end Times

[Beloved Servant]

The author:

Acts 3 (King James Version)
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The author.

[Novus-Ordo-Seclorum7]

 :msealed:

BS, You don't have much give in you do you?

Do you always find that drive to be right and put the last word in???


Because what I posted was exact, As referred to the book "I" spoke of...

so I find it a little offensive that you redirected  :offtopic: the subject to the bible.
But yes the beginning question was, is there any Written Doctrine for UR.

And Like I said, That was the earliest one I found that is complete.

[Beloved Servant]

Just pointing out that the Word of God is not a man-made document — it is a God-given document.

[Novus-Ordo-Seclorum7]

So is the book "The Second Death and the Restitution of ALL things By Andrew Jukes" a book you know and was it written before Eby's SWS. and did you read the post that I answered the guy that asked an honest question about if there is "any" UR written works....????

Just don't back pedal and make excuses for your "rightness".

There is no need to be right about anything.  I feel that it must drive you wild if your wrong about anything.

[Nathan]

Hi Gang,
Being new here I have a question about end times if that's not a problem. What do Universalists believe about the end times? Are Universalists full or partial preterists? Can someone recommend a good source that explains what Universalists believe about the end times? I haven't found material on the Tentmaker site dealing with the end times but I could be overlooking it. Any help and insights would be greatly appreciated.

Peace,   Ben

Ahh yes, the end times! Many have been sucked into this trap!!  Let just review Peter and Paul! Yep, John paid the price too, but I have limited space!

One must pay attention to the historical context. For example 2nd Peter differs so much from 1st Peter that...  some scholars can't believe they were written by the same person. Why? because there was a historical and fundamental shift in Peter's understanding of the timing of Jesus' return.  In his first epistle he informs his readers that these are "the last times" (1 Peter 1:20) and that "the end of all things is at hand" (1 Peter 4:7). He spoke of "the fiery trial which is to try you" (1 Peter 4:12) and that "the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God" (verse 17). Now notice the drastic change in Peter's second epistle...

What happened was a change in prophetic understanding regarding the time when the Second Advent would actually come to pass. Peter then referred to "the last days" as being in the future and that there would be people complaining that Christ has delayed His coming. "Where is the promise of His coming," they will be saying (2 Peter 3:4).

Peter even had to explain why the expected Second Advent in the 1st century did not materialize.
"Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his coming."  2 Peter 3:8–9

Same author but now with different and/or mature understanding! We see the same with Paul...

Paul expected that all the prophecies of the Old Testament would be fulfilled upon that generation — "upon whom the ends of the age are come" (1 Corinthians 10:11).

The apostle Paul in all his epistles written before 63 C.E. spoke about the imminence of all end-time prophetic events and that many of his readers would be alive to observe the second advent (1 Corinthians 15:51–52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15–17). Paul's early beliefs were solidly anchored in the conviction that "the time is short ... the fashion of this world passes away" (1 Corinthians 7:29, 31). He even discouraged people from getting married. 1 Corinthians 7:2–32

"Now is it high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we first believed, the night is far spent, and the day is at hand." Romans 13:11–12

Now notice the change... In First Timothy he even began to encourage widows to get married and bear children (1 Timothy 5:14). This is quite the reverse of what he recommended in 1 Corinthians 7:25–35 when he expected the soon appearing of the prophesied events to precede the Second Advent.

He also instructed Timothy in a non-crisis way about the manner of selecting elders and deacons for future periods (1 Timothy 3:1). He commanded him to ordain no one suddenly (1 Timothy 5:22) but to take time to test any person wishing to be an elder (1 Timothy 3:10).  All of these instructions clearly show that there was no longer any urgency!

Paul continued this theme in his second letter to Timothy (about 66/67 C.E.).  "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come" (2 Timothy 3:1) and in the future evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse (2 Timothy 3:13). "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine" (2 Timothy 4:3). Paul was also assured that he would not be alive at the Second Advent. "Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous, will give me at that day" (2 Timothy 4:8).

Much the same is found in Paul's letter to Titus (written near 63 C.E.). He instructed Titus to ordain elders in the cities of Crete so that the congregation might continue to grow and receive the true doctrines of Christ (Titus 1:5–9). There was no appeal to Titus, or the people of Crete, to prepare for the immediate end as was evident in most of the epistles of Paul up to 63 C.E.

Mark 13:32 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Yes indeed,  many have assumed to know that day or hour! Yet, our scriptures have shown us it will not be known... Even by the Son or his disciples!

Paul

I'm not sure I can see the same things you're claiming because it feels like things are being taken out of context.  Paul wasn't married by choice.  When it came to doing what he did, it was better for him to remain a single man because he was already married to his ministry.  But there was no suggestion that they shouldn't marry due to what was yet to come.

The passages you use to state your case do point to the fact the end was near.  I really don't see where there was a change of message that would indicate the more mature he got in the Lord, the less he felt the end was coming.  Because truly, the end did come.  It came violently and it came thoroughly.  When the Romans slaughtered them in A.D. 70, they uprooted the entire religous system in their wake.  And it's never returned back to it's original order again.  So it "was" the end times.  It was the end of a religious era as well as an end of a nations identity.

[Beloved Servant]

So is the book "The Second Death and the Restitution of ALL things By Andrew Jukes" a book you know and was it written before Eby's SWS. and did you read the post that I answered the guy that asked an honest question about if there is "any" UR written works....????

Just don't back pedal and make excuses for your "rightness".

There is no need to be right about anything.  I feel that it must drive you wild if your wrong about anything.

Verily verily I say to you:
Though direct, it's a message of love.
For I am my brothers keeper.