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Belief that one is destined for hell can result in experiencing hell

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_The Jesus Secret: Who I Am_ by Daniel Yordy (2007), 197pp., on 114
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Secret-Who-Am/dp/147913208X/
My Father has an absolute law that cannot be changed. Every living soul must receive what he or she believes. Some are still convinced that the "man of sin" is very much alive in them and must still be crucified. Pay no attention. How can evil live in the same Heart that I have made My Throne? But I told you clearly that everything inside of you that God once hated, that needed to die, is DEAD. And I command you to believe it is so. As you believe that you are really and truly free from sin and really and truly alive to God-- so shall you receive!
The others? They also will achieve what they believe to be true. Believing that My Cross is finished in you is as important as believing that I live in you.
Stand in My Grace.

_Misfit in Hell to Heaven Expat:  Lessons from a Dark Near-Death Experience and How to Avoid Hell in the Afterlife_ (2020), 468pp., on 460- 462, 468
https://www.amazon.com/Misfit-Hell-Heaven-Expat-Near-Death/dp/1952146127/
interview of her:
Good Catholic Goes to Hell; Says Religion Is to Blame
https://youtu.be/MfOAvfwEMVs
We all have the same task of being loving and kind to others, and ourselves, in this life.
I guess I needed a jumpstart to open my eyes and heart to the reality of our common flawed existence and to what our loving God has planned for us.
...
One morning, as I gazed at the picture of Jesus I keep on my bedside table, I asked God what I needed to do to never go to hell again.
How can I go to heaven instead?
I heard my Voice very clearly repeating:
_Loving and kind, loving and kind, loving and kind_.
...
My new morning mantra was easy to remember:
_"Jesus, help me to be loving and kind."_
A few months later, as I looked at His picture, I heard the words "merciful and forgiving."
...
Two more words came to me later that year:
"encouraging and grateful."
...
After another long period, I was told,
"Nonjudgmental."
Ouch!  
This reminder came at a particularly relevant time.
A few months ago, one last word was shared with me.
I was told to be "useful."
...
The second part of my avoidance of hell starts with a firm belief in my own getting directly into God's realm after my next death, as so many other NDE experiencers did.
...
I choose to believe in God's unconditional and unparalleled love and mercy for me, and await with as much confidence as my weak human self can muster for the incredible and overwhelming experience of being joined with God again, and to finally being Home to stay.
...
There is no "opt-out" box to check when you die, so please prepare thoughtfully.

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Love created me like Himself.
Holiness created me holy.
Kindness created me kind.
Helpfulness created me helpful.
Love created me loving.
Perfection created me perfect.
-- based on
https://acim.org/acim/lesson-67/love-created-me-like-itself/en/s/470

Genesis 1:27 (NIV)
https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-27.htm
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Genesis 9:6b (New Living)
https://biblehub.com/genesis/9-6.htm
...God made human beings in his own image.

2 Cor 4:4b (NIV)
https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-4.htm
...Christ, who is the image of God.

Matthew 5:48 (NIV)
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-48.htm
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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_The Message of Sadhu Sundar Singh:  A Study in Mysticism on Practical Religion_ by B.H. Streeter and A.J. Appasamy (1922), 209pp., 95-96, 99-102
https://archive.org/stream/themessageofsadh00streuoft/themessageofsadh00streuoft_djvu.txt
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1293189901/
"There [in heaven] we realize not only the desires we have known in this life, but desires, which we did not even know that we had, are opened up and realized, because there is everything to satisfy them.  There I am satisfied, there there is nothing more to ask.  It is wonderful!  That is our home.

"I asked one of the Spirits the meaning of the passage in St. John:  'I said, Ye are gods.'  I was told that man has innumerable desires, and that these show that he is going to make infinite progress when in Heaven.  There we have more capacities than we have hairs of our head here.

"Another time I asked what Christ meant by saying, 'Be ye perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.'  He did not say 'Be perfect as the angels or the prophets.'  I had been puzzled by this.  Does it mean that we shall become God; and, if so, shall we rebel against Him?  They told me there that God wants us to be equal to Him, because Love always wants an object for affection equal to itself.  Just as men are not satisfied with loving animals merely, so God wants us to be equal to Him.  But if we became so, we could not rebel:  for we should then have an infinite knowledge of the Love of God, and that would bring with it infinite thankfulness.  There is no jealousy in Heaven.  Our Heavenly Father wants us to be made equal to Him.  There is no jealousy in Heaven.  There are differences of degree, but there are no disagreements.  Everyone is always on everyone else's side, and those who are low down in the scale feel so proud that their elder brothers are so big.
....
THE LAST JUDGMENT
"I inquired once, 'Will the dead stand in a line all together and be judged?'  I was told, No; after leaving the body the soul knows everything that has happened to it.  The memory of it all is clear and fresh, and thereby they are judged.  The heavenly light shows the wicked to themselves; they see at once that they cannot live in that fellowship of saints and angels.  They feel so out of place there, they find everything so uncongenial that they ask to be allowed to go away from Heaven.  Men are not turned out of Heaven by God.  Heaven is not a place with walls and gates where you have to ask for a ticket of admission.  The ticket of admission is the life a man has led.

"Those who are born again can see the Kingdom of Heaven and feel at home there, those who are not cannot do so.  This is the real judgment, and it is a judgment that is going on every day.  It is not effected by an act of God interposing between ourselves and Him, it is internal.  The Last Judgment will be a proclamation of the final result, when every true servant of God will be exalted before the whole creation.

"I was also told that in this world our spiritual bodies are inside our material bodies, and that when we sin it is like when we press with a point on paper behind which is a sheet of carbon; on the outside of the paper there is a very slight mark, but inside there is a clear black mark.  Thus our sins mark and scar our spiritual bodies, and the result of this will be seen when, after death, the spiritual body escapes from the material; and the revelation of the injury it has sustained will in itself be a large part of the judgment.

HELL
"I was also told that the love of God operates even in Hell.  God does not shine in His full light, because those there could not bear it, but He gradually shows them more and more light, and by and by brings them on and moves their conscience towards something better, although they think that the desire is entirely their own.

Thus God works on their minds from within, something in the same way, though in the opposite direction, as that in which Satan suggests temptation to us here.  Thus, what with God's work within and the Light without, almost all those in Hell will ultimately be brought to Christ's feet.  It will perhaps take millions of ages, but when it is attained they will be full of joy and thankfulness towards God; though they will still be less happy than those who have accepted Christ on earth.  Thus Hell also is a training school, a place of preparation for Home.  Those in Hell know that it is not their home because they suffer there.  Men were not created for Hell and therefore do not enjoy it, and, when there, desire to escape to Heaven.  They do so, but they find Heaven even more uncongenial than Hell, so they return.  But this convinces them that there is something wrong in their lives, and thus they are gradually led to repentance.  At least, that is the case with the majority, but there are some few personalities, Satan for instance, in regard to whom I was told, 'Don't ask about them.'  And so I didn't like to ask, but I hoped that for them also there was some hope.

"They also told me that the Saints help in the work of saving souls in Hell, because there can be no idleness in Heaven.  Those in Hell will ultimately be brought to Heaven like the prodigal son, but with regard to the ultimate fate of a certain number you must not ask."  The Sadhu is inclined to think that perhaps these few will be annihilated.

"Once I said, 'So many people will be lost because they have not heard of Christ.'  They said, 'The contrary will be the case; very few will be lost.'  There is a kind of heavenly joke, no, joke is not a good word for it.  'Very few will be lost but many will be saved.  It is so, but don't tell,' they said, as it were, in jest, 'because it will make men careless, and we want them to enjoy the First Heaven-- that is the Heaven on earth-- as well.' "

"If there were no hope for all the non-Christians in the world and all the Christians who die in sin, God would stop creating men.  We must do our part here on earth to save sinners, but if they refuse we need not be without hope for them.

