How the LAW brings us to the consciousness of HIM

[Redlettervoice]

See if I can add to the mix here re the LAW.

1st Cor. 15 tells us that at the last trump we are gonna
hear that "the LAW" is the "strength" of sin.

So, there's something about the LAW that has been misunderstood
and has been "imposed" on us til the reformation.

Not sure where that is, but you are a Bible student, so you know
I am stating what's in the Bible.

What "is" it that has been "misunderstood" that causes so much
misunderstanding.

It is "what" the LAW is for. The LAW is to "bring us to Christ."
The LAW makes the "whole world guilty" before God.
When .....when....."properly used." God's intention for it.
It is not a condeming tool, and there's nothing wrong with the
LAW, Paul said it was HOLY. WHY did Paul say it was HOLY?
Because of where it had "brought" him. Where had it brought
him? To Christ. The LAW is NOT for RIGHTEOUSNESS .....IT IS
DESIGNED TO SLAY THE FLESH. Did not Paul say "that which
was ordained for LIFE, I found to be death." "Wherefore the LAW
is HOLY.
It was all in realizing the PURPOSE.

It is written: "I will break your covenant with "death."
If we look at "death" we will not just see "casket" death. But
the CARNAL MIND intrepreting things and continuing to "deceive"
mankind as Eve was deceived. . but when she is fully washed
after being taken care of in this wilderness....she will be reunited
with the Son she brought forth and caught up as well as He is.
And they shall be ONE and ONE with HIM as well. This is my
understanding from seeking God.

The Carnal Mind is the last "enemy" to be destroyed.

In that mindset, will be all our religious error. God destroys error
with Truth. Blinding and Opening Eyes. His LOVE in action.

Is it not written that "I will destroy your "covenant" with death.
He did not say He would destroy the LIFE part of it, He said
I will destroy your "covenant" with "death."

Consider this: Psa. 50 "Call my people together, those that have
made a "covenant" with me by "sacrifice." "I will not reprove you
for this, but that is NOT what I want." Paraphrasing. Man misunderstood
and counted his own righteousness by the keeping of the law. Gave
"himself" credit when all the GLORY belongs to God. So what is it
that God wants? He wants the GLORY! He wants our PRAISE.
and call upon HIM in the day of trouble, and He will deliver us.
He is perfecting our "consciousness" so that everything we do
is "as unto the Lord."

Now in the New Testament, this is plain. Christ is the "end" of the LAW
for what? For righteousness. Our righteousness is "given" to us. Christ is
a "gift."  Always has been, always will be.  Give HIM the glory. All of it.
Paul said "when I was in my mother's womb" ......what is the "womb"
God brought him forth to recognize things that some had not yet seen.
Did he suffer for it? Of course, but his relationship with God was greater
than it was in the "womb." And Paul was called of God to "make ALL men
see." The "mystery" was "first' given to him. . . to make "ALL" men
see or understand......and it had been "kept SECRET" from the foundation
of the world.

The LAW endured, it was just fulfilled by "laying down life, and picking
it up again ........LOVE in action." Jesus said "I have POWER to lay
it down, and I have power to pick it up!" While He was here on earth,
He was a demonstration of man's ability to return to God. Not to
false thinking. Our offerings in Malichi, are not directed to God when
our "consciousness" needs to make them "acceptable.". God must be on both ends, the giving AND the receiving. When our consciousness is defiled, either direction, giving
OR receiving, so He is perfecting our "consciousness." because They are UNacceptable by HIM. So He sends the
messenger to make us understand with fires under our earth so to
speak. ha Glorifiy the Lord in the fires because all that changes is
the offerings become "acceptable." Same offering, but the "consciousness"
gives HIM Glory!

Do a study in Hebrews on "consciousness."

See Him rule the "carnal mind" til the whole is leavened

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen!  :thumbsup: Can you explain more on what you mean by the consciousness being defiled either way, both the giving and receiving must be from God? I think I know what you're saying here, but want to make sure I didn't miss something. Blessings...

[Livelystone]

Why would Eve in us survive when Adam in us needs to die?

Even if Adam in us was to die by himself Christ cannot ever marry Eve...... the wife for the High Priest must be a virgin and not just appear as one (chaste virgin)

Can Adam possibly die without Eve dying? I do not think so as Eve was from Adam and Adam was the source of life for Eve.

Both Eve and Adam in us need to die so that we will through Christ alone. Although many will seek this death they will  not be able to find it

This is the death that Peter died that glorified God.....not some upside down hanging on a cross

Blessings

Doug

[Redlettervoice]

Why would Eve in us survive when Adam in us needs to die?
Hey Doug, how are you?  Some of this stuff gets
"hairy" doesn't it? ha  But we are "working out our own
salvation" and what I see might not exactly fit what you see
and vise versa.  But we are watching it "unfold" so naturally
it will be different today that what we saw yesterday.

There is nothing new under the sun I reckon, the things are
are "have been." I see it all like a revolving door, when you
consider that the promises were not able to be "disannulled"
and the LAW "is" disanulled."  Actually, the law was added.

Back to Adam and Eve.  Eve was "IN" Adam before she was
taken out? Right?  So she was not able to be "deceived."
Til she "disobeyed" God.  Nevertheless, the promise was given
to Abraham......that was unable to be "disanulled."

Maybe you think this has nothing to do with it, but just sharing
some of my thoughts of recent days.  I never noticed that little
truth so deeply until this very week.  So there may be others
in this "ever unfolding" that I will figure out when God gives it.

What would you say to this: That "Adam" might represent the
Word of the ROD, to "rule" the nations, like the "manchild" who
was caught up; but Eve was like the "woman" who was still
getting noursishment til she was back where she was before
she was ever taken OUT of Adam."  That'd be Word and Spirit
back together, wouldn't it?   Not setting any of this up as
concrete, not "teaching" it, just thinking and working our my
own salvation, ok? Shall I come to you with a ROD or with??? etc.



Even if Adam in us was to die by himself Christ cannot ever marry Eve...... the wife for the High Priest must be a virgin and not just appear as one (chaste virgin)
Doug, I may be in my working out of my own salvation
speaking some things that are NOT "virginal" but I know that
what HE does in us is altogether "virginal" and is that which shall
endure.  Except the Lord build......etc. So Christ washes and
washes and washes us with the Word, so that He may present us
a chaste virgin.

Can Adam possibly die without Eve dying? I do not think so as Eve was from Adam and Adam was the source of life for Eve.

Both Eve and Adam in us need to die so that we will through Christ alone. Although many will seek this death they will  not be able to find it

This is the death that Peter died that glorified God.....not some upside down hanging on a cross

I agree.  Peter was told this by Jesus, and the end
of Peter was not "death" but LIFE! I think he even lived the rest
of his life in this life having escaped the pollutions of "this"
world.  He was rewarded for his suffering.  Amen? Amen.

Blessings

Doug

Blessings here too, as much as lieth in me,
I am trying to explain what I understand at this point.



.

And Card, what I spoke there concerning giving and receiving
is understood thru Achan and thru even Elisha.  Just part
of examining ourselves and making sure we do not try
to make a "covenant" with God on these things.  Because
the "promise" is not made to us based on a "covenant" between
US and God, but it is was given to Abraham and sworn
to by God ALONE.....An everlasting covenant.  The "law" was
added .....and looked like a "great horror" ...It is, isn't it? ha

[Livelystone]

Hi Red

Always good to hear from you

Regarding Eve when she had the lust for the wrong fruit I would suppose by doing so that she had already sinned so yes in that light she was not deceived until after she had already sinned

However after that sin she carried the serpent seed as did Adam....... not that they had sex with the serpent but because they had become one with him through compliance. As the spirit and soul of man they became the kingdoms of the earth given to Satan that he offered to Jesus if He would worship him.

Eve was not the woman whose seed would be at enmity with Satan...... after all she was already in agreement with him.

THAT woman with the good seed is the one Adam should have become one with was from God when in the beginning He made Adam both male (spirit) and female (soul)....... she does not get the boot from the garden and is the reserved undefiled virgin that is our inheritance (1 Pet 1:4)that comes down from heaven adorned to be the wife for those who will become manifested sons (Re. 21 1-3). We must remember what Jesus said that nothing is getting to heaven that does not come down from heaven and Adam and Eve are both of the earth with the serpent seed (law of sin that lives in their flesh) that will forever keep them out. It can be overcome while in us but nevertheless it remains.

We see Adam as the unclean spirit getting the boot from the heart and mind (garden) who finds Eve as the seven wicked friends as she wanders about the dry places (dust, flesh) and then together they return unto the heart of the Christian and that individual is then worse off than before. (Matt 12 Luke 11)

We need to quit trying to save Adam and Eve and instead let them die so we can be resurrected with Christ and just live by the Holy Spirit that if we do will will apprehend the mind of Christ (undefiled inheritance) as that seed that is Christ in us continues to grow being fed food (knowledge) from above rather than earthly dung.

Then we will have in us the one man who will be taken (accepted) and the woman who will be accepted......... together they may produce the man child caught up to heaven without violating any of God's laws.

BTW lately I am thinking about who is the harlot in Jericho (enemy stronghold in the mind) whose life is spared............. like to hear your your thoughts on that.

Blessings and much love in Christ Jesus

Doug

PS. If I drop out of the conversation I am unfortunately gone out of pocket for a bit as I have no choice in the matter and am not just not responding