Brace Yourselves

[sparrow]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

I wasn't debating you.
I was merely giving my point of view.

:dontknow:

No problem and I am giving you my point of view. You acted as if only what he had to say warrants for a certain feeling right now. Maybe for you, but I did not have to read anything he said to feel like it.

Ok... now that last post was slightly skewed, SPOKENFOR.

I wasn't saying that I got that feeling ONLY AFTER what I read what Willie had to say.

What I was saying, is that Willie articulated, put into words the REASON why we have that feeling.

GOD is what brings forth that feeling. Willie just put it into words the reason WHY God brings forth that feeling.

[SPOKENFOR]

Never mind Sparrow....Praise the Lord honey, do what you feel right now dear.

[SPOKENFOR]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

I wasn't debating you.
I was merely giving my point of view.

:dontknow:

No problem and I am giving you my point of view. You acted as if only what he had to say warrants for a certain feeling right now. Maybe for you, but I did not have to read anything he said to feel like it.

Ok... now that last post was slightly skewed, SPOKENFOR.

I wasn't saying that I got that feeling ONLY AFTER what I read what Willie had to say.

What I was saying, is that Willie articulated, put into words the REASON why we have that feeling.

GOD is what brings forth that feeling. Willie just put it into words the reason WHY God brings forth that feeling.

Ok, and that is a wonderful thing. Now, I am praising God for a different reason.

[sparrow]

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

What do I have to hear right now to make me shout or praise God?

And you praise him "in spite of".. in spite of what?

Perhaps this will shed some light on what you are saying and we can understand each other.

I don't know, you said it not me.

You are shouting for your own reasons, and I am for mine..

You are misunderstanding what I am saying, I think...

You said this:

"I have decided to praise him in spite of."


I am asking you... Why do you say "in spite of."

In spite of..what?


I'm just asking for clarification on your words.
Nothing more, nothing less...

[sparrow]

Never mind Sparrow....Praise the Lord honey, do what you feel right now dear.

Why nevermind?

I mean if you don't want to discuss anymore.. that's cool, I guess.

[peacemaker]

"Fear is the darkroom, where many develop their negatives."

peacemaker

[SPOKENFOR]

Can we drop this, please?

Sparrow,

Please do not try to read into other peoples mind and judge their motives and intentions. You do not know where I am right now in my head and what I am thinking about to make me say I praise the Lord in spite of.

Does it matter what I mean by in spite of and why I am praising the Lord.

You are taking this to a place it does not need to be taken to, seriously.

Maybe I am just thinking about the Goodness of God in SPITE OF what I am going through right now in my own personal life.

Maybe I am just thinking about the Goodness of God in SPITE OF what is happening around me right now.

Maybe I am just thinking about a time that God did something for me and I feel like praising him.

What difference does it make to you to question what I mean by in spite of?

Do you ever praise God just because?

In SPITE Of maybe having reasons that you would otherwise not want to praise him?

[sparrow]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

I wasn't debating you.
I was merely giving my point of view.

:dontknow:

No problem and I am giving you my point of view. You acted as if only what he had to say warrants for a certain feeling right now. Maybe for you, but I did not have to read anything he said to feel like it.

Ok... now that last post was slightly skewed, SPOKENFOR.

I wasn't saying that I got that feeling ONLY AFTER what I read what Willie had to say.

What I was saying, is that Willie articulated, put into words the REASON why we have that feeling.

GOD is what brings forth that feeling. Willie just put it into words the reason WHY God brings forth that feeling.

Ok, and that is a wonderful thing. Now, I am praising God for a different reason.

What is the key difference that you see?


Just asking because perhaps this is where the difference in our views comes or perhaps our views aren't as different as we think?

[sparrow]

Can we drop this, please?

Sparrow,

Please do not try to read into other peoples mind and judge their motives and intentions. You do not know where I am right now in my head and what I am thinking about to make me say I praise the Lord in spite of.

Does it matter what I mean by in spite of and why I am praising the Lord.

You are taking this to a place it does not need to be taken to, seriously.

Maybe I am just thinking about the Goodness of God in SPITE OF what I am going through right now in my own personal life.

Maybe I am just thinking about the Goodness of God in SPITE OF what is happening around me right now.

Maybe I am just thinking about a time that God did something for me and I feel like praising him.

What difference does it make to you to question what I mean by in spite of?

Do you ever praise God just because?

In SPITE Of maybe having reasons that you would otherwise not want to praise him?

Wow. Ok...

it's dropped.

[SPOKENFOR]

This is what I feel like in spite of whatever in life, whatever it brings...... I feel like shouting!...I feel like singing and praising!  :bgdance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMzirVEyeg&feature=related

Me too.

But see.. from my point of view..Willie's post reflects it.
What Willie is saying brings forth that feeling...


y'know? 

That is from 'your' perspective and point of view right now. I understand what he is saying totally, and what is say is true....But, I speak from another side of life as well as that one. I have been there and am there and I am also 'here' at this place too.

Sister, that is what you have to hear right now to make you shout or praise God. I have decided to praise him in spite of.

BTW, Have you read my other post, the last long one? I believe I still have a reason to shout even I never read his.

So, you do you and I will do me...and I won't debate why either on of us will feel like praising the Lord right now... That is not even appropriate, I am not going there.

I wasn't debating you.
I was merely giving my point of view.

:dontknow:

No problem and I am giving you my point of view. You acted as if only what he had to say warrants for a certain feeling right now. Maybe for you, but I did not have to read anything he said to feel like it.

Ok... now that last post was slightly skewed, SPOKENFOR.

I wasn't saying that I got that feeling ONLY AFTER what I read what Willie had to say.

What I was saying, is that Willie articulated, put into words the REASON why we have that feeling.

GOD is what brings forth that feeling. Willie just put it into words the reason WHY God brings forth that feeling.

Ok, and that is a wonderful thing. Now, I am praising God for a different reason.

What is the key difference that you see?


Just asking because perhaps this is where the difference in our views comes or perhaps our views aren't as different as we think?

I am going to drop this now. This is really becoming a totally useless conversation Sparrow..that is actually getting me out of a praising mood.

I just feel like Praising the Lord Sparrow. I just feel like Praising the Lord, that is all. I feel like getting offline and putting on some music undisturbed and praise MY GOD JUST BECAUSE he has been so good to me.

I know we are having this conversation on judgment and such.

Trust me, My mind is here right now, but is gone another place where I just feel like Praising the Lord IN SPITE of MANY things right now. Too long of a list to get into, I just feel like praising God.

[sparrow]

Just for the record...
I was only trying to discuss.

Isn't that what a discussion board is?

I'm not sure why it has to be "dropped".

your response caught my by surprise.
That is why I posted what I did in my last post.

I'm not trying to make anyone angry..
I'm not reading into other peoples minds or judging their motives or intentions.
Do you know why I am not? Because I am asking you questions. That is your proof.
I am asking what is on your mind...
so that I DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE of reading into your mind.


but you are telling me to drop it.

So I don't know what to do with that.

[sparrow]

 :dontknow:


I hope you have a peaceful rest of the day, SPOKENFOR.

Just because someone asks you a question on a message board, doesn't mean you have to answer right away. You can just tell the person "let me get back to you" or something.
It's not a big deal. We just happened to be posting at the same time. Anyone can back out of a discussion at any time. It's a message board, that is it's nature. Sometimes it seems like a chatroom because people are posting simultaneously so all of a sudden you can start to feel this "pressure" to immediately post a response.

Perhaps that is where the breakdown in communication arose?

Well, I do hope that you come back at a later time and respond.

Like I said, I hope you have a peaceful rest of the day.

Until then,
I look forward to talking to you again,
sparrow

[SPOKENFOR]

Just for the record...
I was only trying to discuss.

Isn't that what a discussion board is?

I'm not sure why it has to be "dropped".

your response caught my by surprise.
That is why I posted what I did in my last post.

I'm not trying to make anyone angry..
I'm not reading into other peoples minds or judging their motives or intentions.
Do you know why I am not? Because I am asking you questions. That is your proof.
I am asking what is on your mind...
so that I DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE of reading into your mind.


but you are telling me to drop it.

So I don't know what to do with that.

What is on my mind? Honestly, right now I am getting irritated, which means it is time for me to log off and bow out of the conversation and get alone with God right now.

I just feel like praising the Lord.

I have been listening to this song all day, it is a song my Grandmother loved and we praised the Lord off of at her funeral two years ago. It makes me want to praise the Lord when I think of his goodness. It makes me want to praise him IN SPITE OF...for no apparent reason, though there are many.>Just because I feel like it right now. Just because he has kept me sane and spared my life and took me through so much and I am still alive. Just because I know he is good in SPITE OF what comes. Come what may, I trust him enough to praise him in the storms of life...when I have and when I do not..when I understand and when I do not understand.

Sorry,

But, it is just time for me to log off..I feel I am getting irritated a bit.....I do not not feel like debating why I said in spite of.

Perhaps we both have misunderstood each other.

[sparrow]

Ok, SpokenFor....
that's all you had to say sister.

(your "in spite of") reasons.

That's what I was trying to clarify.


We ALL have our part in the lake of fire.
Your struggles, my struggles, Willie's struggles...

WE are all in this together.

My questioning you was my trying to bring YOU out... bring YOUR thoughts and ideas OUT...
My questioning you wasn't trying to put you into a box or trying to LABEL you or judge you. It was the opposite of what I think you thought, sis.


I think the conversations veered off into some odd place and nothing was making sense.

Perhaps at a later date, we can put it back on the road and get it moving again.

peace.

[Zeek]

http://www.chosentoremember.com/chapt_1.htm

[Paul Hazelwood]

I have power over you so I beat you to death just because I can (if I am "all" powerful, then I didn't really have to do that, but I tell you it's for a good reason), then I nurse you back to health, eventually you may come to realize that your never going to beat me, so , you just accept it, but you will not really have any love.

It's really a left over remnant of ET or even annihilation teaching that has allowed me to see an even more wonderful picture of God.

:thumbsup:

Only one  :thumbsup: sparrow. They are for free...

Paul it's not that I disagree. I sorta agree but still I have some sort of fight/doubt inside myself about it.
I think it's correct to say Jesus warned about punishment. Ok, it wasn't about lava pit but it wasn't about hitting you once with a cotton pad neither. So I'm looking for a balance. God is love etc. But denying punishment of some sort isn't scriputal either.
Right now, for me, it's a paradox.

It's ok if you disagree,  and I am not negating judgment.  But when people say something like  "Who are we to say what God will do" they say that by presenting the picture of what "God told them" is coming our way.  So then they contradict themselves by painting a picture of what they say God will do.

So, since I cannot prove what I went through to become different through the miracle I know, all I can do is share.  There is a lot I lost along the way in my physical world both physically and emotionally.   God does not free us from the law of reaping what we sow, but what we reap, may not be readily seen by the observance of what we think others deserve.

What I will not do as many do WW is claim you are in a slumber, deceived, need a veil lifted, etc.  to falsely posture my faith because you do not see it my way.

We all are where we are, but I know the mercy I have been shown in life and only hope the same for others.  It doesn't make me perfect but that's where I am at.   

[Molly]

COSMIC DECEPTION: LET THE CITIZEN BEWARE

by Steven M. Greer M.D.
Director, The Disclosure Project

http://www.disclosureproject.org

Copyright 2002



Imagine this. It is the summer of 2001, and someone presents you with a script for a movie or book that tells how a diabolical terrorist plot unfolds wherein both 110 story World Trade Center towers and part of the Pentagon are destroyed by commercial jets hijacked and flown into those structures.

Of course you would laugh, and if you were a movie mogul or book editor, reject it out of hand as ridiculous and implausible, even for a fictional novel or movie. After all, how could a commercial jet, being tracked on radar after two jets had already hit the World Trade towers, make it through our air defenses, into the most sensitive airspace in the world, and in broad daylight on a crystal clear day, slam into the Pentagon! And this in a country that spends over $1 billion a day to defend itself! Absurd, illogical - nobody would swallow it!

Unfortunately, there are some of us who have seen these scripts - and of far worse things to come - and we are not laughing.

One of the few silver linings to these recent tragedies is that maybe - just maybe - people will take seriously, however far-fetched it may seem at first, the prospect that a shadowy, para-governmental and transnational entity exists that has kept UFOs secret - and is planning a deception and tragedy that will dwarf the events of 9/11.

The testimony of hundreds of government, military and corporate insiders has established this: That UFOs are real, that some are built by our secret 'black' shadowy government projects and some are from extraterrestrial civilizations, and that a group has kept this secret so that the technology behind the UFO can be withheld - until the right time. This technology can - and eventually will - replace the need for oil, gas, coal, ionizing nuclear power, and other centralized and highly destructive energy systems.

This 5 trillion dollar industry - energy and transportation - is currently highly centralized, metered and lucrative. It is the stuff that runs the entire industrialized world. It is the mother of all special interests. It is not about money as you and I think of it, but about geo-political power - the very centralized power on which the current order in the world runs. The world is kept in a state of roiling wars, endless poverty for most of Earth's denizens and global environmental ruin, just to prop up this evil world order.

As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space.

To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.

Since 1992 I have seen this script unveiled to me by at least a dozen well-placed insiders. Of course, initially I laughed, thinking this just too absurd and far-fetched. Dr. Rosin gave her testimony to the Disclosure Project before 9/11. And yet others told me explicitly that things that looked like UFOs but that are built and under the control of deeply secretive 'black' projects, were being used to simulate - hoax - ET-appearing events, including some abductions and cattle mutilations, to sow the early seeds of cultural fear regarding life in outer space. And that at some point after global terrorism, events would unfold that would utilize the now-revealed Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs, or reversed-engineered UFOs made by humans by studying actual ET craft - see the book "Disclosure" by the same author) to hoax an attack on Earth.

Like the movie "Independence Day", an attempt to unite the world through militarism would unfold using ET as the new cosmic scapegoat (think Jews during the Third Reich).

None of this is new to me or other insiders. The report from Iron Mountain, NY, written in the 1960s, described the need to demonize life in outer space so we could have a new enemy. An enemy off-planet that could unite humans (in fear and war) and that would prove to be the ultimate prop for the trillion dollar military industrial complex that conservative Republican President and five star general Eisenhower warned us about in 1961 (no one was listening then, either...).

So here is the post-9/11 script - one that will be played out unless enough people are informed and the plan can be foiled because they will be unable to fool a sufficient number of citizens and leaders:

After a period of terrorism - a period during which the detonation of nuclear devices will be threatened and possibly actuated, thus justifying expanding the weaponization of space - an effort will ramp up to present the public with information about a threat from outer space. Not just asteroids hitting the Earth, but other threats. An extraterrestrial threat.

Over the past 40 years, UFOlogy, as it is called, combined with a mighty media machine, has increasingly demonized ETs via fearsome movies like "Independence Day", and pseudo-science that presents alien kidnappings and abuse as a fact (in some circles) of modern life. That some humans have had contact with ETs I have no doubt; that the real ET contact has been subsumed in an ocean of hoaxed accounts I am certain.

That is, real ET events are seldom reported out to the public. The Machine ensures that the hoaxed, frightening and intrinsically xenophobic accounts are the ones seen and read by millions. This mental conditioning to fear ET has been subtly reinforced for decades, in preparation for future deceptions. Deceptions that will make 9/11 look trivial.

I write this now because I have recently been contacted by several highly placed media and intelligence sources that have made it clear to me that hoaxed events and story-lines are imminent that will attempt to further ramp up the fear machine regarding UFOs and ETs. After all, to have an enemy, you must make the people hate and fear a person, a group of people, or in this case an entire category of beings.

To be clear: the maniacal covert programs controlling UFO secrecy, ARVs and related technologies - including those technologies that can simulate ET events, ET abductions and the like - plan to hijack Disclosure, spin it into the fire of fear, and roll out events that will eventually present ETs as a new enemy. Do not be deceived.

This hogwash, already the stuff of countless books, videos, movies, documentaries and the like, will attempt to glom onto the facts, evidence and first-hand insider testimony of The Disclosure Project, and on its coattails, deliver to the world the cosmic deception that falsely portrays ETs as a threat from space. Do not be deceived.

By commingling fact with fiction, and by hoaxing UFO events that can look terrifying, the Plan is to eventually create a new, sustainable, off-planet enemy. And who will be the wiser?

You will. Because now you know that after 60 years, trillions of dollars and the best scientific minds in the world pressed into action, a secretive, shadowy group - a government within the government and at once fully outside the government as we know it - has mastered the technologies, the art of deception, and the capability to launch an attack on Earth and make it look like ETs did it. In 1997, I brought a man to Washington to brief members of Congress and others about this plan. Our entire team at the time met this man. He had been present at planning sessions when ARVs - things built by Lockheed, Northrup, et al, and housed in secretive locations around the world - would be used to simulate an attack on certain assets, making leaders and citizens alike believe that there was a threat from space, when there is none. (Before he could testify, his handlers spirited him away to a secret location in Virginia until the briefing was over...) Sound familiar? Wernher von Braun warned of such a hoax, as a pretext for putting war in space. And many others have warned of the same.

Space based weapons are already in place - part of a secret parallel space program that has been operating since the 1960s. ARVs are built and ready to go (see the book "Disclosure" and the chapter with the testimony of Mark McCandlish, et al). Space holographic deception technologies are in place, tested and ready to fire. And the Big Media is a pawn, now taking dictation from the right hand of the king.

I know this all sounds like science fiction. Absurd. Impossible. Just like 9/11 would have sounded before 9/11. But the unthinkable happened and may happen again, unless we are vigilant.

Combine all of this with the current atmosphere of fear and manipulation and there is a real risk of suspending our collective judgment and our constitution.

But know this: If there was a threat from outer space, we would have known about it as soon as humans started exploding nuclear weapons and going into space with manned travel. That we are still breathing the free air of Earth, given the galacticly stupid and reckless actions of an out of control, illegal, secret group, is abundant testimony to the restraint and peaceful intentions of these visitors. The threat is wholly human. And it is we who must address this threat, rein it in and transform the current situation of war, destruction and secret manipulation to one of true Disclosure and an era of sustained peace.

War in space, to replace war on Earth, is not evolution, but cosmic madness. A world thus united in fear is worse than one divided by ignorance. It is now time for the great leap into the future, a leap that moves us out of fear and ignorance and into an unbroken era of universal peace. Know that this is our destiny. And it will be ours just as soon as we choose it.

Steven M. Greer M.D.
Director, The Disclosure Project
Albemarle County, Virginia
June, 2002

http://www.disclosureproject.org

[Molly]

The Greatest Secret in Modern History
UFOs and a Solution to the Environmental and Energy Crisis

The Cover-up: UFOs

Mercury & Gemini Astronaut, Colonel Gordon Cooper
A saucer flew right over [us] and landed out on the dry lakebed. [The cameramen] went out with their cameras towards the UFO. I had a chance to hold [the film] up to the window to look at it. Good close-up shots. There was no doubt in my mind that it was someplace other than on this Earth. -- Video interview. Transcribed in Disclosure, Steven M. Greer, MD., ed., pp. 226 - 227.

FAA Division Chief of Accidents and Investigations, John Callahan
The UFO was bouncing around the 747....Well, I've been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. I've got a videotape. I've got the voice tape. I've got the reports that were filed. -- Video interview and Disclosure, pp. 80 - 85.

Russian Air Force, Space Communications Center, General Vasily Alexeyev
They came up with a table with pictures of all the shapes of UFOs that had ever been recorded - about fifty....The study of UFOs may reveal some new forms of energy to us, or at least bring us closer to a solution. -- Disclosure, pp. 345 - 347.

Former Director of CIA, Admiral R.H. Hillenkoetter
Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel. -- The New York Times, Sunday, February 28, 1960: "Air Force Order on 'Saucers' Cited," p. L30. See also Disclosure, p. 58.

Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries, Spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin
Von Braun [rocket science pioneer] told me [in 1974] the reasons for space-based weaponry were all based on a lie. He said the strategy was that first the Russians, then the terrorists are going to be considered the enemy. The next enemy was asteroids. "The last card is the alien card, and all of it is a lie."....I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in the War Room. The conversation [was] about how they were going to antagonize these enemies, and there was going to be a Gulf War. Now this is 1977! -- pp. 255 - 259.

More Cover-up: Advanced Technologies Developed from UFOs

US Marine Corps, Captain Bill Uhouse
The [flight] simulator was for the extraterrestrial craft they had - a 30 meter one that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, back in 1953. I was inside the actual alien craft for a start-up. There are probably two or three dozen [flying saucers] that we built. -- Disclosure, pp. 384, 385.

US Army, Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering, Colonel Thomas E. Bearden
Probably 50 inventors have invented [virtually cost-free energy systems]. If we use these systems, we can clean up this biosphere. But the entire structure of science, industry, and the patent office are against you....The more powerful the agency, the more they resort not only to legal, but to extra-legal means to suppress their competition. -- Disclosure, pp. 534-542. See also www.cheniere.org.

Disclosure Project, Founder and Director, Steven M. Greer, M.D.
The situation is so dire that senior Joint Chiefs of Staff leaders in the Pentagon who I have briefed have no more access to such projects than any other civilian-unless they are on the 'inside.' The government is really quite outside the loop. We have insiders and scientists who can prove that we do in fact possess energy generation systems capable of completely and permanently replacing all forms of currently used energy generation and transportation systems. Every single person who is concerned about the environment and the human future should call for urgent hearings to allow these technologies to be disclosed, declassified, and safely applied. -- Disclosure, pp. 14, 15, 567. See also Dr. Greer's websites at www.disclosureproject.org, and www.seaspower.com.

For full story see book Disclosure and witness videos at www.disclosureproject.org.
Disclosure Project has over 400 government and military witnesses prepared to testify on this subject.

[WhiteWings]

It's ok if you disagree  

(At this point) I'm don't disagree. Neither do I agree. To do so I need to understand what I dis/agree with.
Right now your understanding can be wrong. Or mine. I learned a few things from the Bible over the past months. Sometimes I think I get a fairly good overview (not claiming details). But then like with posts like yours I no longer know for sure. There is a conflict somewhere. Could be your view. My view. Both our views. I simply don't know. As said I even have a discussion with myself about it.... :winkgrin:

But when people say something like  "Who are we to say what God will do" they say that by presenting the picture of what "God told them" is coming our way.  So then they contradict themselves by painting a picture of what they say God will do.

I don't agree with you. But I'm not sure it's because you are 'wrong' or because of the difference between Dutch and English...
The way I understand "Who are we to say what God will do" is that we have no right/power to influence the ways of God.
In Dutch that sorta means that you possible don't agree but will just follow the higher power. And to follow that higher power you need to 'paint a picture' of the wishes of that higher power. So I see no contradiction. But my guess right now is that your 'painting a picture' means forcing the ways of God according to that picture.
If that is true this shows to me how difficult translating is. We both live in modern societies, same time, similar language structure. Not unsimilar laws. etc. But we have different understandings of things. Now imagine reading a 5000 year old book completely different society with another type of language.

God does not free us from the law of reaping what we sow, but what we reap, may not be readily seen by the observance of what we think others deserve.

I need a little more explanation on that Paul...
What does '...readily seen...' mean? God saves judgements for the afterlife or lets say because you sweared God punishes you by cutting your finger?

What I will not do as many do WW is claim you are in a slumber, deceived, need a veil lifted, etc.

I lived with myself all my life  :winkgrin: so I do know I need education on what the Bible means. And the more I learn the more I know I'm not the perfect saint God has in mind...

to falsely posture my faith because you do not see it my way

Don't worry Paul noone has ever been able to do so. I collect all info. Analyse. Compare. Look for contradictions. etc etc. Only then I make up my mind. I'm not the type of person that says "It's true because Jerry Springer said so!"

We all are where we are, but I know the mercy I have been shown in life and only hope the same for others.  It doesn't make me perfect but that's where I am at.

