Gal 1:8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
I have been reading the book "A Divine Revelation of Hell" by Mary K Baxter, and I am astonished.
Not astonished by what she is writhing, but astonished by the fact that millions of believers takes her message as being a divine revelation.
After reading her book I have to ask one simple question. Is this the gospel Paul preached, or is this another gospel?
Let me just quote a few of her statements, and let's have a look at what she is saying.
This is one of the things "Jesus" told her: My child, I will take you into hell by My Spirit, and I will show you many things which I want the world to know.
What this Jesus of her is saying, is that the gospel God reviled to Paul, and the gospel he preached is no longer sufficient. The gospel of God's grace and of God's divine purpose is outdated.
Now "Jesus" has given his prophet Mary Baxter a divine commission. And her commission is to tell the world that unfortunately God forgot to reveal the truth about a burning hell when He revealed the gospel to Paul.
And the thing about Paul saying that he had been preaching "all the counsel of God" also needs to be changed. Because from now on we know that Mary K Baxter is the only one preaching all the counsel of God.
Jesus also told her; I want you to write a book and tell of the visions and of all the things I reveal to you. You and I will walk through hell together.
Now, this is something else. Paul never went to hell. The only thing he could boast of was a trip to the third heaven. But he never gave us any description of what the third heaven was all about. So let's admit it, that's boring stuff.
But Hallelujah! Here comes Miss Baxter along, and what does she give us? She gives us a fascinated "Grand Tour" through all the departments of hell. And with a language full of colorful descriptions and piquant details she gives us a wonderful and vivid description of what hell is all about. Now, that's something else, isn't it?
Jesus told her: I am going to reveal unto you the reality of hell, that many may be saved, many will repent of their evil ways before it is too late.
Miss Baxter received her revelation in 1976, but only seven years later she finished her book. Now if this message was so important, and that soon it would be too late, how could she wait seven years before she told the world about her divine revelation?
Just imagine who many sinners going to hell, just because she waited for seven years!!
The blood of all this lost souls, are on your hands Miss Baxter!
And by the way, are there any records on how many conversions this book has led to.
After all, almost 30 years has passed since her book was published. And if we are going to believe the words "Jesus" told Miss Baxter, there should be a considerable numbers of conversions after all this years.
Until this day I have not heard ONE person saying that the reading of her book lead him or her to repentance and salvation.
The only thing I have heard, are a few hardcore defenders of a burning hell, telling us how important the message of this book is.
What can we say?
Joh.5:43; I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive
A while back I used to read that stuff too. I don't waste my time anymore lol. (Not that I have much time to waste these days anyhow lol.) But actually I didn't bother reading her book because I could tell by the look of her that she was not a true prophet of God.
And yes, she is FOR SURE preaching "another gospel". It's kind of ironic isn't it... her "divine revelation of hell" is such good news (gospel). :laugh2:
As I am very new to the wonderful gospel of UR, many things are new to me
There is no more than 3 months since I heard the gospel of UR for the first time.
During more than 30 years, I was a traditional evangelical pastor / preacher. I was never a radical preacher of hell. But it was allways like a dark spot in my subconscious all the time.
After that my eyes were opened to the true gospel, I become more and more amazed that I once believed in those terrible doctrine I used to
There are two Gospels.
Gospel of inclusion.
Gospel of illusion.
Quote from: wasco55 on June 16, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
As I am very new to the wonderful gospel of UR, many things are new to me
There is no more than 3 months since I heard the gospel of UR for the first time.
During more than 30 years, I was a traditional evangelical pastor / preacher. I was never a radical preacher of hell. But it was allways like a dark spot in my subconscious all the time.
After that my eyes were opened to the true gospel, I become more and more amazed that I once believed in those terrible doctrine I used to
Not just in religion but in all aspects of life the first and often the biggest step (by far) is considering other options.
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 16, 2012, 07:45:12 PM
Quote from: wasco55 on June 16, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
As I am very new to the wonderful gospel of UR, many things are new to me
There is no more than 3 months since I heard the gospel of UR for the first time.
During more than 30 years, I was a traditional evangelical pastor / preacher. I was never a radical preacher of hell. But it was allways like a dark spot in my subconscious all the time.
After that my eyes were opened to the true gospel, I become more and more amazed that I once believed in those terrible doctrine I used to
Not just in religion but in all aspects of life the first and often the biggest step (by far) is considering other options.
That is so true. :cloud9:
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 16, 2012, 07:42:36 PM
There are two Gospels.
Gospel of inclusion.
Gospel of illusion.
(http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2230/2230586hhns8zondk.jpg) (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Things are not always as they appear; it's a matter of perception.
"The eyes can only see what the mind has, is, or will be prepared to comprehend."
Quote from: wasco55 on June 16, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
As I am very new to the wonderful gospel of UR, many things are new to me
There is no more than 3 months since I heard the gospel of UR for the first time.
During more than 30 years, I was a traditional evangelical pastor / preacher. I was never a radical preacher of hell. But it was allways like a dark spot in my subconscious all the time.
After that my eyes were opened to the true gospel, I become more and more amazed that I once believed in those terrible doctrine I used to
A perfect example of the Spirit of God at work in the renewing of the mind
I think I read that book some years ago, if it was the one containing an account of "the heart of hell." :eek: :HeartThrob: :eek: I didn't really believe it then, but I found it hard to put down, and strangely compelling. With the perspective of years, I only see it as another fictional prop for Hell, the only kind of prop Hell has. :laugh:
Quote from: Lazarus Short on September 22, 2012, 03:05:48 AM
I think I read that book some years ago, if it was the one containing an account of "the heart of hell." :eek: :HeartThrob: :eek: I didn't really believe it then, but I found it hard to put down, and strangely compelling. With the perspective of years, I only see it as another fictional prop for Hell, the only kind of prop Hell has. :laugh:
:gimmefive:
I've been seeing some UR believers who believe there's actually a literal fiery "hell", but it's just not permanent. I don't believe there is such a place. The very word itself is a mistranslation that (I believe) erroneously entered the translations centuries after Jesus' victory. There likely is a place, or a state of being etc. that is miserable until one repents and confesses, but as I've said before, I don't believe a God Who is Spirit, needs a literal burning fire to accomplish His business. I believe He can handle it on a spiritual level. :2c:
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 03:11:50 AM
I've been seeing some UR believers who believe there's actually a literal fiery "hell", but it's just not permanent. I don't believe there is such a place. The very word itself is a mistranslation that (I believe) erroneously entered the translations centuries after Jesus' victory. There likely is a place, or a state of being etc. that is miserable until one repents and confesses, but as I've said before, I don't believe a God Who is Spirit, needs a literal burning fire to accomplish His business. I believe He can handle it on a spiritual level. :2c:
I think there are some who see Hell as a place for burning away our dross (wood, hay, and stubble), and I see that as the Lake of Fire. There is a lot said in the Bible about dross, refining fire, and suchlike. The whole trouble with Hell is that the concept of the refining fire has departed from the Bible, and been inflated with a lot of hot air. The fruits of such theology has included cruelty, persecution, and intolerance. By these fruits (at least) I know it is false.
Kinda crude in my mind, literal fire for an age or whatever lol.
www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com (http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com)
:) John.
Yeah Laz, I'm not saying at all that everything's pleasant, "no worries". But I guess I see it a little more that the "torment" is a place of spiritual testing, convicting, teaching, and ultimately bringing to repentance and to kneeling and confessing Jesus as Lord. I like the way J. Preston Eby puts it;
"Make no mistake! OUR GOD is a consuming fire! He is man's "horse breaker" and He will break you, precious friend of mine, and bring you to the foot of the cross of Jesus no matter how hot He has to build the fire around you! Even if long ages of fiery judgment and tormenting darkness fall upon you, they will last no longer than till the Great Fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self has died in the bloody sweat and all-saving cross of the Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God."
Amen, blessings.
Quote from: eaglesway on September 22, 2012, 03:33:44 AM
Kinda crude in my mind, literal fire for an age or whatever lol.
www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com (http://www.hell-is-a-myth.webs.com)
:thumbsup:
I tell you a sacred secreat....due to Jesus any broken off branches are snatched out of the fire[the Lord rebuke thee satan..is this not a bracnch snatched
from the fire[and the man-child was snatched up to the throne of God.
a branch shall be put forth of Jesse[sure mercies of David....the King/High Preist]
we may expierence fiery trials down here...with satan the accusor of the brether and sins law. But Jesus is faithful to the will of the Father
that all men[man/child] be saved
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 03:35:00 AM
:) John.
