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"individual Æons"

Started by sven, March 20, 2009, 09:23:26 PM

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This page made me to think: http://www.growthingod.org.uk/aeonrelm.htm

obviously both the translation of ΑΙΩΝ either with age or eternity makes no sense at some occasions, so something more philosophical came in my mind. Might there be individual Æons?

Deuteronomy 15:17 - Septuagint

ΚΑΙ ΛΗΜΨΗ ΤΟ ΟΠΗΤΙΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΤΡΥΠΗΣΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΩΤΙΟΝ ΑΥΤΟΥ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΗΝ ΘΥΡΑΝ
ΚΑΙ ΕΣΤΑΙ ΣΟΙ ΟΙΚΕΤΗΣ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΙΩΝΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΙΔΙΣΚΗΝ ΣΟΥ ΠΟΙΗΣΕΙΣ ΩΣΑΥΤΩΣ

then thou shalt take an awl, and bore his ear through to the door,
and he shall be thy servant for ever (eis ton aiôna); and in like manner shalt thou do to thy maid-servant.


A slave can't serve his master neither for an age (with age I mean something like a century or millennium) nor in eternity, rather for a lifetime, my Thora commentary says, the Rabbis interpreted forever (le'olam) as until the Jubilee year, so a "slaves Æon" might be 50 or 7 years?

Psalm 73:12 - Septuagint

ΙΔΟΥ ΟΥΤΟΙ ΑΜΑΡΤΩΛΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΕΥΘΗΝΟΥΝΤΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΙΩΝΑ ΚΑΤΕΣΧΟΝ ΠΛΟΥΤΟΥ

Behold, these are the sinners, and they that prosper always (eis ton aiôna): they have possessed wealth.

The sinners neither prosper for an age nor in eternity, the Æon of the sinners might differ from a slaves Æon.

John 6:58

ΟΥΤΟΣ ΕΣΤΙΝ Ο ΑΡΤΟΣ Ο ΕΚ ΤΟΥ ΟΥΡΑΝΟΥ ΚΑΤΑΒΑΣ ΟΥ ΚΑΘΩΣ ΕΦΑΓΟΝ ΟΙ ΠΑΤΕΡΕΣ ΥΜΩΝ ΤΟ ΜΑΝΝΑ ΚΑΙ ΑΠΕΘΑΝΟΝ Ο ΤΡΩΓΩΝ ΤΟΥΤΟΝ ΤΟΝ ΑΡΤΟΝ ΖΗΣΕΤΑΙ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΙΩΝΑ

this is the bread that came down out of the heaven; not as your fathers did eat the manna, and died; he who is eating this bread shall live - to the age.

I'm not sure if here is really meant only for an age, the Æon of the righteous might be a very long Æon or indeed an everlasting Æon.

Jude 13

ΚΥΜΑΤΑ ΑΓΡΙΑ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣ ΕΠΑΦΡΙΖΟΝΤΑ ΤΑΣ ΕΑΥΤΩΝ ΑΙΣΧΥΝΑΣ ΑΣΤΕΡΕΣ ΠΛΑΝΗΤΑΙ ΟΙΣ Ο ΖΟΦΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΣΚΟΤΟΥΣ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΙΩΝΑ ΤΕΤΗΡΗΤΑΙ

wild waves of a sea, foaming out their own shames; stars going astray, to whom the gloom of the darkness to the age hath been kept.

Whatever is meant with darkness here - either death or conscious afterlife;
as the bible speaks of individual judgment, I think not all people will stay in this darkness for the same duration of time if here a conscious state of judgment is meant, the Æons of them might individually differ in duration.

Do you get what I mean? What do you think about?

Cardinal

 :cloud9: I see what you're saying, I think. I can see that.

As a side note: it was the Amalekites, if remember right, who were slaves and had their ears pierced as a condition of slavery. That's where the tradition of ear piercing comes from; slavery. :mshock:

At it's spiritual root, I think it comes from Satan (whatever you want to think he is) making us "deaf" to the things of God, thus the High Priest was told to put blood on his earlobe. Jesus came to reverse the curse, ie. the deaf shall hear. It's all connected. Blessings....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Paul Hazelwood

#2
Let me see if this helps.

One issue with translating the ancient languages is that very often there is not "one" word in english that will correspond with one word in the ancient language.

So often the translations are approximations.  Not that it means they are faulty, its just what gets conveyed could be much deeper if we see the phrase that often helps give the word a better understanding.

I'll use the john 6:58 verse.

In the authorized
Jn 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Concordant
Jn 6:58 This is the Bread which descends out of heaven. Not according as the fathers ate and died; he who is masticating this Bread shall be living for the eon."
So at this point if two people were debating, instead of two people seeing a much larger scope of meaning it would usually get reduced to an argument over which translation is correct.   So what's the solution someone may ask, both cannot be correct.   Yes they can.

So if we take the word forever and convey the proper figurative meaning we can have a verse that reads.

Jn 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for a time that will seem an eternity.

Some might accuse me of rewriting scripture.  But I think that the positive side of this is that how wonderful that that life would most likely be a very long time, or those joys would never seem to end.

Ther negative side in scripture is not about fear, or about hopelessness such as a true never ending hell, but understanding of what we might have to endure if we do not try to avoid Gods chastisement might seem to never end. 

Whether it ends or not,  while in any trial,  we rarely have the perspective that it's going to end.   The translations of AGE bearing or pertaining to the age, or an age of time is what gives us hope.   How it will seem is giving us the reality of what we will go through or enjoy.