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December 16, 2009, 10:26:02 PM

Jesus is Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:16 The saints are Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:29
Jesus is an Israelite The saints are the 12 tribes of Israel; Revelation 7:4
Jesus is a Jew The saints are "the circumcision"; Philippians 3:3
Jesus is a son of David The saints are the "tabernacle of David"; Acts 15:16
Jesus is chosen of God The saints are chosen; Ephesians 1:4
Jesus is anointed; Acts 10:38 The saints are anointed; 2 Corinthians 1:21
Jesus is a king; John 19:19 The saints are seated in heavenly places; Ephesians 2:6
Jesus is a priest; Hebrews 4:14 The saints are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9
Jesus is the firstborn; Colossians 1:15 The saints are firstborn; Hebrews 12:23
Jesus is a servant; John 13:14 The saints are servants; Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 2:16
Jesus is a Lamb; John 1:29 The saints are called lambs; John 21:15
Jesus is the stone that was rejected; Matthew 21:42    The saints are lively stones; 1 Peter 2:5
Jesus is the light of the world; John 8:12 The saints are called the light of the world; Matthew 5:14
Jesus is a star; Revelation 22:16 The saints are called stars; Revelation 12:4
Jesus covercame the world; John 16:33 The saints overcome the world; 1 John 5:4-5
Jesus is a temple; John 2:19-22 The saints are temples; 1 Corinthians 6:19
Jesus is in heaven The saints are citizens of heaven; Philippians 3:20
Jesus is the son of God The saints are sons of God; 1 John 3:1
Jesus is a bridegroom The saints are called virgins; Revelation 14:4
Jesus rides a white horse; Revelation 19:11 The saints ride white horses; Revelation 19:14

Doug

Beloved Servant

#1
December 16, 2009, 10:37:58 PM


John 14:
12 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is believing in Me, the works which I am doing he also will be doing, and greater than these will he be doing, for I am going to the Father.

Cardinal

#2
December 17, 2009, 05:13:09 AM
 :cloud9: Love it! Never saw anyone line those up in comparison like that before.  :thumbsup: Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Molly

#3
December 17, 2009, 06:15:54 AM
Very nice!  :thumbsup:




1His foundation is in the holy mountains.

2The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

3Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.

4I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.

5And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.

6The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.

7As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

--Psa 87

Doug

#4
December 17, 2009, 02:24:45 PM Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 03:27:02 PM by Doug
Quote from: Cardinal on December 17, 2009, 05:13:09 AM
:cloud9: Love it! Never saw anyone line those up in comparison like that before.  :thumbsup: Blessings....

I found a few more.  :bigGrin:


Jesus is Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:16 The saints are Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:29
Jesus is an Israelite The saints are the 12 tribes of Israel; Revelation 7:4
Jesus is a Jew The saints are "the circumcision"; Philippians 3:3
Jesus is a son of David The saints are the "tabernacle of David"; Acts 15:16
Jesus is chosen of God The saints are chosen; Ephesians 1:4
Jesus is anointed; Acts 10:38 The saints are anointed; 2 Corinthians 1:21
Jesus is holy; Revelation 3:7 The saints are sanctified; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:10
Jesus is a king; John 19:19 The saints are seated in heavenly places; Ephesians 2:6
Jesus is a priest; Hebrews 4:14 The saints are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9
Jesus is the firstborn; Colossians 1:15 The saints are firstborn; Hebrews 12:23
Jesus is the firstfruits of them that slept; 1 Corinthians 15:20   The saints are a kind of firstfruits; James 1:18
Jesus is a servant; John 13:14 The saints are servants; Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 2:16
Jesus is a Lamb; John 1:29 The saints are called lambs; John 21:15
Jesus is a sacrifice; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are living sacrifices; Romans 12:1
Jesus is the stone that was rejected; Matthew 21:42   The saints are lively stones; 1 Peter 2:5
Jesus suffered for us; 1 Peter 2:21    The saints are called to endure suffering; 2 Timothy 3:12; 1 Peter 2:20-21
Jesus is the light of the world; John 8:12 The saints are called the light of the world; Matthew 5:14
Jesus is the faithful witness; Revelation 1:5 The saints are witnesses; Acts 1:8
Jesus is a star; Revelation 22:16 The saints are called stars; Revelation 12:4
Jesus covercame the world; John 16:33 The saints overcome the world; 1 John 5:4-5
Jesus is a temple; John 2:19-22 The saints are temples; 1 Corinthians 6:19
Jesus is in heaven The saints are citizens of heaven; Philippians 3:20
Jesus is the son of God The saints are sons of God; 1 John 3:1
Jesus is a bridegroom The saints are called virgins; Revelation 14:4
Jesus rides a white horse; Revelation 19:11 The saints ride white horses; Revelation 19:14

Doug

Doug

#5
December 17, 2009, 09:42:48 PM Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 10:32:21 PM by Doug
Another update...


Jesus is Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:16 The saints are Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:29
Jesus is an Israelite The saints are the 12 tribes of Israel; Revelation 7:4
Jesus is a Jew The saints are "the circumcision"; Philippians 3:3
Jesus is a son of David The saints are the "tabernacle of David"; Acts 15:16
Jesus is chosen of God The saints are chosen; Ephesians 1:4
Jesus is anointed; Acts 10:38 The saints are anointed; 2 Corinthians 1:21
Jesus is holy; Revelation 3:7 The saints are sanctified; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:10
Jesus is a king; John 19:19 The saints are seated in heavenly places; Ephesians 2:6
Jesus is a priest; Hebrews 4:14 The saints are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9
Jesus is the firstborn; Colossians 1:15 The saints are firstborn; Hebrews 12:23
Jesus is the firstfruits of them that slept; 1 Corinthians 15:20   The saints are a kind of firstfruits; James 1:18
Jesus is a servant; John 13:14 The saints are servants; Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 2:16
Jesus is a Lamb; John 1:29 The saints are called lambs; John 21:15
Jesus offered himself without spot to God; Hebrews 9:14 The saints are exhorted to be found without spot; 2 Peter 3:14
Jesus is a sacrifice; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are living sacrifices; Romans 12:1
Jesus is the stone that was rejected; Matthew 21:42   The saints are lively stones; 1 Peter 2:5
Jesus suffered for us; 1 Peter 2:21   The saints are called to endure suffering; 2 Timothy 3:12; 1 Peter 2:20-21
Jesus was crucified The saints have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts; Galatians 5:24
Jesus was buried The saints have been buried with him by baptism into death; Romans 6:4
Jesus was raised from the grave The saints have been raised to walk in newness of life; Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12
Jesus is the light of the world; John 8:12 The saints are called the light of the world; Matthew 5:14
Jesus is the faithful witness; Revelation 1:5 The saints are witnesses; Acts 1:8
Jesus is a star; Revelation 22:16 The saints are called stars; Revelation 12:4
Jesus covercame the world; John 16:33 The saints overcome the world; 1 John 5:4-5
Jesus is a temple; John 2:19-22 The saints are temples; 1 Corinthians 6:19
Jesus is in heaven The saints are citizens of heaven; Philippians 3:20
Jesus is the son of God The saints are sons of God; 1 John 3:1
Jesus is a bridegroom The saints are called virgins; Revelation 14:4
Jesus rides a white horse; Revelation 19:11 The saints ride white horses; Revelation 19:14
Jesus said "follow me"; Matthew 16:24 The saints follow Jesus wherever he goes; Revelation 14:4

Doug

peacemaker

#6
December 18, 2009, 03:08:45 AM
A designation of an exceptional, holiness of life. Whereas, we likewise are to bear witness through the Spirit. Although many merely apply the term of Saint towards themselves in most religious groups; and live contrary.

However, excellent observation and comparison.

peacemaker

Doug

#7
December 18, 2009, 10:28:09 PM Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 11:52:34 PM by Doug
I have added a couple more.


Jesus is Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:16 The saints are Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:29
Jesus is an Israelite The saints are the 12 tribes of Israel; Revelation 7:4
Jesus is a Jew The saints are "the circumcision"; Philippians 3:3
Jesus is a son of David The saints are the "tabernacle of David"; Acts 15:16
Jesus is chosen of God The saints are chosen; Ephesians 1:4
Jesus is anointed; Acts 10:38 The saints are anointed; 2 Corinthians 1:21
Jesus is holy; Revelation 3:7 The saints are sanctified; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:10
Jesus is a king; John 19:19 The saints are seated in heavenly places; Ephesians 2:6
Jesus is a priest; Hebrews 4:14 The saints are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9
Jesus is the firstborn; Colossians 1:15 The saints are firstborn; Hebrews 12:23
Jesus is the firstfruits of them that slept; 1 Corinthians 15:20   The saints are a kind of firstfruits; James 1:18
Jesus is a servant; John 13:14 The saints are servants; Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 2:16
Jesus is a Lamb; John 1:29 The saints are called lambs; John 21:15; and sheep
Jesus offered himself without spot to God; Hebrews 9:14 The saints are exhorted to be found without spot; 2 Peter 3:14
Jesus is a sacrifice; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are living sacrifices; Romans 12:1
Jesus was a sweet aroma to God; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are a sweet aroma to God; 2 Corinthians 2:15
Jesus is the stone that was rejected; Matthew 21:42   The saints are lively stones; 1 Peter 2:5
Jesus suffered for us; 1 Peter 2:21   The saints are called to endure suffering; 2 Timothy 3:12; 1 Peter 2:20-21
Jesus was crucified The saints have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts; Galatians 5:24
Jesus was buried The saints have been buried with him by baptism into death; Romans 6:4
Jesus was raised from the grave The saints have been raised to walk in newness of life; Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12
Jesus is the light of the world; John 8:12 The saints are called the light of the world; Matthew 5:14
Jesus is the faithful witness; Revelation 1:5 The saints are witnesses; Acts 1:8
Jesus is a star; Revelation 22:16 The saints are called stars; Revelation 12:4
Jesus covercame the world; John 16:33 The saints overcome the world; 1 John 5:4-5
Jesus is a temple; John 2:19-22 The saints are temples; 1 Corinthians 6:19
Jesus is in heaven The saints are citizens of heaven; Philippians 3:20
Jesus is the son of God The saints are sons of God; 1 John 3:1
Jesus is a bridegroom The saints are called virgins; Revelation 14:4
Jesus rides a white horse; Revelation 19:11 The saints ride white horses; Revelation 19:14
Jesus said "follow me"; Matthew 16:24 The saints follow Jesus wherever he goes; Revelation 14:4
Jesus was obedient unto death; Philippians 2:8 The saints obey him; Hebrews 5:9
Jesus did many good works; John 10:32 The saints abound in good works; 2 Corinthians 9:7-9, Colossians 1:10

Doug

Cardinal

#8
December 19, 2009, 02:12:55 AM
 :cloud9: :thumbsup:
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Doug

#9
December 19, 2009, 06:07:15 PM Last Edit: December 19, 2009, 09:31:19 PM by Doug
A few more additions.