The Sadhu's "universalism" recalls the famous "Shewing" to Mother Juliana of Norwich, "All manner of things shall be well," and her comments thereon except that her respect for the authority of the Church precludes her making any suggestion _how_ this may be possible.  The Sadhu faithfully obeys the injunction, "Don't tell." In his popular teachings, as we shall see in the next chapter, he stresses the need of repentance, and the certainty of immediate judgment in the next life, but he never speaks of his hope of _ultimate_ salvation even for the unrepentant.

DavidFord

Another NDE

I Saw Hell & Jesus Told Me Why Only 2.5% Make Heaven - God's Voice Today
https://youtu.be/A_eoadbIHBI
Karl Falken's website
https://houseofyefeth.com/
31:26+ rough transcript:

But then he [Jesus] put me at ease.
He told me he knew all the sins that the demons had listed, and he knew all about me, and he just loved me
unconditionally.
And that was exactly what I needed to hear right then and there.
I knew I was lost.
But he _loved_ me-- even in my lost state.
That was very profound.
And then he went on to say that he was disappointed in me, because I had not lived the life that the Father had intended for me.
And I was kind of surprised at that because I had lived according to... church leadership, almost a letter-perfect Christian life.
And you know what, ... he said to me,
"You can go to heaven now, because you invoked me, and my word says,
'If anyone calls upon the name of the Lord, they will be saved.'
But, you will go to heaven as the lowest of all saints.
You will have no rank and no reward."
And not-- it took me-- he didn't explain why exactly then, but I figured it out later, that the problem was that my motives were wrong.
I had not done the things because I loved God or because I loved others or even because I loved myself, because I didn't at that time.
And so, with the wrong motives, it means nothing, and so all that was effort and money I donated, the time I donated, all the things I did-- I spent a lot of time doing evangelism and so forth-- it didn't mean anything to him because it didn't/ wasn't coming from the right motive.
I was just trying to get out of hell and maybe get a little reward.

So this is what I would call pragma.
In Greek, the word pragma is where we get pragmatism from, and what he was looking for was love/ agape, and he would settle for philos...
But this was neither agape nor philos, this was just pragma.
And that's not assurance...

Well, so I could go to heaven at that point.
But he said,
"If you go to heaven now-- if you die now-- your children are not going to make it:  they're going to go to hell, because they're not going to get raised right."
So he gave me the option of coming back to this life, but he warned me, ... if I came back to this life and I did not get it right with God, I could still go to hell, and I was just actually terrified of going to hell.
That was not something I wanted to do.
But I loved my children, I really did, and the thought of them going to hell was unacceptable too, and I also knew that that's what he wanted.
So I agreed to come back.

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Karl Falken, _The Ultimate Question: A Revelation by a Servant of the King_ (2023, large print edition), 193pp., on 69-70 in Chapter 9, Face-to-Face with Christ
https://houseofyefeth.com/product/the-ultimate-question/
...Christ... showed me that through obedience to God, anything is possible within God's will.
One point I will always remember with surprise and shame was that the Church could have won the entire world for Christ in any generation, from the time of the apostles to our present age.
Only laziness, selfishness, timidity, and unbelief (and mainly the latter) have held back the Church.

marie glen

It certainly can affect one?s attitude toward their fellow person.. also toward their Father God in heaven!
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marie glen

The Lord?s voice can be filtered through the individual psyche. Whereas life as we presently know it is surely THE crucible and sieve that separates the chaff from off of the wheat, this slow gehenna and entropy. A slow fade/gehenna that can flare up into fiery judgments/consequences. I?m firmly convinced that God?s wrath is cause and effect (yes even the concurrent(?) bowls of the revelation vision) ..Obadiah 1:15, your works shall return upon your own head.
   
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