The future Gehenna.

[Seth]

You can actually take a drive down Gehenna Road in Jerusalem via Google Maps: Gehenna Road

[Jock]

Videos on Judas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1_o5XdS74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qv6ZR78nRc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVAElEdCIcY

3 part series by Clyde Pilkington

[rosered]

Gehenna | Let's tiptoe through the valley to hell

  Found this one  to help out perhaps  , there is lots more ...  very interesting to say the least  on a historical note .... wow !!   Thanks to you all  :winkgrin:

[Tapioca]

Videos on Judas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1_o5XdS74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qv6ZR78nRc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVAElEdCIcY

3 part series by Clyde Pilkington

It wasn't until I got to the second tape - at counter 52 minutes - that I started to weep.
Judas will be on one of those twelve thrones.
Jesus said so!
And then Samson, totally wrecked, gets refilled with God's strength - and ends up being called a man of faith in the New Testament.
(Still weeping)...
You have noooo idea how much this means to me.
Thank you so much for posting these links.
:HeartThrob:

[anna274]

Hi Jock:  Yes, thank you so much for the links.  Although I don't do youtube... I did a quick search on Clyde Pilkington and found two treasures/devotionals:  Daily Goodies and Daily Gleanings... I have learned that sharing scriptural based daily devotionals with family and friends is such an "easy" way to get them into a more consistent reading of the Word... again, thanks much for sharing these links...

[Jock]

Hi Anna

Glad the Lord led you to what you needed. He always has a plan B, & C &D etc.

:URWelcome:

Jock.

[Jock]

Hi Tapioca

That's really cool, and you don't have to divulge what took place between you and the Spirit. At one point, He led me to Tentmaker and it was just what He wanted me to hear and learn. It took me a while, I thought that universalism was too good to be true but I became convinced in the Lord that it is.

Have a good day.  :banana:

Jock.

[marie glen]

Hi folks, stumbled onto Matt 5:22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.

Now, in the Vines it says: Hell is the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.

Says who??? Don't leave Gehenna in the proper age but move it and customize it to give those "wicked" people a roasting!

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Shalom

Jock  :flamebreath:

    :iagree:  :iagree:

   hi! i read the last posts, before reading this first

(I was thinking about Judas' restoration just yesterday.) What great links and insight to bring such blessing!!! :girlheart:

I was also thinking about "gehenna" as in yesterday's reading included how when Jesus returns, he will gather the nations, putting the wheat in his barn (Israel, as when He returns His feet 'touchdown' on the Mt of Olives, Zech 14:4) but the tares will be gathered to be burned.. at that last conflagration/fire/split atom? around Israel. The end result and consequences of mankind's (God-less) doings = 'judgment'

.."and the nations will gather to Armageddon" (Rev 16:14,15,16) .."He comes with angels and with fire" (2 thes 1:7) and will divide the wheat from the tares.. the wheat to his barn (Israel) and the tares to the fire.

Yes, who decided the fire is 'hades' realm of the dead, which btw, is still the dust of the grave, the lower part of the earth where Jesus truly descended..
            :smile:

[Jock]

Yes Marie, so many thoughts on fire, the burning bush was burning but not consumed, the fiery furnace could only loose the bonds of the three men (because of Christ). So many other examples. I was thinking but may be wrong, with Gehenna, weren't the carcases of men and animals consumed there, it seems to me that any human that was cast in there was already dead? Just a thought.

Shalom.  :Peace2:

Jock.

[Seth]

Yes Marie, so many thoughts on fire, the burning bush was burning but not consumed, the fiery furnace could only loose the bonds of the three men (because of Christ). So many other examples. I was thinking but may be wrong, with Gehenna, weren't the carcases of men and animals consumed there, it seems to me that any human that was cast in there was already dead? Just a thought.

Shalom.  :Peace2:

Jock.

Yes, absolutely, if criminals were burned there. Certainly children were put to death there as a sacrifice to false gods. What death that signifies spiritually to me is "to be carnally minded is death."

[Jock]

Yes, Seth

The Lake of Fire being the 2nd death, a fire that consumes. Yet, God will be all in all so those who are consumed in the Lake, are re-vivified. I still have trouble with the LOF, like is it a conscious experience for a short time, or what? Any thoughts?

Jock.

[Seth]

I believe the LOF is the spiritual state of being in darkness and outside the Bride of Christ as a metaphor for them who abide in that. Ithat is why I believe it is like in done to death and not life. To gain life they must heed the words of the spirit and the bride who say come all you are who are thirsty and drink of the water of life. The water of life is within the bride not the outer of darkness. It's is not a literal fire but a metaphor for thirsting for righteousness. I I believe it is likened to fire because fire is literally destructive like sin is destructive. And they will all come into the city of New Jerusalem so that God will be all in all eventually,  but it will be by first passing through the city gates of New Jerusalem, a symbol of those who bring the gospel.

