http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/24/Why-HighFructose-Corn-Syrup-Causes-Insulin-Resistance.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/24/Why-HighFructose-Corn-Syrup-Causes-Insulin-Resistance.aspx)
If you can't read the article let me know and I will copy and past it here.
I'm glad there's finally some articles out on it. I've been off of that trash for a while and even did some fasting at the time to totally cleanse my body from it and restore insulin sensitivity that might have been lost with that trash. Stevia and agave nectar are better sweeteners and an alternative to regular soda that's better than sex zevia.com (http://www.zevia.com) There are cheaper versions of this kind of soda out there, once you know what you're looking for. But not having tried them, I don't know what they taste like.
Ya gotta watch the ingredients even on your breads and crackers if you buy store bought ones, so it's not just the soda issue. They sneak this crap into just about everything 'cause it creates addictive behaviour to what they're pushing and you wind up buying more.
Quote from: martincisneros on March 24, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Ya gotta watch the ingredients even on your breads and crackers if you buy store bought ones, so it's not just the soda issue. They sneak this crap into just about everything 'cause it creates addictive behaviour to what they're pushing and you wind up buying more.
Yeah, it's just astounding. You wouldn't believe the stuff this is in. It's in nearly everything.
My rule of thumb is: don't mess with God's design. If He didn't make it for food, and it's not in the form He made it, it probably shouldn't go in your body.
Anything unnatural that goes in your body will be treated just as any other foreign invader would, and if your body can't eliminate it, it will sequester it by storing it as fat.
Agreed on all of it...not real crazy about the Zevia cola, prefer the fruit flavored...still looking for an acceptable alternative for the cola which I crave (read, addicted to). I've read Dr. Mercola and get emails from his site...pretty good stuff.
the catch-22, Jabcat, is that it's probably the High Fructose Corn Syrup that you're addicted to in cola :dontknow:
I could more likely agree, except now I'll admit the rest of it...I drink Diet Rite (usually around 1 per day) because of the Splenda (still not good :thumbdown:) and because no caffeine for the hydration...I'm motivated again from this thread though to look some more for alternatives...I do drink tea that I brew at home, unfortunately I really don't like drinking water much...bad deal.
Diet Rite and Diet RC are extremely addictive because of the Splenda, but you wind up wanting to sleep all of the time when the Splenda starts becoming too much for your system. www.truthaboutsplenda.com (http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com)
ah, forgot about specifics of the splenda effects...just that it's not good, but you very well may be right about that...I believe it perhaps slows down the metabolism, also tricks the body into responding as to or worse than, refined sugar
Quote from: jabcat on March 25, 2009, 01:32:17 AM
Agreed on all of it...not real crazy about the Zevia cola, prefer the fruit flavored...still looking for an acceptable alternative for the cola which I crave (read, addicted to). I've read Dr. Mercola and get emails from his site...pretty good stuff.
Hey Jab, I get Mercola's emails too. That is what caused me to post this today.
Also, Martin, the way they make agave turns it into fructose and so it is just as bad for you as corn fructose.
Here is something I found:
This link is a real eye opener on agave:
Agave Nectar, the High Fructose Health Food Fraudhttp://www.naturalnews.com/024892.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/024892.html)
Tony
Quote from: jabcat on March 25, 2009, 01:40:21 AM
ah, forgot about specifics of the splenda effects...just that it's not good, but you very well may be right about that...I believe it perhaps slows down the metabolism, also tricks the body into responding as to or worse than, refined sugar
Not to mention that splenda is made by replacing some of the molecules in sugar with chlorine, a deadly poison.
Hey Doc, what doesn't kill you will only make you closer to dying.
eh, just drink water.
well...
filtered water that is.
It's awful, ain't it?
Just how FALLEN this world truly is? In every aspect of life...
Thank God, it's only temporary.
I use xylitol as a sweetener. I'm sure it will be reported soon that it's toxic. :thumbdown:
Haven't had a soda in over a year. (big feat for me.)
Fruit tastes WONDERFUL when you wean yourself off of sugar and packaged sweets/junkfood.
I used to be a junk food junkie. Not anymore. Been off that crap for almost a year now.
no more. It's just poison.
my diet isn't perfect. but it's a heck of a lot better than it used to be.
ugh. Franken-foods! yuk. Can't wait until our farmers market opens up here in April.. woo hoo!
Quote from: martincisneros on March 25, 2009, 01:33:48 AM
the catch-22, Jabcat, is that it's probably the High Fructose Corn Syrup that you're addicted to in cola :dontknow:
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At one time I used to drink six cans of 12oz
old fashioned classic coca colas and eat a half dozen glazed donuts along with it for five or six days every week with few exceptions for years when I drove truck, we never had any time to spare often on some schedules and so I would drink and eat some of it during roadside tire and brake checks and some after unloading at the destination.
I wieghed 125 lbs when I started driving truck and 30 years later I wieghed the same,
after all that abuse of long working hours, heavy maxed out excess wight permited loads, exposed to nasty concentrated toxic chemical cargo loads like formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aqua amonia, chlorine, explosive agents, pesticides, herbicides, petroleum ether spirits, paint thinners, all that along with an abusive diet I should have looked like a blimp with rotten teeth but that never happened to me, now I've been retired 15 years, almost 70 years old with still good health and the same wieght, And I don't go to doctors, I niether boast nor complain of these things, only stating what has been so appearently God isn't ready for Angel of the unmeasured journey to take me out of this world just yet.
