The Jar of christian universalism .

[V.I.D.]

Christian universalism in general is closed in a jar . The jar is different from Et ,but simular to it and can be harmful .
The main and harmful part of UR theology is the part of divine manipulation .Acourding to their theory every human is inserted in a plan .This plan is the plan for the system of the ultimate salvation .
God supposedly-pre planned how to save everybody from the beginning . Infact he planned all your life !
Your thoughts ,the things that you may desire are all acourding to a giant creature's plan . While it sounds nice to the reader to know that in the end he will be happy and in love there are many things that carry the same ideas as to keep the person supporting it .
The problem you ask ?
Well it is simply that you are now being turned in to plaster .
Some people would see the human soul and the human being as something precious and sacred . WRONG . Its just plaster . Acourding to this theory YOU are being manipulated all the time ! 24 hours a day 7 days a week . You are a slave in an system for salvation and God pleasing and everything that happans to you it is to make a God happy and pleased . This way you are nothing but a tool . An OBJECT for manipulation . Dont worry . You will be high . Being priest . But what is the true meaning behind the word *priest * ? Infact you will be SERVING the same God .Doesnt that sound to you as SLAVERY ?
Not only is it vulgar and EVIL to be MANIPULATED ,or INSLAVED ,but it is connected to the being they call *all loving *
It is not love to be a SLAVE . It is not love to MANIPULATE .
If you still have your brain functioning normaly and if you atleast LOVE the people deeply ,then you would probably know that making the soul ,or and person be a slave ,or be manipulated ,used ,made to be an object ,is an evil thing . It is also absurd to say that people 's souls are just plaster ,or clay ,because they are much more .

Why do they like it ? Why do they think the way they do ? Because they are deceived .
They are deceived ,because they are told that all of this is made because of love .You are killed in the name of love . Manipulated in the name of love . All on the name of love !
That is a very easy deception . By making something look good you approve the evils needed for the SYSTEM ,or PLAN to exist .This is religion . This is how it works .


The Hell doctrine in UR .
A said above all is in the name of love ! So it doesnt matter if in reality its a evil thing ,because its all for a good cause .
So torturing people and burning them is also a good thing .
The fact that CU has a hell is true . CU has the interesting ideas that there is a hell and that it is not permanent . Some call it spiritual "chastening ". Other believe that there is no hell . Other think that there is a hell and it is here on earth .
Let us get to the idea of the spiritual "chastening ".
In order for one to understand the meaning ,one must know the word and where it came from .
Chastening means -"To correct by punishment"
That sounds qite fair doesnt it ? It odes ,but the word it self is promitive . It caries the old idea that a human being can be manipulated in order to be made in order . That is an old philosphy that is wrong . Why ? Because punishment ALONE can not force enyone to do something in some manner .A person might do it only to not be hurt due to an instinkt of self defence . So it uses our natural and PRIMITIVE nature 's ways as a measure . This way it is not trully effective .
The only way that someone may be corrected is for him to correct himself .
We all suffer in life and when struck with the fruits from our actions ,then we understand the truth and we correct ourselves . It is a life long proces of learning . Learning is also done by love .This way of learning a person gets used to knowing the truth without the need to suffer from greater mistakes.
So they are using a primitive idea .
What is making them think this way ?
Easy : they want to find a way to make people be what they want them and that idea confirms to some people 's underatsnding of their DOCTRINE .Also the Bible plays a role with its scriptures of the lake of fire .


Religion is a man made system of errors .

[HartleyDamboiseII]

V.I.D. in my own heart, I know that your seeing Revelation as it is suppose to apply to the future of mankind, I see it as a book written for Israelite, in so saying,   Slave issue applies to the House of Israel and not to anyone saved by Grace, i.e. IN CHRIST.

and you seem to be referring to the people that serve God in Rev. and those are not us. or unless your a Jew, then you will be serving God and Me.

But all joking aside, you wont be serving me either because you will be there also IN  God.

