Metatron simply is another name for Jesus. (for exmple the part He sits in Heaven)

Sorry I don't know the order of the disciples.

See reply 55

[thinktank]

I don't think christ is a mediator though. Rather he is God, but I do see resurected Christ the seed of Abrham as a mediator between God and man, but I see him as a human being, the second Adam.

^YLT1Tim 2
5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

Metatron  from what you have told me seems to be of divine origin, but is under Gods commands.

Read this article. Sometimes I think Metatron simply is another name for Jesus. (for exmple the part He sits in Heaven)

Sorry I don't know the order of the disciples.

See reply 55

Argg, you guys are always missing the key words in my replies  :laughing7:

for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus (seed of Abraham, the messiah, the sacrifice, the lamb)) and God, the Son of God, he who created all things, the word, reconcilling all things to himself, until he hands it all to the Father.

Metatron= old testament, if he is Jesus, then how can he meditate between God and man, because

1. Jesus is God
2. Metatron is an Old testament writing, even though not found in the cannons, but the messiah, the seed of Abraham, the kinsman redeemer, our brother Jesus Christ the lamb of God was not even born yet, to be a mediator. So how can he be a mediator if there is no lamb of God?

So to me Metatron if he exists, is an angel who is a ministering spirit, pleading for mercy on behalf of mankind, no different than a Christian who prays for another person.

[WhiteWings]

I don't think christ is a mediator though. Rather he is God, but I do see resurected Christ the seed of Abrham as a mediator between God and man, but I see him as a human being, the second Adam.

^YLT1Tim 2
5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

Metatron  from what you have told me seems to be of divine origin, but is under Gods commands.

Read this article. Sometimes I think Metatron simply is another name for Jesus. (for exmple the part He sits in Heaven)

Sorry I don't know the order of the disciples.

See reply 55

Argg, you guys are always missing the key words in my replies  :laughing7:

I think I didn't I just want to avoid (sadly) forbidden trinity debates. I'll make a statement without further discussing: I believe trinity is a pagan concept that crept in along with the hell doctrine.

for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus (seed of Abraham, the messiah, the sacrifice, the lamb)) and God, the Son of God, he who created all things, the word, reconcilling all things to himself, until he hands it all to the Father.

Metatron= old testament, if he is Jesus, then how can he meditate between God and man, because

^YLT1Tim 2
5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

TT, for me that verse is very clear Jesus is a mediator. If you see it otherwise plz tell me how I should read that verse or what words are translated wrong.

1. Jesus is God
2. Metatron is an Old testament writing, even though not found in the cannons, but the messiah, the seed of Abraham, the kinsman redeemer, our brother Jesus Christ the lamb of God was not even born yet, to be a mediator. So how can he be a mediator if there is no lamb of God?

People can be more things at teh same time TT. You can be a husband, truck driver and a  football supporter all at the same time.
So why can't Jesus be a Son, a mediator and a Lamb at the same time. In fact if Jesus was not a Lamb then He impossibly could have been a mediator. Sin can only be forgiven by spilling of blood. Not by wise teachings and great attitude.

So to me Metatron if he exists, is an angel who is a ministering spirit, pleading for mercy on behalf of mankind, no different than a Christian who prays for another person.

Maybe Metatron is a fable. Maybe Christian know Metatron by a different name (not being Jesus). Dunno. It's just that Metatrons number 616 seems to pop up here and there. Fantasy? Fact? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

I think this is an interesting article: http://www.triumphpro.com/enoch-and-metatron.htm

[Molly]

From your link:



Metatron (Hebrew מטטרון) or Mattatron (a differentiation of Metatron)[2] is the name of an angel in Judaism and some branches[citation needed] of Christianity. There are no references to him in the Jewish Tanakh or Christian Scriptures (New and Old Testament). Although he is mentioned in a few brief passages in the Talmud, Metatron appears primarily in medieval Jewish mystical texts and other post-scriptural esoteric and occult sources. In Rabbinic tradition, he is the highest of the angels and serves as the celestial scribe,[3] though there is no consensus as to his genesis, nor is there a Christian consensus on his position in the hierarchy of angels or existence.[citation needed]



The Talmud relates that Elisha ben Abuyah (a rabbi and Jewish religious authority born in Jerusalem sometime before 70 BC), also called Acher, (אחר, "other", as he became an apostate), entered Paradise and saw Metatron sitting down (an action that in heaven is permitted only to God himself).

