Biblical Prophecy sometimes repeats itself. Often one Prophecy has two meanings for different times. It's possible that all Prophecy is this way and we don't know it is because the second Prophecy hasn't happened yet. I want to discuss the false prophet and the Beast that get thrown into the lake of fire.
I think God gave us clues as to the identity of them or at least where to look for them. Daniel tells us that Beasts are nations so we know that this Beast is a nation. Now what Prophet in history didn't prophetize? Muhammad is called the "Prophet Muhammad" but what were his prophecies? Nothing really. When we look close we see him asserting before battles that his enemies would die and then they would. Anyone can predict winning a battle if they have overwhelming force. Then there was the time he predicted a win and lost so he fails the Prophet test on that one failed prophecy. I assert the false prophet is Muhammad and the nation (Beast) is Islam. Muhammad never did any "signs and wonders" so Muhammad was just a demonic man but my assertion is a new false prophet will come from Islam showing signs and wonders. I think God gave us enough hints as to where to look for him.
In Iran which is mostly Shia, they await the coming of the 12th Imman or the "Mehdi" who is supposed to come in a time of chaos and bloodshed in the world. They believe that man can cause this chaos to occur.
I agree that it is the Islamic world that will try to take over the world. The prophecies in the Bible were centered on Islamic nations (under their ancient names, "Edom" etc, and of course, Israel.
I agree with your findings
Jock. Welcome btw
My Persian friend, Parviz, used to tell me (until my eyes glazed over) about those G. D. Arab-descendants who ruined his country. He said you can spot them by their black turbans.
As to the false prophet, Mohammad seems to fit, but I am fairly certain that there are a lot of theories out there, each trying to sound convincing.
MANY things point to Jesus the Christ as being special or more than special. One little-known sign I found in the book A Roadmap of Time, where we see a timeline of history, and the appearance of Jesus is accompanied by 100-year, 500-year, and 1000-year climate cycles all crossing the baseline at the same time. The appearance of Mohammad in history on the same timeline was accompanied by...nothing special.
There are some things to be said for Islam, however, such as their high regard for the books of Moses, their high regard (no, really) for the Gospels and the Jesus of those Gospels. The basic defect in Islam (in my view) is that it is still stuck in the "eye for an eye" phase of human conduct.
I suppose that I should add that Mohammad was very mixed up on religion as a young man. Later, he proved himself a murderer, pedophile, and rapist. His early followers were caravan raiders, robbers, murderers, fanatics, and genocidists.
imo prophesy is notof any maan..but comes forth from a spirit,whether Holy orofthe deceiver/liar
.......and the interpretation of it..also comes for that which it was sent from..for the purpose
of the spirit that sent it....to deceive and kill..ortospeak truth and bring life.
satan likes to speak the word of God...to deceive and kill.......Jesus speaks the wordof God
that man ay have truth andlife.
i8f consecrated 'meat/word of God' touches something defiled..it is defiled........[word ofGod
blasphemed]
:thumbsup: sheila, amen.
Quote from: Lazarus Short on October 19, 2013, 08:07:16 PM
There are some things to be said for Islam, however, such as their high regard for the books of Moses, their high regard (no, really) for the Gospels and the Jesus of those Gospels. The basic defect in Islam (in my view) is that it is still stuck in the "eye for an eye" phase of human conduct.
Some interesting comments here Laz.
I agree with your eye for an eye thing as being a problem, but my
view of it (view, eyes, bad pun :), that it really starts with "who
is Jesus?". So for me, the basic defect in Islam (as well as many who claim other affiliations, including UR) is that it is still stuck in rejecting Jesus as the Savior, the perfect Sacrifice for sin. I just don't believe they've as yet been given eyes to see - but will - and then we will all be brothers - when every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.
Quote from: sheila on October 19, 2013, 08:37:46 PM
imo prophesy is notof any maan..but comes forth from a spirit,whether Holy orofthe deceiver/liar
.......and the interpretation of it..also comes for that which it was sent from..for the purpose
of the spirit that sent it....to deceive and kill..ortospeak truth and bring life.
satan likes to speak the word of God...to deceive and kill.......Jesus speaks the wordof God
that man ay have truth andlife.
i8f consecrated 'meat/word of God' touches something defiled..it is defiled........[word ofGod
blasphemed]
Amen !! yes its a spirit in operation/power
seems that whaterever exaults itself as god /God and all that
IS called God
the dividing of the waters / voices above or below , that blasphemes or glorifies God, is by that spirit or the Holy Spirit , this seperates and understanding this division is important part of discernment
We profess Jesus Christ is the Son of God and shed His own Blood at the cross for the remission of sin the world does not know God because its does not acknowledge Jesus Christ the Son of God ,
this is a simple and true ''but powerful ''understanding to me .
Rev 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 1Jo 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world. 1Jo 4:2
This is how we know if they have the Spirit of God: If a person claiming to be a prophet acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body, that person has the Spirit of God.
1Jo 4:3
But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here. 1Jo 4:4
But you belong to God, my dear children. You have already won a victory over those people, because the Spirit who lives in you is greater than the spirit who lives in the world. 1Jo 4:5
Those people belong to this world, so they speak from the world's viewpoint, and the world listens to them. 1Jo 4:6
But we belong to God, and those who know God listen to us. If they do not belong to God, they do not listen to us. That is how we know if someone has the Spirit of truth or the spirit of deception. 1Jo 4:7 Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and knows God.
1Jo 4:8 But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1Jo 4:9
God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him.
1Jo 4:10 This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins.
1Jo 4:11 Dear friends, since God loved us that much, we surely ought to love each other.
1Jo 4:12 No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.
1Jo 4:13 And God has given us his Spirit as proof that we live in him and he in us.