I don't consider my self a follower of UR per-say , I am just a Conduit of the Father IN that plan you don't like.=  Grace :angry1:,  The Divine influence upon the Heart,"and it's Reflection in Life" strongs 5485 :this:

[willieH]

willieH: Hi V.I.D.  :cloud9:

How areya?  :friendstu:

Christian universalism in general is closed in a jar . The jar is different from Et ,but simular to it and can be harmful .
The main and harmful part of UR theology is the part of divine manipulation .Acourding to their theory every human is inserted in a plan .This plan is the plan for the system of the ultimate salvation .
God supposedly-pre planned how to save everybody from the beginning . Infact he planned all your life !
Your thoughts ,the things that you may desire are all acourding to a giant creature's plan . While it sounds nice to the reader to know that in the end he will be happy and in love there are many things that carry the same ideas as to keep the person supporting it .
The problem you ask ?
Well it is simply that you are now being turned in to plaster .
Some people would see the human soul and the human being as something precious and sacred . WRONG . Its just plaster . Acourding to this theory YOU are being manipulated all the time ! 24 hours a day 7 days a week . You are a slave in an system for salvation and God pleasing and everything that happans to you it is to make a God happy and pleased . This way you are nothing but a tool . An OBJECT for manipulation . Dont worry . You will be high . Being priest . But what is the true meaning behind the word *priest * ? Infact you will be SERVING the same God .Doesnt that sound to you as SLAVERY ?
Not only is it vulgar and EVIL to be MANIPULATED ,or INSLAVED ,but it is connected to the being they call *all loving *
It is not love to be a SLAVE . It is not love to MANIPULATE .
If you still have your brain functioning normaly and if you atleast LOVE the people deeply ,then you would probably know that making the soul ,or and person be a slave ,or be manipulated ,used ,made to be an object ,is an evil thing . It is also absurd to say that people 's souls are just plaster ,or clay ,because they are much more .

Why do they like it ? Why do they think the way they do ? Because they are deceived .
They are deceived ,because they are told that all of this is made because of love .You are killed in the name of love . Manipulated in the name of love . All on the name of love !
That is a very easy deception . By making something look good you approve the evils needed for the SYSTEM ,or PLAN to exist .This is religion . This is how it works .

I "manipulate" my hands, eyes, arms, legs, mouth, ears, on a continual basis.  Does that mean that I do not LOVE them? -- Naw!  I love them plenty... they are meant to serve me, as members of the body, and though I DIRECT them, does not mean that they are not INFINITELY appreaciated and cherished!  :HeartThrob:

The Hell doctrine in UR .
A said above all is in the name of love ! So it doesnt matter if in reality its a evil thing ,because its all for a good cause .
So torturing people and burning them is also a good thing .
The fact that CU has a hell is true . CU has the interesting ideas that there is a hell and that it is not permanent . Some call it spiritual "chastening ". Other believe that there is no hell . Other think that there is a hell and it is here on earth .

I believe in the Salvation of ALL... I believe also, that we are the UNCHANGING body of CHRIST... I believe also that we are the LIVING KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL... which contains BOTH in a "LIVING" WAY...

This life is TEMPORAL... we know this, yet most dont believe it, for suffering is HARD to endure.  GOD chose to reveal HIS KNOWLEDGE to HIS BODY.  His BODY is a LIVING THING, as IS, His KNOWLEDGE... In that KNOWLEDGE is contained SUFFERING and JOY... The suffering TEMPORAL, the JOY -- FOREVER!

Let us get to the idea of the spiritual "chastening ".
In order for one to understand the meaning ,one must know the word and where it came from .
Chastening means -"To correct by punishment"
That sounds qite fair doesnt it ? It odes ,but the word it self is promitive . It caries the old idea that a human being can be manipulated in order to be made in order . That is an old philosphy that is wrong . Why ? Because punishment ALONE can not force enyone to do something in some manner .A person might do it only to not be hurt due to an instinkt of self defence . So it uses our natural and PRIMITIVE nature 's ways as a measure . This way it is not trully effective .

We only see in part, so our vision is darkened to the WHOLE and BIG PICTURE.  We only "see" what is before us... we do not "see" what is to come...

If you have been a parent who loved his child, you would know that "chastening" is part of the molding of the character, concerning GOOD and EVIL, RIGHT and WRONG.

If NO BOUNDARIES are set, then ONE becomes WILD and UNDISCIPLINED.  Chastening is the REDIRECTION of misled thinking and actions...

The only way that someone may be corrected is for him to correct himself .
We all suffer in life and when struck with the fruits from our actions ,then we understand the truth and we correct ourselves . It is a life long proces of learning . Learning is also done by love .This way of learning a person gets used to knowing the truth without the need to suffer from greater mistakes.
So they are using a primitive idea .
What is making them think this way ?
Easy : they want to find a way to make people be what they want them and that idea confirms to some people 's underatsnding of their DOCTRINE .Also the Bible plays a role with its scriptures of the lake of fire .


Religion is a man made system of errors .

quite right!  We have all had influence to one degree or another with the varying RELIGIONS of Man... Which are SELF-CENTERED, and willing for INJUSTICE to occur to others [hell/annhilation/eternal punishments], just as long as it does not occur to them...  :sigh:

...willieH  :HeartThrob: