Matthew 10:28

[IceDash]

Fear him who can destroyed body and soul in hell....

...okay now I am confused, if God so love the world and saved the "WHOLE" world and LOVE him, and LOVE IS NOT FEAR, why this?

[Zeek]

Fear him who can destroyed body and soul in hell....

...okay now I am confused, if God so love the world and saved the "WHOLE" world and LOVE him, and LOVE IS NOT FEAR, why this?

Heb 10:31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[Zeek]

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27  But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28  He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Heb 10:30  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

[Zeek]

2Pe 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

[IceDash]

so.....what it mean?

[Zeek]

Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:


Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Rom 11:15  For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Rom 11:30  For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:31  Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


Luk 3:16  John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


baptized with Holy Spirit (strait gait):


Rom 6:4  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 8:6  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,





wide path of destruction: 


1Co 3:15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Heb 12:29  For our God is a consuming fire.





Psa 11:5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psa 11:6  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Psa 11:7  For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.


Rom 9:13  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[IceDash]

how about in layman's term?

[Zeek]

Psa 1:1  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Psa 1:2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Psa 1:3  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psa 1:4  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Psa 1:5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

Psa 1:6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.





Psa 1:3  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.


Rev 22:2  In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.



Gen 18:18  Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 


Gal 3:9  So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.




trying to paint a picture with scripture, rather than my words.  make any sense??

[IceDash]

uuummm, I am still a newbie in UR

[Zeek]

uuummm, I am still a newbie in UR

what do you see so far??

[IceDash]

All I am seeing is that God burn us anew?

[Zeek]

All I am seeing is that God burn us anew?

I see (and I realize some here will disagree) that there is some who will be baptized with the Holy Spirit (narrow way)


and


some who will be shamed (saved through fire).



Luk 3:16  John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:



The result is

"every knee will bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord"




hence:


Psa 1:1  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.


Psa 11:6  Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

[IceDash]

All I am seeing is that God burn us anew?

I see (and I realize some here will disagree) that there is some who will be baptized with the Holy Spirit (narrow way)


and


some who will be shamed (saved through fire).



Luk 3:16  John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:



The result is

"every knee will bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord"

I think John meant both holy and fire at the same time, that why he said "with"

[Zeek]

All I am seeing is that God burn us anew?

I see (and I realize some here will disagree) that there is some who will be baptized with the Holy Spirit (narrow way)


and


some who will be shamed (saved through fire).



Luk 3:16  John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:



The result is

"every knee will bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord"

I think John meant both holy and fire at the same time, that why he said "with"

Yeah, most see it that way.  I'm not convinced yet; one being I see the Noah story as an example;

Noah, of faith, was protected in the ark and ROSE above the waters (fire imo) where those who were stuck in "old" thinking drowned. 

But you may be right. 

What do you think about the Psalm 11 verse?

[IceDash]

that why I am so confused with this: God hate sin but did not hate sinners, but this one psalm 11 is the opposite!

[Zeek]

I have no doubt that our faith is tried in fire,

but I don't see that as the same fire of destruction; that results in one shamed.  

[Zeek]

Php 3:19  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Jer 23:40  And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.


Rom 9:33  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offense: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Rom 10:11  For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

[Zeek]

Joh 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.



Joh 11:26  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?