Though I haven't drank a coca cola since I retired, I still drink my share of coffee which I really enjoy a good flavered cup of coffee, especialy in the mornings, just black though no sugar or cream.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Fire Walker is made of....
STEEL!!!!!!
:laughing7:
:icon_flower:
seriously.
that is really not fair! :grin:
ya got good genes. :thumbsup:
Quote from: fire walker on March 25, 2009, 06:47:25 AM
Quote from: martincisneros on March 25, 2009, 01:33:48 AM
the catch-22, Jabcat, is that it's probably the High Fructose Corn Syrup that you're addicted to in cola :dontknow:
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At one time I used to drink six cans of 12oz
old fashioned classic coca colas and eat a half dozen glazed donuts along with it for five or six days every week with few exceptions for years when I drove truck, we never had any time to spare often on some schedules and so I would drink and eat while unloading.
I wieghed 125 lbs when I started driving truck and 30 years later I wieghed the same,
after all that abuse of long working hours, heavy maxed out excess wight permit loads exposed to nasty concentrated toxic chemical cargo loads like formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aqua amonia, chlorine, explosive agents, pesticides, herbicides, petroleum eithers, paint thinners, all that along with an abusive diet I should have looked like a blimp with rotten teeth but that never happened to me, now I've been retired 15 years, almost 70 years old with still good health and the same wieght, And I don't go to doctors, I niether boast nor complain of these things, only stating what has been so appearently God isn't ready for the Angel of the long journey to take me out of this world just yet.
Though I haven't drank a coca cola since I retired, I still drink my share of coffee which I really enjoy a good flavered cup of coffee, especialy in the mornings.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Well, there's something to be said for good genetics, eh?
Quote from: Doc on March 25, 2009, 07:25:48 AM
Quote from: fire walker on March 25, 2009, 06:47:25 AM
Quote from: martincisneros on March 25, 2009, 01:33:48 AM
the catch-22, Jabcat, is that it's probably the High Fructose Corn Syrup that you're addicted to in cola :dontknow:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
At one time I used to drink six cans of 12oz
old fashioned classic coca colas and eat a half dozen glazed donuts along with it for five or six days every week with few exceptions for years when I drove truck, we never had any time to spare often on some schedules and so I would drink and eat while unloading.
I wieghed 125 lbs when I started driving truck and 30 years later I wieghed the same,
after all that abuse of long working hours, heavy maxed out excess wight permit loads exposed to nasty concentrated toxic chemical cargo loads like formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aqua amonia, chlorine, explosive agents, pesticides, herbicides, petroleum eithers, paint thinners, all that along with an abusive diet I should have looked like a blimp with rotten teeth but that never happened to me, now I've been retired 15 years, almost 70 years old with still good health and the same wieght, And I don't go to doctors, I niether boast nor complain of these things, only stating what has been so appearently God isn't ready for the Angel of the long journey to take me out of this world just yet.
Though I haven't drank a coca cola since I retired, I still drink my share of coffee which I really enjoy a good flavered cup of coffee, especialy in the mornings.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Well, there's something to be said for good genetics, eh?
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Well Doc, I had to edit my post, I mis spelled the word ether and also I drank coke and ate the donuts AFTER unloading, not during unloading, that was a no no in those toxic chemical plants and for safety sake rightfuly so , and yes, I enjoy good flavored coffee but I forgot to say just black, no sugar or cream!
Peace,
Fire Walker
Quote from: sparrow on March 25, 2009, 07:23:32 AM
Fire Walker is made of....
STEEL!!!!!!
:laughing7:
:icon_flower:
seriously.
that is really not fair! :grin:
ya got good genes. :thumbsup:
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Made of steel? ( ha ha lol ) reminds me of the spirit that plucked his iron fretters and shackles off and was quickly gone, I don't even know where that account is in the scriptures but I remember reading it one time some where in the bible.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Quote from: fire walker on March 25, 2009, 07:55:58 AM
Quote from: sparrow on March 25, 2009, 07:23:32 AM
Fire Walker is made of....
STEEL!!!!!!
:laughing7:
:icon_flower:
seriously.
that is really not fair! :grin:
ya got good genes. :thumbsup:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Made of steel? ( ha ha lol ) reminds me of the spirit that plucked his iron fretters and shackles off and was quickly gone, I don't even know where that account is in the scriptures but I remember reading it one time some where in the bible.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Reminds me of the comedian who said:
Everyone is talking about health food these days! They talk about the vegetarian diet and this diet and that diet. Well let me tell you, my dad ate whatever he wanted to. He ate the worst foods you could imagine and he lived to the ripe old age of . . .
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45!
Some people live 45 years.
Others die at 90 and haven't lived at all... :laughing7:
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 25, 2009, 03:23:57 PM
Some people live 45 years.
Others die at 90 and haven't lived at all... :laughing7:
I live to die (to self).
My great great grandmother in law was around 105 when she died. She chewed tobacco all her life, ate the greasiest food back with grease was really grease (lard) not any of this hydrogenated crap called Crisco. She was up and walking and had a full life and had her sharp mind as well. She wanted to work. She didn't like being idle.
Quote from: Tony N on March 25, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 25, 2009, 03:23:57 PM
Some people live 45 years.
Others die at 90 and haven't lived at all... :laughing7:
I live to die (to self).
My great great grandmother in law was around 105 when she died. She chewed tobacco all her life, ate the greasiest food back with grease was really grease (lard) not any of this hydrogenated crap called Crisco. She was up and walking and had a full life and had her sharp mind as well. She wanted to work. She didn't like being idle.
Yeah, I believe it. Trouble is, today we have so many (and large quantities of) environmental toxins that just didn't exist or weren't prevalent back then; we're just so constantly bombarded with crap these days, even if we're not putting it in our bodies ourselves.
[quote author=Doc Trouble is, today we have so many (and large quantities of) environmental toxins that just didn't exist or weren't prevalent back then; we're just so constantly bombarded with crap these days, even if we're not putting it in our bodies ourselves.
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That is true Doc, not everyone can see that though, many think the enviroment is either better these days or worse, in some ways it may be better in some ways and worse in others.
Native people in a country drink the water in that country with no adverse health problems to themselves, yet visitors and tourists go to that country and, if they drink
that same local area water become very sick
in some cases even die from fevers or other adverse complications because their body has no immunity to the bacteria in that water as the Natives do.
Hospitals and the medical profession are finding out that there is such a thing as being too sterile and by killing unwanted germs out they also kill the good, the more sterile the enviroment is for prolonged periods of time the less imunity the body has when exposed to the natural enviroment which has both the good and the adverse germs, well anyways God is the one who created the germs, these germs work no ill in those who have inbuilt genitic immunity or have built up a resistance. That is why certain medicines like antibiotics work for a generation or two then lose effectiveness and become harmful rather than benificial. here again is the catch 22 regarding phamacy or mans quest to create a balanced inviroment, in some cases bringing more unbalance than where it was previously, an artficial eviroment verses a natural enviroment which leads to more artificial devisiveness.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Quote from: fire walker on March 25, 2009, 08:59:17 PM
Hospitals and the medical profession are finding out that there is such a thing as being too sterile and by killing unwanted germs out they also kill the good, the more sterile the enviroment is for prolonged periods of time the less imunity the body has when exposed to the natural enviroment which has both the good and the adverse germs, well anyways God is the one who created the germs, these germs work no ill in those who have inbuilt genitic immunity or have built up a resistance.
Indeed. People that wash their hands 50x a day usally are not the most healty...
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 25, 2009, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: fire walker on March 25, 2009, 08:59:17 PM
Hospitals and the medical profession are finding out that there is such a thing as being too sterile and by killing unwanted germs out they also kill the good, the more sterile the enviroment is for prolonged periods of time the less imunity the body has when exposed to the natural enviroment which has both the good and the adverse germs, well anyways God is the one who created the germs, these germs work no ill in those who have inbuilt genitic immunity or have built up a resistance.
Indeed. People that wash their hands 50x a day usally are not the most healty...
Tell that to Tesla, the greatest genius of our time. He was always washing his hands.
There are probiotic soaps for handwashing. Gets you clean, but doesn't compromise good bacteria proportions of your body.
So did Pontius Pilate.
I agree Tesla is a genial band :drummer:
Quote from: martincisneros on March 25, 2009, 10:07:43 PM
There are probiotic soaps for handwashing. Gets you clean, but doesn't compromise good bacteria proportions of your body.
Martin, sorry to hear about your place burning down. Did you lose everything?
When I was one our house burned to the ground. It was in the middle of a cold winter in the country with 9 boys and 3 sisters. Of course I didn't really realize the gravity of the situation.
I didn't know they have probiotic soaps.
I always grimmace when I see commercials touting germ killing crap for toilets etc in the home. And they show a mother and daughter with the mother pusing down on the handle of the toilet to flush it with her foot in obvious horror that, God forbid!, there might be a germ running amock on that handle! O save us oh great corporations from these germs! And they tell us these products kill 99.9% of the germs. Only problem is that the ones not killed get stronger and stronger until there is no longer a defence against them.
People are like sheep. They so easily fall for these brain-washing commercials.
Quote from: Tony N on March 26, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
Martin, sorry to hear about your place burning down. Did you lose everything?
What's odd to me is that some stores that'll carry healthfood stuff have never heard of the probiotic soaps, but others will have quite a few. Yeah, it was about 50/50 on stuff lost. The books, including some UR stuff, particularly bothers me. Don't have copies of Jeremiah White's Restoration of all things or James Riley's Union any more. I lost the old beat up computer that I was still hanging on to because it had most of my artwork on it. Genuinely wasn't sure if it had any malware on it with the way it would act sometimes, so that's why I didn't hook it up to this computer. Losing the artwork, the only copy of MS Word that I had that worked, and my only copy of the song "When God Made You" are the only things that bothered me about losing that computer. But as I was thinking about how to answer your post, I went to YouTube really quick to see if I could find some stuff that I'd lost. And I found one of my favorite songs again that someones done a video for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izbzKArXvcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izbzKArXvcI) And without having to pay for it again, I can probably download the song by itself somewhere at myspace. I'd think of that song every once in a while and would be so chapped that I'd have to pay for a copy again if I wanted to hear it right now. Not trying to be cheap, but after the fire, I've got a notebook of stuff in mind to get.
(http://d.yimg.com/b/util/anysize/200x-1209600,http%3A%2F%2Fd.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fuc%2F20090326%2Flzi090326.gif%3Fx%3D201%26y%3D196%26q%3D85%26sig%3DLBmaj9ZR4PuBpUv4SpkM_Q--)
I've got a few midis that I need to rerecord for this computer. Some clothes, one old jacket that I'm not going to say how much it cost, and about a couple thousand video tapes. Basically, anything that wasn't in a protective covering from water was either trash or I was scrambling to get it to a washer as quickly as possible. A surprising number of video tapes (mostly television stuff) did make it 'cause they were in a giant protective hard plastic tote. Basically anything of me teaching the Word somewhere is completely gone. I'm happy to have gotten out with my cat, my better computer, and a bit more stuff than you'd think. Quite a bit. But most furniture wasn't a good idea to try to bring over to the new place. Computer desk is fine, thankfully. My giant aloe was outside at the time, and in a spot where it wouldn't get overwatered by the firemen, so, it's over here taking in the sounds, some good carbon dioxide, etc.
I'm vegan, so unless anything was where the ceiling caved in, all of my food, even frig stuff, was still unquestionably good. Finally, a lot of stuff that could have been saved wasn't because I just got too tired of carrying stuff over to the new place. So, a lot of China and cookware in the drawer under the stove, etc., that theoretically could still be with me, was just abandoned. What's funny is that the bedrooms were fine. So, I brought a grand king sleep number bed over as well as a twin sized sleep number bed. Living room, bathroom, laundry room, game room, some of the pantry, some storage closets, dining room, some of the kitchen, second living room, and a few other rooms were trashed out by mostly water. It was mainly the exterior of the place, the patio, and the attick that were toast. I heard crackling outside and wondered if it was sleeting/snowing.
Had a peak outside and thought "that's not cool!" got up and put my coat and shoes on, after having just posted something at these boards, and grabbed the lazy cat and stuffed him into his crate, and got out. I grabbed a rather noisy cockatiel's cage as well, so all of us made it out. I now have various sensors and a system in place that would enable me to put anything out in a matter of moments, even if a meteor hit this place. Cat and bird are really really chatty, ordinarily, but neither said anything all night that night. But for a month afterwards they screamed at all hours of the day and night in total trauma. They [oddly enough] got really quiet the very evening that murdering both of them had crossed my mind. They've been back to normal ever since. Chatty, but not that screaming like they've been abandoned, are being murdered, are seeing a murder, are missing Smallville or Doctor Who, or whatever. And they now know what sleep is. But for the longest time, they were wailing like they were in the hands of Jonathan Edwards' angry god.
I'm just thankful. Wish I'd done some things a bit differently now and had incorporated strategies then that I have now that had never occured to me before. I was surprisingly naive about how to do an emergency evac of my own stuff. I think I was mainly still in disbelief that it had happened when I was in my time of transition. I wasn't expecting anything like that to ever happen, so...
talk about being a sheep...
Spring is here and the ice cream shops are open. I've recently been buying small chocolate milk shakes and got to wondering if they have fructose corn syrup in them. I haven't bothered to call McD's or the local ice cream shop to find out. I really wanted one so I went to the store and found a brand of ice cream that didn't have any in it: Bryers natural.
Got some skim milk too.
Poured in the milk, some good globs of chocolate ice cream, some blueberries (frozen), and some nuts and blended it up. Mmmmmm good! I thought about adding some ketchup and mustard but then again I'm just kidding about that.
I bought some sloppy joe sauce in the can to mix with my buffalo burger meat. Man, I can't believe there was only one brand without the fructose corn syrup in it!
Ketchup, unless it's home made, is going to have high fructose corn syrup, or corn syrup, or some ingredient labels will likely say that it's got both. Haven't ever looked over the Ketchup at the healthfood store, though. Might not have a bunch of corn syrups in it. Probably the same cost or more than getting your own tomatoes, perhaps a pinch of garlic powder, pinch of onion powder, and pinch of celery powder, and either a hint of red or white pepper mixed in if you like a pinch of something hot or semi-hot with it and tossing all of this either into a blender or a chopper. If regular ketchup includes vinegar, then maybe experiment with using and not using it when making it.
Martin, I just went to McDonald's web site and my suspicions were confirmed concerning fructose:
"Chocolate Triple Thick® Shake:
Vanilla Reduced Fat Ice Cream: Milk, sugar, cream, nonfat milk solids, corn syrup solids, mono- and diglycerides, guar gum, dextrose, sodium citrate, artificial vanilla flavor, sodium phosphate, carrageenan, disodium phosphate, cellulose gum, vitamin A palmitate.
CONTAINS: MILK.
Chocolate Syrup: High fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, water, cocoa (processed with alkali), natural (vegetable source) and artificial flavors, salt, potassium sorbate (preservative), vanillin (artificial flavor). May contain small amounts of other shake flavors served at the restaurant, including egg ingredients when Egg Nog Shakes are available. "
And from another web site on corn syrup solids I found this:
"Corn syrup, corn syrup solids, and high fructose corn syrup (as well as crystalline fructose) are all made from corn, and bottom line, all are sugar. So, first off, because they're sugar, my opinion is that they are all damaging to your health, just because sugar is so damaging.
"Each of these ingredients will give you cravings for more sugar, and foods that list high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, or fructose as one of their top 4 ingredients are overeating traps. These ingredients actually interfere with a hormone that tells your brain that you're full! Therefore, it's very common to overeat on foods that contain HFCS (or even the latter two)."
Trying to remember a decade ago, or nearly, before I was a vegan and trying to do this without gagging. Almost willing to bet their burgers have this stuff as well. I was eating big macs a couple at a time, minimum. Perhaps hidden as "natural flavoring" since the usage of that term isn't really regulated. Could be the excitotoxin msg or it could be sugar or it could be shaving cream if somebody were ornery enough. :laughing7:
Quote from: martincisneros on March 24, 2009, 05:20:55 PM
I'm glad there's finally some articles out on it. I've been off of that trash for a while and even did some fasting at the time to totally cleanse my body from it and restore insulin sensitivity that might have been lost with that trash. Stevia and agave nectar are better sweeteners and an alternative to regular soda that's better than sex zevia.com (http://www.zevia.com) There are cheaper versions of this kind of soda out there, once you know what you're looking for. But not having tried them, I don't know what they taste like.
