Where in the bible is the first type and shadow of Jesus' atonement?

[lee100]

everyone,

C'mon guys. Surprise me. I still hold to less than a handful of people will get this. :bgdance:

[martincisneros]

To avoid going over your head again, I'll stop from going further back than when Woman came from the side of Adam while Adam was asleep.  But technically the days of Creation are a more precise answer, if you don't understand the Hebrew language enough to spot it in the choice in letters in Genesis 1:1.  Day one of Creation goes back to the days after Noah's Flood, since waters over the face of the deep precede that, so that the Genesis account foretells the ending of that world the same as the beginning of the world thru Jesus Christ later. Day 2 is the coming of Moses or Jesus, Day 3 the coming of Samuel and all of the prophets or of your religion (i.e. ministry of condemnation), Day 4 the coming of Christ within as the hope of glory, the ministry of righteousness, etc.  Getting a bit techy on you again, so I'll say with the birth of Woman from the side of Adam, hoping you'll research earlier stuff.

[lee100]

martin,

So, your final answer is "Getting a bit techy on you again, so I'll say with the birth of Woman from the side of Adam, hoping you'll research earlier stuff".

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Good point, Martin. Technically, even the first letters of Gen. 1.........Blessings.....

[martincisneros]

:cloud9: Good point, Martin. Technically, even the first letters of Gen. 1.........Blessings.....

EXACTLY :Sparkletooth:

...if you don't understand the Hebrew language enough to spot it in the choice in letters in Genesis 1:1.

[sparrow]

Sorry this is totally a thread hijack.  :mblush:

how many of these threads are there going to be?
And is this some sort of test?
If so... what are you hoping to prove?

I don't know the answers you are looking for to your questions and they don't really concern me to be quite honest. I'm not about quizzes and final exams on the bible. I'm more about what God has whispered into my ear about His love. His magnificent, inexhaustible love for all. The love that He has put into MY heart for all. The way that HE has expanded MY heart to include ALL. Do you love your "enemies"? I do. And the only way that is even possible is HIS work on your heart. Those who do not grasp the concept of ultimate reconciliation of ALL mankind, God is still working on expanding their heart. That's all. I see those folks as folks just like me, only they have a few more construction signs strewn about at the entrance to their heart. Only instead of "Men at Work" it's "God at Work". All will be reconciled and ALL will finally come to the knowledge of truth.

See... even some of us lowly, simpleton, non-bible scholar types who can't answer your "bible knowledge" questions can understand beautiful truths from God. Funny, how He works like that. He is no respector of persons. He doesn't see labels. He sees the heart.


"the foolish things..."

yup. Count me as one of those foolish things  :tease: ..
I do not take offense.

I appreciate the knowledge of my fellow brothers and sisters here at tentmaker.
I am just being honest, I do not share a lot of their knowledge.
I am only a "little one".
And I'm ok with that.

Peace.

:icon_flower: 

[Molly]

Atonement

1. Amends or reparation made for an injury or wrong; expiation.
2.
a. Reconciliation or an instance of reconciliation between God and humans.
b. Atonement Christianity The reconciliation of God and humans brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus.
3. Reconciliation


...and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

--Gen 3:6

[lee100]

Sparrow,

I appreciate your honesty. Unlike some on this forum.. you don't attempt to humanize scripture if you don't know the meaning. Kudos for that. Really. No offense, but you are a perfect example of most people on this forum who "praise" a God than don't know. If you don't know the word of God..you don't know God. Yet, you claim UR to be true and you really don't have a grasp of God's word. Just the UR part you have revelation of, right?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Or perhaps, unlike "Martha", Sparrow has received the 'good part'. Blessings....

[Paul Hazelwood]

If you don't know the word of God..you don't know God.

When it comes to perspective Lee you would be one of the Tares.   Claiming your not proves nothing because that's exactly what a deceiver or one who is deceived would say.

Really what proves you are not?   

The reverse is actually more true in what people often see of the doctrine you teach.  You perhaps could be the most deluded, you believe your not damned forever by a God who you show can choose to damn anyone he wants and not only can , He DOES.

If your doctrine is the TRUE word of God, then you would have to be content understanding the greatness of your life as a tare.  I mean if the great sovereign God chose you to eternal damnation,  then who are you to deny it.  Who are you to say it is not so?   Who are you to not see the righteousness of it?   

That is how we can know your doctrine is false without knowing what every single scripture in the bible means as you play your silly games. 

You could never possibly think that God chose YOU for damnation, even though there is absolutely nothing in your teachings that will prevent it.  Only the rhetoric of your delusion.

[sparrow]

  If you don't know the word of God..you don't know God. Yet, you claim UR to be true and you really don't have a grasp of God's word. Just the UR part you have revelation of, right?

Jesus IS the word.

You can know the bible forwards, backwards, sideways, upside down and inside out but if you don't know JESUS.... all that knowledge is worth nothing.

I never said I don't know the word of God. I said I am not a great "bible" scholar. and it's true.
I don't pretend to know all the mysteries of the bible.

peace.
Again... your words do not offend me.

I'm secure in His love for me.
and I'm secure in His love for you.
And His love for all of us.

:HeartThrob:

Perhaps, that is the problem friend? You can read words.... but has He interpreted them for you? Have you let His spirit breathe life into them? You may want to ponder that.

[Molly]

14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

--Jude 1





Romans 5:14
.... Adam ...... who is the figure of him that was to come.





"the figure"

G5179
τύπος
tupos
too'-pos
From G5180; a die (as struck), that is, (by implication) a stamp or scar; by analogy a shape, that is, a statue, (figuratively) style or resemblance; specifically a sampler ("type"), that is, a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning): - en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.

[lee100]

everyone,

The answer is Gen 3:21. God sacrificed a innocent lamb and clothed garments of skin on Adam and Eve with the blood rolling down their bodies.. a perfect picture of the pure, spotless lamb of God( Jesus) who would do this at Calvary. Glory to God forever.

[martincisneros]

Nowhere in the Bible from cover to cover does it say that God sacrificed a lamb.

[Cardinal]

everyone,

The answer is Gen 3:21. God sacrificed a innocent lamb and clothed garments of skin on Adam and Eve with the blood rolling down their bodies.. a perfect picture of the pure, spotless lamb of God( Jesus) who would do this at Calvary. Glory to God forever.

:cloud9: Course you know the Lamb was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world, so Jesus in the flesh was only walking out what He had already done. Blessings....

[lee100]

Martin,

Your right. It says animal. Jesus was the spotless lamb of God. If I know my God like I think I do. I would like to think He used a lamb for this beautiful type and shadow of things to come at Calvary!!! Praise God! Thank you Jesus.

[martincisneros]

Martin,

Your right. It says animal. Jesus was the spotless lamb of God. If I know my God like I think I do. I would like to think He used a lamb for this beautiful type and shadow of things to come at Calvary!!! Praise God! Thank you Jesus.

Doesn't say God ever clothed Adam with animal either!

[Molly]

Martin,

Your right. It says animal. Jesus was the spotless lamb of God. If I know my God like I think I do. I would like to think He used a lamb for this beautiful type and shadow of things to come at Calvary!!! Praise God! Thank you Jesus.

I actually like that.  I've long wondered about those coats of skins.

It's a type of protection, a covering, for them to wear when they leave the garden.

[Beloved Servant]

It's human skin and we're still wearing it.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: That's the way I see it.........Blessings......

[martincisneros]

Snake skin, actually 'cause they were dead and their bodies were little more than poles to hang the serpent on without eonian life.  When God cursed the serpent, obviously He shrunk him down to size if he lost his legs over it, or his stand on the Word of Life that God had spoken in chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis.  Wasn't meant as an atonement, but a prophecy of the Cross.  Abel reaped what he sowed with killing.  The Satanic nature that he'd inherited revealed itself, and his brother was like "and you're better than me, how?" 

Cain is the elder brother according to Genesis 4:1 and the spirit Jesus addressed in the Prodigal Son story in Luke 15.  I'm not disputing that they could have been twins per Genesis 4:2 being immediately after, but Cain was firstborn and the elder was serving the younger when the younger went into the pig pen.  Cain was feeding his brother and what Abel killed in terms of animals when Abel took on the spirit of what was to later be Nimrod and Esau that Abel sowed for by his actions.  Abel killed in his heart the divine compassions in himself towards the Creation in his attempts at atoning for himself rather than letting God be his atonement.

I know it says that Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice in Hebrews 11, but that was his own blood rather than the animal or Cain having offered his own.  It never speaks of the blood of Cain crying for vengeance on all that had cast them out of the Garden and had made their lives hard.  Cain's blood never spoke, which means his fear drove the Word of God from his spirit rather than it having become his meditation until it was the production of his blood in his life and in his death. 

Cain kept waiting on God to speak to him again, like all of us do, but what God had said previously had never been taken to heart until he gained a revelation of God's mercy.  He never got that revelation of God's mercy!  When the proceeding Word of God doesn't eventually become to you a revelation of God's mercy in your circumstances, then you ultimately become Cain the destroyer of his younger brother, the one for whom God's Word never became their life's blood that though dead yet speaks. 

Isn't the letter of the Word what's dead and yet speaks?  Isn't the letter of the Word what we put on in our water baptism, so that the life of the risen Christ is revealed in our mortal members?  His previous proceeding Words must become the life and breath of your flesh and spirit, otherwise His future proceeding Words may bring deliverance to your flesh, but they won't be the training of your spirit that becomes life to the generations yet unborn because of your own blood that speaks.  If your blood doesn't ultimately speak of His mercy thru the revelation of His proceeding Word, [including but not limited to -- but including His Written Word,] then you'll abort your future generations.

Every Word from God, including His Written Word, must become flesh and blood IN YOU.  And God sent Adam and Eve, out of the Garden with an object lesson with covering them with their own sin, i.e. making them the serpent on the pole with that snake skin.  When Adam called her "Eve," it was actually a sarcasm about her being the mother of the dead rather than the living, since with that snake skin on he was still blaming his wife and God for what happened rather than taking responsibility and the Cup of what God had spoken to them that their seed was coming that would turn back the clock and restore Eden in this world.  He was crying "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" but he wasn't accepting the responsibility for the sin of the world, if that makes any sense.

[Bethany]

Gen 1:3: I am sure the statement "Let there be light" created a type of shadow...
:laughing7:

[Beloved Servant]

Gen 1:3: I am sure the statement "Let there be light" created a type of shadow...
:laughing7:

That's where I was led, thanks Bethany.
But after reading what Card said, well, that settles it for me.

[WhiteWings]

Sparrow,

I appreciate your honesty. Unlike some on this forum.. you don't attempt to humanize scripture if you don't know the meaning.

If you only would take Sparrow as an example Lee100.
Your brainfarts have been debunked over and over; but still think it has any value if you do or don't agree with any answer given.
Admit it. All your "scriptual bombs"exploded in your face. Instead of actually replying to the answers you drop more bombs. Once you ran out of cut and paste bombs you start your 'riddles'.
If anyone happens to know the answer you are on safe ground. But if you can't find agreement then you run away and just dump another question.
I really like comedians. But it's sad if comedians think they are scholars.

Peace o great veiled one!

[lee100]

ww,

No one has debunked anything. especially you or claypot. I don't respond to responses that lead to rabbit trails.