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Joshua 10:12?

Started by Lupac, January 15, 2010, 08:16:31 PM

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Lupac

Okay, I've never read that part of the Bible before, and it was kind of shocking. What do you think about this verse? (And 13-14 too.) Here it is, KJV:

QuoteThen spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

I mean, what exactly is this? Did God really stop the earth?

peacemaker

"The Sun is silenced in the midst of a storm; covered in darkness it stands still."

peacemaker

Beloved Servant


It's interesting that there is a reference to the book of Jasher in the Bible, but the Bible, itself, does not include the book.

Cardinal

Quote from: Lupac on January 15, 2010, 08:16:31 PM
Okay, I've never read that part of the Bible before, and it was kind of shocking. What do you think about this verse? (And 13-14 too.) Here it is, KJV:

QuoteThen spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

I mean, what exactly is this? Did God really stop the earth?

:cloud9: Yes, I saw something years ago, where scientists couldn't quite come up with the right numbers on something and someone suggested they factor in that time period in the bible where that happened, and when they did, their calculations were then correct. Sorry I don't remember where this came from. Blessings...
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

WhiteWings

That one is debunked Cardinal.
The claim is/was that NASA was missing a day when they were doing some calculations.
When they factored in Joshua's long day and another smaller event they exactly found the missing day.

http://www.creationtips.com/long_day.html
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Cardinal

 :cloud9: That's what I said. So you're saying the NASA part of it wasn't true, or what? Blessings...
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

WhiteWings

NASA never claimed/found a missing day. So NASA never asked/received/used information from the Bible.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

coldwar

Quote from: Lupac on January 15, 2010, 08:16:31 PM
Okay, I've never read that part of the Bible before, and it was kind of shocking. What do you think about this verse? (And 13-14 too.) Here it is, KJV:

QuoteThen spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

I mean, what exactly is this? Did God really stop the earth?

I've had a "pet theory" about this for years. Here is what could have happened-

During the course of the battle, it was realized they would run out of daylight before the job was completed. Note that it was one of those times when both the sun and the moon were visible at the same time, which doesn't happen every day, but is fairly common in late afternoons, north of the equator, (and I presume south also). The further north (or south) you go, I would think the more frequent this would be- that both the sun and moon are visible in the sky.

OK, so- we know that the sun and moon appear to course across the sky because of the earth spinning on it's axis. Think of this a little bit differently that from any vantage point, such as where you happen to be standing at the moment, YOU are "spinning" toward the sun until 12 noon, and "spinning" away from the sun after 12 noon. And at those times when the moon is also visible, the same thing applies.

Now, what would happen if the earth kept on spinning at the same rate, but suddenly started to tilt on it's axis. If that tilt were happening at a precise rate "backward" toward the sun from the vantage point of YOU in the late afternoon, that would cause the sun and moon to appear to stand still. You have to picture the geometry here. Furthermore, if that tilt were to be like a full "back-flip", meaning it went from +11 degrees backward to a relative -11 degrees of tilt over a course of time that was about 12 hours, all the while with earth continuing to spin normally, then the daylight would have extended by that same 12 hours.

Think spinning and tilting at the same time, and also think of it having to be from a certain specific latitude, because the effect would vary at other latitudes- perhaps making the sun to appear to actually move backwards near the far north.

Science does acknowledge that the tilt of the earth has changed in the past, and there is great expectation that another great shift is going to take place in the near future. I would love to know if scientists can actually pin one of these tilt events to around that actual day when this happened.

That's my  :2c: worth.

Dave