I'm here. And I'm here to learn. And I learn by asking. And by playing out contradicting views against each other. Only one view can be right. Or both (partly) wrong. That my feel like an attack. But it's a way of learning.

I like what you say about the veil. Lately I've been accused being here for promoting satans work because I'm veiled.
The way I see it from a Biblical pov is that noone can see his/her own veil. I you can then the veil is removed. You can see (spiritual) changes life; but because the way the Bible decribes that veil you never know if a veil is added or removed. Or that there are still veils remaining. Personally I think only Jesus had no veils. Meaning we all have a veil. (some more than others)

So no attack. No disagreement. Just drilling for the truth.

[firstborn888]

     Well,  we know that very terrible things are going to happen on this planet as this age draws to an end. I think much of it will be caused by people,  other than the specific judgments of God in Revelation for example.

Actually - we don't KNOW that. In context, the Olivet discourse wasn't talking about THIS age .

  I think much of it will be caused by people,  other than the specific judgments of God in Revelation for example.

That's my contention - evil people are causing the hurt and destruction. Not God. So a LACK of God knowledge is the source of destruction. 

There are many people now,  of very corrupt minds,  destitute of truth,  and who are filled with hatred for everyone outside their religion.  And they particularly hate Israel and America.   I would not be a bit surprised,  if America,  sadly,   comes under attack from these evil people in the very near future,  and it may very well involve wmd attacks.      Will God protect America from these monsters?  I don't know.

And if a nuke hits NY tomorrow and the whole thing burns up Wilkerson and others will say "God did it" (well Wilkerson may not say anything - I think he's in NY  :mshock:).

That's why when the first line of the OP says "I know many on here do not believe that anything is going to happen in the near future in America," I think SF may have misunderstood my objections on another thread. Terrible things can and DO happen everywhere on earth, I'm just saying GOD is not going to burn up/crush/torment the masses.

[firstborn888]

The way I see it from a Biblical pov is that noone can see his/her own veil. I you can then the veil is removed. You can see (spiritual) changes life; but because the way the Bible decribes that veil you never know if a veil is added or removed. Or that there are still veils remaining. Personally I think only Jesus had no veils. Meaning we all have a veil. (some more than others)

Wisdomous words there  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[SPOKENFOR]

Ok, SpokenFor....
that's all you had to say sister.

(your "in spite of") reasons.

That's what I was trying to clarify.


We ALL have our part in the lake of fire.
Your struggles, my struggles, Willie's struggles...

WE are all in this together.

My questioning you was my trying to bring YOU out... bring YOUR thoughts and ideas OUT...
My questioning you wasn't trying to put you into a box or trying to LABEL you or judge you. It was the opposite of what I think you thought, sis.


I think the conversations veered off into some odd place and nothing was making sense.

Perhaps at a later date, we can put it back on the road and get it moving again.

peace.

No problem, I just did not feel like explaining at the moment why I felt like Praising the Lord, being a number of reasons..and it seemed odd the way it was asked,etc.

Anyway, no problem and no hard feelings.

[Beloved Servant]

Nothing wrong with that.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRayKxgePQI

[SPOKENFOR]

I have been reading the entire book of Luke today. It was as if God was confirming to me what he has me saying at this hour regardless of what anyone else thinks. I will continue to tell people it is time to repent.

I was particular drawn to the verses below as well in Luke. I find that Jesus did not spare them in telling them that it was time to repent or else they would/COULD receive the same judgments, and it had nothing to do with who sin was bigger than another..But, to repent of sin.

Being that a towel fell and destroyed some people, Jesus is saying they too could also see this kind of fate if they did not repent.

This message is particularly but not just to those who do not know the Lord. It is also a call for us who do to get serious about our walk with God.

Interpret as you wish or the the Spirit of God leads.

Luke 13:1-5

1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish

[SPOKENFOR]

Nothing wrong with that.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRayKxgePQI

Amen.....to that!.....phew!......

I just downloaded a song and the song only had 17 seconds...talk about wanting to scream right now...instead, I better just Praise him in spite of..