Why the "covenant of grace" is better than the "covenant of law"
The covenant of law reveals what the (our) flesh is (unrighteous) and does (sins)
The covenant of grace reveals what the (His) Spirit is (righteous) and does (loves)
If we love we do not sin; if we love we are righteous; if we love we are not of the flesh
The covenant of law only imparts a knowledge and surface (outer) understanding of sin,
where as
The covenant of grace not only imparts a knowledge and inner understanding of sin (the forgiveness of it because He loves us) but also imparts a knowledge and inner understanding of love which brings to life His Spirit in us so we now have an ability to love as He loves
The covenant of law (our tutor) only taught us what sin is, but it could not teach us what love is or how to love
The covenant of grace (Christ) not only teaches us what love is it also imparts His ability to love unto us so we can love others with His love
How do we show love to others, the same way He showed it to us, the forgiveness of sins
:HeartThrob: Reminded me of 2cor 5
11Therefore, since we know what it means to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is clear to God, and I hope it is clear to your conscience as well. 12We are not commending ourselves to you again.
Instead, we are giving you an occasion to be proud of us, so that you can answer those who take pride in appearances rather than in the heart.
13If we are out of our mind, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you.
For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died.
And He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died for them and was raised again.
So from now on we regard no one according to the flesh. Although we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.
The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
All this is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men's trespasses against them.
And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 Therefore we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making His appeal through us.
We implore you on behalf of Christ:
Be reconciled to God.
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. :thumbsup:
It's true! :iagree: Jugghead..
...also, I was thinking while reading, "He loves" and love redeems - forgives, calls, corrects and establishes. A road of learning, yet it is all grace. How wise He is!!
And love does not fail. We shall be like Him, when we (finally) see Him as He is.
"Love is the fulfilling of the law."
"The fruit of the Spirit is love.. (joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ's have crucified the flawed nature of its flawed desires.. such as provoking one another, envying one another." - Galatians 5:22-24,26
Love keeps our eyes upon Him. Law puts our gaze upon self. "Let thine eye be single."
Galatians chapter five is the, or one of the, great chapters of law vs grace. "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, you shall love your fellow person as your self" vs 14 ...shall love.. shall love our fellow person..
And "love" makes sense of the parable of the unjust steward! It's love that makes the steward welcome to friends and acquaintances when he finds himself tossed out on his butt.. out into the street jobless.. If he's been a loveless jerk, he's sure to be completely on his own!
Very nice post! Inspiring.. I love to ruminate about God/Love! His kingdom will never end" - Luke 1:33.
Amen Rose!! :HeartThrob: :thumbsup:
Quote from: jugghead on October 04, 2016, 02:10:25 AM
The covenant of law (our tutor) only taught us what sin is, but it could not teach us what love is or how to love
The covenant of grace (Christ) not only teaches us what love is it also imparts His ability to love unto us so we can love others with His love
How do we show love to others, the same way He showed it to us, the forgiveness of sins
Couple of key points. :thumbsup:
Explains why the Jews had to demonstrate by their actions that just the law make us love. See that where some bosses do stuff that is completely legal, but does not encourage anyone to enjoy their job.
The same boss, if he were to be an encourager would have a more fruitful workplace.
Sporting teams that play by the rules, but do not respect each other, are not as productive as the one that is good and helps a team mate without thinking of himself first.
As Marie mentioned; Love is the fulfilment of the law. {Romans 13;10}
Also talked about in I John.
1 John 3;14 " WE know that we have passed from death to life because we love the brethren.
Whoever does not love remains in the realm of death."
1 John 3;23 " This is His commandment;
that we believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another."
1 John 4.7 " Little children let us love on another, for love comes from God,
and everyone who loves has been born of God, and knows God."
1 John 4;12 " No one has ever seen God.
If we love one another God lives in us and His love has achieved it's goal in us."
Seems to be pointing to that concept of love; true love.
:doh: :doh:
Amazing the little errors in sentence construction;
" Explains why the Jews had to demonstrate by their actions that just the law make us love."
Should read;
Explains why the Jews demonstrated by their actions that just obeying the law does NOT make us love others.
Nor does that just being obedient develop deep loving bonding.
We have examples of that when a country has been invaded and has to be obedient as slaves. They obey the law, but underneath want to be freed.
Amen !!!
Examine Yourselves
...7 Now we pray to God that you will not do anything wrong—not that we will appear to have stood the test, :iagree:
but that you will do what is right,
even if we appear to have failed. :dontknow: GOD KNOWS !
8For we cannot do anything against the truth, bold statement , fighting against the Truth is never a good thing to do , but fruitless and futile .
but only for the truth. :dsunny:
9In fact, we rejoice when we are weak but you are strong, and our prayer is for your perfection....
a genuine LOVE OF GOD for others that desire for all to have the same truth and grace God has blessed His presence with
for the better and not for the worse in coming together by Christ in our midst ....
To Marie and Ross ..... Thank you so much Marie for bringing up "Love is the fulfillment of the Law" and Ross for being the second witness
This is what most Christians do not understand, that rather than having to remember and try to obey the over 600 laws .... all we have to do is remember just one ..... "LOVE"
When the eyes are focused on the law they are not focused (looking at) Christ and that is the tragedy.
Since Christ is the perfect representation of "The forgiveness of sins" that is the true Son of Love/God/Father for love gives birth to forgiveness
Bless you all brothers and sisters in Christ
Let me be the third....absolutely.....love is the fulfillment of the Law.
Jesus had to come and live and die and rise as one of us, yet as the Son of God, to show us that the Law could convict us, but His great Love could save us. It was in His sacrifice we saw the Law being fulfilled.
The Law convicts, but the Gospel saves.
Uplifting post. Thank you, jugghead.
D.
As Jugghead read the quotes from Rose
From Paul, whom Christ he won
Deep inside the heart of Jugghead
A stirring had begun
Then sister Marie and brother Ross
Spoke more words in love
The well now overflowing
Like rain falling from above
Then Dandelion spoke again these words
Love fulfilled the law
The sacrifice upon that hill
It is finished ..... and we saw
Although he's never seen their faces
Their hearts are seen each day
Through the eyes Christ Jesus
The Life, the Truth, the Way
Joy and peace and patience
These seeds are meant to grow
In our heavenly garden
Each assigned a row
In spring we plant, in summer they grow
In fall we have the harvest
To those who still refuse to see
Their distance is the farthest
So with some tech from today
He types these words that rhyme
A testimony for the seeds to come
A testimony for all time
:dsunny: :friendstu:
Quote from: jugghead on October 04, 2016, 02:10:25 AM
Why the "covenant of grace" is better than the "covenant of law"
The covenant of law reveals what the (our) flesh is (unrighteous) and does (sins)
The covenant of grace reveals what the (His) Spirit is (righteous) and does (loves)
If we love we do not sin; if we love we are righteous; if we love we are not of the flesh
The covenant of law only imparts a knowledge and surface (outer) understanding of sin,
where as
The covenant of grace not only imparts a knowledge and inner understanding of sin (the forgiveness of it because He loves us) but also imparts a knowledge and inner understanding of love which brings to life His Spirit in us so we now have an ability to love as He loves
The covenant of law (our tutor) only taught us what sin is, but it could not teach us what love is or how to love
The covenant of grace (Christ) not only teaches us what love is it also imparts His ability to love unto us so we can love others with His love
How do we show love to others, the same way He showed it to us, the forgiveness of sins
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jugghead on October 05, 2016, 12:40:39 AM
As Jugghead read the quotes from Rose
From Paul, whom Christ he won
Deep inside the heart of Jugghead
A stirring had begun
Then sister Marie and brother Ross
Spoke more words in love
The well now overflowing
Like rain falling from above
Then Dandelion spoke again these words
Love fulfilled the law
The sacrifice upon that hill
It is finished ..... and we saw
Although he's never seen their faces
Their hearts are seen each day
Through the eyes Christ Jesus
The Life, the Truth, the Way
Joy and peace and patience
These seeds are meant to grow
In our heavenly garden
Each assigned a row
In spring we plant, in summer they grow
In fall we have the harvest
To those who still refuse to see
Their distance is the farthest
So with some tech from today
He types these words that rhyme
A testimony for the seeds to come
A testimony for all time
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: awesome! very nicely written! :dsunny:
And so many great verses (and posts).. and here's a verse I read today i just had to come and post..