1Jo 4:14
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Quote from: jabcat on October 19, 2013, 09:08:20 PM
:thumbsup: sheila, amen.
Quote from: Lazarus Short on October 19, 2013, 08:07:16 PM
There are some things to be said for Islam, however, such as their high regard for the books of Moses, their high regard (no, really) for the Gospels and the Jesus of those Gospels. The basic defect in Islam (in my view) is that it is still stuck in the "eye for an eye" phase of human conduct.
Some interesting comments here Laz.
I agree with your eye for an eye thing as being a problem, but my view of it (view, eyes, bad pun :), that it really starts with "who is Jesus?". So for me, the basic defect in Islam (as well as many who claim other affiliations, including UR) is that it is still stuck in rejecting Jesus as the Savior, the perfect Sacrifice for sin. I just don't believe they've as yet been given eyes to see - but will - and then we will all be brothers - when every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.
You are entirely correct, of course. If I had expressed fully what I had in mind, and it was niggling at me somewhere, I would have said that the eye for an eye outlook kept and keeps Muslims from seeing (eye again :doh:) the value of forgiveness. Given that, they cannot see the forgiving Savior. Given that, they cannot enter into the joy of being saved or the freedom of being sons and daughters of the living God. In God's own time, they will be freed from all that.
Interesting link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZf6h1-EBmo
One has to be patient through the ads
The British are coming, the British are coming!
http://www.postindependent.com/opinion/8466656-113/christians-obama-muslim-religious
o :dontknow: other then the title..the articleisblocked out,Jock.
OOps, Sorry Sheila
Try it here:
http://www.postindependent.com/opinion/8466656-113/christians-obama-muslim-religious
Quote from: Jock on October 20, 2013, 06:18:07 PM
OOps, Sorry Sheila
Try it here:
http://www.postindependent.com/opinion/8466656-113/christians-obama-muslim-religious
Your link appears to be political propaganda despite the fact that the article is grayed out. I'm registered as an Independent because I disagree with both Democrats and Republicans, but I've seen Obama say, "Jesus is Lord." I think hypocritical Christians that hate Obama because of his skin color and/or politics should repent from their sin of slandering a Christian brother.
"Wherefore I am making known to you that no one, speaking by God's spirit, is saying, "Anathema is Jesus." And no one is able to say "Lord is Jesus" except by holy spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)
Political issues are subject to debate, but lies and defamation of character aren't righteous criticism.
Tom
I'm a bit gobsmacked by your post. In my own defence, I meant to highlight the problem with the slaughter of Christians, nothing political. I think your reply was a bit harsh. I am not an American, I am a Scotsman, so I have no truck in American (nor British for that matter) politics. Whoever is in power has been placed there by God.
Sorry if I've offended you in any way, Tom. Purely unintentional! :Peace2:
ok?tell meby what spirit people confess....'Mohamed is the prophet of Allah"?
Quote from: Jock on October 20, 2013, 07:50:17 PM
Tom
I'm a bit gobsmacked by your post. In my own defence, I meant to highlight the problem with the slaughter of Christians, nothing political. I think your reply was a bit harsh. I am not an American, I am a Scotsman, so I have no truck in American (nor British for that matter) politics. Whoever is in power has been placed there by God.
Sorry if I've offended you in any way, Tom. Purely unintentional! :Peace2:
You didn't offend me, bro. I was just making a general comment about the ongoing political deception by some Christians that Obama is a Muslim while he says he's Christian. I don't know what's up with that link, but the article is grayed out. I'm aware that there is a plan for a world caliphate, and there are Christians being martyred in predominantly Muslim countries. I know we need to be vigilant in the defense of our faith. In the USA there is supposed to be religious freedom, but some folks who claim to defend our constitution disregard that when it's politically inconvenient. I don't know if Google is blocking that article or what, but I would read it if I could.
Quote from: sheila on October 20, 2013, 08:03:49 PM
ok?tell meby what spirit people confess....'Mohamed is the prophet of Allah"?
The holy spirit of God, the spirit of truth, testifies concerning Jesus Christ.
"Now, whenever the consoler which I shall be sending you from the Father may be coming, the spirit of truth which is going out from the Father, that will be testifying concerning Me." (John 15:26)
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Try this one,Tom
http://www.postindependent.com/opinion/8466656-113/christians-obama-muslim-religious
It's all clear from my end :dontknow:
Quote from: Tom on October 20, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: Jock on October 20, 2013, 06:18:07 PM
Your link appears to be political propaganda despite the fact that the article is grayed out. I'm registered as an Independent because I disagree with both Democrats and Republicans, but I've seen Obama say, "Jesus is Lord." I think hypocritical Christians that hate Obama because of his skin color and/or politics should repent from their sin of slandering a Christian brother.
Tom just in case you didn't know Muslims are allowed to lie if it benefits Islam. Obama quotes from the Quran often and as quoted in the article he said we are not a Christian nation. If you research Obama he came from Islamic roots, even his brother is a leader of a radical Islamic faction. I think its fairly safe to assume that he is a Muslim posing as a Christian:
QuoteThere are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
His color has nothing to do with it. I have seen video footage of him admitting that he has the Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY)
Quote from: Jock on October 20, 2013, 08:30:12 PM
Try this one,Tom
http://www.postindependent.com/opinion/8466656-113/christians-obama-muslim-religious
It's all clear from my end :dontknow:
That one's blocked too, bro. It must be getting censored by somebody because of Muslim content.
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:01 PM
Quote from: Tom on October 20, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: Jock on October 20, 2013, 06:18:07 PM
Your link appears to be political propaganda despite the fact that the article is grayed out. I'm registered as an Independent because I disagree with both Democrats and Republicans, but I've seen Obama say, "Jesus is Lord." I think hypocritical Christians that hate Obama because of his skin color and/or politics should repent from their sin of slandering a Christian brother.
