What you need to know before getting vaccinated for ANYTHING.

[Doc]

http://vactruth.com/2009/07/21/dr-andrew-moulden-interview-what-you-were-never-told-about-vaccines/

Basically, the upshot of this Doctor's conclusive, irrefutable evidence is that vaccinations not only are not preventing disease, they are killing and disabling millions.

Read this article all the way through and send the link to everyone you possibly can.

[martincisneros]

Yeah, I've absolutely refused vaccinations and antibiotics for years.  I have no desire for disease to be injected into me, when all of the nature of it's lifecycle and reproduction aren't fully understood, and then there's the issue of them injecting you with mercury with some of those poisons that they try to inject people with.  People are usually deficient in probiotics rather than in antibiotics that don't differentiate between good and bad bacteria and just kill it all....hmmm....sorta like chemo...as an equal opportunity killer of anything that it encounters/is exposed to. There are plenty of all natural antibiotics in a well balanced diet.  If people aren't eating a well balanced diet, witchcraft from the local doctor's not going to improve their health.  I meant to say witch's brew instead of witchcraft, but I think I'll leave that as I said it.  I've read way too much over the last 30+ years to ever mess with any of it.

Others can do what they want, and others can't base their basis for healing on my faith for my own wholeness in the Written Word that's been painstakingly developed for 20yrs.  They've gotta get in the Written Word and do for the next 20yrs what I've done for the last 20yrs about it.  And 20yrs from now, I'll be lightyears healthier and stronger than I am right now, and I'm the strongest right now, physically, that I've ever been in my entire life.  But each of us has to do what we have the most peace about in our relationship with God, whether or not to allow the laying on of the hands of the ungodly or not.  I realize a lot of people are going to continue to do what they've always done with going to these witch doctors and are going to continue to be poisoned as they've always been 'cause that's where their faith(?) is the strongest, and they regard that as cheaper and less painful than having a wide enough variety of herbs and vegetables in their diets. 

So, I don't mean anything that I've said as condemnation to anybody.  I'll go to doctors to give them blood that's got Holy Spirit without measure in it, and if I'm ever needed by family in some type of organ donation.  I'll even go for a complete physical when I'm over a hundred years old, including blood work, to verify, medically, that I've got the body of a teenager still because of the nourishing properties of the Written Word taken multiple times a day.  And then I'll do it again when I pass 200yrs old, and I'm not sure if I'll mess with any of it beyond then.  After a while, you've just got to decide that the Written Word is first priority and final authority regarding absolutely every single thought, every single action, and every single word that you speak and that there's too much in the New Testament commanding you to live in the person or fulfill the role of our risen Lord Jesus Christ in this life.  The New Testament promises each overcomer on His Written Word a minimum of a thousand years to live in this life, pre immortal state.

Most people don't have the thousands of hours invested in the New Testament yet to successfully pull that off with all of the backing of the Spirit.  I totally realize that, and they've got to do what they can in the meantime, but hopefully they're not content to leave the bar that low in their lives 'cause there are superior provisions available for each detail of our lives in the Written Word, but each reading of the Word aloud is like materializing/inheriting one solitary molecule of whatever the finished product is.  Your mouth is the transporter (i.e. as in a Star Trek transporter) and the Written Word is all of the heavenly blessings in heavenly places that you're to pull into this world.  Hence, the Bible's not a good fire extinguisher 'cause it only works [successfully] when it's contents are under pressure in your spirit.  Redemption has just got to be more real to you than your own name when it comes to your anointing, spirit, soul, body, finances, ministry, and social life.  You can't have that on half an hour of the Written Word [if that] each day.  Promises of redemption regarding your anointing, spirit, soul, body, finances, ministry, and social life have got to be written down and plastered all over the home, office, automobile, lockers at work, at the gym, and in the plane, etc., and read aloud each time you pass by them, and thank God that in Christ Jesus that's a reality in you NOW!!

Every moment of the day and night should revolve around the Written Word, so that it's life to those that find it, as the woman finding her man in Song of Solomon, and health to all of their flesh.  Everything that one encounters all day and all night long needs to be met by turning inward asking your spirit (that's been filled with His Written Word): "What does the Word say about this?" and then speak and act accordingly on the resurrection side of the Written Word, taking the side of redemption rather than the side of the curse as many folks in UR slip into.  That Book says you've already been delivered of all of these afflictions -- absolutely all of them.  Getting in agreement with the Book is getting in agreement with Holy Spirit and He'll quicken your mortal body by His Spirit that dwells in you. :Sparkletooth:

[Raggedy Anne]

I don't intend to get any flu vaccination.  I'll just take my chances.    I've heard a lot of rather disturbing news concerning vaccines over the past few years. 

More articles about flu vaccine:

http://www.commondreams.org/search/commondreams?cx=002299596031389324112%3Aodhtzdyi_ja&cof=FORID%3A9&query=flu+vaccine&op=Search&form_id=google_cse_results_searchbox_form#956

[WhiteWings]

RA,

In case you are meaning Swin Flu....
That's a hoax. About the whole program is dropped here. Doctors subcribe rest....
The main advising virologist that advised our .gov and WHO is loaded with stocks in a flu company.
All execpt him speak of a mild nothing special virus.

The chances getting the flu with a shot is double from getting it without (Jab you still have the link?)
It prevents nothings. At best you are one day less ill.

[martincisneros]

vitamin D is supposed to be one of the best defenses and because of lack of sunlight in the winter, that's supposed to be one of the number one reasons why more people get their butts kicked during that time of year with the flu than at any other time of the year.  start really upping your vitamin D intake and I don't mean vitamin D "fortified foods" where you can never be sure of exactly how much you're getting with mass produced commercially prepared foods.

[sparrow]

vitamin D is supposed to be one of the best defenses and because of lack of sunlight in the winter, that's supposed to be one of the number one reasons why more people get their butts kicked during that time of year with the flu than at any other time of the year.  start really upping your vitamin D intake and I don't mean vitamin D "fortified foods" where you can never be sure of exactly how much you're getting with mass produced commercially prepared foods.

Definitely vitamin D. I agree!

[Molly]

There's a new documentary out by the geniuses over at the lymesentinel blog.  I think it links a myriad of diseases from ms to cancer to biological warfare experiments, and a biologic agent called mycoplasma.  But I haven't seen it yet.  Here's a trailer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UOhME0K4hw



MYCOPLASMA
The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases


http://www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

[martincisneros]

Behold the power of cheese vaccinations!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT7oTQyJjZ0

[Molly]

Sneaking in some good news.... [can we get algore to give his nobel prize back?]



Energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world

Engineers have performed their magic once again. The world is not going to run short of energy as soon as feared.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 5:47PM BST 11 Oct 2009

America is not going to bleed its wealth importing fuel. Russia's grip on Europe's gas will weaken. Improvident Britain may avoid paralysing blackouts by mid-decade after all.

The World Gas Conference in Buenos Aires last week was one of those events that shatter assumptions. Advances in technology for extracting gas from shale and methane beds have quickened dramatically, altering the global balance of energy faster than almost anybody expected.

Tony Hayward, BP's chief executive, said proven natural gas reserves around the world have risen to 1.2 trillion barrels of oil equivalent, enough for 60 years' supply – and rising fast.

"There has been a revolution in the gas fields of North America. Reserve estimates are rising sharply as technology unlocks unconventional resources," he said.

This is almost unknown to the public, despite the efforts of Nick Grealy at "No Hot Air" who has been arguing for some time that Britain's shale reserves could replace declining North Sea output.

Rune Bjornson from Norway's StatoilHydro said exploitable reserves are much greater than supposed just three years ago and may meet global gas needs for generations.

"The common wisdom was that unconventional gas was too difficult, too expensive and too demanding," he said, according to Petroleum Economist. "This has changed. If we ever doubted that gas was the fuel of the future – in many ways there's the answer."

The breakthrough has been to combine 3-D seismic imaging with new technologies to free "tight gas" by smashing rocks, known as hydro-fracturing or "fracking" in the trade.

The US is leading the charge. Operations in Pennsylvania and Texas have already been sufficient to cut US imports of liquefied natural gas (LGN) from Trinidad and Qatar to almost nil, with knock-on effects for the global gas market – and crude oil. It is one reason why spot prices for some LNG deliveries have dropped to 50pc of pipeline contracts.

Energy bulls gambling that the world economy will soon resume its bubble trajectory need to remember two facts: industrial production over the last year is still down 19pc in Japan, 18pc in Italy, 17pc in Germany, 15pc in Canada, 13pc in France and Russia. 11pc in the US and the UK and 10pc in Brazil. A 12pc rise in China does not offset this.

OPEC states are cheating on quota cuts. Non-compliance has fallen to 62pc from 82pc in March. Iran, Nigeria, Venezuela et al face a budget crunch. Why comply when non-OPEC Russia is pumping at breakneck speed?

The US Energy Department expects shale to meet half of US gas demand within 20 years, if not earlier. Projects are cranking up in eastern France and Poland. Exploration is under way in Australia, India and China.

Texas A&M University said US methods could increase global gas reserves by nine times to 16,000 TCF (trillion cubic feet). Almost a quarter is in China but it may lack the water resources to harness the technology given the depletion of the North China water basin.

Needless to say, the Kremlin is irked. "There's a lot of myths about shale production," said Gazprom's Alexander Medvedev.

If the new forecasts are accurate, Gazprom is not going to be the perennial cash cow funding Russia's great power resurgence. Russia's budget may be in structural deficit.

As for the US, we may soon be looking at an era when gas, wind and solar power, combined with a smarter grid and a switch to electric cars returns the country to near energy self-sufficiency.

This has currency implications. If you strip out the energy deficit, America's vaulting savings rate may soon bring the current account back into surplus – and that is going to come at somebody else's expense, chiefly Japan, Germany and, up to a point, China.

Shale gas is undoubtedly messy. Millions of gallons of water mixed with sand, hydrochloric acid and toxic chemicals are blasted at rocks. This is supposed to happen below the water basins but accidents have been common. Pennsylvania's eco-police have shut down a Cabot Oil & Gas operation after 8,000 gallons of chemicals spilled into a stream.

Nor is it exactly green. Natural gas has much lower CO2 emissions than coal, even from shale – which is why the Sierra Club is backing it as the lesser of evils against "clean coal" (not yet a reality). The US Federal Energy Regulatory Commission said America may not need any new coal or nuclear plants "ever" again.

I am not qualified to judge where gas excitement crosses into hyperbole. I pass on the story because the claims of BP and Statoil are so extraordinary that we may need to rewrite the geo-strategy textbooks for the next half century.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6299291/Energy-crisis-is-postponed-as-new-gas-rescues-the-world.html

[jabcat]

RA,

In case you are meaning Swin Flu....
That's a hoax. About the whole program is dropped he. Doctors subcribe rest....
The main advising virologist that advised our .gov and WHO is loaded with stocks in a flu company.
All execpt him speak of a mild nothing special virus.

The chances getting the flu with a shot is double from getting it without (Jab you still have the link?)
It prevents nothings. At best you are one day less ill.

Yep.  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/science/study-prompts-provinces-to-rethink-flu-plan/article1303330/

[WhiteWings]

Sneaking in some good news.... [can we get algore to give his nobel prize back?]



Energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world

Getting a gas vaccination Molly? :laughing7:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5868

[jabcat]

I'm a big proponent of alternative/natural preventions and treatments, and NO vaccine.

What thoughts do you have about this article I just saw?

"Swine flu hits hard, early - claims 11 more kids

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_he_me/us_med_swine_flu

[WhiteWings]

First thing I would like to know is; what was the health condition of the kids before they got the flu? Were they vaccinated?
I ask because I know of a person that died because of swinflu. But they conveniently forgot to mention the person was already terminally ill for months before he caught the flu.
I see it's a WHO advertorial so  :thumbdown:
Where I live the hype is almost dead. A little extra hygene is all that's advised.
Simple things like washing hands etc (the virus isn't airborne)

That flu starts early doesn't mean it lasts longer. I can just as well stop earlier in the winter.

[jabcat]

I wondered the same thing as I was to read it.  In fact I told my wife recently that many/most that were dying had some sort of pre-existing condition.  I don't believe this article elaborates.  Once again, not the best journalism - and I agree - WHO  :thumbdown:.

[Raggedy Anne]

It is worrisome.  We got permission slips from school today for the Swine Flu vaccines that are on the way.  I have two children in high school and two in college.  I'm not sure what to do.  I will discuss it with my husband this weekend and we will have to reach a mutual decision as well as allowing the kids to have a say in the matter.   It seems like there is a bit of a media push for people to panic as they are rolling out this new vaccine.  But perhaps they really are just trying to save lives.  

This is a serious health concern.  The Flu Epidemic of 1918 killed millions.  Flu certainly can be deadly.  One of my daughters was very sick with the flu back in 1998 to the tune of losing 10 of her 70 pounds of body weight and she had a fever of 105-106 for over a week and I had to hospitalize her.  I think IV fluids saved her life.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/28/science/28flu.html

Swine Flu Shots Revive a Debate About Vaccines
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/health/16vaccine.html?em

[Gab]

I'm pretty darn sure I had the swine flu back in early September.  I'll never know for sure, as I didn't go to see the doctor - my symptoms weren't severe (my fever topped out at around 102 F), and I read the CDC was reserving flu tests and medication for those with severe symptoms, so I figured there'd be little point in doing so.  But I'd been flu-free ever since I was ten years old, and this one knocked me out of work in September for almost the whole week, so putting those two facts together made me conclude that it certainly didn't seem like the seasonal flu.

I agree with jabcat (and others) that the first line of defense in anyone's body should be natural - if your first instinct is to leap for the drugs the moment you get a sore throat and a sniffle, that's a problem.  Your immune system is there for a reason, and contrary to what seems to be popular belief it isn't self-sufficient and static.  I'm a huge proponent of Brazil nuts (best source in the world of the little-known nutrient selenium) and vitamin C, both of which are essential to a well-functioning immune system.  I was initially skeptical, but ever since I started regularly eating three Brazil nuts a day at breakfast and taking a vitamin C supplement every night, colds have become usually little more than a minor annoyance, often almost less than 24 hours in duration.

On the other hand, though, I can't agree with the notion that one should entirely swear off anything from the medical world.  Modern medicine isn't perfect and ought not to be the front line of defense against ill health, but the hugely extended life expectancies today compared to one or two centuries ago ought to give at least a certain indication that it's at the very least a little more than 21st century snake oil.  If I or my loved one were to come down with, say, meningitis, I'm not exactly going to forbid the use of antibiotics.  I also have a certain puzzlement with the absolute opposition to the use of vaccinations - although the unfortunate reactions to the ill-advised mass vaccinations of 1976 were certainly tragic, the fact that they have been instrumental to the widespread eradication of polio and smallpox can't really be denied (well, I suppose it can, but not very well, considering how closely linked the implementation of the vaccination was with the resulting falloff of new cases).

[jabcat]

Wow, poignant and good posts, Anne and Gab.  Much to agree with and think about.

A few quick thoughts.  I had planned on buying Brazil nuts on Saturday!  :laughing7:

With those experiences Anne, I can see why you'd be attending to this as you are.  I found Doc's link in the OP to be quite enlightening, worth a read.

First of all, the power and protection of God is paramount.  Secondly though, WW and I have talked about this - I'm a big believer in true colloidal silver, along with good healthy foods and supplementation.  I also have a stock of elderberry extract (natural antibiotic) on hand.

And yes, I do take some medications too - the ones I haven't thus far seemed to be able to do without. 

We need to be holding each other up in prayer.

God's blessing, James.

[Raggedy Anne]

CDC Flu Tracking Page:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

[WhiteWings]

RA,

Noone denies flu can be deadly. It simple is. As Jabcats article states nearly 36000 Americans die of the flue yearly. The difference with swine flu is that they want you to believe half of the USA will be wiped out in the next few months.

I'm also doubting the 36000 a bit. Nothing like corruption or something similar but how things are registered. Often old people die of the flu. The question is did the old man of 95 die of the flu or was he just to old to live on? The flu just tipped the scale.
Same with AIDS deaths. AIDS itself isn't a real illness. It breaks down your immume system and then you get ill of all kinds of things. Those patients get pneumonia (spelling) in the middle of the summer. Often the cause of death is written down as pneumonia.
Strickly speaking that's correct. But OTOH it was AIDS that indirectly caused that pneumonia.

Where I live leaflets are spread. A simple checklist to see you got swine flu.
The leaflet ends with a 'warning' not to go to the doctor. It only infects people in the waiting room. Call the doctor. The doctor basicly asks the same things as listed on the leaflet and tells you to take an asprine and goto bed.
Isn't that strange? Here the flu is 'cured' by telephone and sleep. And in teh meanwhile hals of the USA is wiped out?

[Gab]

I found Doc's link in the OP to be quite enlightening, worth a read.

It was interesting, but to be honest there were a few big red flags that went up for me as I was reading through it.  Any time someone exclaims that what they have discovered is absolutely, 100% undeniable, I immediately get skeptical almost as a reflex.  That he claims that there is no opposition to his stance when his stance remains a small minority in the medical world amplifies those effects.

Probably the most confusing accusation that he made was that the Spanish flu of 1918 was caused by vaccinations.  I literally cannot believe he made that claim, and for a very simple reason: the first vaccination for the flu did not occur until 1945.  It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to claim that the Spanish flu was due to vaccination, as there was quite literally no new vaccination established in that time period to account for the rash of flu-like symptoms - the last vaccine established prior to 1918 was the 1897 vaccine for bubonic plague, and the first vaccine established after 1918 was the 1921 vaccine for diphtheria.  It's estimated that approximately one billion humans were infected with the Spanish flu virus, yet I know of no billion-person vaccination drive in 1918.  He claims it was due to the vaccination of American military personnel, yet it was a global pandemic.  And for that matter, we know that there was a flu virus in 1918 because we've seen it under microscopes and observed its effects on animals.  And we have observed its similarity to the viruses present during all instances of the seasonal flu.  Would not the logical conclusion be, then, that that flu virus caused the flu-like symptoms seen in people around the world?

There are other strange claims, as well.  For example, he claims that viruses like polio and smallpox have been eradicated (or all but eradicated for polio) due to sanitation, potable water, nutrition, and the like, and that the vaccines had nothing to do with it whatsoever.  Yet, this too is incongruent with the evidence - when the polio vaccine was first implemented on a broad scale, the number of new polio cases dropped like a rock.  Sanitation, water, and nutrition didn't just magically improve on that broad a scale at the exact same time the vaccine was implemented.  When a worldwide effort to eradicate the disease was undertaken in 1988, the number of new cases per year dropped from over 350,000 in 1988 to a little over 1,000 in 2007.  Again, this cannot possibly be attributed solely to an improvement in sanitation, water, and so forth.

I don't mean any disrespect to Dr. Moulden, but I have to say that he really seems to have come to a conclusion in life and is now basically trying to cram all of the evidence available into the hole he has constructed, even when it just plainly does not fit in the least.  Most of the time I just leave such people alone, but in this case I really am honestly concerned, because when there is so much evidence in favor of vaccines having a huge impact on the combating of diseases, for someone to then come along and declare that all vaccines ought to be banned is really being quite dangerous - this is a lot more than just a person respectfully differing with the scientific and medical consensus.  I don't want him silenced or anything, but I would certainly caution people against simply taking his word as given and then passing it on to everyone they know.

First of all, the power and protection of God is paramount.  Secondly though, WW and I have talked about this - I'm a big believer in true colloidal silver, along with good healthy foods and supplementation.  I also have a stock of elderberry extract (natural antibiotic) on hand.

I certainly agree with this - when I came upon the realization that there was something definitely wrong with me when I came down with the flu, I prayed on the first day to God to be with me while I recover.  And I absolutely agree that healthy foods and proper acquisition of nutrients is paramount.  I just don't think it should be the only thing one is willing to undertake.

We need to be holding each other up in prayer.

Agreed. :smile:

[Gab]

The difference with swine flu is that they want you to believe half of the USA will be wiped out in the next few months.

Well, that depends on who the "they" is.  Everything I've seen from medical professionals has been trying to downplay the effects of the flu.  Strictly speaking, the WHO classification of "pandemic" means nothing other than that they do not believe the virus can be successfully contained, and I've seen a number of attempts to drive home the fact that "pandemic" does not mean "we're all gonna die".  If, on the other hand "they" is the media, then yes - anything for a good headline.

I'm also doubting the 36000 a bit. Nothing like corruption or something similar but how things are registered. Often old people die of the flu. The question is did the old man of 95 die of the flu or was he just to old to live on? The flu just tipped the scale.
Same with AIDS deaths. AIDS itself isn't a real illness. It breaks down your immume system and then you get ill of all kinds of things. Those patients get pneumonia (spelling) in the middle of the summer. Often the cause of death is written down as pneumonia.
Strickly speaking that's correct. But OTOH it was AIDS that indirectly caused that pneumonia.

As I understand it, the statistic for number of deaths from the flu is basically based on whether or not the person was infected with the flu and if his or her cause of death was related to a symptom or complication of the flu.  Whether or not that slants or misrepresents things is up to the observer to decide, but I don't think it's deceptive to say that such a person died from the flu.  Elderly people are also more likely to die from heart attacks than young people, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect to say that they died of a heart attack.

Where I live leaflets are spread. A simple checklist to see you got swine flu.

The leaflet ends with a 'warning' not to go to the doctor. It only infects people in the waiting room. Call the doctor. The doctor basicly asks the same things as listed on the leaflet and tells you to take an asprine and goto bed.
Isn't that strange? Here the flu is 'cured' by telephone and sleep. And in teh meanwhile hals of the USA is wiped out?

The CDC's website (an American governmental medical organization) when I visited in September actually said much the same thing: if you have the symptoms from this list then seek immediate emergency medical help, but otherwise just don't go out in public, drink liquids, and get rest.

[WhiteWings]

I agree with jabcat (and others) that the first line of defense in anyone's body should be natural - if your first instinct is to leap for the drugs the moment you get a sore throat and a sniffle, that's a problem.  Your immune system is there for a reason, and contrary to what seems to be popular belief it isn't self-sufficient and static. 

Seasonal flu often is similar. So your immume system fights it of without you knowing it.
i think nearly 100% of the people get the flu. But a decent immume system kills of the virus almost instantly.
Swine Flu is new (old actually 1918) so the immume system has to build up defenses.
That possibly means more people get ill.
Swine Flu is less infectious than normal natural flu. But because the immume sysyem isn't trained yet a higher percentage of infected people get ill.
Note: I'll doesn't mean die by defenition; a running nose is ill too.

[Gab]

Seasonal flu often is similar. So your immume system fights it of without you knowing it.
i think nearly 100% of the people get the flu. But a decent immume system kills of the virus almost instantly.
Swine Flu is new (old actually 1918) so the immume system has to build up defenses.
That possibly means more people get ill.
Swine Flu is less infectious than normal natural flu. But because the immume sysyem isn't trained yet a higher percentage of infected people get ill.
Note: I'll doesn't mean die by defenition; a running nose is ill too.

Yes, that's exactly correct - I can't imagine that my not having had the flu in fourteen years could have possibly been simply because I was never exposed to it.

[WhiteWings]

I found Doc's link in the OP to be quite enlightening, worth a read.

Probably the most confusing accusation that he made was that the Spanish flu of 1918 was caused by vaccinations.  I literally cannot believe he made that claim, and for a very simple reason: the first vaccination for the flu did not occur until 1945. 

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html

[WhiteWings]

The difference with swine flu is that they want you to believe half of the USA will be wiped out in the next few months.

Well, that depends on who the "they" is.  Everything I've seen from medical professionals has been trying to downplay the effects of the flu.  Strictly speaking, the WHO classification of "pandemic" means nothing other than that they do not believe the virus can be successfully contained, and I've seen a number of attempts to drive home the fact that "pandemic" does not mean "we're all gonna die".  If, on the other hand "they" is the media, then yes - anything for a good headline.

The media certainly is part of they. But most of the time the media quotes a scientist.
Or misquotes perhaps...
The defenition of a pandamic was that a certain percentage of people got infected and a certain percentage dies of that infection. Last year the 'percentage dies' is removed from that defenition. That means WHO has to declare a possible pandamic much sooner. Many countries must (by their on law) act upon the recommendation of WHO. Coincidence?

As I understand it, the statistic for number of deaths from the flu is basically based on whether or not the person was infected with the flu and if his or her cause of death was related to a symptom or complication of the flu.  Whether or not that slants or misrepresents things is up to the observer to decide, but I don't think it's deceptive to say that such a person died from the flu.  Elderly people are also more likely to die from heart attacks than young people, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect to say that they died of a heart attack.

True. To a certain extend....
Example. A hunter with a running nose steps in a bear trap. He free himself and starts a 3 hour walk to the hospital. His foot is cut off by the trap and loose lots and lots of blood. after 2 hours he dies.
Did he die because of bloodloss? The bear trap? Or the running nose (flu)?

Don't get me wrong Gab I don't really disagree with you; but we both know how stats are abused.

Where I live leaflets are spread. A simple checklist to see you got swine flu.

The leaflet ends with a 'warning' not to go to the doctor. It only infects people in the waiting room. Call the doctor. The doctor basicly asks the same things as listed on the leaflet and tells you to take an asprine and goto bed.
Isn't that strange? Here the flu is 'cured' by telephone and sleep. And in the meanwhile half of the USA is wiped out?

The CDC's website (an American governmental medical organization) when I visited in September actually said much the same thing: if you have the symptoms from this list then seek immediate emergency medical help, but otherwise just don't go out in public, drink liquids, and get rest.

[/quote]
That's still a bit different. "emergency" sounds quite threatening.
"but otherwise just don't go out in public, drink liquids, and get rest." That doesn't sound really deadly.