Jesus is Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:16 The saints are Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:29
Jesus is an Israelite The saints are the 12 tribes of Israel; Revelation 7:4
Jesus is a Jew The saints are "the circumcision"; Philippians 3:3
Jesus is a son of David The saints are the "tabernacle of David"; Acts 15:16
Jesus is chosen of God; Matthew 12:18 The saints are chosen; Ephesians 1:4
Jesus was sealed by God; John 6:27 The saints are sealed by the Spirit of God; Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 7:3
Jesus is anointed; Acts 10:38 The saints are anointed; 2 Corinthians 1:21
Jesus is holy; Revelation 3:7 The saints are sanctified; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:10
Jesus is a king; John 19:19 The saints are translated into his kingdom; Colossians 1:13
Jesus sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 1:3 The saints are seated together in heavenly places; Ephesians 2:6
Jesus reigns over all; Ephesians 1:21 The saints reign with Christ; Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:10, 20:6
Jesus will reign forever; Luke 1:33   The saints will reign forever; Revelation 22:5
Jesus sits in the throne of God; Acts 2:30 The saints sit in Jesus' throne; Revelation 3:21
Jesus is a priest; Hebrews 4:14 The saints are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9
Jesus is the firstborn; Colossians 1:15 The saints are firstborn; Hebrews 12:23
Jesus and his Father are one; John 10:30 The saints are all one in Christ; Galatians 3:28
Jesus is the firstfruits of them that slept; 1 Corinthians 15:20   The saints are a kind of firstfruits; James 1:18
Jesus is a servant; John 13:14 The saints are servants; Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 2:16
Jesus is a Lamb; John 1:29 The saints are called lambs; John 21:15; and sheep
Jesus offered himself without spot to God; Hebrews 9:14 The saints are exhorted to be found without spot; 2 Peter 3:14
Jesus is a sacrifice; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are living sacrifices; Romans 12:1
Jesus was without sin; Hebrews 4:15 The saints have their sins forgiven; Ephesians 1:7, Colossians 2:13, 1 John 2:12
Jesus was a sweet aroma to God; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are a sweet aroma to God; 2 Corinthians 2:15
Jesus is the stone that was rejected; Matthew 21:42   The saints are lively stones; 1 Peter 2:5
Jesus suffered for us; 1 Peter 2:21   The saints are called to endure suffering; 2 Timothy 3:12; 1 Peter 2:20-21
Jesus was crucified The saints have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts; Galatians 5:24
Jesus was buried The saints have been buried with him by baptism into death; Romans 6:4
Jesus was raised from the grave The saints have been raised to walk in newness of life; Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12
Jesus is the light of the world; John 8:12 The saints are called the light of the world; Matthew 5:14
Jesus is the faithful witness; Revelation 1:5 The saints are witnesses; Acts 1:8
Jesus is a star; Revelation 22:16 The saints are called stars; Revelation 12:4
Jesus covercame the world; John 16:33 The saints overcome the world; 1 John 5:4-5
Jesus is a temple; John 2:19-22 The saints are temples; 1 Corinthians 6:19
Jesus is in heaven The saints are citizens of heaven; Philippians 3:20
Jesus is the son of God The saints are sons of God; 1 John 3:1
Jesus is heir of all things; Hebrews 1:2 The saints will inherit all things; Revelation 21:7
Jesus is a bridegroom The saints are called virgins; Revelation 14:4
Jesus rides a white horse; Revelation 19:11 The saints ride white horses; Revelation 19:14
Jesus said "follow me"; Matthew 16:24 The saints follow Jesus wherever he goes; Revelation 14:4
Jesus was obedient unto death; Philippians 2:8 The saints obey him; Hebrews 5:9
Jesus did many good works; John 10:32 The saints abound in good works; 2 Corinthians 9:7-9, Colossians 1:10

Doug

Cardinal

#10
December 19, 2009, 11:31:07 PM
 :cloud9: Doug, this is really good. I've never seen a comparison of all these before. I'm going to save them on my computer. Thanks for your work on this. Blessings.....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Doug

#11
December 20, 2009, 12:04:00 AM Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 05:18:23 AM by Doug
Quote from: Cardinal on December 19, 2009, 11:31:07 PM
:cloud9: Doug, this is really good. I've never seen a comparison of all these before. I'm going to save them on my computer. Thanks for your work on this. Blessings.....


Thanks Cardinal, here is another update:


Jesus is Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:16 The saints are Abraham's seed; Galatians 3:29
Jesus is an Israelite The saints are the 12 tribes of Israel; Revelation 7:4
Jesus is a Jew; John 19:19 The saints are Jews inwardly; Romans 2:29
Jesus is a minister of the circumcision; Romans 15:8 The saints are the circumcision; Colossians 2:11, Philippians 3:3
Jesus came to fulfil the law; Matthew 5:17 The saints fulfil the law of Christ; Galatians 6:2
Jesus is a son of David The saints are the "tabernacle of David"; Acts 15:16
Jesus is chosen of God; Matthew 12:18 The saints are chosen; Ephesians 1:4
Jesus was sealed by God; John 6:27 The saints are sealed by the Spirit of God; Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 7:3
Jesus is anointed; Acts 10:38 The saints are anointed; 2 Corinthians 1:21
Jesus is holy; Revelation 3:7 The saints are sanctified; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:10
Jesus is a king; John 19:19 The saints are translated into his kingdom; Colossians 1:13
Jesus sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 1:3 The saints are seated together in heavenly places; Ephesians 2:6
Jesus reigns over all; Ephesians 1:21 The saints reign with Christ; Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:10, 20:6
Jesus will reign forever; Luke 1:33   The saints will reign forever; Revelation 22:5
Jesus sits in the throne of God; Acts 2:30 The saints sit in Jesus' throne; Revelation 3:21
Jesus will judge the world in righteousness; Acts 17:31 The saints will judge the world; 1 Corinthians 6:2
Jesus is a priest; Hebrews 4:14 The saints are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9
Jesus is the firstborn; Colossians 1:15 The saints are firstborn; Hebrews 12:23
Jesus and his Father are one; John 10:30 The saints are all one in Christ; Galatians 3:28
Jesus is the firstfruits of them that slept; 1 Corinthians 15:20   The saints are a kind of firstfruits; James 1:18
Jesus is a servant; John 13:14 The saints are servants; Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 2:16
Jesus is a Lamb; John 1:29 The saints are called lambs and sheep; John 21:15
Jesus offered himself without spot to God; Hebrews 9:14 The saints are exhorted to be found without spot; 2 Peter 3:14
Jesus is a sacrifice; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are living sacrifices; Romans 12:1
Jesus was without sin; Hebrews 4:15 The saints have their sins forgiven; Ephesians 1:7, Colossians 2:13, 1 John 2:12
Jesus was a sweet aroma to God; Ephesians 5:2 The saints are a sweet aroma to God; 2 Corinthians 2:15
Jesus is the bread of God; John 6:33 The saints are the bread and body of Christ; 1 Corinthians 10:16-17
Jesus is the stone that was rejected; Matthew 21:42   The saints are lively stones; 1 Peter 2:5
Jesus suffered for us; 1 Peter 2:21   The saints are called to endure suffering; 2 Timothy 3:12, 1 Peter 2:20-21
Jesus was crucified The saints have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts; Galatians 5:24
Jesus was buried The saints have been buried with him by baptism into death; Romans 6:4
Jesus was raised from the grave The saints have been raised to walk in newness of life; Romans 6:4, Colossians 2:12
Jesus is the light of the world; John 8:12 The saints are called the light of the world; Matthew 5:14
Jesus brought immortality to light by the gospel; 2 Timothy 1:10 The saints seek for glory and honour and immortality; Romans 2:7
Jesus is the spiritual Rock of which the Israelites drank; 1 Corinthians 10:4 The saints all drink of one Spirit; 1 Corinthians 12:13
Jesus is the faithful witness; Revelation 1:5 The saints are witnesses; Acts 1:8
Jesus is the mediator of the new testament; Hebrews 9:15 The saints are ministers of the new testament; 2 Corinthians 3:6
Jesus is a star; Revelation 22:16 The saints are called stars; Revelation 12:4
Jesus covercame the world; John 16:33 The saints overcome the world; 1 John 5:4-5
Jesus is a temple; John 2:19-22 The saints are temples; 1 Corinthians 6:19
Jesus is in heaven The saints are citizens of heaven; Philippians 3:20
Jesus is the son of God The saints are sons of God; 1 John 3:1
Jesus is heir of all things; Hebrews 1:2 The saints will inherit all things; Revelation 21:7
Jesus is a bridegroom The saints are called virgins; Revelation 14:4
Jesus wears a garment white as snow; Daniel 7:9 The saints are clothed in fine linen, white and clean; Revelation 19:14
Jesus rides a white horse; Revelation 19:11 The saints ride white horses; Revelation 19:14
Jesus has a sharp sword; Revelation 19:15 The saints have the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; Ephesians 6:17
Jesus said "follow me"; Matthew 16:24 The saints follow Jesus wherever he goes; Revelation 14:4
Jesus was obedient unto death; Philippians 2:8 The saints obey him; Hebrews 5:9
Jesus did many good works; John 10:32 The saints abound in good works; 2 Corinthians 9:7-9, Colossians 1:10

Doug

Zero7

#12
December 22, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on December 16, 2009, 10:37:58 PM


John 14:
12 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is believing in Me, the works which I am doing he also will be doing, and greater than these will he be doing, for I am going to the Father.