Yeah Laz, I'm not saying at all that everything's pleasant, "no worries". But I guess I see it a little more that the "torment" is a place of spiritual testing, convicting, teaching, and ultimately bringing to repentance and to kneeling and confessing Jesus as Lord. I like the way J. Preston Eby puts it;
"Make no mistake! OUR GOD is a consuming fire! He is man's "horse breaker" and He will break you, precious friend of mine, and bring you to the foot of the cross of Jesus no matter how hot He has to build the fire around you! Even if long ages of fiery judgment and tormenting darkness fall upon you, they will last no longer than till the Great Fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self has died in the bloody sweat and all-saving cross of the Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God."
Amen, blessings.
I see this consumming fire melting all arrogance into humility in those who are called now while we are in the flesh. I think that is why we won't be hurt of the second death because we have already experienced it now.
CHB
you know his comment about the Lord being man's horsebreaker[egypts horses are flesh] and the iron rod used on thenations/ clay vessel by the shepherd
Quote from: CHB on September 22, 2012, 03:59:19 AM
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 03:35:00 AM
:) John.
Yeah Laz, I'm not saying at all that everything's pleasant, "no worries". But I guess I see it a little more that the "torment" is a place of spiritual testing, convicting, teaching, and ultimately bringing to repentance and to kneeling and confessing Jesus as Lord. I like the way J. Preston Eby puts it;
"Make no mistake! OUR GOD is a consuming fire! He is man's "horse breaker" and He will break you, precious friend of mine, and bring you to the foot of the cross of Jesus no matter how hot He has to build the fire around you! Even if long ages of fiery judgment and tormenting darkness fall upon you, they will last no longer than till the Great Fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self has died in the bloody sweat and all-saving cross of the Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God."
Amen, blessings.
I see this consumming fire melting all arrogance into humility in those who are called now while we are in the flesh. I think that is why we won't be hurt of the second death because we have already experienced it now.
CHB
Amen to that. The blood also covers and cleanses all that would catch flame, if we are confessing our faults unto Him- we have a new and living way through the veil.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
(1Jn 1:9)
Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
(Heb 10:19-22)
This cleansing will eventually wash every created being.
For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
(Col 1:19-20)
It will be accomplished at the point wen each knee bows and each tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father- whether, in this age or the next, whether at the Great White Throne or beyond the lake of fire. IMO these things are purposely obscure so that kno man can boast......
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
(Rom 11:33-36)
We are in the fire, in God, and God is in us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and our faith in Him, and our submission to His Lordship. For us the fire purges, "Be not amazed at the trials that you are going through, for the purifying of your faith is more precious than gold tried in the fire...." It makes us shine and brings in us the divine nature. IMO the lake of fire is an experience of being held in intense light(the light of God's presence) and the light is fire to darkness, and consumes it until all is light (because it produces repentance). I believe it will be an extremely difficult experience for those who go through it.
Luke 6;37 do not judge and you will not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.
Give and it will be given to you.[mercy]
Did anyone ever think that if we condemned those who weren't regenerated down here in this life to 'age enduring' punishment...that we just might
find ourself in a not so great position... and like miss out on something ourself...an 'age' maybe..and find the door closed on the wedding supper[ten virgins]
we judge angels? messengers..if they be of God or of satan[do not beleive every inspired expression[3 frogs/unclean spirits...word of God twisted/false prophet
=liar beast=no underst5anding......why do we NOT beleive He takes away the sin of the world? He WILL DE#MAND ALL OF THE FRUIT....
and this is ALL of the FRUIT..when He takes away ALL THEIR SIN. FAITH IS THE ASSURED EXPECTATION OF WHAT IS NOT SEEN.
Is the accusor of the brethern thrown down from your heavenly places yet?
entreat encourage admonish one another in love.......because of the increasing of lawlessness the Love of the greater number will wax cold
to those to whom MUCH is given...MUCH IS EXPECTED
Now the Prince of this world has been judged...that his WORKS are wicked...and if any man build with wood hay stubble they shall be burnt up..
and the man..though he suffer loss shall be saved as through fire[the burning upof his 'wicked works' sin condemned in flesh of all men]
arrogance of man..to think the free gift is somehow earned
Oh sheila, amen! :HeartThrob:
I don't know that we can (or that anyone has in this thread) condemn anyone. I think it's more of an attempt to understand what the scriptures teach. Scripture teaches what it is to be a believer, how that occurs, but again IMO, that doesn't mean I have a right to say "well this one is, or that one isn't". But to try to understand and then share what the scriptures teach seems to me to actually be our responsibility.