Cool! Thanks Martin!
Quote from: martincisneros on March 29, 2009, 01:04:51 AM
Trying to remember a decade ago, or nearly, before I was a vegan and trying to do this without gagging. Almost willing to bet their burgers have this stuff as well. I was eating big macs a couple at a time, minimum. Perhaps hidden as "natural flavoring" since the usage of that term isn't really regulated. Could be the excitotoxin msg or it could be sugar or it could be shaving cream if somebody were ornery enough. :laughing7:
natural flavoring/s is often a pseudonym for MSG. There's a whole list of stuff at mercola of names that hide MSG on labels. Trouble is, some of them
could be MSG, but aren't necessarily.
Quote from: fire walker on March 25, 2009, 06:47:25 AM
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At one time I used to drink six cans of 12oz
old fashioned classic coca colas and eat a half dozen glazed donuts along with it for five or six days every week with few exceptions for years when I drove truck, we never had any time to spare often on some schedules and so I would drink and eat some of it during roadside tire and brake checks and some after unloading at the destination.
I wieghed 125 lbs when I started driving truck and 30 years later I wieghed the same,
after all that abuse of long working hours, heavy maxed out excess wight permited loads, exposed to nasty concentrated toxic chemical cargo loads like formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aqua amonia, chlorine, explosive agents, pesticides, herbicides, petroleum ether spirits, paint thinners, all that along with an abusive diet I should have looked like a blimp with rotten teeth but that never happened to me, now I've been retired 15 years, almost 70 years old with still good health and the same wieght, And I don't go to doctors, I niether boast nor complain of these things, only stating what has been so appearently God isn't ready for Angel of the unmeasured journey to take me out of this world just yet.
Though I haven't drank a coca cola since I retired, I still drink my share of coffee which I really enjoy a good flavered cup of coffee, especialy in the mornings, just black though no sugar or cream.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Fire Walker,
I bet you could really walk on fire and not get burned? :laughing7:
This reminded me of a song I heard, titled, "You Can Quit Smoking But You Are Still Gonna Die". :grin:
CHB
[quote author=CHB
Fire Walker,
I bet you could really walk on fire and not get burned? :laughing7:
This reminded me of a song I heard, titled, "You Can Quit Smoking But You Are Still Gonna Die". :grin:
CHB
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We are all burning in the refiners fire of Gods all consuming love.
Peace,
Fire Walker
I can't avoid those, I been drinking pops all my life, I am still okay
You guys still don't get, you can't control everything, because a healthy man can still die of cancer or hit by a car, no matter how careful you are, you still 100% risk to everything outside the world, even paper can kill you, even fluffy doll can kill you, a man who smoke too much last longer than a man who don't smoke
I have a feeling that God is the one in control of everything, this is why it's their time to die, not other until later, that's how God operation his salvation plan.
Quote from: CHB on March 30, 2009, 08:55:50 PM
At one time I used to drink six cans of 12oz
old fashioned classic coca colas and eat a half dozen glazed donuts along with it for five or six days every week with few exceptions for years when I drove truck, we never had any time to spare often on some schedules and so I would drink and eat some of it during roadside tire and brake checks and some after unloading at the destination.
I wieghed 125 lbs when I started driving truck and 30 years later I wieghed the same,
after all that abuse of long working hours, heavy maxed out excess wight permited loads, exposed to nasty concentrated toxic chemical cargo loads like formaldehyde, carbolic acid, aqua amonia, chlorine, explosive agents, pesticides, herbicides, petroleum ether spirits, paint thinners, all that along with an abusive diet I should have looked like a blimp with rotten teeth but that never happened to me, now I've been retired 15 years, almost 70 years old with still good health and the same wieght, And I don't go to doctors, I niether boast nor complain of these things, only stating what has been so appearently God isn't ready for Angel of the unmeasured journey to take me out of this world just yet.
Though I haven't drank a coca cola since I retired, I still drink my share of coffee which I really enjoy a good flavered cup of coffee, especialy in the mornings, just black though no sugar or cream.
Peace,
Fire Walker
But that was probably when they put real sugar in their Coca Cola rather than all the fake non-sugars today, and real fat in their doughnuts and deep fried their doughnuts in real fat rather than all this hydrogenated garbage.
Normal fats have all their molecules linked together to your body can properly digest it. Hydrogenated fats take a link out here and there and replace those links with a hydrogen molecule. That kind of fat gets in your body and your body wonders what the heck it is. So it lets it go into your blood veins and lets it clog up your arteries.
Quote from: Tony N on March 31, 2009, 04:44:13 PM
But that was probably when they put real sugar in their Coca Cola rather than all the fake non-sugars today, and real fat in their doughnuts and deep fried their doughnuts in real fat rather than all this hydrogenated garbage.
Normal fats have all their molecules linked together to your body can properly digest it. Hydrogenated fats take a link out here and there and replace those links with a hydrogen molecule. That kind of fat gets in your body and your body wonders what the heck it is. So it lets it go into your blood veins and lets it clog up your arteries.
Which in turn, helps the drug companies stay in business by coming up with all sorts of drugs that we "NEED!!!!"
:sigh:
Yes, God... you are right.
We NEED you.
We can't do it without YOU.
We cannot rule ourselves.
