ROMANS 8

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Romans 8 >>
New International Version   

11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Does that mean that if someone does not have the spirit will not be raised from the dead?  (annihalation).

Or as I understand it, is this passage talking about the resurection when believers are raised to be with Jesus for the 1000 years?

Can anyone give me their opinion please?

[rosered]

Romans 8 >>
New International Version   

11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Does that mean that if someone does not have the spirit will not be raised from the dead?  (annihalation).

Or as I understand it, is this passage talking about the resurection when believers are raised to be with Jesus for the 1000 years?

Can anyone give me their opinion please?

  Hi Marc ,
In my    lowly opinion
  I believe this happens  now to many 
its called a '' quicking '' and have had them before as I am sure you may have as  well
  its a   wonderful  spiritual experience


Strong's G2227 - zōopoieō  1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

b) to restore to life

c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens [them]; even so the Son quickens whom he will.
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

  the word Life / quicken
  are  basically the same
    that Joy when in the spirit  is the  Lord working in us
   this  is what I believe / trust
   :HeartThrob:

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Romans 8 >>
New International Version   

11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Does that mean that if someone does not have the spirit will not be raised from the dead?  (annihalation).

Or as I understand it, is this passage talking about the resurection when believers are raised to be with Jesus for the 1000 years?

Can anyone give me their opinion please?

  Hi Marc ,
In my    lowly opinion
  I believe this happens  now to many 
its called a " quicking " and have had them before as I am sure you may have as  well
  its a   wonderful  spiritual experience


Strong's G2227 - zōopoieō  1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

b) to restore to life

c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens [them]; even so the Son quickens whom he will.
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

  the word Life / quicken
  are  basically the same
    that Joy when in the spirit  is the  Lord working in us
   this  is what I believe / trust
   :HeartThrob:

WOW.  That hit me like a freight train.
Yes i have experienced that life before, before i turned away from God, seeking my own sinful ways.

In doing so i punished myself.

I just hope one morning i will wake to the voice "Arise oh sleeper and let Christs love shine upon you".
Because i made a terrible terrible mistake in turning away.

Your words made a lot of sense to me Rose, ill keep seeking God and hope he will have mercy upon me, a sinner of sheer disgrace, that i might serve him once again and help to put things right and to show love to everyone i meet.

Please God, grant me that, help me in my doubts! 

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Rom 8:11 Now if the spirit of Him Who rouses Jesus from among the dead is making its home in you, He Who rouses Christ Jesus from among the dead will also be vivifying your mortal bodies because of His spirit making its home in you." CLV  

I feel is a version that is much closer to His Word.

[rosered]

Rom 8:11 Now if the spirit of Him Who rouses Jesus from among the dead is making its home in you, He Who rouses Christ Jesus from among the dead will also be vivifying your mortal bodies because of His spirit making its home in you." CLV  

I feel is a version that is much closer to His Word.

:thumbsup:   it is  much easier to ''grasp''  :HeartThrob:

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Shine I "Want to give my reasons for why"   "I" hate the NIV version....

Please don't take it as an attack on you or your faith... Lee

Jesus' Faith or Yours -- Who's  ?
K.J.V.                Rom. 3:22
   Even the righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ...

N.I.V.
   The righteousness from God comes through Faith in Jesus Christ...
This is just a plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   A righteousness of God through Jesus Christs' Faith.(E ph. 2.8  Too –through Jesus' Faith)

Gal. 2:16

K.J.V.
   Knowing the a man is not justified by the works of the law, But by the faith of Jesus Christ, even when we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we be justified by the faith of Christ.

N.I.V.
   Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but( by faith in) Jesus Christ.  So we too have put our faith in Jesus Christ that we may be justified by faith in Jesus Christ.  This is a plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   Having perceived that a man is not being justified by works of law, except alone through the faith of Christ Jesus, we also believe in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by the faith of Christ....(His Faith Not Ours...)

Phil. 3.9
K.J.V.
   And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the Law, But that which is through the faith of Christ, ( Who's ?) the righteousness which is of God by faith. ( JC'S Faith    NOT ours).

N.I.V.
   And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ the righteousness that  comes from God and is by faith...This is another Plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   And be found in Him, not having my righteousness, which is of law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is from God for faith,( J.C.'s Faith)
Gal. 2:20
K.J.V.
   I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God
N.I.V.
   I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the son of God=Plain Lie
C.L.N.T.V.
   With Christ have I been crucified, yet I am living; no longer I, but living in me is Christ. Now that which I am now living in flesh, I am living in faith that is of the son of God.

[rosered]

Romans 8 >>
New International Version   

11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Does that mean that if someone does not have the spirit will not be raised from the dead?  (annihalation).

Or as I understand it, is this passage talking about the resurection when believers are raised to be with Jesus for the 1000 years?

Can anyone give me their opinion please?

  Hi Marc ,
In my    lowly opinion
  I believe this happens  now to many 
its called a " quicking " and have had them before as I am sure you may have as  well
  its a   wonderful  spiritual experience


Strong's G2227 - zōopoieō  1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

b) to restore to life

c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens [them]; even so the Son quickens whom he will.
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

  the word Life / quicken
  are  basically the same
    that Joy when in the spirit  is the  Lord working in us
   this  is what I believe / trust
   :HeartThrob:

WOW.  That hit me like a freight train.
Yes i have experienced that life before, before i turned away from God, seeking my own sinful ways.

In doing so i punished myself.

I just hope one morning i will wake to the voice "Arise oh sleeper and let Christs love shine upon you".
Because i made a terrible terrible mistake in turning away.

Your words made a lot of sense to me Rose, ill keep seeking God and hope he will have mercy upon me, a sinner of sheer disgrace, that i might serve him once again and help to put things right and to show love to everyone i meet.

Please God, grant me that, help me in my doubts! 

  I hope so too Marc , nothing but good things for you 
God looks on the heart
    no flesh pleases Him ,

  my sinful flesh He despises  as well thank God He  made us spiritual beings as well and that  , I DO believe He looks upon

   for me I   want to see others as God  sees them  as well
  its is so much  easier to Love them with eyes of   Understanding
    than with my literal eyes ..  :HeartThrob:   my liteal eyes can be very decieving .. :sigh:

[Molly]

Jesus' Faith or Yours -- Who's  ?
K.J.V.                Rom. 3:22
   Even the righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ...

N.I.V.
   The righteousness from God comes through Faith in Jesus Christ...
This is just a plain Lie

Yep.


by1223 faith4102 of Jesus2424 Christ5547


There is no word 'of' or 'in'.  You could as easily translate it 'through Jesus Christ's faith,"  or "channeled through [the] faith [of] Jesus Christ."

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Rom 8:11 Now if the spirit of Him Who rouses Jesus from among the dead is making its home in you, He Who rouses Christ Jesus from among the dead will also be vivifying your mortal bodies because of His spirit making its home in you." CLV 

I feel is a version that is much closer to His Word.

I loved that Lee, thank you brother.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Like I wrote in another post, if you write to the writers of the NIV and as for their standards, you will be very disappointed in what "they" did.

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Romans 8 >>
New International Version   

11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Does that mean that if someone does not have the spirit will not be raised from the dead?  (annihalation).

Or as I understand it, is this passage talking about the resurection when believers are raised to be with Jesus for the 1000 years?

Can anyone give me their opinion please?

 Hi Marc ,
In my    lowly opinion
 I believe this happens  now to many  
its called a " quicking " and have had them before as I am sure you may have as  well
 its a   wonderful  spiritual experience


Strong's G2227 - zōopoieō  1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

b) to restore to life

c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens [them]; even so the Son quickens whom he will.
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

 the word Life / quicken
 are  basically the same
   that Joy when in the spirit  is the  Lord working in us
  this  is what I believe / trust
  :HeartThrob:

WOW.  That hit me like a freight train.
Yes i have experienced that life before, before i turned away from God, seeking my own sinful ways.

In doing so i punished myself.

I just hope one morning i will wake to the voice "Arise oh sleeper and let Christs love shine upon you".
Because i made a terrible terrible mistake in turning away.

Your words made a lot of sense to me Rose, ill keep seeking God and hope he will have mercy upon me, a sinner of sheer disgrace, that i might serve him once again and help to put things right and to show love to everyone i meet.

Please God, grant me that, help me in my doubts!  

 I hope so too Marc , nothing but good things for you  
God looks on the heart
   no flesh pleases Him ,

 my sinful flesh He despises  as well thank God He  made us spiritual beings as well and that  , I DO believe He looks upon

  for me I   want to see others as God  sees them  as well
 its is so much  easier to Love them with eyes of   Understanding
   than with my literal eyes ..  :HeartThrob:   my liteal eyes can be very decieving .. :sigh:

You make my world so much better just by being in it Rose, love in abundance to you my precious sister.

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Shine I "Want to give my reasons for why"   "I" hate the NIV version....

Please don't take it as an attack on you or your faith... Lee

Jesus' Faith or Yours -- Who's  ?
K.J.V.                Rom. 3:22
   Even the righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ...

N.I.V.
   The righteousness from God comes through Faith in Jesus Christ...
This is just a plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   A righteousness of God through Jesus Christs' Faith.(E ph. 2.8  Too –through Jesus' Faith)

Gal. 2:16

K.J.V.
   Knowing the a man is not justified by the works of the law, But by the faith of Jesus Christ, even when we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we be justified by the faith of Christ.

N.I.V.
   Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but( by faith in) Jesus Christ.  So we too have put our faith in Jesus Christ that we may be justified by faith in Jesus Christ.  This is a plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   Having perceived that a man is not being justified by works of law, except alone through the faith of Christ Jesus, we also believe in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by the faith of Christ....(His Faith Not Ours...)

Phil. 3.9
K.J.V.
   And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the Law, But that which is through the faith of Christ, ( Who's ?) the righteousness which is of God by faith. ( JC'S Faith    NOT ours).

N.I.V.
   And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ the righteousness that  comes from God and is by faith...This is another Plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   And be found in Him, not having my righteousness, which is of law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is from God for faith,( J.C.'s Faith)
Gal. 2:20
K.J.V.
   I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God
N.I.V.
   I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the son of God=Plain Lie
C.L.N.T.V.
   With Christ have I been crucified, yet I am living; no longer I, but living in me is Christ. Now that which I am now living in flesh, I am living in faith that is of the son of God.

Lee that was really interesting stuff, thanks a lot for posting it.
I'm glad Jesus has faith in me, because at this time i have no faith in myself at all.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

actually it is Jesus having faith "for" mankind

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Mankind had no chance of having any real faith in anything because of the nature in which the fathers (Jewish High Priest) left human kind in at JC's time

[jesushandsarekindhands]

actually it is Jesus having faith "for" mankind

Thats even better!!  Yippee!

[Barry DuPont]

The following scriptures are saying the same thing:
NKJV
Rom. 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

KJV
2Cr 4:7  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 
2Cr 4:8   [We are] troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair; 
2Cr 4:9   Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 
2Cr 4:10   Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 

The point being the "efficacy" or "life" that is produced in God sufficiency.
The topic of this verse is not making the mortal body immortal. But rather that life dwells in the mortal even if it is mortal. This is the treasure in "earthen vessels".

Barry

[jesushandsarekindhands]

The following scriptures are saying the same thing:
NKJV
Rom. 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

KJV
2Cr 4:7  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 
2Cr 4:8   [We are] troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair; 
2Cr 4:9   Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 
2Cr 4:10   Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 

The point being the "efficacy" or "life" that is produced in God sufficiency.
The topic of this verse is not making the mortal body immortal. But rather that life dwells in the mortal even if it is mortal. This is the treasure in "earthen vessels".

Barry

Barry thank you so much, i really am understanding now, thanks for taking the time to reply.

[claypot]

Shine I "Want to give my reasons for why"   "I" hate the NIV version....

Please don't take it as an attack on you or your faith... Lee

Jesus' Faith or Yours -- Who's  ?
K.J.V.                Rom. 3:22
   Even the righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ...

N.I.V.
   The righteousness from God comes through Faith in Jesus Christ...
This is just a plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   A righteousness of God through Jesus Christs' Faith.(E ph. 2.8  Too –through Jesus' Faith)

Gal. 2:16

K.J.V.
   Knowing the a man is not justified by the works of the law, But by the faith of Jesus Christ, even when we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we be justified by the faith of Christ.

N.I.V.
   Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but( by faith in) Jesus Christ.  So we too have put our faith in Jesus Christ that we may be justified by faith in Jesus Christ.  This is a plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   Having perceived that a man is not being justified by works of law, except alone through the faith of Christ Jesus, we also believe in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by the faith of Christ....(His Faith Not Ours...)

Phil. 3.9
K.J.V.
   And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the Law, But that which is through the faith of Christ, ( Who's ?) the righteousness which is of God by faith. ( JC'S Faith    NOT ours).

N.I.V.
   And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ the righteousness that  comes from God and is by faith...This is another Plain Lie

C.L.N.T.V.
   And be found in Him, not having my righteousness, which is of law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is from God for faith,( J.C.'s Faith)
Gal. 2:20
K.J.V.
   I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God
N.I.V.
   I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the son of God=Plain Lie
C.L.N.T.V.
   With Christ have I been crucified, yet I am living; no longer I, but living in me is Christ. Now that which I am now living in flesh, I am living in faith that is of the son of God.

Lee, if people could see this that you have put forth. It really does change everything.

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I knew and argued this before but it's been a long time. No one really had an answer, they would just move on.

All in Adam, all in Christ. God saw Adams lack of faith and ouch for everyone and then God saw Jesus' perfect faith and wowzer for everyone.

Makes so much sense to me.

cp

[HartleyDamboiseII]

I did a long prison sentence and had the time to study, I read every word of UR , tentmaker, sigler, JP Eby, and "all" the others, Most of all this info has been retained in memory, and I have the printed works of the above, so I can go and reference most anything.

I had many issues with ET'ers in this place, Their gun powder was the NIV and I wrote to the Publishers in the front of the book and asked to get information as to how decisions on wording was made, and they sent me a package with the answers, free to anyone who ask for it. Anyone would flip out as to what was done with that version. " I " know that that book is a book designed to mislead humankind with the intentions to make the reader a slave to their religion, and I wont put my all hated word in this message, that religion. 

I personally would say that anyone who relies on the NIV is doomed to error because of the writers errors.   This was why I put together a small list of facts for my ET'ers in the dept of Corr. but it didn't matter because once you follow this religion, the biggest issue they teach is that there "book" is the best and only one to read because other mis-lead them.

All frigen lies to get you and your wealth. Lee Damboise II

[HartleyDamboiseII]

I truly am not trying or intending to hurt or slander anyone or what they believe, I just want some facts there to be there for others to go and find out this on their own. My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge...

what more, is the person, organization, or other that intentionally mis-leads with the thought of Self and not of the Body of the "Whole" .

God Bless all

[Molly]

actually it is Jesus having faith "for" mankind

Yes.  That's a perfect way to put it. It is HIS faith.  Amazing, isn't it?  But, I believe we can stand on his faith, in his faith, and [because] of his faith..  In fact, that is the only thing that allows us to stand--pistis Iēsous  Christos--faith Jesus Christ.

That  little word 'dia' which is translated 'by' or 'through'  is really a very big word--

"by" [faith Jesus Christ]

G1223
διά
dia
dee-ah'
A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). In composition it retains the same general import: - after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) . . . fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through (-out), to, wherefore, with (-in). In composition it retains the same general import.

Mankind had no chance of having any real faith in anything because of the nature in which the fathers (Jewish High Priest) left human kind in at JC's time

What do you mean?  Why is that?

Anyone would flip out as to what was done with that version. " I " know that that book is a book designed to mislead humankind with the intentions to make the reader a slave to their religion, and I wont put my all hated word in this message, that religion. 

Yes.  I discovered  the same thing.  The NIV mixes up a lot of things and was [probably] mistranslated [on purpose].

[jesushandsarekindhands]

If it is Jesus' faith that saves us, then truly we are saved by the grace of God!  He has accompished everything!
Surely noone can boast at all! 

This is a powerful message i will be looking further into this, thank you Lee and to the others. 

[HartleyDamboiseII]

As to the High priest had no true guide from God for many decades, B.C. , and lead the chosen (Jewish people) in what they want them to believe , their own agenda.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

I truly love it when anyone receives God's Revelation promised in Matt, 16:17,  or has is the word you used. All has received new life because of what He "did" a very long time ago.

[HartleyDamboiseII]

at 16:17 Now, answering, Jesus said to him, "Happy are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood does not reveal it to you, but My Father Who is in the heavens."
Mat 16:18 Now I, also, am saying to you that you are Peter, and  :HeartThrob: :bgdance: will I be building My ecclesia, and the gates of the unseen shall not be prevailing against it."

Now the lie that most religions want you to believe is that this whole story is about a man Peter, but it has nothing to do with Peter, The WHOLE reason for these 2 verses is to show mankind that "NOW" God deals with Mankind in person and not through the old system, ( a organization with a high priest) as its head, Jewish system.

On this I will build my church, Personal Revelation...