Tom just in case you didn't know Muslims are allowed to lie if it benefits Islam. Obama quotes from the Quran often and as quoted in the article he said we are not a Christian nation. If you research Obama he came from Islamic roots, even his brother is a leader of a radical Islamic faction. I think its fairly safe to assume that he is a Muslim posing as a Christian:
QuoteThere are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
His color has nothing to do with it. I have seen video footage of him admitting that he has the Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY)
It's a cleverly edited video by political opponents of Obama. Here's one from the other side about Bush, but, like I said, I don't agree with either party. That's why I'm an Independent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6QFwKWFpA&feature=player_detailpage
I don't get blinded by the smokescreen of social issues attempting to divert attention from the economic problems that need to be dealt with which Congress isn't bothering to do like helping a lot folks who are hurting from the economic collapse that happened due to the party who is opposed to Obama even though they blame the bad economy on him.
This country got started by a bunch of guys fleeing oppression in Europe. They supposedly were Christians, but I've seen information that they were Freemasons too. Then there was the hypocrisy of slavery in a free country. We have a secular government by design to protect against church abuse which is what drove the founders here from Europe. I don't think any "religion" should be running the government because they're all about the tradition of man, not the word of God, and that includes the Christian religion.
I think it's dumb for any of our politicians to bow to those of other countries even if that's the custom in those other countries, but it's been done by both political parties.
I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church through no fault of my own, and I got out of it as soon as I could because I knew its doctrine is distorted. That church was responsible for killing a lot of folks in the world in the name of Christianity, and that's why the Muslims think the war is still going on with Christians, that and the fact that we are a friend of Israel. All the crusades the popes waged from Rome were for worldly power masquerading as Christianity. The point is that folks could accuse me of being a Catholic because I was raised as one, but I'm not one anymore. The Catholic Church might say I am because I was baptized in that church, but it would also probably say I'm excommunicated for my beliefs now. I don't care what the church in Rome or anybody else says. I'm not a Catholic, and I'm not subject to the Roman creeds of Christianity or the pope. I'm not a member of any church because they're all corrupt.
Obama is a politician. When he says we're not a Christian nation anymore, it's because folks from a lot of other religions are here now, and there's supposed to be freedom of religion here.
I think abortion and gay marriage are wrong, but I also think taking from the poor to give to the rich is wrong. Our whole government is corrupted by money. Money has more power than votes now, and gerrymandered districts distort elections. I think we should have nationwide one person one vote elections without districts or an electoral college, and Congress should operate on simple majority rule not the super majority and filibusters of the Senate that bring everything to a stand still. I think our taxes should be used to take care of our citizens first, and USA corporations should have to pay taxes too instead of being able to use foreign labor and foreign banks to deprive this country while capitalizing off it.
Human government disgusts me. There won't be a righteous government until Christ comes back, and that won't involve Democrats or Republicans. It will be a monarchy ruled by the word of God until no more rule is necessary because all will be subjected to God, and God will be all in all.
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:01 PM
His color has nothing to do with it. I have seen video footage of him admitting that he has the Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY)
"The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer" - Barack Hussein Obama
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 20, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:01 PM
His color has nothing to do with it. I have seen video footage of him admitting that he has the Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY)
"The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer" - Barack Hussein Obama
The government of the USA is based on freedom of religion and separation of church and state because the founders knew the dangers of a theocracy from their experience in Europe. That's why I say I don't even think the Christian religion, in other words church doctrine, should be running our country. Whether Obama is a Christian, as he says he is, a Muslim, or an Atheist, it doesn't matter according to the US Constitution. If anybody, including Obama and any of you here on this forum, claim to be a Christian, I take your word for it, and the truth is between you and God. I'm not the judge of whether your faith is true or not, and I don't think anybody here on this forum is qualified to judge if anybody's faith is true or not. I quoted in a previous message what the word of God has to say about it, and I guess it needs repeating.
"Wherefore I am making known to you that no one, speaking by God's spirit, is saying, "Anathema is Jesus." And no one is able to say "Lord is Jesus" except by holy spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)
JESUS CHRIST... OBAMA'S SAVIOUR!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBhM4L-wiI0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause
"Islam brings hope and comfort",says President George W.Bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nan2PC_-rxk
In order for someone to have Jesus as their ruling Lord they must actually be obedient. ("Why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do what I say?" And, "Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord...") To simply say "Jesus is my Lord" and not obey Him is to lie. A Lord rules. If He is not ruling a persons life He is not their Lord.
Just throwing that out there.
Quote from: lomarah on October 21, 2013, 12:55:54 AM
In order for someone to have Jesus as their ruling Lord they must actually be obedient. ("Why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do what I say?" And, "Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord...") To simply say "Jesus is my Lord" and not obey Him is to lie. A Lord rules. If He is not ruling a persons life He is not their Lord.
Just throwing that out there.
I hear ya, sis, but even believers sin. Thank God we're justified in Christ.
"Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him." (Romans 5:9)
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/WhatIsABeliever.html
I believe the scripture you referred to is about the coming kingdom in Israel. See the attachment.
"21 "Not everyone saying to Me 'Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
22 Many will be declaring to Me in that day, 'Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'" (Matthew 7:21,22)
"21 See 25:11-12; Lu.13:25-30.
21 Many will need to read this passage twice, for it is the popular conviction that any one who can prophesy or cast out demons and do other supernatural deeds is necessarily in the highest intimacy with God. Many will claim these powers, yet He refuses to acknowledge them. In itself supernaturalism is no index of divine activity, for the powers of evil win their greatest triumphs in mimicking the manifestations of the holy Spirit." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 19)
"Now why are you calling Me 'Lord,"Lord,' and are not doing what I am saying?" (Luke 6:46)
"46-48 Compare Mt.7:21-25; Isa.26:3-4, 28:16; ICo.3:10-11.
46 This parable presents the permanent character of the kingdom. Its foundation is laid deep in the solid stratum of God's purpose rather than the insecure sand of human expedience. The superstructure may look safe, but the stress of political storms will wreck every state but the one which will displace them and have no end. So, also, are those who are allied with these kingdoms. Those who heard and obeyed Him built a house whose foundations would last for the eon. Those who do not obey are caught in the crash preceding the kingdom." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 101)
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Quote from: lomarah on October 21, 2013, 12:55:54 AM
In order for someone to have Jesus as their ruling Lord they must actually be obedient. ("Why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do what I say?" And, "Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord...") To simply say "Jesus is my Lord" and not obey Him is to lie. A Lord rules. If He is not ruling a persons life He is not their Lord.
Just throwing that out there.
Amen Lomarah :HeartThrob:
Love Julie
Quote from: Tom on October 21, 2013, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 20, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: mplsfitter539 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:01 PM
His color has nothing to do with it. I have seen video footage of him admitting that he has the Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY)
"The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer" - Barack Hussein Obama
The government of the USA is based on freedom of religion and separation of church and state because the founders knew the dangers of a theocracy from their experience in Europe.
And they failed. Obama failed by making religious statements. All politics is 'religion'. They all ram their views/ways through the people's throat's. There was nothing wrong with the religion in Europe. It was the extremism in religion that was wrong. Just as there is nothing wrong with capitalism, socialism, communism, patriotism, etc.
It goes wrong if it becomes extreme.
QuoteThat's why I say I don't even think the Christian religion, in other words church doctrine, should be running our country. Whether Obama is a Christian, as he says he is, a Muslim, or an Atheist, it doesn't matter according to the US Constitution.
No but it matters how such a (group of) person(s) rule a country. Of course it matters a lot if that person is moderate or extreme in his/her views. Have you ever considered all political views are doctrine? The source varies but that's it.
QuoteIf anybody, including Obama and any of you here on this forum, claim to be a Christian, I take your word for it,
Would you still believe it if saw that person pray in a mosque? Acts speak stronger than words. So he should just be honest. Then the voter can decide what to do with that info.
My whole point is people act on their personality/views. And ultimately it doesn't matter how those views were formed. Trough religion, racist parents, etc.
I'm not promoting a theocracy but weeding out Christianity in favor or other believes is just that. (should a Christian pursue a Christian nation?)
Why not ban Christmas signs but not Halloween? Why not change the names of the days because they are all pagan?
Even more why not change the name of the country?
America means "God's Greater Estate of the Heavenly Kingdom"
No Tom this is a discussion you won't win in even a billion years.
/EDIT Not because you are wrong about what's (not) written in the constitution but what's actually done.
Bonus question: When the constitution speaks about religion what is the definition of religion. I'm not from the USA as you know but my country's 'constitution' has freedom of religion also. Nowadays that's read as any imaginable religion. Back then, for example, satanism certainly didn't qualify as a religion. It was mostly a term for a zillion Christian denominations that have cause an endless string of war in Europe's past.
Tom
I found this link from Pat Condell which is the same sort of theme that was in the link I tried to send you yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1PnMWCOeH4
Also, This was in the news today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/middle_east/
The very thing that Pat is talking about.
Jock.
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 21, 2013, 10:17:05 AM
Even more why not change the name of the country?
America means "God's Greater Estate of the Heavenly Kingdom"
There are a lot of theories about the name "America." My Persian friend, Parviz, once mentioned the Farsi phrase "Ame Rica," meaning "My Son." Others say it comes from the Gothic language, others from that obscure Italian geographer. I subscribe to the theory that it derives from the name of a Bristol merchant, Richard Amerike, whose coat of arms looks like an abbreviated stars & stripes.
Quote from: Tom on October 21, 2013, 12:08:06 AM
The government of the USA is based on freedom of religion and separation of church and state...
It cannot be said too often: Separation of church and state is a doctrine of man, but the Constitution (which now seems to be only an historical document :sigh:) simply states that the Congress shall not pass any law having to do with an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, that is to say, the Congress is forbidden to set up a State Church. However the 501(c)(3) tax exemption, and the government's instruction to the churches as to what it may do and teach to keep the exemption, have set up all the tax-exempt churches as a State Church.
Re: "My whole point is people act on their personality/views. And ultimately it doesn't matter how those views were formed."
I agree as per Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
or
Man cannot fix man
Only God can fix man
which He did/does through the finished work of Jesus Christ
BTW Psalm 118:8 is the center verse of the entire Bible.
Quote from: Robert Sparks on October 19, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Biblical Prophecy sometimes repeats itself. Often one Prophecy has two meanings for different times. It's possible that all Prophecy is this way and we don't know it is because the second Prophecy hasn't happened yet. I want to discuss the false prophet and the Beast that get thrown into the lake of fire.
I think God gave us clues as to the identity of them or at least where to look for them. Daniel tells us that Beasts are nations so we know that this Beast is a nation. Now what Prophet in history didn't prophetize? Muhammad is called the "Prophet Muhammad" but what were his prophecies? Nothing really. When we look close we see him asserting before battles that his enemies would die and then they would. Anyone can predict winning a battle if they have overwhelming force. Then there was the time he predicted a win and lost so he fails the Prophet test on that one failed prophecy. I assert the false prophet is Muhammad and the nation (Beast) is Islam. Muhammad never did any "signs and wonders" so Muhammad was just a demonic man but my assertion is a new false prophet will come from Islam showing signs and wonders. I think God gave us enough hints as to where to look for him.
hi! :hiya:
I definitely agree that history repeats itself, and Bible prophecy is often at least parallel, with a more or less 'immediate' fulfillment of the day when it is given and a final 'end' days fulfillment..
I think the false prophet of today's world is one which brought about the biggest change to 'Christendom' - I ended up with this view due to a question, "what are the strongest forces at work upon man today?"
It's my belief the false prophet began as a man (Darwin) and is now more, having turned western civilization on its ear.. and now it's white frocked magicians do modern marvels and wonders which lead astray, including the ones of rev 13:13 and 13:15-18.
It's my belief the dove (progressivism/socialism) will harness the vulture (Rev 4:20d who beheads). "The vulture will be where the body is.."
It's my belief there are two beasts (governings/governments of man) of Rev chapter 13 - (1-10) the big beast, or world beast / world body (verses 1-10) and the 'little' beast (11-18) which is an office of man (we have his number).
Imo, this office having been pinpointed by its releasing a new fire (windy, rev 6:12-17, described as a braiding of what it is when it first appears/is used, and what it is in its fully progressed/galloped form at the 'end', a clever hide the vision for a time devise) - pinpointing the office - 13:13
It's my opinion, the 'little' beast / two horned office - Rev 13:13 brought fire from the sky to earth in the sight of man, which convinced them to rebuild the 'big' beast, the final one of the "prince to come" (the 'little' beast steps into the 'big' beast/world body, giving it life/breath/authority (13:15) who makes an accord(Dan 9:27) - the Hebrew of Strong's ='s "covenant, league" of "peace! peace!" for one week of years at the 'end', "but they won't reaLLy cleave"(Dn2,the "ten toes")
The "ten kings"/divisions/"toes" of the last "one hour" will devour the global $iTy, the harlot (Greek="pornos" to sell; she uses her enchantments and fornications to beguile, mesmerize all seven hills/continents and 'sell! sell!' - the kings/politicians are in bed with her/"fornicating with her")
She has a
golden cup of her side effects (murders, abortions, perversions, sex slave trade / "the bodies and souls of persons" is on her long list of products and luxuries she sells)
Imo, Rev 17:16, is the ten kings/divisions of the final world beast/world body (world governing/government), finally devours (consumes) capitalism.. "BabbleOn (and on) has fallen! fallen!" crashed..
The false prophet (teaching which leads astray, big time!)and the (world) beast (body/government) are thrown into the LOF at Jesus' return.. I believe they are active in final days of man's empire(s) a figurative alive - "thrown alive into the LOF"
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 21, 2013, 10:17:05 AM
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Quote from: mplsfitter539 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:01 PM
His color has nothing to do with it. I have seen video footage of him admitting that he has the Islamic faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY)
"The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer" - Barack Hussein Obama
The government of the USA is based on freedom of religion and separation of church and state because the founders knew the dangers of a theocracy from their experience in Europe.
And they failed. Obama failed by making religious statements. All politics is 'religion'. They all ram their views/ways through the people's throat's. There was nothing wrong with the religion in Europe. It was the extremism in religion that was wrong. Just as there is nothing wrong with capitalism, socialism, communism, patriotism, etc.
It goes wrong if it becomes extreme.
QuoteThat's why I say I don't even think the Christian religion, in other words church doctrine, should be running our country. Whether Obama is a Christian, as he says he is, a Muslim, or an Atheist, it doesn't matter according to the US Constitution.
No but it matters how such a (group of) person(s) rule a country. Of course it matters a lot if that person is moderate or extreme in his/her views. Have you ever considered all political views are doctrine? The source varies but that's it.
QuoteIf anybody, including Obama and any of you here on this forum, claim to be a Christian, I take your word for it,
Would you still believe it if saw that person pray in a mosque? Acts speak stronger than words. So he should just be honest. Then the voter can decide what to do with that info.
My whole point is people act on their personality/views. And ultimately it doesn't matter how those views were formed. Trough religion, racist parents, etc.
I'm not promoting a theocracy but weeding out Christianity in favor or other believes is just that. (should a Christian pursue a Christian nation?)
Why not ban Christmas signs but not Halloween? Why not change the names of the days because they are all pagan?
Even more why not change the name of the country?
America means "God's Greater Estate of the Heavenly Kingdom"
No Tom this is a discussion you won't win in even a billion years.
/EDIT Not because you are wrong about what's (not) written in the constitution but what's actually done.
Bonus question: When the constitution speaks about religion what is the definition of religion. I'm not from the USA as you know but my country's 'constitution' has freedom of religion also. Nowadays that's read as any imaginable religion. Back then, for example, satanism certainly didn't qualify as a religion. It was mostly a term for a zillion Christian denominations that have cause an endless string of war in Europe's past.
I'm not trying to "win" any discussion. All I said was Obama says he's a Christian, and I take his word for it just like I'd take your word for it if you said you were. Human government and human religion are both corrupt. Politicians say and do some crazy things. Like I said, I disagree with both political parties in the USA. I'm not into Islam either even if some politicians say it's all about peace. I think we should produce our own fuel here and get out of the Muslim countries. If they want to kill each other over differences in their religion, that's their problem. We should use our resources for folks in the USA.
Quote from: Lazarus Short on October 20, 2013, 07:04:10 AM
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:thumbsup: sheila, amen.
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There are some things to be said for Islam, however, such as their high regard for the books of Moses, their high regard (no, really) for the Gospels and the Jesus of those Gospels. The basic defect in Islam (in my view) is that it is still stuck in the "eye for an eye" phase of human conduct.
Some interesting comments here Laz.
I agree with your eye for an eye thing as being a problem, but my view of it (view, eyes, bad pun :), that it really starts with "who is Jesus?". So for me, the basic defect in Islam (as well as many who claim other affiliations, including UR) is that it is still stuck in rejecting Jesus as the Savior, the perfect Sacrifice for sin. I just don't believe they've as yet been given eyes to see - but will - and then we will all be brothers - when every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.
You are entirely correct, of course. If I had expressed fully what I had in mind, and it was niggling at me somewhere, I would have said that the eye for an eye outlook kept and keeps Muslims from seeing (eye again :doh:) the value of forgiveness. Given that, they cannot see the forgiving Savior. Given that, they cannot enter into the joy of being saved or the freedom of being sons and daughters of the living God. In God's own time, they will be freed from all that.
Thank you for this very comforting reply, Lazarus. I especially appreciate "the joy of being saved..." I'm reminded of what an elderly man shared with me immediately following my first AA meeting. He said "I'm glad that I'm an alcoholic, I know my sin and I went to God and He forgave me. My family and friends know only my sin, they don't know their sin, so they have no need to go to God...they will never know the joy of being a forgiven sinner."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2009/03/dont_say_a_word.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2009/03/dont_say_a_word.html)
A U.N. resolution seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith.
"If there sometimes seems to be something implicitly absolutist or even totalitarian... ..it may result not from a fundamentalist reading of the holy book but from the religion itself. And it is the so-called mainstream Muslims, grouped in the Organization of the Islamic Conference, who are now demanding through the agency of the United Nations that Islam not only be allowed to make absolutist claims but that it also be officially shielded from any criticism of itself..."
AGENDA 21 - http://americanfreedomwatchradio.com/
"..not a Democratic or Republican "plan", it reaches across the aisle. The Elite will call us names and make up lies to try and divide us. They use doublespeak as code to reinforce their lies. ..the ELITIST plan to control your life demanding you, 'do as I say, not as I do'. You will be required to give up your individual freedom, your personal property and redistribute your wealth. The ELITISTS will use the government to take your money, exercise more power and to control every aspect of your life. Agenda 21 is not a Democratic or Republican "plan", it reaches across the aisle. The Elite will call us names and make up lies to try and divide us. They use doublespeak as code to reinforce their lies."
" President Kennedy was assassinated on 22nd November, 1963 ten days after he made a speech to Columbia University on Nov 12, 1963 stating, "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of this plight."
"..the deliberate destruction of America"
"The two opposing philosophies:
John Locke - the power is with the individual
Jean-Jacques Rousseau the power belongs to the government"
Quote from: Tom on October 20, 2013, 09:55:22 PM
This country got started by a bunch of guys fleeing oppression in Europe. They supposedly were Christians, but I've seen information that they were Freemasons too.
Rev 12 "the woman" (Truth/by this verse was Christianity) "was given the two wings of an eagle that she may fly" (sail?) "to a second migration" - They were Christians
But! also others, followed..which explains:
Quote from: Tom on October 20, 2013, 09:55:22 PM
Then there was the hypocrisy of slavery in a free country.
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Human government disgusts me. There won't be a righteous government until Christ comes back, and that won't involve Democrats or Republicans. It will be a monarchy ruled by the word of God until no more rule is necessary because all will be subjected to God, and God will be all in all.
:iagree: :thumbsup: governments of man = "beasts"
Quote from: WhiteWings on October 21, 2013, 10:17:05 AM
Bonus question: When the constitution speaks about religion what is the definition of religion. I'm not from the USA as you know but my country's 'constitution' has freedom of religion also. Nowadays that's read as any imaginable religion. Back then, for example, satanism certainly didn't qualify as a religion. It was mostly a term for a zillion Christian denominations that have cause an endless string of war in Europe's past.
:iagree: that I believe this is true
Quote from: Lazarus Short on October 21, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
It cannot be said too often: Separation of church and state is a doctrine of man, but the Constitution (which now seems to be only an historical document :sigh:) simply states that the Congress shall not pass any law having to do with an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, that is to say, the Congress is forbidden to set up a State Church. However the 501(c)(3) tax exemption, and the government's instruction to the churches as to what it may do and teach to keep the exemption, have set up all the tax-exempt churches as a State Church.
hmmmm :Chinscratch: I think that is true! :iagree:
Quote from: anna274 on October 21, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Re: "My whole point is people act on their personality/views. And ultimately it doesn't matter how those views were formed."
I agree as per Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
or
Man cannot fix man
Only God can fix man
which He did/does through the finished work of Jesus Christ
BTW Psalm 118:8 is the center verse of the entire Bible.
Yep! you said it Anna!
2Ti 3:1
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2Ti 3:2
People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3
without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
2Ti 3:4
treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—
2Ti 3:5
having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
2Ti 3:6
They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
2Ti 3:7
always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
I truly believe people have been seeing such days for hundreds of years, needless to say, they fit "today" very well.
Jesus did not care from whence anyone came; his message was always the same....
Luk 9:23
Then he said to them all: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
Jesus knew what was going to happen, though he made provisions in himself for all who trust him completely.
We cannot watch Rome burn and keep our focus on Him, both. :dsunny:
Just my :2c:
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
...I believe it's also true governments of men (beasts) cannot fix the planet.. But I believe they will try.. Most, I believe, will be well intentioned.. Til one day (I believe) the question/accusation will be (gasp!) "Chrsitians, you're against world peace?!?"
.."they will give power to the beast" (world beast) But they forget one thing: corruption (and, imo, also productivity,
and the "ten kings" (socialism) "will devour the harlot" Greek word for "harlot" is "pornos - to sell"
City Babylon, the harlot "by her enchantments of fornication have made the inhabitants of the earth drunk" and "the kings of the earth" (politicians) "have committed fornication with her" (are in bed with her) Rev 17:#3?