Did you ever wonder why this is not so?

There is no reason for us , esp. UR folk, not to be doing great wonders the way Stephen did. I just don't know why we aren't claiming this.

sparrow

#13
December 22, 2009, 08:28:22 PM
Quote from: Zero7 on December 22, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on December 16, 2009, 10:37:58 PM


John 14:
12 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is believing in Me, the works which I am doing he also will be doing, and greater than these will he be doing, for I am going to the Father.

Did you ever wonder why this is not so?

There is no reason for us , esp. UR folk, not to be doing great wonders the way Stephen did. I just don't know why we aren't claiming this.


I think that people think they are supposed to be doing all these signs and wonders, healing people, raising people from the dead,  etc. etc... when I don't believe that is what Jesus was talking about at all. The reason Jesus performed these miracles, (healing people! raising DEAD people!) was so that the people at the time would believe that he came from the Father. This was no ordinary person.

What I believe the greater works is referring to is the outpouring of His spirit after he ascended to the Father. Do miracles happen today? yes. But these "greater works" are not what people think, in my opinion. God's spirit is WITH us. His love is permeating our hearts... THIS is the "greater works". LOVE is the "greater works". LOVE is the most powerful thing in this universe, for God IS Love. His indwelling spirit... is the greater works. LOVE....is the greater works. Nothing is as transforming as Love.

So there is nothing stopping you... CLAIM IT!
Go and LOVE.


My  :2c:

peace.

Doug

#14
December 23, 2009, 02:54:02 AM
Quote from: Zero7 on December 22, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on December 16, 2009, 10:37:58 PM


John 14:
12 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is believing in Me, the works which I am doing he also will be doing, and greater than these will he be doing, for I am going to the Father.

Did you ever wonder why this is not so?

There is no reason for us , esp. UR folk, not to be doing great wonders the way Stephen did. I just don't know why we aren't claiming this.

ALMOST INCREDIBLE PROMISES

Doug

HartleyDamboiseII

#15
December 23, 2009, 03:04:51 AM
What? you cant raise the dead, heal the sick, clense the lepper, walk on water, etc..???   I have. And you can too, just learn the Spiritual.  and not the letter.

Cardinal

#16
December 23, 2009, 04:23:59 AM
Quote from: Zero7 on December 22, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on December 16, 2009, 10:37:58 PM


John 14:
12 Verily, verily, I am saying to you, he who is believing in Me, the works which I am doing he also will be doing, and greater than these will he be doing, for I am going to the Father.

Did you ever wonder why this is not so?

There is no reason for us , esp. UR folk, not to be doing great wonders the way Stephen did. I just don't know why we aren't claiming this.

:cloud9: Well, for one thing, you've got too many people telling them NOT to believe it, instead of TO believe it. I have tasted a measure of it, know others who have too, and fully intend to keep pressing in to the end until He can manifest fully, by the grace of God. My  :2c: Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Zero7

#17
December 23, 2009, 04:47:59 PM
QuoteWell, for one thing, you've got too many people telling them NOT to believe it, instead of TO believe it. I have tasted a measure of it, know others who have too, and fully intend to keep pressing in to the end until He can manifest fully, by the grace of God. My   Blessings....

Amen Cardinal. A million and one reasons we are told NOT to claim this. It's as plain as day to me.
I'm with you on pressing to the end. I believe the signs/wonders are needed first to waken a dead church, a church that believes our Father is capable of roasting souls in a blast furnace for all of eternity.
Once that army is awakened, then the first century miracles will pale in comparison.

natcat86

#18
December 23, 2009, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Lee Damboise on December 23, 2009, 03:04:51 AM
What? you cant raise the dead, heal the sick, clense the lepper, walk on water, etc..???   I have. And you can too, just learn the Spiritual.  and not the letter.

Lee do you mean you have done this physically or spiritually? I'm a bit dim sorry!

:girlheart:

Doug

#19
December 23, 2009, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: natcat86 on December 23, 2009, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Lee Damboise on December 23, 2009, 03:04:51 AM
What? you cant raise the dead, heal the sick, clense the lepper, walk on water, etc..???   I have. And you can too, just learn the Spiritual.  and not the letter.

Lee do you mean you have done this physically or spiritually? I'm a bit dim sorry!

:girlheart:


Evidently, when ultradispensationalists convince other Christians to adopt their views, they view it as "raising the dead," and "clensing the lepper," (spiritually) etc.

Ha ha!  :laughing7:

Similarly, when hyper-preterists convince a dispensationalist, which frequently happens as most hyper-preterists are former dispensationalists, they view it spiritually as being "resurrected."

Ezekiel 38:21
And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Doug

HartleyDamboiseII

#20
December 23, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
Hyper this and dis that.

carnally and Spiritually  both. YOU'D have to be there. So I wont explain because of all the unbelief on this board. And If I did say how,where and when, then the ism's people would try to talk the others out of believing it.

Lee. 

Molly

#21
December 23, 2009, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: natcat86 on December 23, 2009, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Lee Damboise on December 23, 2009, 03:04:51 AM
What? you cant raise the dead, heal the sick, clense the lepper, walk on water, etc..???   I have. And you can too, just learn the Spiritual.  and not the letter.

Lee do you mean you have done this physically or spiritually? I'm a bit dim sorry!

:girlheart:
People have and are doing these things physically.  But, let's face it, heaing the sick and raising the dead are routine business for doctors.  Why would you consider that so strange?

HartleyDamboiseII

#22
December 23, 2009, 07:10:13 PM
Doc. do nothing with out the will of God, and Only if God wills it.

All the things that JC has done I have done. And hope to some day soon go greater. Hope.  Belief in His Holy Name. Jesus the Anointed.

natcat86

#23
December 23, 2009, 07:44:20 PM
I consider them different Molly, Drs do it with medicine and medical equiptment, if someone is doing it purely through prayer and intercession thats something different all together. I have never witnessed a healing happen before my eyes so I wanted to know if Lee had seen physical healing happen because I am very intersted in it. I believe that people could be healed and raised from the dead by the spirit today as in the NT, but I think that most christians are too willing to stop praying after seeing the tiniest sign of improvement and call that the miracle.

Example, I have seen numerous people "healed", who actually had just stopped feeling pain, they still walked with a limp, their limb was not healed and the next time I saw them their pain was back too. This has happened a lot with various different people. The person leading the prayer always stops after the pain goes away, they never press on and claim the full healing! Its almost as though they dont believe the person will be fully healed.



Molly

#24
December 23, 2009, 07:53:44 PM Last Edit: December 23, 2009, 07:57:53 PM by Molly
Quote from: natcat86 on December 23, 2009, 07:44:20 PM
I consider them different Molly, Drs do it with medicine and medical equiptment, if someone is doing it purely through prayer and intercession thats something different all together. I have never witnessed a healing happen before my eyes so I wanted to know if Lee had seen physical healing happen because I am very intersted in it. I believe that people could be healed and raised from the dead by the spirit today as in the NT, but I think that most christians are too willing to stop praying after seeing the tiniest sign of improvement and call that the miracle.

Example, I have seen numerous people "healed", who actually had just stopped feeling pain, they still walked with a limp, their limb was not healed and the next time I saw them their pain was back too. This has happened a lot with various different people. The person leading the prayer always stops after the pain goes away, they never press on and claim the full healing! Its almost as though they dont believe the person will be fully healed.




Yes, there are lots of stories about people healing through faith alone.  Healing requires faith from both parties.  But, I wouldn't discount the doctors as 'medicine and medical equipment.'  Where do you think the medicine and medical equipment came from in the first place?  The government? lol.  It came from God, and any good doctor will tell you, 'It's not up to me'.  For the first time in human history there is a large group of people, adults and children, who have come back from the [clinically] dead.  And, they are telling their stories.  It's really quite amazing.  And, all of it is from God.
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