Bill Wiese "Hell"

[IceDash]

I went to the bookstore and found a book called "Hell" by Bill Wiese talking about that we have to accept that even a loving God created Hell for those who don't believe, he said in the book I read in chapter one that it's not our decision why God create hell, it's God's way and God's will and also it not up to our choose but God, he also explain that God love us.

Now, that's kinda funny, a huge heavy book trying to convince people Hell do existed and I look at his website

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/BillWiese_23MinutesInHell_Text.htm



He said the demon enjoying torturing people there in hell, and said that Jesus told him that "tell them I am coming very soon!"

It's like Jesus telling him: "Tell the world that they are lost! They will go to hell, very few are saved!"

Bill didn't get it, does he?


Because I found a weapon to used against him! I FOUND IT IN THE BIBLE ITSELF!!!!!!!

Good news!

Bill said that demon laughing and seem to enjoyed in hell, but GET THIS:


Why when Jesus heal the demon-prosession boy and then the demon ask Jesus: "Please, don't send us back to hell! Send us to that pigs over there!" and the whole pig jump into the ocean and died.

AH-HA!!!!!!!! WHY THE DEMON AFRAID TO GO BACK TO HELL?!?!

IF THE DEMON IS AFRAID TO GO BACK TO HELL, THEN WHY BILL'S VISION OF DEMON SEEM TO ENJOYING IT!!

[IceDash]

Every hell-fearing people who see hell said the same thing about demon enjoying hell like party!

Is this what god send "strong delusion that people should believe in a lie for they don't love the truth"

can i ask you guys something?

I find it weird when god said "they don't love the truth"

"love the truth".....huh?

How can I love the truth if someone who will be burn forever?

[WhiteWings]

IF THE DEMON IS AFRAID TO GO BACK TO HELL, THEN WHY BILL'S VISION OF DEMON SEEM TO ENJOYING IT!!

Bill is a cash-demon...

He surrendered his life to Christ at age 16.

Jesus Christ or Anti Christ?

Bill Wieses book is debunked on this hardcore BBQ site: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm

[IceDash]

is there any good website I can learn to read greek that Jesus used at the past?

[IceDash]

IF THE DEMON IS AFRAID TO GO BACK TO HELL, THEN WHY BILL'S VISION OF DEMON SEEM TO ENJOYING IT!!

Bill is a cash-demon...

He surrendered his life to Christ at age 16.

Jesus Christ or Anti Christ?

Bill Wieses book is debunked on this hardcore BBQ site: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bill_wiese.htm

whitewings, are you UR? that website you gave me also believe in hell, lol, it still the same "torment forever in burning hell" believer, it like telling people there no purple color when they have a purple color as well.

[WhiteWings]

I'm sorta atheist IceDash. :sigh:
But also more UR that ET.

The reason I gave you that website is that even hell preachers say that the Wiese book is a lie.

[IceDash]

I'm sorta atheist IceDash. :sigh:
But also more UR that ET.

The reason I gave you that website is that even hell preachers say that the Wiese book is a lie.

lol and also a hypocrite, what make you a atheist and what make you come here often?

[Sarah]

lol and also a hypocrite

That was a little uncalled for. He would be a hypocrite if claimed he was something he wasn't.

[IceDash]

he mention Hell is real and will burn you, it the same as Bill's way.

[WhiteWings]

he mention Hell is real and will burn you, it the same as Bill's way.

So because they both speak of hell they believe the same?

That's like saying Christianity = Islam.
They both believe in a God, hell, paradise, etc.

[IceDash]

I am still have hard time understand the loving God who KNOW EVERYTHING made hell for wimpy puny human to be burn forever. It's unsettled.

[WhiteWings]

I'm sorta atheist IceDash. :sigh:
But also more UR that ET.

The reason I gave you that website is that even hell preachers say that the Wiese book is a lie.

lol and also a hypocrite, what make you a atheist and what make you come here often?

:laughing7:

Well, read my fist post on this forum. I made no secret of it. You can say I don't belong here. But a hypocrite is someone that hides his true mind.
That said, I think (hardly) noone is 100% sure of anything.
The Christian is 99% believer and 1% atheist.
The atheist is 1% believer and 99% atheist.
Don't pin me down on the numbers....
Perhaps it's the 1% that draws me here. Plus the I like the research and links to science.

[IceDash]

but aren't you afraid of what if hell is real? Do you ever feel sometime like that?

[WhiteWings]

I am still have hard time understand the loving God who KNOW EVERYTHING made hell for wimpy puny human to be burn forever. It's unsettled.

According to UR:
a] There is no real fire.
b] There is no everlasting punishment.

According to ET:
Wrong site.... :laughing7:

[IceDash]

was it because UR using "wishful thinking?"

We can't be a potter if we are a pot.

[WhiteWings]

but aren't you afraid of what if hell is real? Do you ever feel sometime like that?

Yes a little.

But say I'm extremely afraid of hell.
What does that make me?
a] A Christian? -> Is more than able to spell the word hell
b] A muslim? -> they also believe in hell
c] Just scared? -> doesn't exactly cover all Jesus thaught...

[IceDash]

I know, Love is not fear

also the "good news"

more people in hell than heaven isn't exactly good news.

[WhiteWings]

was it because UR using "wishful thinking?"

ET people say it's wishful thinking. Or other even more negative terms like heretics.
As you likely have guessed the people on this forum have many verses to prove otherwise.

We can't be a potter if we are a pot.

It's the potter that wrote the UR rules (Bible) not the pot.
The pots on this forum are just discussing what the potter wrote.

[WhiteWings]

I know, Love is not fear

also the "good news"

more people in hell than heaven isn't exactly good news.

The way I see it when i look at the mess on earth I say "more" is an understatement.
Most, majority, almost all, would be closer.

The good news is not that there are no bad times. The good news is that eventually all people end at Gods side.
Note: Bad times does not mean "only 5 trillion years in a lava pool"


Just in case you didn't know there is a lot reading on this site that explains UR.
This hypocrite has read it almost all.
http://www.tentmaker.org/
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

When down also read the 'summary' about hell:  :flamebreath: :heat:
http://bible-truths.com/
About 1/3 down the page: The "Lake of Fire" Series.

[IceDash]

why can't hell preacher see that? Have they ever try to put their hand on the frying pan for at least 5 second?

[WhiteWings]

why can't hell preacher see that? Have they ever try to put their hand on the frying pan for at least 5 second?

I truely don't know.
I could qoute some verses saying they are blinded.
But how can I (largely atheist) claim they are more blinded than me because I at least see that part.

[Paul Hazelwood]

If any one of these guys can get to hell, they can take me there and I'll come back with a report.

[jabcat]

Very good exchange WW and ID.  WW, if it's only 1% (I think it's more than that, but I won't "pin you down on the percent"  :laughing7:) that keeps you coming back, you're very welcome to be here as far as I'm concerned, and you add a lot to the forum.

ID, I was thinking earlier today about your post of UR as being "wishful thinking".  I thought to myself to post to you, that when you "see it, it will all start to come together" for you...the scriptures will start to make sense as you explore them, you'll see UR throughout ALL the Bible...all those verses WW says can be quoted.  ALL nations will be blessed, there will be no more curse, no more tears, All will be made new, on and on.  Old Testament to New.  But you have to start seeing it first, then it just starts fitting together.   

So, just a few minutes ago I saw your post on God being the Lake of Fire, and the same Fire that cleanses and purifies the sin (and as Nathan said) cleanses [destroys] the nature of man.  It seemed like you had one of those "man, I see it" moments.   :thumbsup:.  Hang in there, keep reading, be open to what God has for you.  He will show you...keep digging though, because He said it's His glory to hide a matter, and the honor of kings to search it out.  God is good, and even better than we realize.

God's blessing, James.

[IceDash]

Very good exchange WW and ID.  WW, if it's only 1% (I think it's more than that, but I won't "pin you down on the percent"  :laughing7:) that keeps you coming back, you're very welcome to be here as far as I'm concerned, and you add a lot to the forum.

ID, I was thinking earlier today about your post of UR as being "wishful thinking".  I thought to myself to post to you, that when you "see it, it will all start to come together" for you...the scriptures will start to make sense as you explore them, you'll see UR throughout ALL the Bible...all those verses WW says can be quoted.  ALL nations will be blessed, there will be no more curse, no more tears, All will be made new, on and on.  Old Testament to New.  But you have to start seeing it first, then it just starts fitting together.   

So, just a few minutes ago I saw your post on God being the Lake of Fire, and the same Fire that cleanses and purifies the sin (and as Nathan said) cleanses [destroys] the nature of man.  It seemed like you had one of those "man, I see it" moments.   :thumbsup:.  Hang in there, keep reading, be open to what God has for you.  He will show you...keep digging though, because He said it's His glory to hide a matter, and the honor of kings to search it out.  God is good, and even better than we realize.

God's blessing, James.

But isn't God wipe away tear and stuff was for the saved people?

I am very confused here because of one thing:

God so love the world that he send his son to died for us, whoever believe in him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

That where UR get me confused at this very point, How can God draw "ALL" to him if they don't believe Jesus and perish? You know what is perish is? DEAD, GONE.

Even Jesus told medn to fear God that he can destroy body and soul, how can draw "ALL" to himself if he can do that otherwise?

[jabcat]

Hopefully this will help.  Taken from here http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.

YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH.

"I tell you, nay; except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."--Luke xii : 3.

Many readers of the Bible suppose that the word perish always relates to the immortal soul, and that it means to suffer torment without end. And this passage has been quoted blindly, ignorantly, thousands of times to denote the final loss of the soul. But it is only necessary to consult the immediate context to perceive that Jesus was referring to nothing of the sort. He asks:

"Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, nay; but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

That is, perish in a manner similar to their death. "Except ye repent, ye shall all perish as they died." How was that? There were "some who told him of the Galilieans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices," and of a certain eighteen "upon whom the tower of Siloam fell, and slew them."

"Think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwell in Jerusalem? I tell you, nay; but except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish."

That is, be slain as they were. No better explanation fo these words can be given than in the language of "orthodox" commentators.

Says Dr. Clarke: "ye shall all likewise perish. In a like way, in the same manner. This prediction of our lord was literally fulfilled. When the city was taken by the Romans, multitudes of the priests, etc., who were going on with their sacrifices, were slain, and their blood mingled with the blood of their victims; and multitudes were buried under the ruins of the walls, houses and temple."

Dr. Barnes (Presbyterian) observes: "You shall all be destroyed in a similar manner. * * This was remarkably fulfilled. Many of the jews were slain in the temple; many while offering sacrifice; thousands perished in a way very similar to the Galileans."


DESTROY SOUL AND BODY IN HELL

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in Hell. Matt. x:28. "But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him which, after he hath killed, hath power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you, fear him." Luke xil:5.

The reader of these verses and the accompanying language, will observe that Jeus is exhorting his disciples to have entire faith in God. The most that men can do is to destroy the body, but God "is able," "hath power" to destroy both body and soul in Gehenna. It is not said that God has any disposition or purpose of doing so. He is able to do it, as it is said (Matt. iii:9) he is "able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." He never did, and never will raise up children to Abraham of the stones of the street, but he is able to, just as he is able to destroy soul and body in Gehenna, while men could only destroy the body there. Fear the mighty power of God, who could, if he chose, annihilate man, while the worst that men could do would be to destroy mere animal life. It is a forcible exhortation to trust in God, and has no reference to torment after death. fear not those who can only torture you--man--but fear God who can annihilate, (apokteino).

1 This language was addressed by Christ to his disciples, and not to sinners.

2 It proves God's ablility to annihilate (destroy) and not his purpose to torment. Donnegan defines appollumi, "to destroy utterly."

As though Jesus had said: "Fear not those who can only kill the body, but rather him, who, if he chose could annihilate the whole being. Fear not man but God."

"So much may suffice to show the admitted fact, that the destruction of soul and body was a proverbial phrase, indicating utter extinction or complete destruction." Paige


God's blessing, Js.