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How was Paul convinced that LOVE swallowed up Wrath?

Started by Redlettervoice, August 02, 2009, 04:29:23 PM

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Redlettervoice

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There isn't enough room to write all my thoughts that are beginning
to flood my mind, putting scripture with scripture, on this subject.
My thanks to Sparrow for ONE line that she spoke most certainly
by the Spirit.  And it was:

Sparrow quote:
But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.


Excellent, Sparrow!!!!! Yet I "show" you a more excellent WAY!


Truly, is "this" not what Jesus Christ does for us, did for us, is this not
what the ever flowing blood of Christ, in the form of LIFE/LOVE does?

That we may "serve" the Living God without fear?

Let us consider Hebrews saying exactly that
in Hebrews 9 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot F28 to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

How
many times does He say "Fear thou not." Is He trying to convince us
of His LOVE?

Did He not "destroy" those ordinance that were
......"against us" ..
at the Cross, the
Punishment, was it not upon HIM, and was it not there "driven out?"


Does not Deutronomy say: "And I will "drive" them out, who "is" them?"

FEAR mongers? named "ites" of some kind? Was not PERFECT LOVE
always driving "them" out?

Now, I see that there are TWO kinds of "fear" .........one to be driven out
which is not godly fear
, and godly fear will remain.

The fear that He says
for us NOT to have will be driven out in the shaking, notice closely these
scriptures.

Hebrews 12 will leave us in the end with "godly fear" .......that we may serve the living God! Selah!

Consider these scriptures from Hebrews 12 .....beginning with verse 18:
Talking here in Hebrews 12 concerning "two" mounts.......one where the
people feared exceedingly .......so that they could not even "touch" the
mount........

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)


22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written
F46 in heaven
, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,

F47 and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, F48 as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29 For our God is a consuming fire.


So we can see in that chapter, that there is a "fear of God" even as
Sparrow said, which is the FEAR of PUNISHMENT, but remember that
the LAW is to bring us "to" Christ, and we who have come to HIM, have
come to MOUNT ZION, .......where "GOD" is the judge, and His FEAR
is GODLY FEAR, with "reverence" .......we are convinced of it by and
thru HIS LOVE, ........
So we see that the law is HOLY because it brings us to "Christ." To
MOUNT Zion. To the JUDGE of all.


Now, when Jesus was crucified, they "watched" His Words, trying to
"catch" HIM, why?
Right before His Crucifixion, even, the POWER of the RULERS and their
"authority" was against HIS LOVE He was showing!!!

The Power and Authority of the "fear of punishment" .......but Jesus was
"removing" that for us, and did so with the laying down of HIS LIFE
and His LOVE which is transferred to us...........by His writing upon us
His New Covenant.  Thank you Lord.


In the mind of man, there is a spirit that is "against" God....man is
born into this ........something inside him WARS against the Spirit
and the Spirit wars against that mind.........til the Love of God
has convinced him against the concepts of that "carnal mind."
First, he is convinced of it for "himself" ........but its benefits
are not all known, til he is convinced of it for "others" as well
and spoken LOVE to others.   It is the New Covenant He writes
upon our
heart ..........

There is NO FEAR in Love..........and NO Law against it.

This is my commandment that ye LOVE one another.




aspiring son

Very post, Redletter.  :thumbsup: Thanx for posting.

Grace and peace,

brandon