(extreme) socialism will devour (extreme) capitalism which had embraced "pornos" to sell, thus seducing/defiling all 7 hills/continents
P.S - "..if they will do this" (crucify me) "in a green leaf, what will they do? in a dry leaf?" Lk 23:#28-31?
Quote from: JulieTang84 on October 21, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
We cannot watch Rome burn and keep our focus on Him, both. :dsunny:
Just my :2c:
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
I can see your point :gsmile: but Jesus also said "watch" and I believe it was Exekiel was told "if you see the sword" (Rev 20:4d?) "coming and warn not.."
And Jesus said "when you see.." and also "when you see.."
"when you see - Jerusalem surrounded by armies"
"when you see - the abomination which desolates set up in Jerusalem" (the 'last' days abomination of desolation, imo, is the 666 system upon man)
P.S - "..if they will do this" (crucify me) "in a green leaf,
what will they do? in a dry leaf?" Lk 23:#28-31?
same spirit..liar and murderer fromthe beginning.........in the guise ofthe serpent..inthe mark on Cain;
on the head-dressof Pharoah,king of Egypt....in the Pharisees andsadducees religious rulers
in Jesus day...in the dragon of the stars.......inthe leviathan inthe nile...in the beastsof the sea
andofthe land..inthe sonofperdition..the man of lawlessness..in Babylonthe harlt inGog and
Magog............inthe prince of this world
.
this samespirit enters in and does it's works which are wicked...................
NOW...my Kingdom is no part of this world...otherwise...ifit were,my servants would fight
to prevent my arrest by the jews. But NOW my kingdom is fromanother place.............
andso..as we beholdthe warring and killingof christians.............and allthe nations assemble to
fight against the'camp' ofthe Holy city..........in the earth...be not amazed that......that
....as one reaches into a nest so my handreached for the wealth of the nations..as men
gather abandoned eggs,so I GATHERED ALL COUNTRIES,NOT ONE FLAPPED A WING
OR OPENED IT'S MOUTH TO CHURP..........
If the world hates you remember it hated me first...if you beloonged to the world it would love
you. They will treat you this way becauseof my name..for they do not know the one who sentme
they will put you out of the synagogues[what is accepteptable tothem as worship of the deity]
in fact...A TIME IS COMING WHEN ANYONE WHO KILL WILL THINK HE IS OFFERING A SERVICE TO GOD
They willdosuch things because they have notknown the Father or me..........
be notamazed at their hypocrisy..theirblindness. nor the vehemence intheir hearts.........
for they are deceived andblind[Rev 20;7] and know NOT wht they do...whenthey put good
for evilandevilfor g
- od
I HAVE TOLD YOU THIS SO WHEN THE TIME COMES YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT I WARNED YOU
anddo not be perplexed...it is All about His name...............and dominion and rulership...........
....and a time whenye shall be hated by all men........
you must discernthe time.... Matt 26;18my appointedtime is near
My Father.....if itis possible may this cup be takenfromme.........He returnedunto His disciples
andfound them asleep..and said...'could you not keep watch with me for one hour?
HE WENT AWY A SECOUND TIME...May your will be done........
when He cameback he again foundd them sleeping..SO HE LEFT THEM AND WENT AWY
ONCE MORE AND PRAYED THE THIRD TIME[3 days body of Christ in grave]
THEN HE RETURNED................Look! the Hour is near...andthe Son of Man[Rev 12]
is betrayed into the hands ofsinners.................
RISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE are BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH............
Genesis 8;8 dove sentforth 3 times fromthe Ark[just as inthe days of Noah]
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Quote from: JulieTang84 on October 21, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
We cannot watch Rome burn and keep our focus on Him, both. :dsunny:
Just my :2c:
Love Julie :HeartThrob:
I can see your point :gsmile: but Jesus also said "watch" and I believe it was Exekiel was told "if you see the sword" (Rev 20:4d?) "coming and warn not.."
And Jesus said "when you see.." and also "when you see.."
"when you see - Jerusalem surrounded by armies"
"when you see - the abomination which desolates set up in Jerusalem" (the 'last' days abomination of desolation, imo, is the 666 system upon man)
P.S - "..if they will do this" (crucify me) "in a green leaf, what will they do? in a dry leaf?" Lk 23:#28-31?
Well said Marie. Point taken :HeartThrob:
Love Julie
I have no faith in human government that slaves for mammon, and I have no faith in religion that says man's free will saves himself. I have faith in the living God who changed the worst of sinners into our apostle of the nations. That was a manifestation of the overwhelming power of God's love. Regardless of what somebody has said or done, God's love changes lives, and God's love will eventually overcome all evil in the universe and be all in all.
Amen brother - preach it! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Jock on October 21, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
Tom
I found this link from Pat Condell which is the same sort of theme that was in the link I tried to send you yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1PnMWCOeH4
Also, This was in the news today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/middle_east/
The very thing that Pat is talking about.
Jock.
I've watched a few YouTube videos by this guy, and he has nothing good to say about God or scripture.
Quote from: sheila on October 21, 2013, 07:03:50 PM
anddo not be perplexed...it is All about His name...............and dominion and rulership...........
....and a time whenye shall be hated by all men........
you must discernthe time.... Matt 26;18my appointedtime is near
My Father.....if itis possible may this cup be takenfromme.........He returnedunto His disciples
andfound them asleep..and said...'could you not keep watch with me for one hour?
HE WENT AWY A SECOUND TIME...May your will be done........
when He cameback he again foundd them sleeping..SO HE LEFT THEM AND WENT AWY
ONCE MORE AND PRAYED THE THIRD TIME[3 days body of Christ in grave]
THEN HE RETURNED................Look! the Hour is near...andthe Son of Man[Rev 12]
is betrayed into the hands ofsinners.................
RISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE are BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH............
Wow! Gotta meditate on this some more. Wow though. Awesome.
Quote from: Lazarus Short on October 21, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Tom on October 21, 2013, 12:08:06 AM
The government of the USA is based on freedom of religion and separation of church and state...
It cannot be said too often: Separation of church and state is a doctrine of man, but the Constitution (which now seems to be only an historical document :sigh:) simply states that the Congress shall not pass any law having to do with an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, that is to say, the Congress is forbidden to set up a State Church. However the 501(c)(3) tax exemption, and the government's instruction to the churches as to what it may do and teach to keep the exemption, have set up all the tax-exempt churches as a State Church.
I hear ya, bro. Christianity is obviously the state religion. Officials are sworn in with a Christian bible, and "God" is all over government property even though atheists are trying to get rid of it.
I don't understand. I am not an American, but when I received the revelation of UR, my understanding on how to interpret scripture changed completely. I now know that Revelations is a completely symbolic book. How can you then, having understood UR then go off into all of this ooky spookyness of endtime prophecies like they are real when we should know better? :dontknow: :punish: :doh:
Quote from: watchman1706 on October 22, 2013, 02:33:22 AM
I don't understand. I am not an American, but when I received the revelation of UR, my understanding on how to interpret scripture changed completely. I now know that Revelations is a completely symbolic book. How can you then, having understood UR then go off into all of this ooky spookyness of endtime prophecies like they are real when we should know better? :dontknow: :punish: :doh:
I'm not as interested in the book of Revelation as some folks because I think it's simply the story about the fulfillment of prophecy concerning Israel. It's the last book of the bible, but it's not really the end of the story. Christ was a Jew, and he came to earth to minister to the Jews exclusively before he died. It was the risen Christ who commissioned Paul with a distinct evangel to those of us of the nations. Paul actually completed the word of God. Paul tells of the consummation of the eons when all mankind will be vivified, the universe will be reconciled to God, and God will be all in all.
http://concordant.org/expohtml/CorrectPartitioning/CorrectlyCutting.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/evil026.html
http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html
Because Jesus and the Holy spirit and God testify aboutit.
Quote from: Tom on October 22, 2013, 03:31:19 AM
Quote from: watchman1706 on October 22, 2013, 02:33:22 AM
I don't understand. I am not an American, but when I received the revelation of UR, my understanding on how to interpret scripture changed completely. I now know that Revelations is a completely symbolic book. How can you then, having understood UR then go off into all of this ooky spookyness of endtime prophecies like they are real when we should know better? :dontknow: :punish: :doh:
I'm not as interested in the book of Revelation as some folks because I think it's simply the end of the story about the Hebrew people. Christ was one of them and came to earth to minister to them exclusively before he died. It was the risen Christ that commissioned Paul with a distinct evangel to those of us of the nations which actually completes the word of God. Paul tells of the true end of the story, beyond simply the destiny of Israel on earth, which is the consummation of the eons when all mankind will be vivified, the universe will be reconciled to God, and God will be all in all.
http://concordant.org/expohtml/CorrectPartitioning/CorrectlyCutting.html
http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html
I believe the Book of Revelation is (also) the culmination of all man's history.. the end of the story..
the proving and proof that one cannot build upon sand / without YHWH who, imo, is Life itself (and also Perfection)
And :smile: I believe "Judgment Day" to be a
long day of the review of all of mankind's history with the
proof (to aLL) being the collapse and crash of man's YHWH-less works, at the 'end'.. It being the story and
lesson of all human history as a whole, and also the lesson and story of every single person's life.. same story.. same illustration.. same lesson, something veRy important God is teaching.. this knowing of good from evil -
Life from death - and - true from untrue..
:girlheart: God bless!
Quote from: watchman1706 on October 22, 2013, 02:33:22 AM
I don't understand. I am not an American, but when I received the revelation of UR, my understanding on how to interpret scripture changed completely. I now know that Revelations is a completely symbolic book. How can you then, having understood UR then go off into all of this ooky spookyness of endtime prophecies like they are real when we should know better? :dontknow: :punish: :doh:
I too believe the book of Revelation or more specifically the vision of John to be 100% symbolic.
It's a Prophecy with it's roots in many Old Testament Prophecies.
I see the story about the Word of God in Revelation. This includes Christ (Word) and the people who carried and carry the Word in them but to me the Word is what Revelation is all about. A lot of the death, battles and bombastic language in Revelation is about the Word being killed. I could argue that Darwinism is in Revelation. Darwin didn't kill anyone but people are considered killed in Revelation when they are without the Word. It's hard to tell real death from spiritual death in Revelation.
Good points,guys! itis allabout putting to death the testimony of Christ andthe Wordof God
.....mandoesnotliveby breadalone..butby every wordof God..to knowHimis tohave eternallife
...sothe forces against truth/spirit is also anenemy that manshould beinthe image of God..
Cease the Holy one of Israelbefore me!!
man,thoughin honour[of the image f God]withoutunderstanding..is asthe beast.....
....thus we behold the carnalwarfare..atrocities evidenced inthis earth......
.....the power to become thesonsof God.......is by the Spirit andwordf God intruth.......
a body sold untosin's law.......even though the spirit in man is willing...isweak
But Godhasdeemeditso....BY MY SPIRIT........
Hehasdecreed'nofleshshall boast"eventhe saints flesh....He has concluded all insin
forthis very purpose...that it beby Hisspirit