Luke 18:9 -
Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous (the Law) and despised others:faint: : 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.' 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. ...verily I say to you, Whoever may not receive the reign of God as a little child (humbly, and in simplicity? etc) may not enter into it." - Luke18:10-14,17
....trusted in themselves that they were righteous
and despised others..
Quote from: marie glen on October 05, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: jugghead on October 05, 2016, 12:40:39 AM
As Jugghead read the quotes from Rose
From Paul, whom Christ he won
Deep inside the heart of Jugghead
A stirring had begun
Then sister Marie and brother Ross
Spoke more words in love
The well now overflowing
Like rain falling from above
Then Dandelion spoke again these words
Love fulfilled the law
The sacrifice upon that hill
It is finished ..... and we saw
Although he's never seen their faces
Their hearts are seen each day
Through the eyes Christ Jesus
The Life, the Truth, the Way
Joy and peace and patience
These seeds are meant to grow
In our heavenly garden
Each assigned a row
In spring we plant, in summer they grow
In fall we have the harvest
To those who still refuse to see
Their distance is the farthest
So with some tech from today
He types these words that rhyme
A testimony for the seeds to come
A testimony for all time
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: awesome! very nicely written! :dsunny:
And so many great verses (and posts).. and here's a verse I read today i just had to come and post..
Luke 18:9 - Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous (the Law) and despised others:faint: : 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.' 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. ...verily I say to you, Whoever may not receive the reign of God as a little child (humbly, and in simplicity? etc) may not enter into it." - Luke18:10-14,17
....trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others..
So beautiful !!!! :HeartThrob: AMEN THANK YOU MARIE :dsunny: GLORY TO GOD!!!
Just a few points concerning covenants and in reference to Juggheads first post. A covenant is an agreement between two parties, it is a contract. The old covenant failed because of the people, the nation of Isael. The new covenant will be better because that same nation will be given a heart of obedience.
The bible does not mention a covenant of grace or a covenant of law. The question is: are the Elect of God under any covenant, albeit the new covenant or a non-defined covenant of grace.
I have come to the opinion that we are not under any covenant. We are under grace and grace does not require any covenant or contract. We are drawn to Christ by the Father (John6:44) and not of our own choosing or volition. The book of Hebrews was written to the houses of Israel and Judah, not specifically for the nations (the uncircumcision). It is from the nations from whom are drawn to be Christians. Of course that does not exclude the Jews who are chosen to be a part of the body of Christ in this age. The Apostle Paul wrote to the uncircumcision, the Ecclesia, not to the physically circumcised (Israel and Judah). IMO the new covenant was brought in when Jesus died on the cross and will reach its full fulfilment the millennium.
Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb_8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Quote from: joeteekay on October 07, 2016, 03:21:27 AM
Just a few points concerning covenants and in reference to Juggheads first post. A covenant is an agreement between two parties, it is a contract. The old covenant failed because of the people, the nation of Isael. The new covenant will be better because that same nation will be given a heart of obedience.
The bible does not mention a covenant of grace or a covenant of law. The question is: are the Elect of God under any covenant, albeit the new covenant or a non-defined covenant of grace.
I have come to the opinion that we are not under any covenant. We are under grace and grace does not require any covenant or contract. We are drawn to Christ by the Father (John6:44) and not of our own choosing or volition. The book of Hebrews was written to the houses of Israel and Judah, not specifically for the nations (the uncircumcision). It is from the nations from whom are drawn to be Christians. Of course that does not exclude the Jews who are chosen to be a part of the body of Christ in this age. The Apostle Paul wrote to the uncircumcision, the Ecclesia, not to the physically circumcised (Israel and Judah). IMO the new covenant was brought in when Jesus died on the cross and will reach its full fulfilment the millennium.
Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb_8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
:thumbsup: :dsunny:
the new covenant is going to be spiritual the old was proving the test there was NO MAN Righteous no not one
Saying the new covenant with Christ blood does not exist is dangerous
Quote from: micah7:9 on October 07, 2016, 04:43:19 AM
Quote from: joeteekay on October 07, 2016, 03:21:27 AM
Just a few points concerning covenants and in reference to Juggheads first post. A covenant is an agreement between two parties, it is a contract. The old covenant failed because of the people, the nation of Isael. The new covenant will be better because that same nation will be given a heart of obedience.
The bible does not mention a covenant of grace or a covenant of law. The question is: are the Elect of God under any covenant, albeit the new covenant or a non-defined covenant of grace.
I have come to the opinion that we are not under any covenant. We are under grace and grace does not require any covenant or contract. We are drawn to Christ by the Father (John6:44) and not of our own choosing or volition. The book of Hebrews was written to the houses of Israel and Judah, not specifically for the nations (the uncircumcision). It is from the nations from whom are drawn to be Christians. Of course that does not exclude the Jews who are chosen to be a part of the body of Christ in this age. The Apostle Paul wrote to the uncircumcision, the Ecclesia, not to the physically circumcised (Israel and Judah). IMO the new covenant was brought in when Jesus died on the cross and will reach its full fulfilment the millennium.
Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb_8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
:thumbsup: :dsunny:
The new covenant is going to be spiritual the
old was proving the test there was NO MAN Righteous no not one none understood by the carnal mindset Gods ways , so many proofs in the bible it is evident in my opinion in Adam all have died ,in Adam all die , in Adam all will die as liars and thieves and beasts and murderers this is a continuance thing going on this mark is of the earthly and sensual nature and is devilish wisdom .
The Lamb of God was the perfect sacrifice of Gods own doing .
Saying the new covenant with Christ blood is not in effect is in dangerous error in my opinion , it even speaks of spitting on the covenant of grace IS crucify Christ a fresh and putting Him to an open shame ...
Jesus own words are
IF you keep my commandments , that sounds like an agreement between to parties to me ...
and what of the spewing you out of my mouth in Rev 3 and Paul's warning of being counted a castaway ?Paul's message is clear that the Old Law has been replaced by the New Covenant as Jesus Christ being KING AND LORD AND MASTER and having the preeminence in everything ......
To many things prove the grace of God is sufficient for the new and inner man, spiritual being put to the test The Christ is with them and their helper , the Spirit is willing and yet the flesh is weak , we can see that letting the outer man rule and have the upper hand is a bad thing and still under the law and covenant of sin , great error and death ...
Jesus spoke to the natural man , looking for some fruit , this being repentance , as a change of mind and heart desiring spiritual things , for healing them , some kind of spiritual rising up in faith to the occasion and showing some works , dead as they were they were trying to believe God as True !!
Hebrews 6 Hebrews 6 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
6 Wherefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Christ, unto the perfectio
n we may advance, not again a foundation laying of reformation from dead works, and of faith on God,2
of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on also of hands, of rising again also of the dead, and of judgment age-during,3 and this we will do, if God may permit,
4 for [it is] impossible for those once enlightened,
having tasted also of the heavenly gift, and partakers having became of the Holy Spirit,5 and did taste the good saying of God, the powers also of the coming age,
6 and having fallen away, again to renew [them] to reformation, having crucified again to themselves the Son of God, and exposed to public shame.
7 For earth, that is drinking in the rain many times coming upon it, and is bringing forth herbs fit for those because of whom also it is dressed, doth partake of blessing from God,
8 and that which is bearing thorns and briers [is] disapproved of, and nigh to cursing, whose end [is] for burning;
9 and we are persuaded, concerning you, beloved, the things that are better, and accompanying salvation, though even thus we speak,
10 for God is not unrighteous to forget your work, and the labour of the love, that ye shewed to His name, having ministered to the saints and ministering;
11 and we desire each one of you the same diligence to shew, unto the full assurance of the hope unto the end,
12 that ye may not become slothful, but followers of those who through faith and patient endurance are inheriting the promises.
13 For to Abraham God, having made promise, seeing He was able to swear by no greater, did swear by Himself,
14 saying, `Blessing indeed I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee;'
15 and so, having patiently endured, he did obtain the promise;
16
for men indeed do swear by the greater, and an end of all controversy to them for confirmation [is] the oath,
17 in which God, more abundantly willing to shew to the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, did interpose by an oath,
18 that through two immutable things, in which [it is] impossible for God to lie, a strong comfort we may have who did flee for refuge to lay hold on the hope set before [us],
19 which we have, as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and entering into that within the vail,20 whither a forerunner for us did enter -- Jesus, after the order of Melchisedek chief priest having become -- to the age.
Just some thoughts it is not as easy as one thinks it is the Lord whom removed the veil though His own flesh and gives us access to the Holy Things of God ,
of the same SWORD/WORD OF THE SPIRIT can keep us from it [ Gen 3 .... 24 yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and
the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life.
Exodus 19:...7 So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the LORD had commanded him. 8 All the people answered together and said, "All that the LORD has spoken we will do!" And Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.
I think these verses explain the first covenant, that it depended on the people fulfilling it's requirements themselves. Of course they failed, which was to prove they couldn't do it.
The second covenant was God's promise to do it for us.
Jeremiah 31:...32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."...
This is a way better covenant than the first but most people don't understand it and are still looking at themselves to do it instead of understanding that God has promised to do it for us and for every last person that was ever born.
I agree. And I think the way God does it for us is by planting love in our hearts.
"Love does no ill to its neighbor" not because of the law but because it is love.
"A new commandment i give to you, love one another" because this is the command that fulfills ALL commands
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no Law.
It is the fruit of the Spirit, rather than the law now- because I have died. It is Christ living in me. And He has an abundance of love :o)
AMEN!!!!!!! Bushy and EaglesWay !!
what we could not do by the weakness of the flesh !Romans 8
Living in the Spirit of Christ and this anointing of the Holy Spirit with the gifts of healing and Life in them .
...2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.
He thus condemned sin in the flesh,
4so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit....
This is the finished work of the Cross , the error or sin in the flesh is already judged as useless and fruitless works .
and we must bow the knee to Christ as our King and Savior to be redeemed from the earth and those Living works of the Holy Spirit might be fulfilled in us in my opinion ..
Quote from: eaglesway on October 07, 2016, 09:24:10 PM
I agree. And I think the way God does it for us is by planting love in our hearts.
"Love does no ill to its neighbor" not because of the law but because it is love.
"A new commandment i give to you, love one another" because this is the command that fulfills ALL commands
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no Law.
It is the fruit of the Spirit, rather than the law now- because I have died. It is Christ living in me. And He has an abundance of love :o)
:thumbsup: EW. Excellent selection of relevant scriptures.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Yes.
Sin will no longer have dominion over us, because love will. :)
1 John 4:7-8, Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
A beautiful, uplifting thread.
Thank you, all!
D. :dsunny:
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"A beautiful, uplifting thread.." (Sister D.)
Amen! to that!
Bushy's post! ..Rose's description of the flawed nature! ..the "beastly one"..
And it all ends up at,
Quote from: eaglesway on October 08, 2016, 12:16:13 AM
Yes.
Sin will no longer have dominion over us, because love will. :)
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..."for all of us.."
I read a kool thing the other day which reminded me of this thread, that instead of going about trying to build a bridge to God (reconciliation) we should just get on the bridge He built..
:mlaugh: I thought that was excellent!
Have been busy the last few days and just got back on to read the posts (from 17 on)
Love the treasures everyone is bringing out of their storehouse, it is only because of the work of Christ IN US that these treasures can and
are being manifest
Talk about a perfect example of the word coming to life
Love you all brothers and sisters, WE ARE ONE IN CHRIST
AMEN MARIE ,
JUGGHEAD , ALL :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
JACOB saw the ladder many angels / messenger of God would rise and fall ascend and descend upon !
this ladder is the Son of Man and the Son of God the great gulf fixed none will go to the FATHER except by HIM
GEN 28 Jacob's Ladder
...11He came to a certain place and spent the night there, because the sun had set; and he took one of the stones of the place and put it under his head, and lay down in that place.
12He had a dream, and behold, a ladder was set on the earth with its top reaching to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
13And behold, the LORD stood above it and said, "I am the LORD, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie, I will give it to you and to your descendants.... NOT THE GOD OF THE DEAD BUT THE LIVING GOD!!
OUR inheritance is Spiritual and the gifts come though the HOLY SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND SON AND ALL WITH HIM gathered already LIVING ACTIVE AND BREATHING THE BREATH OF LIFE into our being doing the Holy works in us from the foundation of the world ,,,
IT SURE IS ABOUT FOLLOWING JESUS AND SEEING JESUS !! JOHN 1 Jesus Calls Philip and Nathanael
43The next day Jesus decided to set out for Galilee. Finding Philip, He told him, "Follow Me." 44Now Philip was from Bethsaida, the same town as Andrew and Peter.
45Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the One Moses wrote about in the Law, the One whom the prophets foretold—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
46"Can anything good come from Nazareth?" Nathanael asked.
"Come and see," said Philip.
47When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, He said of him, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is no deceit."
48"How do You know me?" Nathanael asked.
Jesus replied, "Before Philip called you, I saw you under the fig tree."
49"Rabbi," Nathanael answered, "You are the Son of God! You are King of Israel!"
50Jesus said to him, "Do you believe just because I told you I saw you under the fig tree?
You will see greater things than these." 51Then He declared, "Truly, truly, I say to all of you that you will see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
FULFILLING ALL THINGS BY HIS SPIRIT OF LIFE BY THE WORD OF LIFE moving in and though us living beings .... :HeartThrob:
Ezek 1 Vision of the Four Wheels
14And the living beings ran to and fro like bolts of lightning. 15Now as I looked at the living beings, behold, there was one wheel on the earth beside the living beings, for each of the four of them. 16The appearance of the wheels and their workmanship was like sparkling beryl, and all four of them had the same form, their appearance and workmanship being as if one wheel were within another....
Anyone wonder what the cherubims of GODS GLORY are above the mercy seat Paul could not discuss in his written account at the time , but would come by the revealing of Jesus Christ testimony being by the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY and the fulfilling all things are about in Hebrews 9
The Earthly Tabernacle
...4 containing the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant.
Inside the ark were the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.
5Above the ark were the cherubim of glory, overshadowing the mercy seat.
But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
6When everything had been prepared in this way, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to perform their sacred duties....
It is so perfect we will share this also !!!!7 but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing, 9 which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, 10 since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant,
so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.
17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.
18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood.
19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
20 saying, "This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you." 21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23 Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself,
now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world;
but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.\ \
OH blessed is He whom dies in the Lord from now on !!! REV 14 The Three Angels and Babylon's Fall.........
...12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, "Blessed are the dead — those who die in the Lord from this moment on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit,
"- they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them."
14And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand....
HIS CREATION IS BEING SET FREE ! THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE from the labours of fruitless and futile doings of the vanities of men worship and worship of angels , messengers and the power of darkness into the Light and Life in the liberty of being the sons of God doing those living works as wheels within the wheels as lightning flashes to and fro quickening in the SPIRIT OF LIFE of those dead bodies of darkness give the Light of Life , being the Christ in you and giving the life giving gift of light to men ..........
JOHN 12
If I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto ME [LIGHT TO SHINE OUT OF THE DARKNESS ] AS GODS WISDOM IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF HIM ] DAN12
23But Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
24Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
SAME FOR US ALSO FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST INTO DEATH , WHEN IT DIES THE SEED / WORD OF GOD WILL BEAR MUCH FRUIT TO HONOR GOD THE HOLY FATHER ALSO BY THE SPIRIT OF LIFE NOW WORKING IN AND THOUGH YOU !!!!!
25Whoever loves his life will lose it, but whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, My servant will be as well. If anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.
27Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save Me from this hour'? No, it is for this purpose that I have come to this hour. 28Father, glorify Your name!"
Then a voice came from heaven: "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again."
29The crowd standing there heard it and said it had thundered. Others said that an angel had spoken to Him.
30In response, Jesus said, "This voice was not for My benefit, but yours.
31Now judgment is upon this world; now the prince of this world will be cast out.
32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." 33He said this to signify the kind of death He was going to die.
34The crowd replied, "We have heard from the Law that Christ will remain forever. So how can you say that the Son of Man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man?"
35So Jesus told them, "For a little while longer, the Light will be among you. Walk while you have the Light, so that darkness will not overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. 36While you have the Light, believe in the Light, so that you may become sons of light."
After Jesus had spoken these things, He went away and hid Himself from them.
Daniel 12 THIS WORD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT being fulfilled at the resurrection of Jesus Christ IS RISEN , that was and is and will be so AMEN!!
THE LIGHT AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD WILL SHINE FORTH and shall be 7 times brighter than the SUN /SON Isaiah 30 God's Mercies
...25On every lofty mountain and on every high hill there will be streams running with water on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
26The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the LORD binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted.
27Behold, the name of the LORD comes from a remote place; Burning is His anger and dense is His smoke; His lips are filled with indignation And His tongue is like a consuming fire;...
Those in the darkness will see the Light and those in the Light will increase by the 7 eyes and 7 Spirits of GODS SPIRIT THE LAMB REV5
The Branch
8'Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch. 9'For behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,' [/b]declares the LORD of hosts, 'and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10'In that day,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'every one of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and under his fig tree.'"
THE seven seals open and the 7s will fulfill the desTRUCTION of Babylon in ONE DAY!! AND THE INSTRUCTION OF THE LORD WILL FULFILL ALL TRUTH BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING ... Revelation 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb who appeared to have been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the sevenfold Spirit of God sent out into all the earth.
Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
Jeremiah 31:34
"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Jeremiah 50:20
'In those days and at that time,' declares the LORD, 'search will be made for the iniquity of Israel, but there will be none; and for the sins of Judah, but they will not be found; for I will pardon those whom I leave as a remnant.'
Zechariah 3:4
He spoke and said to those who were standing before him, saying, "Remove the filthy garments from him." Again he said to him, "See, I have taken your iniquity away from you and will clothe you with festal robes."
Zechariah 4:10
"For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel-- these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth."
John 4 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.
24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth."... setting those free from the filth of lies and dragons flood the earth swallowed up to help the woman that must be removed by the fire of His coming as Babylons falling in ONE DAY within us all .......THE DAY OF THE LORD
REV1 9I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance that are in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and my testimony about Jesus. 10On the Lord's day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."...
explains what to look for and experience with the brightness of His coming ... tearing down the strongholds and setting the prisoners/captives free from this captivity , the TRUTH SETS US FREE from the lies and filth of the flesh mixing and deathly wisdom the whole wold lies in that wickedness ....
Don't know if others have seen the glory of our Lord in a clock, (Which can be one perception of a wheel inside a wheel .....
The second hand is one wheel, constantly moving, Love has to constantly move
it causes the minute hand to move, Love causes compassion to move in us
the minute hand causes the hour hand to move, compassion causes forgiveness to move in us
if any one of these stop moving ..... it all comes to a stop
The face (identity) of the clock (Christ) is Love itself, it starts with Love and ends with Love .... but in actuality no beginning and no end since He has always been and always will be
What the mind may perceive as "time" ..... I see as "movement within a state of existence" with that state of existence being His kingdom .... His kingdom of Love .... We become Love, living in a kingdom of Love, constantly being moved by compassion in order to manifest forgiveness in this world of hatred caused by ignorance of truth ..... the truth of Love
WHAT AN INHERITANCE
Glory to Him by whom are all things ... from whom are all things ... for whom are all things
Quote from: jugghead on October 12, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Don't know if others have seen the glory of our Lord in a clock, (Which can be one perception of a wheel inside a wheel .....
The second is one wheel, constantly moving, Love has to constantly move
it causes the minute hand to move, Love causes compassion to move in us
the minute hand causes the hour hand to move, compassion causes forgiveness to move in us
if any one of these stop moving ..... it all comes to a stop
The face (identity) of the clock (Christ) is Love itself, it starts with Love and ends with Love .... but in actuality no beginning and no end since He has always been and always will be
What the mind may perceive as "time" ..... I see as "movement within a state of existence" with that state of existence being His kingdom .... His kingdom of Love .... We become Love, living in a kingdom of Love, constantly being moved by compassion in order to manifest forgiveness in this world of hatred caused by ignorance of truth ..... the truth of Love
WHAT AN INHERITANCE
Glory to Him by whom are all things ... from whom are all things ... for whom are all things
I love it ! :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Quote from: rosered on October 12, 2016, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: jugghead on October 12, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Don't know if others have seen the glory of our Lord in a clock, (Which can be one perception of a wheel inside a wheel .....
The second is one wheel, constantly moving, Love has to constantly move
it causes the minute hand to move, Love causes compassion to move in us
the minute hand causes the hour hand to move, compassion causes forgiveness to move in us
if any one of these stop moving ..... it all comes to a stop
The face (identity) of the clock (Christ) is Love itself, it starts with Love and ends with Love .... but in actuality no beginning and no end since He has always been and always will be
What the mind may perceive as "time" ..... I see as "movement within a state of existence" with that state of existence being His kingdom .... His kingdom of Love .... We become Love, living in a kingdom of Love, constantly being moved by compassion in order to manifest forgiveness in this world of hatred caused by ignorance of truth ..... the truth of Love
WHAT AN INHERITANCE
Glory to Him by whom are all things ... from whom are all things ... for whom are all things
I love it ! :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Me too! :gsmile: :thumbsup:
It reminds me too of how i often find my self thinking of it.. as the two ways of life.. Or foundations, that is, the basis of one's life, thoughts, etc, being based on either love or nonlove/self-interest.. That love flows outward and thus makes room for more love (God & His Spirit) to flow into one, and it becomes a stream.. Or based on self interest which is the energy flowing inward, which becomes like a vacuum.. going the wrong way, and eventually becoming 'empty' (a vacuum) because the new energy (of life/God) cannot flow into us when the energy/love is not flowing outward..
...which would be counterclockwise..? :Chinscratch: going backward.. descending..?
He replied, "The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables: 'Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.'...
Quote from: marie glen on October 12, 2016, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: rosered on October 12, 2016, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: jugghead on October 12, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Don't know if others have seen the glory of our Lord in a clock, (Which can be one perception of a wheel inside a wheel .....
The second is one wheel, constantly moving, Love has to constantly move
it causes the minute hand to move, Love causes compassion to move in us
the minute hand causes the hour hand to move, compassion causes forgiveness to move in us
if any one of these stop moving ..... it all comes to a stop
The face (identity) of the clock (Christ) is Love itself, it starts with Love and ends with Love .... but in actuality no beginning and no end since He has always been and always will be
What the mind may perceive as "time" ..... I see as "movement within a state of existence" with that state of existence being His kingdom .... His kingdom of Love .... We become Love, living in a kingdom of Love, constantly being moved by compassion in order to manifest forgiveness in this world of hatred caused by ignorance of truth ..... the truth of Love
WHAT AN INHERITANCE
Glory to Him by whom are all things ... from whom are all things ... for whom are all things
I love it ! :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Me too! :gsmile: :thumbsup:
It reminds me too of how i often find my self thinking of it.. as the two ways of life.. Or foundations, that is, the basis of one's life, thoughts, etc, being based on either love or nonlove/self-interest.. That love flows outward and thus makes room for more love (God & His Spirit) to flow into one, and it becomes a stream.. Or based on self interest which is the energy flowing inward, which becomes like a vacuum.. going the wrong way, and eventually becoming 'empty' (a vacuum) because the new energy (of life/God) cannot flow into us when the energy/love is not flowing outward..
...which would be counterclockwise..? :Chinscratch: going backward.. descending..?
if we view our movement as growing (energy flowing outward), ..... do not plants fold in upon themselves as they wither and die (energy flowing inward)? Are we not either growing or dying in the garden?
What else came to mind is ..... if your perspective of the clock is yourself and you are inside the clock (inside yourself/self interest) your viewpoint of the hands are going counterclockwise
Good illustrations.
After all, He came to give us life abundantly.
Was watching a little story; gave the concept that at the moment even the brightest person in the world is only using approx 15% of our mental capacity; ergo imagine increasing to 100% in the resurrection.
Add in the ability to perceive info from a literal godly perspective.
We are to be in a position to be ABOVE angels In Christ.
At the moment the flesh disrespects authority; is self-focussed; Galations 5 points out the fruit of the flesh. 1 Tim 4 points out the deception that will be among us, and then encourages us to train for godliness.
Fortunately; 1 John 4 says that the one in us is greater than the one in the world.
I.M.O this life, for those being led in Christ, is the start of that training, which will be unlimited in the next phase.
All history points out mans' efforts versus God's provision.
Nothing can keep us from the love of God in Christ Jesus.
Hallelujah.
Thought for today:
Compassion is the key that unlocks the treasure chest of forgiveness that is filled with love
in other words:
Christ is the key that frees the Spirit of forgiveness that is filled with the Father