I've seen the "when this earthly flesh drops off all's OK" understanding. I.e., when one dies in this life there's instant "redemption". I've considered that possibility, and I personally just can't find it that way. I believe "the flesh" in scripture often means "the carnal nature" or "sinfulness/sinful behavior", not just our skin and blood vessels, etc. I personally don't think it's a reach at all to show the scriptures teach a time of next age testing for those who have not yet believed, leading to their kneeling and confessing Jesus as Lord. (The following is just conjecture on my part, and may or may not be right). But for some, for instance those who've never heard but yet not a "hardened apostate", their belief may come instantly when exposed to the Light - for others, it may take longer. But I don't know what "longer" is. I don't know if it's at most a day, or up to a year as the early Jews believed, or longer. I don't know. Also, I don't believe it's for any individual to specifically point out and say "who's getting what". God knows.
Blessings :).
I believe God knows who needs corrective discipline and who doesn't, and He will carry that out in His own way and in His own timing - and at whatever time He sets.
It seems to me the differences are, a) some don't believe there's any after-life correction, it's ALL done here. While others b) believe there is after-life correction for unbelievers, and only done here for some, those called and chosen, who are GIVEN faith to believe in this lifetime. Yet all will be given faith to believe, in their own order. I'm sure there are other beliefs I'm missing here. I lean to 'b'.
Blessings :).
I personally don t believe in age during(aionian) kolassis. I believe aionian is a poor translation of the Hebrew word "olam", which is an indefinite period defined by the subject it is connected to- as Jesus said, "few stripes.....many stripes" etc.
No one but God can condemn or justify anyone ever, at any time. We simply strive to "bear witness" to the truth as we see it. The way that we see it has nothing to with whatever "is". Reality simply is what it is. Whether their will be judgment/discipline/kolassis/correction to come, it will be what it is when it is, or isn't- accordingly as the Father has determined the administration of the ages.
I personally believe the scriptures bear witness to correction on the other side of the veil, at or beyond the Great White Throne, but I have no axe to grind about it, because it will be what it will be when it will or won't as the Father has ordained. :)
John, reminds me of a discussion I was having with some fellows while I was still in orthodoxy/mainstream. We were talking about pre or post mil..one of the fellows said "I'm a pan-milliniumist - "it will all pan out in the end". :laughing7:
This may be shocking :eek: but I thought I'd go back and see how this thread actually started. LOL
I saw this quote from the topic-starter wasco, and just wanted to give it a big :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: wasco55 on June 16, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
As I am very new to the wonderful gospel of UR, many things are new to me
There is no more than 3 months since I heard the gospel of UR for the first time.
During more than 30 years, I was a traditional evangelical pastor / preacher. I was never a radical preacher of hell. But it was allways like a dark spot in my subconscious all the time.
After that my eyes were opened to the true gospel, I become more and more amazed that I once believed in those terrible doctrine I used to
when Jesus drags a star fallen to the earth[dragged by satans tail[tale] back up into the Heavens with Him. He and the angels are quite capable
of straigtening out any stinking thinking. He tells them the saint/churches were overtcome and many such doctrines of demons were taught by them...
He tells them[upward call] all the things their 'deaf' ears didn't hear through all the noisy confusion of Babylon down here..they are changed
in a twinkling of an ey He tells them all men were appointed to die once and then the judgement. He tells them everything that pertains to Him
as the saviour of all men. He gives them the free gift of eternal life..and they come to know God and the son..and they also know that they
have been prodigal sons of God..and are not worthy of the Father...God Himself finishes their training. they are given the best ROBE AT THAT TIME
rIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH CHRIST WHO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THEIR SINS IN ORDER TO DRAG THEM BACK UP INTO THE HEAVENS
SO THEY COULD RETURN UNTO THEIR FATHER. NO MAN TELLS THEM THIS THEY HEAR WHAT THEY HAD NOT HEARD....
fIERY LECTURES OF TRUTH BURN UP MISCONCEPTIONS[FILTHY RAGS] AND bEST ROBE OF TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN
THE PARABLE OF THE WICKED SERVANT WHO HAD ALL HIS DEBT CANCELLED..AND THEN BEGAN TO BEAT A FELLOW SERVANT TIL HE PAID FOR HIS
DEBT[BEAT ASSIGN STRIPES TO] WILL SHINE LIGHT ON THE MATTER..AS THE WORDS AND ADMONITION OF CHRIST WILL IN MY PREVIOUS POST.
ADD SOM EXTRA OIL IN YOUR VESSEL[ THESE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE] OBEY HIM.
LORD FORGIVE THEM THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO...
HE DISCIPLINES EVERY SON HE RECEIVES[DISCIPLINE/CORRECTION OF ANY MISSING THE MARK OF THE UPWARD CALL]
CAN YOU SAY 'FATHER DO NOT COUNT THIS SIN AGAINST THEM ON YOUR CROSS?' THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO?
THAT IS YOUR PATTERN TO FOLLOW........
P.S. DO NOT CONDEMN A SERVANT TO HIS MASTER...FATHER HAS GIVEN SOME VESSELS OVER FOR IGNOBLE PURPOSES HERE...
THEY SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE EVIL CONTRAST..GIVEN OVER TO SATAN FOR THE D3ESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH..
IN ORDER THAT THE SPIRIT BE SAVED ON THEDAY OF THE LORD...AND WHEN YOU THINK OF IT..HAVEN'T WE ALL
BORE THE CORRUPTIBLE IMAGE TOO[IGNOBLE]
LISTEN TO HIM!!!! THIS IS MY SON IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.
I YOU KNOW..THE LIGHT KEEPS GETTING BRIGHTER AND BRIGHTER....i TOOK A STEP UP WITH JEHOVAH'S WITTNESS FROM THE BAPTIST
BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT MORE LOVING THAT THE DEAD ARE DEAD AND NOT TORTURED...THEN IT'S JUST TORTURED FOR AWHILE
THEN IT'S NOT TORTURED BUT DISCIPLINED CORRECTED AND FREE GIFT GIVEN...THEN IT'S PRODIGAL RETURNING HOME FROM THE DEAD
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT OF EVERY 'WORD' OUT OF OUR MOUTH..LET IT BE JESUS AND FATHER'S.
GOD HAS CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH OF ALL MEN...AND HAS BROUGHT JUSTIFICATION THROUGH ONE ACT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS
THAT BRINGS LIFE FOR ALL MEN. FOR JUST AS THROUGH THE DISOBEDIANCE OF THE ONE MAN, THE MANY WERE MADE SINNERS
SO ALSO THROUGH THE OBEDIANCE OF THE ONE MAN, THE MANY WILL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS ROMANS 4;19
Quote from: eaglesway on September 22, 2012, 06:34:35 AM
I personally don t believe in age during(aionian) kolassis. I believe aionian is a poor translation of the Hebrew word "olam", which is an indefinite period defined by the subject it is connected to- as Jesus said, "few stripes.....many stripes" etc.
Isn't that teh defenition of both olam and eon?
Some olams last a few days, others a life time, others.....
Same for age.
P.S. NOISY BABYLON HAS NOT LOVE FOR HER HUSBAND OR CHILDREN AND IS AS A CLANGING CYMBOLS....
AND HOW CAN I KNOW WHAT OCCURRS IN HEAVEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE RESURRECTED, YOU MAY LEGITAMATELY ASK.....
BECAUSE OF THIS...THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN....BECAUSE OF THE WORK HE IS DOING IN ALL OF US...
THE REFINING..THE DECLARING..THE OPENING OUR EARS AND EYES...THE CALLING OF US FROM OUR DEAD CONDITION TO
HIS GRACE AND LOVE AND LIFE
Hope I didn't come across as judging anyone, that certainly was not my intention.
CHB
Quote from: CHB on September 22, 2012, 08:25:38 PM
Hope I didn't come across as judging anyone, that certainly was not my intention.
CHB
I didn't think so at all. :Peace2: :dsunny:
Quote from: CHB on September 22, 2012, 08:25:38 PM
Hope I didn't come across as judging anyone, that certainly was not my intention.