[Seth]

To me it's impossible to understand the LOF without also understanding New Jerusalem. You cannot discuss one without the other. In fact the latter books of Revelation talk more about New Jerusalem than the LOF.

[micah7:9]

To me it's impossible to understand the LOF without also understanding New Jerusalem. You cannot discuss one without the other. In fact the latter books of Revelation talk more about New Jerusalem than the LOF.

" In fact the latter books of Revelation talk more about New Jerusalem than the LOF."
Could you clarify this for me? Thanks :dsunny:

[Seth]

I meant the latter chapters the last three chapters of Revelation. 20, 21, 22. I believe when discussing the lake of fire it's critical to also include New Jerusalem into the discussion so the constrast between them can be seen.

[micah7:9]

I kinda knew you meant chapters, but you also said, " In fact the latter books of Revelation talk more about New Jerusalem than the LOF."
That reminded me of the preachers who say the Bible says more about hell than heaven. :eek:
So I offer this the LOF beats NJ by two. :dsunny:

Rev_19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Rev_20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev_20:14  And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire.

Rev_20:15  And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev_3:12  He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

Rev_21:2  And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

[Seth]

I kinda knew you meant chapters, but you also said, " In fact the latter books of Revelation talk more about New Jerusalem than the LOF."
That reminded me of the preachers who say the Bible says more about hell than heaven. :eek:
So I offer this the LOF beats NJ by two. :dsunny:

Rev_19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Rev_20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev_20:14  And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire.

Rev_20:15  And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev_3:12  He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

Rev_21:2  And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

I think you are judging it by a different criteria. I didn't say the WORDS New Jerusalem appear more. I said it "talk more about" New Jerusalem than the lake of fire.

Look at the lengthy descriptions in both chapters 21 and 22. Measurements, details about the construction, using pearl for the gates, streams of water flowing, a tree of life. All this having to do with New Jerusalem. What description do we get for the LOF? Fire and brimstone. That's pretty much it.

All this basically to say, you can't determine the meaning of the LOF without considering the weight given to New Jerusalem in the same chapters.

I kinda knew you meant chapters, but you also said, " In fact the latter books of Revelation talk more about New Jerusalem than the LOF."
That reminded me of the preachers who say the Bible says more about hell than heaven.

And yet, it's totally reversed.

[micah7:9]

I was not "judging" anything. But I'll give you, all I did was compare the WORDS. As for the "description"

" Measurements, details about the construction, using pearl for the gates, streams of water flowing, a tree of life. All this having to do with New Jerusalem. "
Unless a person, such as myself, knows just what the words mean and represent, I have no idea what the New Jerusalem will look like.

As far the LOF, fire and brimstone, say much about what is to be expected. :Peace2:

[Seth]

there's nothing wrong with judging. just to let you know I wasn't accusing you something bad. New Jerusalem represents the bride which represents God's people. the overcomer inherits New Jerusalem.I take new jerusalem to be as much a metaphor as I do the lake of fire. Everyone else not an overcomer is outside the bride. But the catch and the key is that the Spirit and bride is inviting everyone else inside. You see that at the very end of Revelation

[rosered]

(I was thinking about Judas' restoration just yesterday.) What great links and insight to bring such blessing!!! 

I was also thinking about "gehenna" as in yesterday's reading included how when Jesus returns, he will gather the nations, putting the wheat in his barn (Israel, as when He returns His feet 'touchdown' on the Mt of Olives, Zech 14:4) but the tares will be gathered to be burned.. at that last conflagration/fire/split atom? around Israel. The end result and consequences of mankind's (God-less) doings = 'judgment'

.."and the nations will gather to Armageddon" (Rev 16:14,15,16) .."He comes with angels and with fire" (2 thes 1:7) and will divide the wheat from the tares.. the wheat to his barn (Israel) and the tares to the fire.

Yes, who decided the fire is 'hades' realm of the dead, which btw, is still the dust of the grave, the lower part of the earth where Jesus truly descended..

Hi Marie  :HeartThrob:

when I think of

judas    and how he was  only doing what he was called to do     I  began to wonder   
why did Saul whom was persecuting and murdering the body of  Christ  putting to death  , was  no different than Judas    ??  and we see how Saul / Paul   also an example
   
I really dont see any difference ??     My thinking has changed  so much Praise God !!
I know Gods mercy endures forever and wrath for only a moment   :cloud9:
I cannot watch You Tube     
  this old and slow dial -up  and have really been missing out it seems

  If anyone could give just some points  of those 3    messages ,I would love to hear them from you , Thanks


 

[micah7:9]

You have it proper and correct.  :dsunny: Judas as Saul(Paul) were/are in the Lord's plan and purpose.

Rotherham 13: 20 Verily, verily, I say unto you—He that receiveth whomsoever I shall send, receiveth, me; and, he that receiveth, me, receiveth him that sent me.