...they can not live..for if a beast but touch the Holy mountain he shall be stoned. therefore the law written on stoney hearts
void of the spirit of love..puts to death...But look! On His Holy mountain the lion lays down with the lamb,a mere child shall put
his hand into a den of cobra's and not be harmed...nothing will cause harm on His Holy Mountain. His LOVE and Deliverance
of His creation is not dependant on man's knowledge..but on HIS LOVE,LONG-SUFFERING.......and He shall teach His people.
He will teach His people on His holy mountain. But it will require some birth pangs before everyone gets there :o)
A couple ages more worth of those maybe LOL
Marie Glenn and Sheila. I always enjoy your posts, you both have a kindness in sharing your take on things. To be honest, many times on TM, I feel like a bit of a dunce but I keep plugging away. Marie, you mentioned "no escape" here's a link about that: it won't copy-paste, I'll send it under separate cover.
Hi Micah, I get it, "Lake of Fire"
Thanks to all who posted
Shalom
Jock. :Peace2:
It's the carnal nature of man. Not an actual mark. If we allow God to chastise us and purge us of the flesh through trials and suffering then will not need the purging fires of the Lake. Judge ourselves now so we aren't judged later.
:banana: :banana: :banana:
Hope that helps clarify it for you.
Thanks Watchman, but we gotta be careful we don't end up trying to live the law and be "good people" However, I do agree, it's just that I believe that God alone can do this.
Jock
Unless someone has a specific word from the Spirit, I'm going to leave it there and wait on the Lord. Thanks all
Shalom :Peace2:
Jock
now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field..... Gen 4 now you are under a curse and driven from the ground
that opened it's mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand....when you work the ground it will no longer
yield its crops for you. you will be a restless wanderer on the earth...Cain said, 'my punishment is more than
can bear. Today you are driving me from the land,and I will be hidden from your presence. I will be a restless wanderer
on the earth,and whoever finds me will kill me
But the Lord said to him,'Not so,if anyone kills Cain he will suffer vengeance 7 times over. Then the Lord put a mark on Cain
so that no-one who found him would kill him..........
Cain was wandering as a fugitive...and whoever spills man's blood,by man must his blood be spilled....see cities of refuge in
Israel for blood-guilty........please read..if Cain is avenged seven times..then Lamech seventy seven times.
follow the geneology line to observe the enmity between the seed.
Babylon sits atop a scarlet beast......bloodspilling murderous men are as beasts...ravaging beasts like lions tigers bears that
eat along with the blood...nations that with covetous eyes look upon lands to expand with murderous intents and warfare...
and much spilling of blood have wandering boundaries in the earth/wars/nations come and go across the land..nations with
such emblems as bear,eagles etc as they prey on people in their wanderings in the earth. God promised Israel a beautiful
land to inherit forever..not as a wanderer..but a home. Jacob,the supplanter..remained at home among the tents..Esau
a man of the field hunted game.
Two nations are in thy womb...two natures/two seeds in man[good/evil] the wild/tame , the carnal/beastly ferocious,blood-
thirsty nature/sinful nature and the gentel spiritual mild righteous upright nature. one nature preys upon..the other is the prey...
one lump of the clay is marred[marked] in HIS hand as a vessel of dishonor[man that is in honour but has not understanding
is as the beast]God has authority as the potter to also make a vessel unto honour of the same lump
Sure is a considerable amount of speculation on this subject. Even heard it said that Sunday worship was the mark. :doh:
What about buying and selling? :dontknow:
Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
yea, but it doesnt say they wouldnt be able to buy and sell on the Sabbath. it says they wouldnt be able to buy and sell.
Quote from: CHB on March 06, 2015, 09:51:04 PM
Quote from: joeteekay on March 06, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
Sure is a considerable amount of speculation on this subject. Even heard it said that Sunday worship was the mark. :doh:
What about buying and selling? :dontknow:
Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The Sabbath would be the answer for this question. There was to be no work of anykind on the Sabbath and I would assume that there would be no business transactions either.
CHB
You are correct in saying this CHB
This is the rest that God promises His people , come all you whom are heavy laden and I will give you rest for your souls
those are the souls under the alter that gave up their lives ,exchanged their souls from the whole world to Christ LIFE IN THEM these works are the greater works done because Jesus went back to the Father
He was sent for the same reason , the souls under the altar in Rev 6 to avenge the blood / lives of the law & prophets
at the CROSS the 5th seal and the 6th seal was at the Cross was opened and HEAVEN OPENED from now on ,,,,,we are in the 7th seal The Seventh Seal—the Trumpets those whom hear His voice and LIVE AND NEVER DIE Rev 8 but evey WORD will follow and must be fulfilled to the end ...
The Three Angels and Babylon's Fall
...12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write,
"Blessed are the dead — those who die in the Lord from this moment on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "- they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them." 14And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand....
We exchange lies for truth and do not sell it but give it freely as it was given to us by the Lord Himself , but most dont want it .
Even if the truth is free , they refuse it and refute it What will a man exchange for his own soul ? we give up our deceived one for the LORD SOUL / LIFE OF TRUTH Setting us free from death ..
Buy the truth and sell it not proverbs 23
Consider Diligently what is Before You...22Listen to your father who begot you, And do not despise your mother when she is old.