CHB
I'm sure you would give a fair ruling judge C. :Peace2:
oh CHB even if I thought you did..what would it matter.last time I checked He never appointed me to judge anyone .what matters is that some fall
[short of His Glory] for a refining and whitening...some of the wise will fall too[wise virgin class]
what is missing the 'mark" of the High calling UPWARD but to fall short of the fullness of Christ the revelation of Christ when He comes in the Power
and Glory of the Father[nothing impossible with God] with all His angels with Him[armies of heaven]
the light gets brighter and brighter in the refining process so that we do not see through a glass darkly anymore but can see Him face to face
as our veil is removed..so we may be like Him at His appearing
and what if some fall short...His mercy will open blind eyes[just as He has mine. I use to agree with the judgement that almost all men
would be condemned to eternal death[can two walk togather unless they are in agreement] His long-suffering to me in my blindness and
darkness...has made me know Him...and they will all know me when I take awayall there sin[missing the mark] of the truth,righteousness and Glory
that is in Christ Jesus Our Lord.
Jesus come not to condemn the world..but to save it.... ALL MEN WILL BE RAISED UP IN CHRIST...will receive the mind of Christ/Be ONE WITH HIM
AND THE FATHER IN LOVE THE PERFECT BOND OF UNION
First He cleans the inside of the cup/vessel....puts a spirit of love truth in us..He writes His law of love in our mind and heart and causes us to keep
them and walk in them
Luke 13;15 then should not this woman a daughter of Abraham whom satan has kept bound for eighteen[or 40 or 70 or 100] long years be set free
on the sabbath day from what bound her? this woman was bent over and could not straigthen UP...lift yourselves erect your deliverance draws nigh
keep watch...so you also must be ready..because the son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.
faithful and wise servant to feed food at proper time..not to begin to 'beat/stripes] if he should do that the Master of that servant will come on a day
and an hour he is not aware of. the parable of the ten virgins.....
Food at the proper time=timely admonitions to watch
Quote from: sheila on September 22, 2012, 09:44:31 PM
oh CHB even if I thought you did..what would it matter.last time I checked He never appointed me to judge anyone .what matters is that some fall
:thumbsup:
CHB's just showing that good heart. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
John, reminds me of a discussion I was having with some fellows while I was still in orthodoxy/mainstream. We were talking about pre or post mil..one of the fellows said "I'm a pan-milliniumist - "it will all pan out in the end". :laughing7:
Thats really funny James, and so true :laughing7:
When discussing these differences in doctrinal understanding there should be a rule of some sort, like,
"Ok now that we have debated this difference we have for an hour, let's spend and hour rejoicing that we are all washed in the blood and involved in salvation of all- celebrating the love we have to share in Christ with one another and with the entire world."
Quote from: eaglesway on September 23, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
John, reminds me of a discussion I was having with some fellows while I was still in orthodoxy/mainstream. We were talking about pre or post mil..one of the fellows said "I'm a pan-milliniumist - "it will all pan out in the end". :laughing7:
Thats really funny James, and so true :laughing7:
When discussing these differences in doctrinal understanding there should be a rule of some sort, like,
"Ok now that we have debated this difference we have for an hour, let's spend and hour rejoicing that we are all washed in the blood and involved in salvation of all- celebrating the love we have to share in Christ with one another and with the entire world."
:boydance: :boogie: :drummer:
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
John, reminds me of a discussion I was having with some fellows while I was still in orthodoxy/mainstream. We were talking about pre or post mil..one of the fellows said "I'm a pan-milliniumist - "it will all pan out in the end". :laughing7:
Knowing your background he must have meant a frying pan :winkgrin:
:friendstu:
...or is God panning for gold?
Quote from: jabcat on September 23, 2012, 08:45:51 PM
Quote from: eaglesway on September 23, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
John, reminds me of a discussion I was having with some fellows while I was still in orthodoxy/mainstream. We were talking about pre or post mil..one of the fellows said "I'm a pan-milliniumist - "it will all pan out in the end". :laughing7:
Thats really funny James, and so true :laughing7:
When discussing these differences in doctrinal understanding there should be a rule of some sort, like,
"Ok now that we have debated this difference we have for an hour, let's spend and hour rejoicing that we are all washed in the blood and involved in salvation of all- celebrating the love we have to share in Christ with one another and with the entire world."
:boydance: :boogie: :drummer:
Eaglesway: Unlike Jabcat, I don't play any musical instruments; never have been a cheerleader; but danced a great deal... and would love to join in celebrating the love we have in Christ with one another and with the entire world... for now, it may have to be only in spirit.. but please do know I appreciate being reminded of just who we are in Christ... I do believe the Gospel... as per Gal 3:8, 16 IN Christ ALL will be blessed. Blessings: reconciled by the blood of the cross, justified, saved, sanctified, etc.
The beauty of praising and thanking Him for all those blessings is that we will never have less hours to sing God's praise than when we'd first begun.
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.
'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!
Quote from: CHB on September 22, 2012, 03:59:19 AM
Quote from: jabcat on September 22, 2012, 03:35:00 AM
:) John.
Yeah Laz, I'm not saying at all that everything's pleasant, "no worries". But I guess I see it a little more that the "torment" is a place of spiritual testing, convicting, teaching, and ultimately bringing to repentance and to kneeling and confessing Jesus as Lord. I like the way J. Preston Eby puts it;
"Make no mistake! OUR GOD is a consuming fire! He is man's "horse breaker" and He will break you, precious friend of mine, and bring you to the foot of the cross of Jesus no matter how hot He has to build the fire around you! Even if long ages of fiery judgment and tormenting darkness fall upon you, they will last no longer than till the Great Fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self has died in the bloody sweat and all-saving cross of the Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God."
Amen, blessings.
I see this consumming fire melting all arrogance into humility in those who are called now while we are in the flesh. I think that is why we won't be hurt of the second death because we have already experienced it now.
CHB
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because of His Great Love we are not consumed......they marched across the breadth of the earth
and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city He loves..and fire come down from heaven
and devoured them......
AND THE DEVIL WHO DECEIVED THEM WAS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF BURNING SULPHER
WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET HAD BEEN THROWN=======
THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER.....
be careful that you don't dole out judgement meant for evil spirits to the redeemed of the Lord..
even the camp of the Holy city He loves.........it has always been satan's agenda to have God sentence
His children to burn'it never entered His heart" believe it was Baal who preferred this torture.
God's judgement is a legal court decision...His son will take all their sin away...He will cast out d3emons
into the LOF when He seperates the people from their sin...... O'Yes He will appear again....
'APART" from sin[no longer bearing the torture stake/sin..or the putting to death of His flesh]..He will seperate
the people one from the other[old man of sin from new man]..depart to lof PREPARED FOR DEVIL...
COME YOU WHO HAVE BEEN BLESSED..INHERIT THE KINGDOM PREPARED FOR YOU
ONE RIGHTEOUS MAN SAVED THE WHOLE CITY.....BEHOLD! THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY
THE SIN OF THE WORLD......
HE WILL BAPTIZE YOU WITH HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE.....in the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh
that Holy spirit is like divided tongues..destruction to satan and demons/fire..Holy spirit to mankind[free gift]
the spirit is a two-edged sword..mercy and grace dealt to one/blessings...and curses Genesis 3;14 the other
Hebrews 4;12 for the word of god is living and active..sharper than any double edged sword
it PENETRATES EVEN TO DIVIDING SOUL AND SPIRIT JOINTS AND MARROW..IT JUDGES THE
THOUGHTS AND ATTITUDES OF THE HEART. NOTHING IN ALL CREATION IS HIDDEN FROM GOD'S SIGHT
EVERYTHING IS UNCOVERED AND LAID BARE BEFORE THE EYES OF HIM TO WHOM WE
MUST GIVE ACCOUNT
MATT 8;28 TWO DEMON-POSSESSED MEN COMING FROM THE TOMBS MARK 5..ONE GOES INTO
CUTTING OFF[2000/SWINE INTO LAKE] THE MAN TOLD TO GO HOME TO FAMILY AND DECLARE THE MERCY
SHOWN TO HIM. IN MARKS ACCOUNT IT IS ONE MAN..IN MATTHEWS IT IS TWO MEN...WHAT HAPPENED?
TO THE 'OTHER' MAN?...LEGION=WE ARE MANY....MATT 7;14 WIDE IS THE GATE AND BROAD IS THE ROAD
THAT LEADS TO DESTRUCTION AND 'MANY' ENTER IN THROUGH IT
Thousands of people bought into the testimony Joseph Smith had to sell as well. They all pretty much seem to fit into the category of, "God specially chose me to tell everyone about my thoroughly non-biblical spiritual journey/revelation".
This is why it's so important to know the word of God. When you're very familiar with the original, you'll quickly spot a counterfeit. People who buy into what that ko0k Baxter writes, most likely spend ten times more time reading books like that, than they do reading the Bible.
There is but ONE gospel. Except it........or not. Ain't no other flop, lest ya all are wanderin" with words and thoughts. ONE GOSPEL....Amen.