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Discussions Relating to Universal Reconciliation => Lounge => Topic started by: micah7:9 on July 12, 2015, 07:25:13 PM

Title: adversary
Post by: micah7:9 on July 12, 2015, 07:25:13 PM
1Ki 11:14  And the LORD stirred up an adversary[satan] unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
Adversary H7854 שָׂטָן śâṭân  an opponent

1Ch 21:1  And Satan[adversary] stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
satan H7854 שָׂטָן śâṭân  an opponent

Wondering as I have for several years why the translators picked and chose how some words would be offered. In a real sense, in my opinion, this was done to create understanding or misunderstanding.

Knowing that the Lord is at work in all of this, yet (imo) personifying the adversary [which is very real] has produced stories, myths, and fables, just as the word "hell" has misled and of course "Lucifer."

When reading my KJV that without lexicons, concordance, and a dictionary that searching, digging, and mining is troubling to say the least.

In my opinion, translating the adversary as a proper noun has created a natural/carnal imagination that excites, rather than help to discern just what the opponent is and does.
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Title: Re: adversary
Post by: Lazarus Short on July 13, 2015, 12:27:24 AM
Yes, a few hours with a concordance can certainly change your theology!  Maybe from this  :punish: to this  :gimmefive:

The conventional Satan/Lucifer/devil is about as unsupportable as the conventional Hell/Hades/Infernum.

I noted in my "Heaven, yes - Hell, no" investigation of the book of Job, that Satan did NOT ask God if he could drag Job down to Hell.  Now what kind of lapse is that?  Lots of folks would tell you that that is what Satan wants to do all the time to everyone.  Oh, maybe there was no Hell to drag Job down to?  Maybe Satan is only the Prince of Heck...
Title: Re: adversary
Post by: joeteekay on July 13, 2015, 01:08:22 AM
Good one Laz.  :nod:
Title: Re: adversary
Post by: micah7:9 on July 13, 2015, 03:01:28 AM
 :thumbsup:Laz
Title: Re: adversary
Post by: Lazarus Short on July 13, 2015, 04:21:44 AM
THX!  :declare:
Title: Re: adversary
Post by: Seth on July 13, 2015, 07:51:32 PM
 :laughing7:  :iagree: