Revelation, could someone read this please?

[jesushandsarekindhands]

A few years ago online (about 6 yrs ago now) i befriended a Christian online.  He was one of the few people who ever spent any time with me online and he was one of the few who also believed in a form of universal salvation, he was a real comfort to me at that time.

He said that years ago he had a revelation from God, a vision, where he predicted the Chernobyl disaster?  He was totally convinced of this and as far as I know he even wrote a book about it which he was told to give to someone by God.  (Or somthing along those lines). 
I always respected him, but wonder if he really did have a great grasp of scripture or if he was (i hate to say this), mad?

I can't find him anymore online, ive tried messaging all his email addresses and they are not working anymore.  But today i found an old post of his and if anyone has an interest in the book of revelation, could they perhaps read this post of his i found online?

I just want to know if he really did have a superior grasp of scripture as he probably believed he did.

See what you think of what he wrote if you are interested at all, it would be great to know what others think of this, and perhaps it might even be a revelation to them? 




Hi Interpretum.
You have to follow this really carefully in your King James if you are going to understand it, and if you do it should be a absolute revelation.....

If you look carefully at the description (of the interpretation of the fourth beast) of Daniel 7:15-27. You will see that the interpretation is actually subtely repeated twice to Daniel (once from 7:15-22 and then again 7:22-28), and this is very intentional, as a latter day aspect has to be on earth at the time Jesus casts the thrones down (see Daniel 7:12). And while the exalted horn of the first aspect of the fourth beast was a man (era of microcosm = the papacy), the latter day aspect of the little horn is a nation (era of macrocosm = the USA), as representing modern man in the literal carnal image of the microcosm (the papacy - i.e proud, blasphemous, lusting after merchandise etc). Thus the apostles describe the type of man around in the latter days will also be "proud, blaspemers etc" (macrocosm) just as the papacy was a proud blaspemer (microcosm), as modern man is now depicted in his image.

And that is because the law of prophecy from cause to effect first revealed the papacy (microcosm of man in the image of the beast) and then revealed the major Christian nations imbued as to those affections by the New World beast (the USA) and that charachter via Americas now global economic system (macrocosm of man in the papacys carnal image) via advertising, the corporate media, pop music (i.e consumerism).

For the same reason Revelation now reveals the nations (lion, eagle, leopard and bear) in that image, and therefore the "he" in Revelation 13 is now a personified nation(s) in the image of the beast (macrocosm) as oppossed to a person in the image of the beast, i,e the papacy (microcosm) as this is the last days of corporate effect (macrocosm of microcosm).

So as we are all now proud blasphemers and we are all now obsessed with merchandise as the popes of Rome where (see Rev 18:12-18), so this last era was not going to represent one man (the papacy) but the all the nations in his carnal image (era of macrocosm and effect).

Daniel mirrors the Revelation, so as Revelation 13 now deals with personified nations (when in the era of the Church it revealed the papacy), so the latter day aspect of the little horn is also now also a personifed nation. (As we are in the era of coroporate effect upon the nations).

Now many of you that are interested in eschatology now see the Beast out of the Earth as the UK and USA (two horns) in this last prophetic era (see Daniel 7:4, lion and eagle). So watch carefully by comparing scripture to scripture how we can prove that the latter day aspect of the exalted horn is now the USA (looking like a lamb but speaking like a dragon), or a pagan or a satan.

This still works on two levels remember. The U.S represents the Protestant beast, and it was Protestant America that forced the most carnal system ever known to man on the world (and said to the world you should be like us - in our image), as well as inforcing Vatican policy all over the world. Infact Bush has just talked about imbueing their image on the world (those words), thats the point of this crusade in the middle east. As it was the war in yugoslavia just gone, the Vietnam war, war in Korea etc etc, and as has been their policy for the last 50 years (Cold War). It should also be noted that prophetically Protestant America see everyone but themselves as the Beast out of the Earth, and talk of nonsesense things like implanted chips and all that rubbish, hence they are called False Prophets. Not one of them can accept the bar code system is the mark of that image, as all of them have been so brainwashed by their absolute whoredom to the global system of the world, i.e "God is a capitalist and a freemarketeer" (Marvin Olansky, G Bush's religious advisor).

What I will now show, is how the latter day aspect of the exalted horn subdued three kingdoms (the lion, leopard and bear) as representing the sea (old world) and burst forth as sole world superpower i.e "excercised all the authority" (Rev 13:12) of the first beast (or old world) at the precise moment the berlin wall fell in 1989 "the leopards fatal wound" was healed, and the cold war was won. At which time the final aspect of the exalted horn (now being a personified nation) burst forth from the 3 it had subdied (as representing the old world) to become the sole world hyperpower at the time of the end (now) and forced its image upon the world via its global economic system "buy or sell", formerly the carnal image of one man (the pope of Rome), now the image of modern Americanised man (i.e the world).
In other words what I am telling you is that the final aspect of the fourth beast, and the latter day aspect of the exalted horn burst fourth some 13 years ago now (in 1989), though it is shocking hardly anyone has perceived it.

Now there are very subtle but important differences between the (repeated) explanations of the two fourth beasts i.e the explanation of Daniel 7:15-22 talks of the three kings (falling), while the latter day aspect Daniel 7:22-28 talks of the three kings (now kingdoms = macrocosm) being "subdued".

This is very significant indeed, as in Revelation 13 we see the New World beast subdueing the Old World beast consisting of the lion, leopard and bear (UK, Germany and Russia). So infact what the latter day aspect does in subdueing them is actually "excericise all the authority" of the Old World beasts post 1989. The New World beast is allowed by the old world beast to "exercise all authority" at this point (to act as world hegmony/world policeman), as expressed by the words of Revelation 13:12 "and he excersised all the authority of the first beast" (consisting of the lion, leopard and bear) or the Old World (the crowded sea of multitudes, nations and tongues).

You see how wonderful Gods prophetic Word is?

Not only do we have three kings (now kingdoms) being subdued in the latter day aspect of the fourth beast, but sure enough in Revelation 13 we have the New World beast "excercising all the authority" of (3 kingdoms), that are indeed represented in Revelation chapter 13 as the major gentile powers of the "sea" of Old World (the UK, Russia and Germany). And so perfect is Gods prophetic word, that this actually happens the moment the leopards fatal wound was healed (fall of berlin wall), which is of course exactly when it did happen in 1989.

Now the persecution in this last era is totally difference (but far more deadly spiritually) than the 1260 years of papal persecution on the Church. Note very carefully that there is one more subtle difference between the first aspect of the fourth beast, and the latter day aspect of the fourth beast. Note very carefully that in the first aspect of the fourth beast, the exalted horm "makes war" on the saints (Dan 7:21). This is literally what the popes of Rome did. But note how the latter day aspect of the little horn does not make war on the saints in that literal sense of natural persecution, but shall "wear out the saints".
This is not literal persecution, this is far more deadly, this is spiritual persecution (what causes the falling away), and that is of course commerce/rampant materialism/consumerism. Which "wears out the saints", and has in these last 15 years caused a mass falling away (as Ps 73 reveals mamoon does), these are those who go "a whoring from Me". You cannot serve two masters. You either serve the god of the freemarket as imbued upon the world via Protestant America, or you serve Jesus.

Now we will see that this (dual prophecy) is built into the explanation of Daniel 8:10-12 that some wrongly believe is Russia (and why we are called False Prophets for not being able to perceive the plank in our own eyes).

Now please remember that natural persucution can actually lead to the salvation of the soul. Yet commerce, materialism, consumerism is far more insiduous and deadly, as it leads to seperation from God (falling away) and spiritual death (extinction). This is how we are being persecuted in these last days called "the hour of TEMPTATION that shall come upon all the world" (globalisation of the beasts economic system), to "TEST those that dwell on earth" (Rev 3:10). There will be no cutting chopping of heads in this last era, or any other kind of natural persecution in this last age. That all happened during the 1260 years of papal persecution in the natural degree. What is happening now is the persuction in the spiritual degree, the flood of Egypt that "wears out the saints".

We now have a world full of people living for what the popes of Rome lived for "all that is goodly and dainty", "all that thy heart desired", "MERCHANDISE of..." etc etc (consumerism). And it will take a great earthquake in the symbollic sense (World War 3) until people will snap out of the abyss that consumes them "night and day" 24/7 working just to live for that nature they so long to gratify (i.e consumerism) the lusts of the flesh and the carnal mind (666 in the head), and "all that is goodly and dainty" (the image of the beast), or the image of the popes of Rome who lusted after the same, now the image of modern Americanised man imbued upon the modern man via Protestant Americas global system of commerce "buy and sell".

Likewise, Revelation 9:12 says God "will destroy those that destroy the world". Now in a very literal sense, that means from both war and the capitalist policy of raping the earth in a totally unsustainable way (being done by the 10 nation IMF attached to the G7UN) that the papacy rides, which makes it simply impossible for this earth to sustain such obscene global gluttony for more than another 50 years at most before we have stripped the forests, used up the earths natural resources and ruined the planet through our buying and selling (living after the flesh like never before).

Now the 10 horns of the first aspect of the fourth beast, represented the 10 tribes of Europe, and the latter day aspect are pretty much the same 10 as now represented by the 10 richest nations of the world (the G10 IMF nations) that enforce "his policy" of "making craft to prosper" on the world, which is ruining the world (spritually and literally).

Those words "craft to prosper" in the first aspect of the exalted horn referred to the priest craft of Rome. Yet in the latter day aspect of the exalted horn, they refer to the same economic system of the New World beast "buy or sell" that is referred to in Revelation chapter 13:18.
Mercia2
May 9 2004, 05:54 AM
So Daniel 8:23-26 is now referring to the same entity and economic system as Revelation 13:11-18 (the Beast out of the Earth) which is now a personified nation that is enforcing its image via its global economic system "buy or sell" on the world. Hence, just as we have two subtley different interpretations of the fourth beast with subtle differences...

(i.e Daniel 7:15-22 = first aspect = Rome - the eagle)
and
(Daniel 7:23-26 = latter aspect = USA - the eagle)

So we also we have two interpretations in the book of Daniel for the first and latter day aspects of the exalted horn that emerged from the 10, i.e

(in Daniel 8:9-12 = first aspect = papacy) = microcosm of man
and
(Daniel 8:23-26 = latter aspect = the USA) = macrocosm of man

The first is a man (microcosm) and latter is a personified nation (macrocosm) as the nations are now in his literal image, in his carnal image (macrocosm). Hence the first era was always going to be the era of microcosm and cause, and the last era was always going to be of macrocosm and now corporate effect, (hence it is now the era of the nations), the lion, leopard, eagle and bear in all now in the literal image of one man (the pope of Rome), as this is the era of now global effect upon the nations.

That is why in Daniel 7:17 the interpretation of the beasts can be rendered as to both microcosm and in the latter days macrocosm, i.e the word "kings" (microcosm), or "kingdoms" (macrocosm), and of course we are in the last era of macrocosm and now corporate effect upon the nations, where all the people of the western Christian nations are in the literal carnal image of one man (microcosm/the popes of Rome), and are all living for and lusting after the same things he did (see Revelation 18:12-18), which is of course merchandise, and which is of course why we can no longer buy or sell anything in these gentile nations that has not got 666 on it (global bar code system), as we now all live for what he (the popes) lived for. Carnal riches, not spiritual riches, and the former also "wears out the saints".

click here - http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index2/rev/barcodes.htm

Ok so lets now have a look at Americas "policy" or global "he causeth all" economic system that is now revealed not only in Revelation 13:18 but also in Daniel 8:23-26. And not only that, but the New World beast is represented in Revelation 13 as destroying wonderfully; "even making fire come down from the sky in full view " of CNN. These are the miracles and wonders of natural man (shock and awe) as they call it. Thus in Daniel 8 we not only read about the New World beasts economic system "and through his policy he will cause craft to prosper" (now with 666 on everything we buy or sell), but we also read that he "shall destroy wonderfully" (Dan 8:24), which is the same as "even making fire come down from the sky in full view of men" in Revelation 13, just as his now global economic system "he causeth all" is the same as "his policy that shall cause craft to prosper" (Dan 8:25).

See how wonderful Gods prophetic Word is!!

The reason of Gods final intervention in human affairs is also because of the poverty and oppression the G10 IMF nations have caused by their clever yet evil strategy of bribing corrupt rulers and privatising their assets and stealing their natural resources (removing the bounds of the nations), as one reaches into a nest (Isaiah 10:13 - neoliberal globalisation), that has intentionally trapped the third world in unpayable debt; "for the crying of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, NOW I WILL ARISE saith the Lord", and again in Isaiah 24 "my povery, my poverty", "woe to the trecherous dealers" where we read it is because of this perverse oppression of the rich on the poor that causes Christ to return. And sure enough the UN is reporting that the division now between rich and poor nations is "beyond anything we have ever known before".

This was a very purposeful policy of the U.S at bretton woods IMF founding convention in 1945. The British delegation refused the U.S "strategic debt policy" they wanted to impliment on the world on the grounds it was "unbelievably immoral", yet the US delegation threatened to withdraw the war loan unless they not only got control of the world economy in this most cunning yet evil way via the IMF, but also insisted the IMF/UN be based in New York. The British delegation had no choice but to back down. Yet we read that IMF policy over the last 10 years has resulted in upto 218 million deaths, mostly children through evil neoliberal policies designed to make the rich, richer. All involve scrapping health care programmes, clean water programmes etc etc to make third world economies more pleasing for the rich western business class.

This is also why Protestant America and Britian are called False Prophets. As although hundreds of millions of people in 80 G10 IMF oppressed nations have been protesting on the streets and crying to us for mercy, in America and Britain we have hardly ever even took any notice of their crys to our utter shame (even though the pslamist reveals its the reason why God finally intervences in the affairs of man), because of the "OPPRESSION OF THE POOR, the sighing of the needy, NOW I WILL ARISE saith the Lord". Hence the fact we are still looking for a latter day aspect of the EU to fulfill this prophecy and "break up the earth", the 10 nation IMF has been doing this for the last 50 years causing "astounding devastation". And the poor have been crying out to Protestant America but Protestant America has not regarded to know the cause of the poor "the righteous regardeth the cause of the poor, the wicked regardeth not to know it". The psalmist reveals only God hears them and cares enough to intervene. It is a shocking mindset of the False Prophets of Protestant America that this 10 nation alliance has not been perceived before, when as yet millions of the poor have been crying out to us because of its oppression. All those who claim a latter day EU will fulfill this prophecy, are themselves only fulfilling prophecy themselves as Protestant False Prophets. And that is because they are exposed by their own eschatology of not regarding the cause of the poor. Neither wishing to know it. And hence not perceiving this 10 nation alliance prophetically.
Mercia2
May 9 2004, 06:11 AM
Now the last verse of Daniel 8:25 reveals something that we must all understand as Anglo-Americans.
At present the UK and USA (two horns of the Beast out of the Earth) and "lion and eagle" of Daniel 7:4 are currently fighting against Islam, and against the idea of a theocracy under the banner of liberty. Well you must all realise that when Christ calls for the nations to subdue to a theocracy under the saints. Just as the UK and US (New World beast) are fighting against Islam, so they will also lead the world against Christ and His saints. This is not in doubt, so do not get wedded to nationalism. Because YOU WILL have to pick between Christ and your nation when He comes.

"And he will stand up against the Prince of princes" Dan 8:25

The U.S is the present world power, and so it will be at when Christ returns. And it exalts the concept of liberty. And it is that statue of the Queen of Babylon with the crown of Mithras on her head in New York harbour that will be the rallying call of the U.S and the EU nations in the oppossition to Christs rule when he comes. The prophecys reveal that both the old world beast (Catholic Europe) and the new world beast (Protestant America) will oppose Christ on His return. Which is imminent.

Finally, we turn to the reason why we know the latter 10 aspect of the 10 horns are represented by the mamoon system of commerce and oppression that has destroyed the world environmentally and spiritually.

Most of you are expecting the EU to fulfill this prophecy. It will not. The final exalted horn burst fourth over 13 years ago now, and we have been living with the mark of this now global mamoon system for the same time. Its on everything we "buy" and "sell", just as predicted, (when predicted).

The image of Daniel shows the nations remain divided. They only come together in a economic sense as Revelation 13:18 reveals "he causeth all"; so no man can "buy or sell" without receiving the mark of this system that has now long been on everything we buy or sell worldwide.

This also means that the beast the woman (Vatican) is riding now in Revelation 17 is the UN (as represented by her seat on the UN). And the G7 (group of seven nations) attached to the UN, along with the G10 IMF nations attached to the UN in New York. The three kingdoms subdued by the New World beast are also three of the G10 IMF nations that have allowed the final exalted horn to become sole world superpower. And that is because the G10 IMF was the means by which the USA post 1945 ensured it would dominate the world economically, and the means by which it was ensured to burst forth in the latter days (after subdueing 3 of the 10 as representing the Old World) to become sole world superpower, and the final exalted horn of Daniel 8:23.

Now if you notice that lion (UK) is given the heart of a man, which does represent a improvement in the UK's attitude since its imperial colonial days. And not only did the UK strongly resist the evil US strategic debt plan at Bretton woods in 1945 as they knew it would trap all the poor nations of the world forever poor in a cycle of ever increasing debt and therefore subservience to the U.S. but in the year 2000 the British once again called for all the poor nations debts be cancelled as part of the Jubilee 2000 campaign to alleviate world poverty. Yet once again the U.S via the IMF refused. Only Christ can now free the poor from this immoral bondange and strategic oppression. We have failed.

The G10 IMF nations have also utterly raped the natural resources of this world in the last 50 years beyond anything ever experienced before.

The G10 IMF nations have destroyed all but a fraction of the worlds rainforests, by ordering client nations to privatise and cut down their forests to service their unpayable debts. Likewise every single natural resource, the IMF has insisted all client nations (which is 3/4 of the world) must exploit at a totally unsustainable level all their natural resources to service the U.S strategic debt imposed upon them. The result of this "policy" of neoliberal globalisation (Rev 13:18; Isaiah 10:13; Dan 8:24) has literally fulfilled the prophecy over the last 20 years or more of devouring the whole earth "the fourth beast which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down and break it to pieces" (Dan 7:23). This 10 nation alliance has cut down and broke to pieces tens of thousands of sq miles of forests. Broke to pieces and sold off to service unpayable debts. If they had dropped atom bombs they could not have done more destruction, all at a totally unsustainable level. No other 10 nation alliance will destroy and ruin this planet, at the same time as oppressing the poor (one of the main reasons for final judgement according to the psalmist) than the 10 nation IMF has done.

click here - http://www.envirocitizen.org/enet/imf_forests.html

Note those words carefully of the (latter) aspect of the 10 nation alliance. It says it shall be "diverse than all kingdoms", and in Daniel 8:24 it shall have a "policy" which is revealed in Revelation 13:18 as a economic one. In other words it shall be diverse than all other alliances as it is a economic alliance (hence the nations still remain divided in Daniel 2 - the iron does not cleave to the clay), yet they come together "in one mind" in this economic sense.

And the result is - the earth will be broke up and devoured to service the debts of the G10 nations, "and shall trample it down and break it in pieces", and God will "destroy those who destroy the world".

Its time to wake up. Its time to regardeth the cause of the poor, that you may see.

You can read his entire conversation here
http://www.thechristadelphians.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t2975-100.html

[Molly]

That was very interesting, Marc.  Thank you!

[jesushandsarekindhands]

That was very interesting, Marc.  Thank you!

I hope it was Molly.  The guy who wrote this was (i believed at the time anyway), a very educated man with a mission, he might know somethings people dont....I dont understand what hes going on about right now to be honest, i just thought he may be a help to others.

[glenda]

It's late, I really should be in bed, hubby's snoring away in the other room.. I didn't have time to read the whole thing, but of what I read, I think he is on to some things. I'm always shocked at how misunderstood bible prophecy and the book of revelation is.. I shouldn't be shocked because there's at least two locks in the book of revelation which work to hide quite a biot of the vision "for a time" as Daniel wrote at the end of his writings. Your friend wrote of the USA.. now this is refreshing,ost folks seem to think the US isn't in the book of rev and bible prophecy at all.. If you would follow along in rev 13, we can see that there are two beasts.. verses 1-10 is as your friend referred to as a world beast, a world body. The second beast, the one which begins as a lamb, but eventually speaks as a dragon, is the 'little' beast. It's an office of man. a two horned, or two seated office.. one which in the sight of mankind, 'brought down' fire upon earth, convincing them to rebuild the world body which had expired, because its head, didn't after all join the world body, even tho a u.s. president began the league of nations, it expired because afterall the u.s did not join. Towards the end, it's my belief the 'little' beast steps into the world beast/body which is what "gives it breath/authority.. and on with the rest of that chapter..
- Here's an interesting note, in Daniel 9, verse 27, speaking of the final "prince to come" in very latter days (there's a gap in bible prophecy, like with the two advents of Jesus, where the two advents in prophecy are spooken of almost in one breath like a continuous advent.. but we know there is a large space between His 1st advent and His 2nd, so too with bible prophecy, and here in Dn 9:27, speaking of the prince to come.. and "to the end" there is war (cause evil doesn't lie down).. and the verse speaks of the prince making a covenant which most bible prophecy studiers agree is some sort of global 'peace' treaty.. even as your friend said, as in Dan 2, the ten toes, "they will not reLLy cleave, being some iron" western/graeco,roman "and some not" - the hebrew word used for "covenant" also means "league".
- oh oh batteries getting low.. have to come back sunday...
I wrote a book on the book of rev.. tho no one has yet read it (xcept my son and my atheist brother, lol)
- hiroshima and nagasaki is also in chapter 6, the 6th seal.. then there's a pause (7:1) while this wind is held back for a time..

[sheila]

 seven seals actually.


   this all in preparation for the coming of the three kings from

the east..inspiried expressions like a frog[demonic].

   it is interesting to note that the greatest transfer of wealth

  has occurred from Uk,Europe,Usa  to....the mid-east oil

  countries...anyone find it odd that  oil is in such demand

and the price so high..and those that possess it are

accumulating much wealth for themselves[parable 10 virgins]

  go to those who sell and buy.

  oil is very very important..for the kingdoms of this world

  AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN


    There are demonic prince's[apalities] in high places that

  manipulate matters in all governments.


  You will note Gabriel had been trying to get through to Daniel

for 21 days..it took Michael coming to his assistance to get

through to him with that word from God. He then testified he

would leave and contend [Daniel 10;200] with the prince of

Persia [Iraq] and that the prince of Greek would come.


   The archangels regularly spiritually battle these principalities

at God's command. He is the final authority in all matters..and

He ultimately is in control


   Daniel 2;44In the time of those kings,the God of Heaven

will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed,nor will it be

left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms,and

bring them to an end,but it will itself endure forever.

[glenda]

I believe he is correct in history and rather prophecy repeating itself.. what with the papacy being an anti-Christ, what with the inquisitions and persecutions,  but it's a different world order in the final days of men's kingdoms(s), which in Daniel two is the ten toes/in the Book of Revelation, ten horns, but as Daniel said the ten being some of iron and some of clay (some western, and some not) they won't really cleave (no matter what (7yr) world peace accord/covenant/"league"(Strong's concordance#1285,Dan9:27) man seems to work out, and of course as your friend pointed out, "it's in the days of this kingdom (ten toes,verse2:44) that He will strike and break in pieces, destroying man's kingdoms (the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, but it, the kingdom striking it, will grow and fill the earth.."
- I think he's definitely on to something with the world of merchandise, etc.. if we once had the Roman Empire under the Caesars, the Holy Roman Empire under the popes, we can plainly see that the global empire of modern times is economic.. Revelation talks of the merchants who get rich by her (the final kingdom, the global harlot(greek word pornos/to sell) with whom the kings of the earth are in bed with (rev 17:2 surely we can clearly see that the leaders of the world are in bed w/ her) - the oil, as your friend has pointed out seems to me to be quite coincidental to be in the middle east, where the final battle of men is fought and mention is made of a lake of fire..
- As your friend pointed out, the papacy spoke great blasphemous words, etc, and so does the modern world what with saying there is no God, God is dead and the like and teaching throughout the educational systems of the modern world man's adult fairy tale of man from monkey and everything from nothing theory, a great false prophet which totally changed the world.
- Rev 13 has two beasts, the world beast/body which expired (papacy replacing Caesars and u.n. replacing league after it expired cause its head did not, after all join, even though it was the vision of a u.s. pres (Woodrow Wilson).
- I do think the whole world turns against God (the Judeo-Christian Father God who sent the Son), but! the u.s did not start out that way. Notice rev chapter 12.. the woman with twelve stars/tribes around her head, she is in pain to give birth, gives birth to the manchild (Son of man) but the dragon stands in front of her to devour the manchild(Son of man) as soon as He is born, this was Herod killing the babes of Bethlehem "but the manchild is caught up to God and His throne (a direct cross-reference w/ Hebrews ch three, I believe it is. Back to rev 12, Michael and his angels fought and the dragon was thrown out of heaven, no longer having access to the heavens, as Christ crucified has won the battle, the dragon comes down to earth enraged, chases the woman (now Christianity, as the mantle of truth now was from the shoulders of Israel and Old TEstament and now upon Christianity and New Testament. But she, the woman, now Christianity runs from the dragon to a new place, and counting the years written here, brings her to the renaissance when men again blasphemed God, and also the persecutions and inquisitions break out, a second raging of the dragon in rev 12, "but the woman is given the two wings of an egle to fly" (sail) "into another new place" 2nd migration of Christianity, where she is kept safe from the face of the dragon for three and one half (modern) divisions of time, at which time the serpent/seducer (mode of the dragon) spews water after the woman as a flood to wash her/christianity away. Sailed and landed in new place in 1620, add 350, and come to 1970, approximately when a formerly hidden social phenomenon and proliferation was unleashed and has almost washed away the christian roots of the u.s. (the flood was preceeded by the false prophet/teaching which changed the world, making ready for the flood.. But the earth will help the woman and will swallow the flood. Surely here too, is the drought, or dray and smoky day of Joel.. and a cross reference to words of Jesus when He was on His way to be crucified , He siad "do not weep for me, but for children's children, for if they will do this in a green leaf, what will they do in a dry leaf?" Green leaf at time of 1st advent, very dry leaf approaching 2nd advent.. (And what will they do? It proceeds out of the abyss and the smoke of the drought and resumed conflicts due to shortage.. namely the 666 genocide.. where the angel cries woe,woe, woe.. the bottomless pit is withing every creature (man and angel) of rationality, for thinking ability includes choice, and the evil man can do is a bottomless abyss).
- The nations of the world will surround Jerusalem (or Israel) for Armegeddon/last battle.. this brings us right back to the end of rev 12, where after the earth swallows the flood/proliferation/pornos & spirit of harlotry, the dragon turns his attention back to Israel (the rest of the woman's offspring) who have the commandments of God (and by now) the testimony of Jesus.. Notice how in rev 16.. tucked right in between the verses about armegeddon/last battle.. is the Lord's coming.. "three spirits like frogs(bitter) go out to gather to armegeddon, "behold I come as a thief, blessed is he who stays awake and is watching..", and they gathered them to armegeddon.
- This is because when Jesus comes, He comes in fire w/ his angels.. 1 thess 5:7; "immediately after the tribulation of those days.. the Son of man seen coming on the clouds, will send His angels out to the four directions to gather His elect.." - And remember, crying over Jerusalem how Jesus said, "ye shall not see me again O Jerusalem/Israel, until you say 'blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" (namely Jesus, of course.. i.e. Jesus returns when Israel turns to Him and whne the nations, in dragon wrath surround Jerusalem/Israel..
- Back to the ten toes/ten horns, and rev 13, which describes the two beasts in 'last' days (lots of people are caught up in the last world order, believing the papacy or RC church is all the characters and beasts or rev.
- The 1st beast is the world beast or body(verses1-10) and the second beast of chap 13 is verses 11-18, and we have his number, it's a man, or actually more accurately the political seat of man.. one w/ two horns or seats. This one is pinpointed for us by verse 13 which says this office brought 'down'' fire upon the earth in the sight of mankind which is what persuades them to rebuild the image/panel of the beast/dragon - the panel which becomes the dragon - the world body has a circle of tens horns w/ crowns.. And so after 1945 when thermonuclear warfare was opened, men of the earth rebuilt a/the world body (verses 13,14). This same second (man/office of man) beast has power to give breath/authority to the world body- I take this to mean the 2nd 'little' beast will step up and into the world beast/body.
- The lion, leopard and bear (and fourth beast more terrible) of Daniel 7, I go into in the short book I wrote about the Book of Revelation and Bible prophecy, if anyone should like a free download of the book, please let me know.. it's not very long and is a lot more clear than this post has been as I editted like 1500 times, well quite a few anyway..
- You can probably see where I disagree in some points with your friend.. but I think he was headed in basicly the right direction, but hasn't noticed the global harlot or economic system, the false prophet/teaching which changed the world.. and the world body as a political body of many nations which gains authority over the earth, conqueing the saints/stifling christianity-- and the u.s place as the seat which brought down fire upon the earth/opened thermal-nuclear/atomic weaponry, a vast spiritual earthquake (rev 6:12,described here in its form when Opened, but also in its progressed form at 'the end', this full description serves to hide much of the vision "for many days").... (Note wind held back for a time, verse 7:1).
- I also disagree with your friend who seems to not believe there will be great tribulation/persecution and the genocide of 666 - there's no claendar for 666, but there is a counting backwards - see daniel 12:11,12. I fully explain this in my book.. showing 45 days of tribulation with the last "ten days" being great tribulation and genocide, and the execution of choice is stated by the book of rev to be beheading.. (whereby they yell "allah is great"? Muslims, including radical Muslim population is exploding/yet more dragon wrath).
- I do not think any of these things can happen until there is much more of a world governing, but we are clearly headed in that direction! It's my (fervent) hope that the generation of the saints of the Living God at that time, will have a clear view of Bible prophecy and the Book of Revelation, which is the only book to say at the beginning and end "blessed are those who read and understand.." this (little) book (of Revelation). As the things written in it, are like so avoidable (and also short lived) if they know the "signs" (Mt 24:3, signs of His coming).
- I also do of course believe the mark (or tatto) of the beast will be economic in nature "without which none can buy or sell"/rev 13:17 (but it escalates to execution (rev 20:4). With modern technology (from the same white-frocked wizard who gave the 'little' beast his fire) I see no problem with an identifying, tracking, perhaps behavior modifying ability, chip or tatoo, much like the bar code on all products these days..
- 666 in days of Rome, in John's day.. the main roman numerals in existence, added up to 666 (500,100,50,10,5,1) and today as a first six, birthdates are now 6 numerals.