WE.NEED.YOU. :HeartThrob:
Yesterday, peanuts were deadly - today it is pistachios. Nothing is safe in this world....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/31/pistachio.caution.salmonella/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Not sure how easy it is to come by Mexican food in other parts of the country, in terms of at the grocery store rather than just at a restaurant. Pretty easy in Texas, but Texas is basically Mexico anyway. Not just historically. Climate, beauty, architecture, the ladies :flowerred: :Evilgrin:, etc. But basically, every grocery store here has a Mexican food isle. And on that isle there's Pepsi and Coke that's imported from Mexico. Real glass bottles and real sugar and not this high fructose corn syrup nonsense. We've got Dr Pepper here that's in real glass bottles and with real sugar rather than high fructose corn syrup, but for some reason, those are about a million dollars for a six pack (not literally, but sheesh!), but depending on where you shop, the bottles of Coke and Pepsi with real sugar can be pretty cheap and can be bought as singles rather than in packs.
For anyone that doesn't know, plastic's sorta worse than the high fructose corn syrup, so that's why the occasional soda that I'll still mess with has got to be in glass. Apparently, the plastic gets into whatever and causes hormonal problems, up to and including cancers. So, just think in terms of plastic as you would of aluminum cans in terms of leeriness of having your drinks and anything else in it. In fact, with all I've been hearing about plastic, the aluminum's probably a teeny bit safer than the plastic 'cause they're at least trying to use special liners in aluminum cans as a protective barrier between either the drink or the food and the aluminum. But then we'll all find out later that those special liners are plastic or petroleum based to where they're essentially plastic, right?
I'm trying to get my bottled water in glass, but that isn't always practical in terms of cost. What I'll probably wind up doing is buying my normal distilled water in plastic and transfering it to glass bottles, and then as soon as I'm satisfied in terms of my research on water distillers, then I'll only have the water distiller I'll buy in my place and pour it straight into glass bottles. Me and my cat blow through so much distilled water, that the plastic issue's possibly almost a nonissue (as far as how long the water is in the plastic), but the length of time between the packaging of the water and getting it to my place and any excessive heat or whatever that it may encounter along the way is a factor or two or three that there's probably not always a lot of control over. With what I know about how inventory is handled....it's amazing that I still buy anything from stores :sigh:
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on April 01, 2009, 02:41:12 AM
Yesterday, peanuts were deadly - today it is pistachios. Nothing is safe in this world....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/31/pistachio.caution.salmonella/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
see, this is exactly what I posted early what i am talking about, there is nothing you can control.
Quote from: IceDash on March 31, 2009, 04:02:14 AM
You guys still don't get, you can't control everything, because a healthy man can still die of cancer or hit by a car, no matter how careful you are, you still 100% risk to everything outside the world, even paper can kill you, even fluffy doll can kill you, a man who smoke too much last longer than a man who don't smoke.
That's not true. The person that had the cancer and thought they were healthy simply wasn't healthy to start with. And with the few exceptions of genetic and environmental factors, most cancers are dietary and attitude. People know if they're healthy or a time bomb on when they'll have more time with doctors than to themselves. People know what they're eating and that exercise and getting enough sleep, which most people aren't even doing anyway, but that exercise and getting enough sleep by itself will only take someone so far. If someone isn't having a bowel movement two to four times a day, then they're medically considered constipated and if they've been that way for years with very very rarely having two to four bowel movements per day, then they're full of poison and are the furthest from healthy.
And the list does go on and on about basic requirements to be considered healthy that most people aren't even trying to fit within the range of with getting enough water each day, etc. So, if someone's not even trying, they can't even try to fool me that they're the least bit healthy just because they're not bleeding to death, being actively treated for something, or full of puss somewhere even if it's just the nose, etc. Health in a western culture is on purpose rather than accidental, natural, or whatever.
yeah but remember even a man who trying to be healthy, drinking water all the time or other thing, you still die anyway, you can't control chaos and life, the only thing is to enjoy your life because you may never know what gotta happen next, like, airplane crash landed on your house and top of you, there is nothing you can do.
Quote from: IceDash
see, this is exactly what I posted early what i am talking about, there is nothing you can control.
Yup, I agree. I just happened upon a bizarre page today while looking for something else on-line. Some of the ways people die really floor me....
http://rhymeculture.wordpress.com/2008/06/
But I'm digressing from the health conscious topic in the header, so I will bow out of the conversation...
Anne
Quote from: IceDash on April 01, 2009, 04:30:22 AM
yeah but remember even a man who trying to be healthy, drinking water all the time or other thing, you still die anyway, you can't control chaos and life, the only thing is to enjoy your life because you may never know what gotta happen next, like, airplane crash landed on your house and top of you, there is nothing you can do.
You can control it with the blessing and the power of the tongue. The weapons of a Christian's warfare didn't cease in the first century and they're not exclusively towards either people or demonic spirits, depending on which Scriptures you're reviewing, whether 2Corinthians 10, Ephesians 6, etc. All things are ours. Nothing comes upon the believer without their permission, even if they didn't know how they yielded permission. I've been having that reminder/scolding the last couple of days from the Holy Spirit about my leg that I allowed to get jacked up with something over the last month. He fills our mouths with good things so that our youth is renewed as the eagle's, according to Psalm 103 and countless other Scriptures. 1Peter 3:9-13
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
The inherited blessing is essentially all power and authority both in heaven and in earth. And you don't die to inherit. Had it been St. Paul that had said this instead of Peter, he'd of used the word "reap." You just plant your seed and let it grow. Or, fast and pray for a crop failure if you've been planting as the world plants:-) Plead the Blood of Jesus on that thing and then start over:-) :cloud9:
Martin,
I'm familiar with those scriptures. And I don't like to argue about stuff. But really I just feel that an awful lot of random bad stuff happens to people - which I admit, does make me question my faith at times.
And I've been to 'name-it-and-claim-it' churches in times past and the thing is, they seem to be oblivious to the story of Job. So I pretty much agree with IceDash - we do not know if tomorrow is ours in this world, but we are not to be afraid of death. I find that more comforting than feeling that I am in control of life's events, quite honestly, because the fact is - we are not in control. All the reasons behind suffering and death in this present evil world are a mystery that is tied into the mystery of iniquity it seems to me. For example, my mother wanted to spend this Easter with me. But her time was up on Feb. 28th 2009. And by the Spirit, she knew her time was short, though she did not know the exact hour of her passing and had hoped to see me once more, but that was not to be.
Anne
Personally, Martin... I disagree with what you are saying. This is a fallen world, which it is supposed to be.
We don't get ill and stay ill because we aren't "pleading the blood" enough or because we don't have enough faith, etc. We are living in this world and bad things happen to ALL people because we are here to learn. To learn what it is like when HUMANS rule theirselves. We are learning what it is like to be apart from God. If bad things only happened to bad people and good things only happened to good people... NONE of this would be real. NONE of what we learn would be REAL. People would only be "good" so good things would happen to them. I have no problem with bad things happening to "good" people and good things happening to "bad" people. It makes perfect sense.
And people get cancer for a LARGE number of reasons. Everything trickles down... that is why there is so much dis-ease in this world. Poisons in the soil, in the water, artificial this and artificial that, all sorts of radio waves in the air, bad air, bad water... it ALL trickles down. We abuse nature... nature starts to breakdown. The breakdown causes disease. All of it.... is part of us humans LEARNING by living in the contrast. How do we know what is righteous and beautiful and true without FIRST understanding what is NOT?
Life makes sense.
I may get cancer someday. Lots of cancer genes in my family.
Is it MY fault? No.
Is it God's fault? No.
It is what it is....
life in this fallen world.
This TEMPORARY fallen world.
Faith isn't believing you won't get ill or something bad WON'T happen to you...
FAITH is knowing, it's going to be ok. Faith is knowing this is temporary... and what get's thrown at us, we can take a deep breath and roll with it knowing this is only for a season.
To me, THAT is what faith is.
Trusting God. NO matter what happens in this life.
Do we get weak and our faith falters? of course, we are human aren't we?
We are here to see just how MUCH we NEED God.
We are here to understand just how RIGHTEOUS and TRUE God is...
We are here in this crazy world for a reason.
With all of it's horrors and atrocities... we are going to be shown that LOVE conquers all.
No matter what.
No matter how horrible or how atrocious we become or this world becomes... LOVE WILL CONQUER it.
We can't slip out of His grasp.. no matter how far down we go.
It is impossible.
He is the good shepherd.
peace.
We have His Word on it that His love will always provide. We're here in this world to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living and to see all of the good things that He's provided for us. This life's about seeing what God's going to do, not about what we're going to do. It's about seeing all that Christ has suffered, not about seeing all that we'll suffer. Nobody's forgotten about Job, the man who feared himself into so many evils, yet whose God was faithful enough to restore absolutely everything to him within a year's time so that he was wealthier after a really bad recession/depression than he'd ever been. And when the story starts, he was the richest man in the East.
Perfect love cast out all fear from his life, and God even saved his friends whose words were seldom more than blasphemy against Him. They saw what God could do in the life of a man that would count it all as a seed, after he stopped feeling sorry for himself, stopped cursing the day of his birth and started rejoicing in the knowledge of the life, power, provision, and resurrection of his Redeemer. That man is given to us as an example in Scripture because he had the keys of the Kingdom as a descendant of Abraham. The book of Job shows us what God can do in the life of someone who walks before Him blamelessly as Abraham did.
My testimony's not changing just because pain relievers, whether prescription or over the counter never work on me and I've been to the screaming point for weeks. Jesus was beaten a beat and bled a drop for every letter of that New Testament. The part of them having beaten Him repeatedly for hours (probably at least 8 when you count out the hours with the details given to us in the Gospels and in the Prophets of the Old Testament forecasting it) for our complete wholeness is the part that seems to always get lost in the sermons and in the perspective of most Christians. Just because that movie ended in two to four hours doesn't mean the pain and bleeding did for Him. I still rejoice in my fellowship, or my part of, what He did at the Cross for my complete wholeness. And I still believe the Holy Spirit is working in me my sanctification from all of my Hell as a result.
Who is this uncircumcised pain to defy the armies of the living God? All of the earth is going to know that Jesus is Lord!!
We just have different perspectives, I suppose.
I stand by what I wrote.
peace to ya, friend.
Quote from: martincisneros on April 01, 2009, 09:11:33 AM
We have His Word on it that His love will always provide. We're here in this world to see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living and to see all of the good things that He's provided for us. This life's about seeing what God's going to do, not about what we're going to do. It's about seeing all that Christ has suffered, not about seeing all that we'll suffer. Nobody's forgotten about Job, the man who feared himself into so many evils, yet whose God was faithful enough to restore absolutely everything to him within a year's time so that he was wealthier after a really bad recession/depression than he'd ever been. And when the story starts, he was the richest man in the East.
Perfect love cast out all fear from his life, and God even saved his friends whose words were seldom more than blasphemy against Him. They saw what God could do in the life of a man that would count it all as a seed, after he stopped feeling sorry for himself, stopped cursing the day of his birth and started rejoicing in the knowledge of the life, power, provision, and resurrection of his Redeemer. That man is given to us as an example in Scripture because he had the keys of the Kingdom as a descendant of Abraham. The book of Job shows us what God can do in the life of someone who walks before Him blamelessly as Abraham did.
My testimony's not changing just because pain relievers, whether prescription or over the counter never work on me and I've been to the screaming point for weeks. Jesus was beaten a beat and bled a drop for every letter of that New Testament. The part of them having beaten Him repeatedly for hours (probably at least 8 when you count out the hours with the details given to us in the Gospels and in the Prophets of the Old Testament forecasting it) for our complete wholeness is the part that seems to always get lost in the sermons and in the perspective of most Christians. Just because that movie ended in two to four hours doesn't mean the pain and bleeding did for Him. I still rejoice in my fellowship, or my part of, what He did at the Cross for my complete wholeness. And I still believe the Holy Spirit is working in me my sanctification from all of my Hell as a result.
Who is this uncircumcised pain to defy the armies of the living God? All of the earth is going to know that Jesus is Lord!!
Hey martin, I alway respect and love you like a brother, I know you want people to understand that blessing from God can sometime help people, but it up to God whatever is good for us, we may never understand God because we can't
The only thing we can understand God is his love, not his plan. If we know his plan, we wouldn't read the bible in the first place lol. :laughing7:
Martin, I am pretty much agreeing with Ice Dash, sparrow and Anne here and I hear what you are saying, no my faith is not weakened in my human frailities, when I am weak he is strong, I love you as a brother in the Lord so remember that.
We still live in a world where the sun shines on all men alike and it rains on all men alike and the last time I remember Jesus said that the kingdom of Heaven was NOT OF this world, we are in the world but not of the world , because this world is our temporary home, other wise we would be given flesh and blood bodies that would not age, would never die and just live in this world forever, even the ones they say never died like Eliga are still not in this world in an earthly body, he was lifted up to glory without passing through the grave.
If we are supposed to make this world our permanent home and forget we are mortal flesh and blood what would be the reason for seeking God? The world already tried that at Babylon, there was nothing man could not do and so God had to bring the high towers and strong holds of Babylon down and humble man and confuse his language so that there was no place or any one to turn to but him, the only thing we have in this world that is in heaven is love, his love for us and our love toward one another because it isn't corrupted by rust, isn't eaten by moths and thieves can not break in and steal it, last time I checked this world still has rust, it still has moths that eat away at things and there are and always have been thieves in this world, these things are OF THIS world not the kingdom of heaven.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Quote from: IceDash on April 01, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
The only thing we can understand God is his love, not his plan. If we know his plan, we wouldn't read the bible in the first place lol. :laughing7:
The Bible IS HIS PLAN. His promises aren't yes and no. And because we're not of this world as someone else said, we're not supposed to be conformed to it as some people are suggesting. We're the incorruption in this world through His Word. The Bible is His Blood Sworn Oath. When will people ever get it??????? And why do I bother any more???????????? We have His Word!!!!!!!
Anyway, that was my last post. Hope someone someday gets it. I love all of y'all :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: I'm going to go and enjoy God's bond for the rest of the night.
Quote from: martincisneros on April 01, 2009, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: IceDash on April 01, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
The only thing we can understand God is his love, not his plan. If we know his plan, we wouldn't read the bible in the first place lol. :laughing7:
The Bible IS HIS PLAN. His promises aren't yes and no. And because we're not of this world as someone else said, we're not supposed to be conformed to it as some people are suggesting. We're the incorruption in this world through His Word. The Bible is His Blood Sworn Oath. When will people ever get it??????? And why do I bother any more???????????? We have His Word!!!!!!!
lol, that's not what I meant about the bible, we know God's plan of salvation, but I am talking the secret plan of God that cannot reveal to human but only to Jesus and his father, even paul said he cannot fully know everything but follow his love and commandent, we do have his word but I am not talking about his word or bible, God put the bible and his word to teach us but he will not reveal his plan until God come back and he said "Here I show you my final plan, to save you all and you will know I will not punish you harsh as you think I might do, I came here to restore you all" this is why when people saw Jesus coming in a cloud, they have tear, could be both, tear of joy or fear, joy for those who know God very well and fear for those who know God very well and his hellfire plan (that why they hide in the mountain from God, thinking that God came to kill them)
I am not perfect but we know God's word but sadly, not even 87% of the world know God's word and his plan because of poor people, communist county, you should know better than that. those poor people don't even know who is God (they can't deny God if they never heard of him, so it impossible to call that anti-christ or ahiest)
God has no plan that isn't within the Scriptures. All of it is plainly written. All of it. Anyway, after my last post, I shut the computer down and it was the only light in the room at the time. A little after 2am here when that happened. As it suddenly got dark in here, I sensed Someone walking towards me and my leg was instantly healed. No pain since then, and I fully intend to go jogging today for a few hours. Completely healed. Did some squats with weights and just played for a while with my rambunctious cat. No pain. :icon_king:
Much more those who receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness (which is the Written Word) shall reign in this life by Christ Jesus. (Romans 5:17) Reigning in life by Christ Jesus is reigning in life with the full support of the Written Word and His High Priestly ministry. Anyway, Holy Spirit just interrupted telling me clearly to "RUN!" So, I'm off for a very goooood day. :HeartThrob:
NO MORE PAIN and my face can't contain the grin. I knew it all this time that Jesus had taken care of this on the Cross. The mystery hidden from ages and generations is now plainly revealed!!