Ages of the Ages

[Jerm]

Howdy folks, need a wee bit of insight.  I understand what the phrase "ages of the ages" means and that it does not mean for ever and ever as most Englsih translates state.  However, I'm slightly confuse when this phrase is used in other places, particularly dealing with Christ's glory (Galatians 1:5 "to whom be the glory for the ages of the ages" and Phil 4:20 " to God the Father be the glory to the ages of the ages, amen.")  What are these passages saying about God's glory?

[Beloved Servant]

"Glory" is the substance of God. What He consists of; We are His Glory!























(Just my opinion)

[Beloved Servant]

It's His nature! He is the one we're living for!

[Beloved Servant]

Moses could not enter what WE ARE!

[Beloved Servant]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLJF9vaIJ_0

[Molly]

"Glory" is the substance of God. What He consists of; We are His Glory!

Yes, we are.


As all of us reflect the Lord's glory with faces that are not covered with veils, we are being changed into his image with ever-increasing glory. This comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

--2 Cor 3:18

[reFORMer]

We here on this side of our local web monitor were just a few minutes ago dealing with what we should say to describe the "glory" of God.

One thing was partly a reaction to hearing media preachers say again Jesus will rule from a throne in Jerusalem, meaning it in the most literal and carnal sense possible.  God rules over us while we have this animal flesh nature; but, that is temporary and not His ultimate intent.  Even now, "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."  He is liberating us by recreating us into His own image and likeness.  He writes His law in our hearts and minds so without being bossed by Him, we delight in His will and understand it as our own.  It is not to create autonomous god-like beings either, for we are being made a temple for His habitation.  He wants a many membered vessel to display the glory of Himself.  When enough of us are sufficiently conformed to His image, He will manifest from His temple and that will determine what occurs among men from that point on.  In Romans 8 it is called, "The liberty of the glory."  It's not about us becoming some sort of political movement using carnal weapons to get our way, or even immortal humans using superior power to coerce the rest of mankind into the right way (though there will be sanctions, like withholding the rain so those of a certain area would go to neighboring regions where the truth is being more accurately followed.)  People of that day will be expected to normally enter into the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, that is, to enter into immortality rather than die.  The reign of the saints in all the earth will be more like what Jesus walked in:  healing, liberating, enlightening, not bossing everybody and everything else around, just walking free in the glory of God and liberating the rest of creation from the bondage to sin and death.  Can you hear every thing's groaning in birth pangs?  That is where we already are all one, in that travail or in the Sonship realm emerging from it.

[WhiteWings]

Howdy folks, need a wee bit of insight.  I understand what the phrase "ages of the ages" means and that it does not mean for ever and ever as most Englsih translates state.  However, I'm slightly confuse when this phrase is used in other places, particularly dealing with Christ's glory (Galatians 1:5 "to whom be the glory for the ages of the ages" and Phil 4:20 " to God the Father be the glory to the ages of the ages, amen.")  What are these passages saying about God's glory?

The way I read it:

Galatians 1:5 to whom be the glory for the ages of the ages
The Kingdom of Jesus is not eternal. He hands over His Kingdom to Father and then His glory ends...?

Phil is more problematic to me but I think it has a similar meaning. Plus I think we only have 2 ages left (current, next)

[Molly]

..that the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of decay into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

--Rom 8:21


That's wonderful.  The liberty of the glory of the children of God.

[reFORMer]

Dora Van Assen believed God took her out in the spirit, a whole day exposed to the Arizona sun and not suffering sunburn in any way.  He showed her there were eight ages.  I understand a minimum of five are indicated in Scripture.

[Cardinal]

People of that day will be expected to normally enter into the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, that is, to enter into immortality rather than die.  The reign of the saints in all the earth will be more like what Jesus walked in:  healing, liberating, enlightening, not bossing everybody and everything else around, just walking free in the glory of God and liberating the rest of creation from the bondage to sin and death. 

:cloud9: AMEN, and we are SO close to that becoming our reality, it's almost scary. Blessings.....

[sven]

From a German book, it seems about Orthodox (and/or Catholic) liturgy, it has nothing to do with universalism; actually the authors might believe in everlasting punishment, it contains this explanation:

[For the ages of ages,] this literal translation from the Greek corresponds with the Latin "in saecula saeculorum" [into ages of ages]. Thereby is not meant the "Eternity" (aidiothV, aeternitas) as infinite, unfading time, that only applies to the triune God Himself; but the sum of all finite and fading periods of time. The translation "from Eternity to Eternity" [the English "forever and ever"] or in "all Eternity" is at least misleading. Theologically more of relevance is, that by this use of "Eternity", it's no longer possible to see that God's "Eternity" is of different kind than the "fullness of times", given as gift to the creatures.

[Für die Äonen der Äonen,] diese wörtliche Übernahme aus dem Griechischen entspricht dem lateinischen "in saecula saeculorum" [in die Zeitalter der Zeitalter]. Es ist damit nicht die "Ewigkeit" (aidiothV, aeternitas) als unbegrenzte, unvergängliche Zeit gemeint, die nur dem dreieinigen Gott Selbst zu kommt, sondern die Summe aller begrenzten, vergänglichen Zeiträume. Die Übersetzung von "Ewigkeit zu Ewigkeit" oder " in alle Ewigkeit" ist daher mindestens mißverständlich. Theologisch schwerwiegender jedoch ist, daß durch diesen Gebrauch von "Ewigkeit" nicht mehr deutlich zu werden vermag, daß Gottes "Ewigkeit" von anderer Art ist, als die "Fülle der Zeiten", die den Geschöpfen geschenkt ist.

[Tony N]

Howdy folks, need a wee bit of insight.  I understand what the phrase "ages of the ages" means and that it does not mean for ever and ever as most Englsih translates state.  However, I'm slightly confuse when this phrase is used in other places, particularly dealing with Christ's glory (Galatians 1:5 "to whom be the glory for the ages of the ages" and Phil 4:20 " to God the Father be the glory to the ages of the ages, amen.")  What are these passages saying about God's glory?

It is just saying that during the next two ages to come, Christ and God are going to be getting glory for what is transpiring in these next two most wonderful of ages which will eclipse all former ages. They will both get increddible glory during the next two ages. Humans will glorify them for all they do.

[Beloved Servant]

People of that day will be expected to normally enter into the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, that is, to enter into immortality rather than die.  The reign of the saints in all the earth will be more like what Jesus walked in:  healing, liberating, enlightening, not bossing everybody and everything else around, just walking free in the glory of God and liberating the rest of creation from the bondage to sin and death. 

:cloud9: AMEN, and we are SO close to that becoming our reality, it's almost scary. Blessings.....

Come Lord Jesus!
The veil is so thin you can read through it!

[Beloved Servant]

People of that day will be expected to normally enter into the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, that is, to enter into immortality rather than die.  The reign of the saints in all the earth will be more like what Jesus walked in:  healing, liberating, enlightening, not bossing everybody and everything else around, just walking free in the glory of God and liberating the rest of creation from the bondage to sin and death. 

:cloud9: AMEN, and we are SO close to that becoming our reality, it's almost scary. Blessings.....

Ya'know Card, I thought of the word "scary" too but didn't want to use the word.
And I know exactly what you mean; how you feel!

[jesushandsarekindhands]

Howdy folks, need a wee bit of insight.  I understand what the phrase "ages of the ages" means and that it does not mean for ever and ever as most Englsih translates state.  However, I'm slightly confuse when this phrase is used in other places, particularly dealing with Christ's glory (Galatians 1:5 "to whom be the glory for the ages of the ages" and Phil 4:20 " to God the Father be the glory to the ages of the ages, amen.")  What are these passages saying about God's glory?

It is just saying that during the next two ages to come, Christ and God are going to be getting glory for what is transpiring in these next two most wonderful of ages which will eclipse all former ages. They will both get increddible glory during the next two ages. Humans will glorify them for all they do.

Are these ages coming soon Tony?  In our lifetime?

[martincisneros]

The ages of ages is the extent of our domain. It's the Biblical phrase for light-years by light-years by light-years by however many more dimensions there are in all of the universes. Time travel is included, but that's a bit deeper of a study than is within the intended spectrum of these boards with how many Scriptures are involved. There is no simplified form of that study. It covers much of the Bible & it's a subject that's very intolerant of a single missing Scripture. But basically, it's ages of ages in every direction; every time line involved, every form of matter & being, all of their times & seasons as the Word comes to harvest in our lives as we progressively sow more & more of it in our hearts & water it & give it light with our thanksgiving & preaching, etc. 

This year, for me personally, has been a summing up of all of my times & seasons past, present, & future with the deeper level of work that the Written Word's been doing in my life, & even a correcting of seasons past & future within me. The Song of Solomon is an actual Apocalyptic work in the Bible that we're each supposed to experience & climax our times & seasons with & on course & in line with. Someone told me sometime back that it's what Jewish males would begin studying after they passed 30yrs of age, which explains too much to me about the ministry of Jesus. He got the revelation of His latter days in the earth from His daily meditations in that book & we're supposed to as well.

[Tony N]

Howdy folks, need a wee bit of insight.  I understand what the phrase "ages of the ages" means and that it does not mean for ever and ever as most Englsih translates state.  However, I'm slightly confuse when this phrase is used in other places, particularly dealing with Christ's glory (Galatians 1:5 "to whom be the glory for the ages of the ages" and Phil 4:20 " to God the Father be the glory to the ages of the ages, amen.")  What are these passages saying about God's glory?

It is just saying that during the next two ages to come, Christ and God are going to be getting glory for what is transpiring in these next two most wonderful of ages which will eclipse all former ages. They will both get increddible glory during the next two ages. Humans will glorify them for all they do.

Are these ages coming soon Tony?  In our lifetime?

I don't know. It is impossible for anyone to know. I think what will get the ball rolling for the next age/eon to come will be the taking out of the believers of the nations:

Rom 11:25-26  For I am not willing for you to be ignorant of this secret, brethren, lest you may be passing for prudent among yourselves, that callousness, in part, on Israel has come, until the complement of the nations may be entering."  (26)  And thus all Israel shall be saved, according as it is written, Arriving out of Zion shall be the Rescuer. He will be turning away irreverence from Jacob."

When the Rescuer arrives out of Zion, this should mark the beginning of the next age/eon for it begins His 1000 year reign.

Once the "complement of the nations may be entering" then I believe (and I could be right about this) that we (believers of the nations) will meet the Lord in the air.

[Jerm]

Awesome food for thought, thanks for the posts guys.  Something I've been thinking about is since that last two ages (the ages of the ages) mark the end of time, could this be saying that God's glory will go on and on until the end of time? This is not to say that His glory ends at the end of time (God being the God of Israel does not mean that He is not the God of all the earth) only that God's glory will be known for all of history.  What do y'all think?

[eaglesway]

Yea, exactly. God's glory was and is and will be manifest in relationship to these two ages and all He is doing and completing in Christ during them.
His glory is already absolute in eternity, which is other than time and outside of time and swallowing up time  (temporal reality). Therefore, rather than seeing His glory as "going on" into eternity "after" the ages, we realize that the veils between time and eternity are being torn through an adminstration suitable to the "fulness of times"(eph 1) until there will be no veils and no time, and God will be all in all in eternity......

"Glory!"

In a way, I see glory as the essence of eternity spilling into time, transforming that which is temporal into that which is eternal."Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, in earth as it is in heaven" (2 Cor 3:15-18)

1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen, spilling over, like our cups runneth over....... :thumbsup: Good post.....blessings......

[reFORMer]

"The ages of the ages" refers to the close or consumation of God's purpose in causing successive ages to occur, each of increasingly greater glory.  He is revealing Himself in stages.  That He is bringing forth a divine consort, a bride like Him and in intimacy with Him is still very much a hidden thing.  This period of the ages is primarily to what degree we have light of prophetic revelation.  Certain things will continue beyond the ages.  Because God is significantly upgrading us into immortal beings with His image and likeness we can expect ever inceasing glory as we continue on beyond the fufillment of God's Plan for the Ages.  Whether, as I suppose, we continue as His temple, dispersing through intergalatic space to reign with Him in all worlds of this space-time continuum for which He has a greater purpose than yet entered, or, if we might sooner transcend into glories unknown, I believe even beyond this universe's finite existence we will always "increase with the increase of God." (Colossians 2:19)  When He describes this whole universe as but "the whispers of His ways" and it is so glorious that we may be operating here for billions of years to come, yet there is an end of it, I believe with this cosmos He's just getting set up for the far greater glory that will be.

[DeAndra]

Amen I have to go back and read Colossians 2 again