23Buy truth, and do not sell it, Get wisdom and instruction and understanding. 24The father of the righteous will greatly rejoice, And he who sires a wise son will be glad in him....
this is speaking of our father Abraham and Sarah born of faith in God though the LORD JESUS CHRIST THE SEED OF FAITH /WORD OF GOD
Matthew 13:44
The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it,
he hid it again, and in his joy he went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Proverbs 4:7
"The beginning of wisdom is: Acquire wisdom; And with all your acquiring, get understanding.
Proverbs 17:16
Why is there a price in the hand of a fool to buy wisdom, When he has no sense?
Proverbs 18:15
The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.
Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
buy
Proverbs 2:2-4 So that you incline your ear to wisdom, and apply your heart to understanding...
Proverbs 4:5-7 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from ...
Proverbs 10:1 The proverbs of Solomon. A wise son makes a glad father: but a foolish ...
Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding ...
Proverbs 17:16 Why is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing ...
Job 28:12-19 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding...
Psalm 119:72,127 The law of your mouth is better to me than thousands of gold and silver...
Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsts, come you to the waters, and he that has ...
Matthew 13:44,46 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like to treasure hid in a field; ...
Philippians 3:7,8 But what things were gain to me,
those I counted loss for Christ...Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich ...
His rewards are with Him , Jesus is the reward He is the Wisdom and power of God putting every last enemy under His feet , teaching subduing by the Light coming and SABBATH DAY REST . Till he presents it to His Father and God be all in all ... 1 Cor 15 And when all things shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
the Day of the Lord is the 1000 year reign and also the Sabbath rest made Holy and sanctified on the 7th DAY AND 7TH SEAL we are in this to the end of all things that is near , salvation is nearer than when we first believed ..
sanc·ti·fy
ˈ
verb
past tense: sanctified; past participle: sanctified
set apart as or declare holy; consecrate."a small shrine was built to sanctify the site"
synonyms: consecrate, bless, make holy, hallow, make sacred,
dedicate to God"he came to sanctify the site"
make legitimate or binding by religious sanction.
"they see their love sanctified by the sacrament of marriage"
synonyms: approve, sanction, condone, vindicate, endorse, support, back, permit, allow, authorize, legitimize
"we must not sanctify this outrage"
free from sin; purify.synonyms:
purify, cleanse, free from sin, absolve, unburden, redeem..."they sanctified themselves"
my :2c: about the mark of the beast was first placed on cain's forehead he was ruled by sin and error and the broad path that leads to destruction , we can see his examples in the Word of God by the nature of the beast ruling his heart out of the presence of God ... there is no doubt this man was not tormented his whole mortal life . what a price to pay for disobedience , but he was learning what evil is to the core and knowing the depths of satan would never disobey GOD again if Jesus would show mercy and forgive Him of sins
ALL manner of sins are forgiven except blaspheming the HOLY SPIRIT The Unpardonable Sin there is a sin that leads to death 1-john 5:16-20 I can only see this as being UR as Who does not want evil to end ??? whom delights in evil anyways ? evil is done away with in Christ , sin looses its power to rule over one seeking the Lord that every knee will bow to and every tongue confess JESUS IS LORD OF ALL !!!
(Mark 3:28-30)
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven,
but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either
in this age or in the one to come.
in the age of the tree of knowledge of good and evil Jesus says choose to do good [age ] so the age of Grace would come to us , from the cross of Jesus Christ , by the Holy Spirit being poured out and convicting us of sin and chastening us of it and comforting us by teaching us , His enemies [carnal minds ] such hostility against Him SPIRIT OF LIFE as we take up our cross and follow HIM The Call to Endurance Heb 12
...2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 Consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. 4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood....
5And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, or lose heart when He rebukes you. our cross to bear to learn what true righteousness really is ,
FORGIVING others sins in the same way we have been forgiven by Jesus , life is in the blood , giving it up for Jesus sake .and suffer for good and not evil any longer and our Sabbath rest to the weary souls /lives joined with His own , so the good works increased by the grace of God working the Christ in you and hope of glory from the inward working to the outward appearance that mankind can see the difference God has made in your lives we belong to Him and for HIM WE LIVE AND LOVE through Him .
Practicing what is preached in word by works of the Holy Spirit in us all , honoring the Father though Christ love for God and mankind .
Quote from: CHB on March 06, 2015, 09:51:04 PM
Quote from: joeteekay on March 06, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
Sure is a considerable amount of speculation on this subject. Even heard it said that Sunday worship was the mark. :doh:
What about buying and selling? :dontknow:
Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The Sabbath would be the answer for this question. There was to be no work of anykind on the Sabbath and I would assume that there would be no business transactions either.
CHB
You are right about the fact that working and trading isn't allowed on the Sabbath.
But only trading is mentioned. Not working.
There is such a day in the Bible; the day of the new moon/month is a hybrid between a regular day and an Sabbath day.
On that day work is allowed, but not the whole day because there is Temple service. On that day trading isn't allowed.
NO TRADING
Amos 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
NO TRAVELING RESTRICTIONS
Ezra 7:9 For on the first day of the first month began he to go up from Babylon, and on the first day of the fifth month came he to Jerusalem, according to the good hand of his God on him.