Why Hitler Will Be Saved

[Tony N]

Christ ransomed Hitler and therefore God will have Hitler to be saved (see 1 Tim.2:4-6).

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for [Hitler] for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for [Hitler] for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, [Hitler was] made a sinner, thus also, through the obedience of the One, [Hitler] shall be made just."

1Co 15:22 For even as, in Adam, [Hitler] [was] dying, thus also, in Christ, shall [Hitler] be vivified."

That God may be All in [Hitler] (1 Cor.15:28).

Col 1:20 and through Him to reconcile [Hitler] to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens."

Philippians 2:8-11 CLV and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." (9) Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, (10) that in the name of Jesus every knee [of Hitler] should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, (11) and [Hitler's] tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."

1Jo 2:2 And He is the propitiatory shelter concerned with our sins, yet not concerned with ours only, but concerned with [Hitler] also."

Of course Hitler may be adversatively judged before he enters into salvation. He may have to go into the unconscious second death afterword. But he will eventually be entering into salvation.

[Universalist Catholic]

Well, Hitler may take a while to be redeemed.  I think that the amount of time in judgment is based on how much relearning needs to be done.  For example, Satan has had ages full of stubborness and sin, and will most likely be having to spend the most time in Judgment.

[peacemaker]

Hell Satan or Heil Hitler, is there really a difference?

[WhiteWings]

Well, Hitler may take a while to be redeemed.  I think that the amount of time in judgment is based on how much relearning needs to be done.  For example, Satan has had ages full of stubborness and sin, and will most likely be having to spend the most time in Judgment.

And what about Saul/Paul? He was converted in a few minutes.

[CHB]

You know the funny thing is, those who believe that there are people in hell burning now, are giving Satan a lesser sentence than someone who told a lie. Acording to them Satan is still deceiving the world so he isn't in hell now but millions of others have been burning for thousands of years. What kind of justice is that?  :mshock:

CHB

[Tony N]

Heill Satan or Heil Hitler, is there really a difference?

Well, truth be known, Satan is an instrument of God and Hitler was an instrument of God. "God carries the vessels of indignation with patience" (Romans 9). He creates them, carries them to their specified place of employment and uses them for that which He made them.

But the point of this thread is that Hitler will be saved, justified, made righteous, reconciled. No doubt about it.

[peacemaker]

So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.  :thumbsup:

[Tony N]

Very good peacemaker.  :thumbsup:

[eaglesway]

 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.
(Eph 1:10-12)

for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God, Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
(1Ti 2:3-4)

For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
(Rom 11:32-36)

If we presume to judge His purposes and impose our sense of justice over and above His complete mercy, isn't that a little like the clay demanding that the potter become as misshapen as the unformed clay? Better to be formed and fired into the likeness of the One who died for ALL.

[Tony N]

Oh yea, that's what I'm talkin about eaglesway!

[eaglesway]

Rom 9:17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

What the scriptures say to Pharaoh of Egypt they also say to Nebudchanezzar of Babylon, Senacherib of Assyria and the emporers of Rome, all of whom may have been guilty of more blood than Hitler.

[Dallas]

Well, Hitler may take a while to be redeemed.  I think that the amount of time in judgment is based on how much relearning needs to be done.  For example, Satan has had ages full of stubborness and sin, and will most likely be having to spend the most time in Judgment.

1 Corinth 1:30 "But by His(God's) doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption"

Hitler HAS been redeemed, so have you and myself and everybody. By God's hand we WERE all brought into Him, and we WERE all redeemed and we WERE all reconcilled and we WERE all included.

Not pro Hitler, just pro scripture.

[Yab Yum]

Well, Hitler may take a while to be redeemed.  I think that the amount of time in judgment is based on how much relearning needs to be done.  For example, Satan has had ages full of stubborness and sin, and will most likely be having to spend the most time in Judgment.

1 Corinth 1:30 "But by His(God's) doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption"

Hitler HAS been redeemed, so have you and myself and everybody. By God's hand we WERE all brought into Him, and we WERE all redeemed and we WERE all reconcilled and we WERE all included.

Not pro Hitler, just pro scripture.

Does UR necessarily mean UR now?

[Dallas]

Does UR necessarily mean UR now?

Well, if you are included now then that same thing that included you has also included them.

If sin was paid for at the cross, all sin is forgiven, even those who aren't aware of that, or those who haven't chosen to believe that.

There is a benifit in believing, they are missing out on that, ut no one is missing out on what took place. All are included, now, then and forever.

Whatever took place that included you included them, well before you were born your inclusion was fulfilled, just as their's was.

[Yab Yum]

Does UR necessarily mean UR now?

Well, if you are included now then that same thing that included you has also included them.

If sin was paid for at the cross, all sin is forgiven, even those who aren't aware of that, or those who haven't chosen to believe that.

There is a benifit in believing, they are missing out on that, ut no one is missing out on what took place. All are included, now, then and forever.

Whatever took place that included you included them, well before you were born your inclusion was fulfilled, just as their's was.

So sanctification isn't a process, it's simultaneous with justification?

[Dallas]

So sanctification isn't a process, it's simultaneous with justification?

Absolutley;

1 Corinth 1:30 "But by His(God's) doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption"

Sanctification was from the law, to make oneself clean and upright in order to be presented to God to be found acceptable to recieve favor of God.

Because of what Jesus has done, I have been cleansed, made upright and am not only presentable to God but already completey acceptable to Him.

Not just me, but the whole world. The only difference is, because I believe what He accomplished in Jesus I can benifit from it, if you don't believe that He did that you won't benifit instead continuing on in your own ability to perform....in this case trying to become sanctified.

I tell you, you will never become sanctified...until you realize that you are because of what He already did.

[Yab Yum]

So Hitler went straight to Heaven without any judgment or repentance or lake of fire or any of that nasty business?

[Dallas]

So Hitler went straight to Heaven without any judgment or repentance or lake of fire or any of that nasty business?

That all depends on what you define Heaven, judgement, repentance, lake of fire as.

Nasty Business

This statement would lead me to believe that you believe those things you mentioned is a horrible event.

It would seem to me that you question should be...

"So Hitler doesn't get punished for being bad?!?!"

[Tony N]

Well, Hitler may take a while to be redeemed.  I think that the amount of time in judgment is based on how much relearning needs to be done.  For example, Satan has had ages full of stubborness and sin, and will most likely be having to spend the most time in Judgment.

1 Corinth 1:30 "But by His(God's) doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption"

Hitler HAS been redeemed, so have you and myself and everybody. By God's hand we WERE all brought into Him, and we WERE all redeemed and we WERE all reconcilled and we WERE all included.

Not pro Hitler, just pro scripture.

Israel was redeemed but not all went into the promised land.

Christ ransomed Hitler. But the Bible says "each in his own order" (1 Cor.15:22-28). And the Bible says "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially the believer" (1 Tim.4:10). We have a special salvation the rest do not have. If Hitler was not chosen to be enjoying life in the oncoming eons then he will be on the sidelines until the consummation of the eons.

[jabcat]

So Hitler went straight to Heaven without any judgment or repentance or lake of fire or any of that nasty business?

the Bible says "each in his own order" (1 Cor.15:22-28). And the Bible says "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially the believer" (1 Tim.4:10).

I agree, each in His own order.  I believe God is still calling and choosing, and there are works not of Him yet to be "burned" - many who travel the broad road to destruction to be saved as by fire.

Romans 10:9  "...because if you acknowledge with your mouth Yesu as the Master, and have faith in your heart that God has awakened Him from among the dead, you will be saved...14 how shall they have faith in One in whom they haven't heard?  13 ..."whoever appeals to the Master's name, will be saved... 16 But they didn't all obey the Good Message, for Isaiah says, "Master, who has put faith in the hearing the news, and hearing the news is by means of a declaration about the Anointed One." (The Christian Bible 1991)  

[eaglesway]

So Hitler went straight to Heaven without any judgment or repentance or lake of fire or any of that nasty business?

I believe there is judgment and punishment in the form of refining fire. It is measured by God and beyond our present knowing(seen through a glass darkly). It has already begun, as every offering is salted with fire. I believe there is a difference between the experience of fire among believers and the aionion fire that will bring the sons of disobedience and rebellious angels to their knees in the age to come. It may be the same fire(our God is a consuming fire, Christ's eyes are as flames of fire) but the experience of it will be different. I believe it is to be feared and as Jesus described it, a very difficult experience for those who must endure it- better to enter heaven maimed than to experience Gehenna fire. Although I have been ransomed by Christ, I still receive correction from the Father. If the righteous scarcely be saved, what shall the ungodly and the sinner do? Everyman's work will be tested by fire for "the day" will reveal it.
If we walk in the light as He IS in the light we have koinonea(oneness, fellowship, harmony) and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Everyone who loves his brother is in the light and knows God. Only God really knows who those are. For those who reject the Spirit of Christ there is judgment to come, and correction in appropriate measure(until every knee bow and until every tongue confess and until every adversary is made subject to His feet).
Anyway, thats how I sees it.    Peace, John

[jabcat]

Much in agreement John - my understanding on much of it as well.