Will Unbelievers want to repent and believe after they die?

Started by ChosenofGod37, August 18, 2009, 03:29:44 AM

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ChosenofGod37

Hey Everyone,

What about those who do not believe? Wouldn't they repent and believe if they were given a second chance? The answer is no, they would not because their hearts are not changed simply because they die. Their hearts and minds "are at enmity" against God and won't accept Him even when they see Him face to face. This is evidenced clearly in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. If ever someone should have repented when given a second chance to see clearly the truth, it was the rich man. But although he was in torment in hell, he only asked that Abraham send Lazarus back to earth to warn his brothers so they didn't have to suffer the same fate. There was no repentance in his heart, only regret for where he found himself. Abraham's answer says it all: "And he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded, even though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:31). Here we see that the witness of the Scriptures is sufficient for salvation for those who believe it, and no other revelation will bring about salvation to those who do not. No second, third or fourth chances would be enough to turn the heart of stone into a heart of flesh.   :sigh: :thumbdown: :mshock:


I know, I cut and pasted from another thread, but this is such good teaching I had to make a thread out of it. God bless.

Cardinal

 :cloud9: It would be if it wasn't for the fact that the 'rich man' was speaking of the Pharisees..........Blessings.....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

jabcat

Mod Note;

37, please restrict your comments to threads already in existance.  There are plenty existant and new ones you've started in the past 24 hours in which to discuss your views.  Spamming is not tolerated, and even if one did have a good grasp of scripture, they would be discouraged from doing dominating the boards.

On a personal level, I'll suggest you read and pray more for understanding and enlightenment/revelation from the Father rather than talking so much.

The top section of the post is 'official'.  If you don't respect my request I will give you a week or two "break" from the boards to think about your attitudes and motives.  (Titus 3:10)

Thank you.
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ChosenofGod37


jabcat

The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2

Beloved Servant

I am compelled to say that given the humble nature of Christ I have not seen it in you.
Read own own posts.
Where is the love of the Lord Jesus Christ that says let the children come to me?

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WhiteWings

Quote from: ChosenofGod37 on August 18, 2009, 03:29:44 AM
Hey Everyone,

What about those who do not believe? Wouldn't they repent and believe if they were given a second chance?

I don't agree.
Some never believed in God because they didn't see Him. When they see Him they know instead of believe.
Some believed but had the wrong religion. When they see the true God they know

QuoteThe answer is no, they would not because their hearts are not changed simply because they die.
Part of the answer is given above.
If God can make, say, 20% of His creation believe in their short lives; why you assume God can't convert the remaining 80% in the infinitly long time after death/resurrection?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

333

QuoteSome never believed in God because they didn't see Him. When they see Him they know instead of believe.
Some believed but had the wrong religion. When they see the true God they know

Amen! and that is the difference. Believeing or knowing. 

Scriptures says that "all" will come before the Lord. Believers and non believers. It also says that "all will say Jesus Christ is Lord". It also says that no one can say "Jesus Christ is Lord" without the Holy Spirit. 

Even when an unbeliever stands face to face with Jesus.  They will no longer be an unbeliever.  They will see that He is real. He lives. All their unbelief will be gone. They will know that He is real. They will KNOW.  They may suffer loss.  They may have to go through further growth even on the other side of the grave but they will "know"!


Cardinal

"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

preistsplace

I have a question for you COG...however if you are on vacation Lee can feel free to answer. Which Adam was more powerful, The first or second?
This is a very valid question because your partialist veiwpoint places the first Adam as more powerful than the Second (Christ).

lee100

priest,

i believe Adam represented the human race. the first adam was a mere man. the second adam was God himself in flesh, Jesus. the second adam came to undo what the first adam did, transfer sin and death to all mankind.

sparrow

Quote from: lee100 on August 20, 2009, 05:33:55 AM
priest,

i believe Adam represented the human race. the first adam was a mere man. the second adam was God himself in flesh, Jesus. the second adam came to undo what the first adam did, transfer sin and death to all mankind.

So how would you answer the question of "which Adam was more powerful?"


lee100

sparrow,

of course the second is more powerful than the first. the blood of God, is there anything more powerful? but in order to receive what Jesus undid you have to repent and believe in His sacrifice for the payment for your sins.

preistsplace

still leave the first one more powerful. Did we choose to be born in sin?

WhiteWings

Quote from: lee100 on August 20, 2009, 05:45:25 AM
sparrow,

of course the second is more powerful than the first. the blood of God, is there anything more powerful? but in order to receive what Jesus undid you have to repent and believe in His sacrifice for the payment for your sins.

So the 1st Adam plunged 99.9% of humanity into darkness. (
Then the 2nd Adam came and manages only to get 5% back into the light.
Doesn't sound like a big victory for the 2nd Adam.
Especially when you consider the 2nd Adam is immensly more powerful than the 1st Adam.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...