Elishah ben Abuyah therefore looked to Metatron as a deity and said heretically, "There are indeed two powers in heaven!"[4]

In opposition to this apology, Metatron is identified with the term "lesser YHWH", which is the Lesser Tetragrammaton, in a Talmudic version as cited by the Karaite scholar Kirkisani.

The word Metatron is numerically equivalent to El Shaddai (God) in Hebrew gematria;  therefore, he is said to have a "Name like his Master."

The Babylonian Talmud mentions Metatron in two other places: Sanhedrin 38b and Avodah Zarah 3b. Yevamot 16b describes in the Amoraic period the duties of 'prince of the world' being transferred from Michael to Metatron.

While this identification of Metatron with Enoch is not to be found in the Talmud itself, the connection is assumed by some of the earliest kabbalists. There also seem to be two Metatrons, one spelled with six letters (מטטרון), and one spelled with seven (מיטטרון). The former may be the transformed Enoch, Prince of the Countenance within the divine palace; the latter, the Primordial Metatron, an emanation of the "Cause of Causes," specifically the tenth and last emanation, identified with the earthly Divine Presence.[9]

--Wikipedia



Although I have never heard of Metatron, and know nothing about this figure.--the whole thing gives me the creeps.  I have long thought some Jews [of the kabbalistic variety] worship Satan and other gods behind the scenes, going as far back as the ancient Egyptian captivity[ which pervades the culture even today [note the presence of obelisks all over the world]].

I would want to study this in great detail before I would be willing to say anything more--but I do know this--there is only one name by which men can be saved--and it's not Metatron.

[thinktank]

I don't think christ is a mediator though. Rather he is God, but I do see resurected Christ the seed of Abrham as a mediator between God and man, but I see him as a human being, the second Adam.

^YLT1Tim 2
5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

Metatron  from what you have told me seems to be of divine origin, but is under Gods commands.

Read this article. Sometimes I think Metatron simply is another name for Jesus. (for exmple the part He sits in Heaven)

Sorry I don't know the order of the disciples.

See reply 55

Argg, you guys are always missing the key words in my replies  :laughing7:

I think I didn't I just want to avoid (sadly) forbidden trinity debates. I'll make a statement without further discussing: I believe trinity is a pagan concept that crept in along with the hell doctrine.

TT
That could be problematic then. But do you know there is 2 versions of it. There is the catholic version which is more pure trinity, since they created it, and then there is the protestant version, which was also badly named the same, to describe three people. It was a bad move I think as it causes all kinds of mixups when discussing this doctrine.

for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus (seed of Abraham, the messiah, the sacrifice, the lamb)) and God, the Son of God, he who created all things, the word, reconcilling all things to himself, until he hands it all to the Father.

Metatron= old testament, if he is Jesus, then how can he meditate between God and man, because

^YLT1Tim 2
5 for one is God, one also is mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

TT, for me that verse is very clear Jesus is a mediator. If you see it otherwise plz tell me how I should read that verse or what words are translated wrong.

TT
I AM saying that Jesus is a mediator. But look down on your OWN words. You said "sin can only be forgiven by the spilling of blood". The lamb was slain in 33 AD, but metatron is a concept created before that date.

1. Jesus is God
2. Metatron is an Old testament writing, even though not found in the cannons, but the messiah, the seed of Abraham, the kinsman redeemer, our brother Jesus Christ the lamb of God was not even born yet, to be a mediator. So how can he be a mediator if there is no lamb of God?

People can be more things at teh same time TT. You can be a husband, truck driver and a  football supporter all at the same time.
So why can't Jesus be a Son, a mediator and a Lamb at the same time. In fact if Jesus was not a Lamb then He impossibly could have been a mediator. Sin can only be forgiven by spilling of blood. Not by wise teachings and great attitude.

So to me Metatron if he exists, is an angel who is a ministering spirit, pleading for mercy on behalf of mankind, no different than a Christian who prays for another person.

Maybe Metatron is a fable. Maybe Christian know Metatron by a different name (not being Jesus). Dunno. It's just that Metatrons number 616 seems to pop up here and there. Fantasy? Fact? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Ok keep researching friend.

[WhiteWings]

Although I have never heard of Metatron,

I must admit I can't find it but I seem to remember that in the "Has God a solid form" thread you posted something about 'someone' that had a name similar to Metatron.

and know nothing about this figure.--the whole thing gives me the creeps.  I have long thought some Jews [of the kabbalistic variety] worship Satan and other gods behind the scenes, going as far back as the ancient Egyptian captivity[ which pervades the culture even today [note the presence of obelisks all over the world]].

Obelisks are fertility symbols. Where are those symbols seen? In about every ancient sun worship religion. I've never seen Jews using those symbols. But I do know that mother of (almost) all Christian denominations has an obelisk.
Picture of the sundail at St. Peter square
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01479/vatican_1479863i.jpg)

but I do know this--there is only one name by which men can be saved--and it's not Metatron.

That's wrong. You are saved by the Son of God. Not by a name. What if Metatron is a different (perhaps very wrong) name for Jesus?

I have long thought some Jews [of the kabbalistic variety] worship Satan and other gods behind the scenes

Then the star of David is satan worship too?
I've seen one article that claims the number of the beast is not 666 but 616...

[Molly]

What if Metatron is a different (perhaps very wrong) name for Jesus?

LOL.  Make the hair stand up on the back of my neck, why don't you?

Maybe it's a name for a competitor of Jesus.

The obelisk thing--I just mention it because a few years back I started seeing them, and once I saw them, I saw them everywhere.  Yes there is one in the Vatican, in France, England, in washington  and all over New England.  In Eqypt too of course.  What the heck?  What are these obelisks doing everywhere?
The final straw for me was when I visited the gravesite of a less famous President of the US--and there was an obelisk.

Whatever it means, it's important to somebody powerful.

Regarding the name:


Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[WhiteWings]

What the heck?  What are these obelisks doing everywhere?

I giess there are many because it's impossible to draw a pentagram with just one :icon_king:

[Molly]

PS For what it's worth--Everytime I see that name Metatron, my brain changes it into 'metronome.'  I had to go back and edit my post 3 times to get the name right.  You remember that awful instrument from childhood that demanded you keep to its beat?  But we are singing a new song and are meant to vibrate against the archons...against spiritual wickedness in high places.


met·ro·nome (mtr-nm)
n. Music
A device used to mark time by means of regularly recurring ticks or flashes at adjustable intervals.

[Greek metron, measure; see m-2 in Indo-European roots + Greek nomos, rule, division; see nem- in Indo-European roots.]

[Molly]

What the heck?  What are these obelisks doing everywhere?

I giess there are many because it's impossible to draw a pentagram with just one :icon_king:

very funny.  Whistleblower Stanley Kubrick started his movie 2001 with a bunch of apes worshipping around a type of obelisk.  One throws a bone into the air and it becomes the space station.  What was he trying to tell us?

NASA

(bare\, lift\, etc\) ... up, \(take\, carry\) ... away, accept, armourbearer, bare, bear, borne, carry, exalt, forgive, misc, obtained, regard, respect, take

H5375
נסה    נשׂא
nâśâ'  nâsâh
naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.

[thinktank]

What if Metatron is a different (perhaps very wrong) name for Jesus?

LOL.  Make the hair stand up on the back of my neck, why don't you?

Maybe it's a name for a competitor of Jesus.


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Wow I was just about to say and joke, that maybe he is not a mediator but a compeitior between man and God. Try and deny it molly but we have a spiritual connection. How does it feel to link to darkness :icon_jokercolor:


The obelisk thing--I just mention it because a few years back I started seeing them, and once I saw them, I saw them everywhere.  Yes there is one in the Vatican, in France, England, in washington  and all over New England.  In Eqypt too of course.  What the heck?  What are these obelisks doing everywhere?
The final straw for me was when I visited the gravesite of a less famous President of the US--and there was an obelisk.

Whatever it means, it's important to somebody powerful.

Regarding the name:


Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[WhiteWings]

Whatever it means, it's important to somebody powerful.

To Asterix  :winkgrin:

PS For what it's worth--Everytime I see that name Metatron, my brain changes it into 'metronome.'

Or Megatron.

Is the Pentagon in the center of a set of obelisks? (the center of a pentagram is a pentagon)

[redhotmagma]

I believe the obelisk represents Osiris' penis.  See also steeples.  And now I see them everywhere I go too.   A lot at cemetaries

[Molly]

I believe the obelisk represents Osiris' penis.  See also steeples.  And now I see them everywhere I go too.   A lot at cemetaries

yikes.  I never thought of a steeple as a type of obelisk but you're right. :mshock:

Without Jesus, I would consider us all doomed. :sigh:

[WhiteWings]

Molly when you visit the obelisk in Washington take your measuring rod. 666 inches at it's base. 6666 inches high.  :winkgrin:

See also steeples.  And now I see them everywhere I go too.

True.
Ever wondered my the pastor is preaching from a high spot? To catch the first ray of light at a morning mass.

Quiz... What symbol is just as old as the obelisk and was used in the same worship.

[redhotmagma]

a cross?

[WhiteWings]

 :thumbsup:
Yep. The rebirth of the sun.

[redhotmagma]

Kind of timely and all with Easter being yesterday.  Nimrod= Tammuz=Osiris. Nimrods wife=Ishtar=Easter=Ashera=Isis .  Tammuz means sprout of life

EZE 8:14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the Lord's house. I noticed 21  women sitting there weeping for Tammuz. 22  8:15 He said to me, "Do you see this, son of man? You will see even greater abominations than these!"
8:16 Then he brought me to the inner court of the Lord's house. Right there 23  at the entrance to the Lord's temple, between the porch and the altar, 24  were about twenty-five 25  men with their backs to the Lord's temple, 26  facing east – they were worshiping the sun 27  toward the east!

http://www.babylonforsaken.com/easter.html

[Molly]

:thumbsup:
Yep. The rebirth of the sun.

We see that in the imagery of 2001, also.  Ape-man starts out worshipping the monolith/obelisk which appears out of nowhere.  As the sun rises over the [as yet uncapped] pyramid, ape-man learns how to use tools.  Of course his first use of tools is to kill--first the animals [the cow/pig? lol] then each other--more sun rising over the uncapped pyramid, and man-ape has evolved into space flight.  Good thing we were given the monolith/obelisk/pyramid/rising sun to worship or we would still be back on the plains of the serengheti [which looks surprisingly like the surface of the moon], covered with hair, grunting and screeching at each other, and beating each other to death with bones.

The film was made in 1968.  33 years later [now there's a number], we met 2001 for real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DXMVG8fo3g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVMPlIQAz5E&feature=related

[thinktank]

I think lucifer has something to do with sun worship. Lucifer means light bearer and is called the son of the dawn.
son of the morning star could mean a disciple of astrology, or a scholar of the sun and stars. I think this obselix could be a part of this system.

[WhiteWings]

There are threads on thsi forum Lucifer is nothing but a very human king. Let's ignore that for a moment.
TT, do you think Lucifer is part of a trinity? Red gave a correct list of names. Not complete because the key figures in the sun worship religion have many many names. Never seen Lucifer as one of those names. It's about a little family. Father sun god. Mother moon godess and son star god.
Very likely the symbol of islam: the moon and the star is the moon-godess being pregnant with a star-son. So did you every read Lucifer has a wife and child? A child reborn at Easter/Isthar