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What do you think our new glorified bodies will be like?

Started by fullarmor2, December 03, 2008, 08:30:01 PM

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fullarmor2

   I'm just curious to know what anyone thinks or has studied about this.

martincisneros

It says in 2Corinthians 5:9 that we do our best, whether in the body or out of the body, to be pleasing to Him.  I'll deal with the Concordant translation first lest anyone think that it contradicts what I'd say here:

10 For all of us must be manifested in front of the dais of Christ, that each should be requited for that which he puts into practice through the body, whether good or bad. (2Corinthians 5:10)

The New Testament wasn't written in Concordant and punctuation is arbitrary.  I'll insert a comma where I believe that it goes:

10 For all of us must be manifested in front of the dais of Christ, that each should be requited for that which he puts into practice, through the body, whether good or bad.  (2Corinthians 5:10 Concordant with my insertion of a comma after practice)

Now that I've dealt with that translation, I'll quote this from the NASB and Scarlett's.  First the whole passage from 2Corinthians 5 in context, first from the Concordant:

8 yet we are encouraged, and are delighting rather to be away from home out of the body and to be at home with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we are ambitious also, whether at home or away from home, to be well pleasing to Him.
10 For all of us must be manifested in front of the dais of Christ, that each should be requited for that which he puts into practice, through the body, whether good or bad.
11 Being aware, then, of the fear of the Lord, we are persuading men, yet we are manifest to God. Now I am expecting to be manifest in your consciences also.


Other translations will say "terror of the Lord" in verse 11.  This is a reference to what happened on the Cross rather than the typically expected doctrine of the reverential awe towards the Lord.

From the NASB:

8we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
9Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him.
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.

Scarlett's Translation from 1798 says:

8We are undaunted, I say, and desire rather to go out of the body, and to dwell at home with the Lord.
9Therefore, we are ambitious, that whether dwelling in the body, or out of it, we may be well-pleasing to Him.
10For we must all openly appear before the tribunal of Christ, that every one may receive the things in the body, according to what he hath done, whether good or evil.
11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men: but we are made manifest to God; and I hope we are also manifested in your consciences.


So, we receive in the body for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.  This
agrees with 1Corinthians 15 where Paul alludes back to Mark 4 in talking about the resurrection and implying the 30/60/100 fold applying to our resurrections.  Additionally, there's a 1Corinthians 3:17 thread elsewhere on the forum where we already covered the subject of destruction for disturbing the corporate fellowship of the Church.  Concordant Literal says that if anyone is corrupting the Temple of God, then God will be corrupting them.

This may be heretical for some people, but I don't believe that immortal bodies are barren of biological processes, even if someone were to successfully argue that having children is something that immortals can never ever do based off of taking the phrase "in the resurrection" too far.  But to say that there's some type of biological process to those bodies is the only way that I can, in the English language, give hope to those that have lived really hard lives that might be taking a look at this thread and thinking back upon what they've done with a sense of agony that it's about to get really really bad then, if we receive in the body for the things done in the body!  We're able to heal here.  There's likely an equivalent to that and beyond that we'll have with that body, whatever becomes of it with our receiving in the body for the things done when they were mortal.

Some people focus on all of the things that Jesus was able to do after His resurrection with locked doors not being a barrier to Him and some other things.  But a thorough study of Church history and the hundreds that have done all of the same things while in their mortal bodies will kinda ruin it for you, if you only believed a tenth of what you read.  Very likely there's a lot more for us in Hebrews 5:12-14 for this life than any of us have ever dared to imagine.  Ephesians 4 says that Jesus ascended far above all things so that He could fill all things, which sounds like a statement from superstring theory about multiple demensions.  In Christ, we already have that as well, according to Ephesians 2.  There are greater and greater levels of awareness of that and perhaps things that we can do with that in those bodies that we can't yet to in these bodies.  But the Scriptures [I started this post with] put the emphasis on whether in the body or out of the body to always do what we can to stay pleasing to Him, and He's pleased by faith according to Hebrews 11:6, and that's as easy as simply never turning a deaf ear to the Gospel since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, according to Romans 10:17.

The Scriptures say that Jesus ascended to heaven in Acts 1, Ephesians 4, and elsewhere.  Whether that means that He flew away, faded away, or just looked up and vanished, presumably with the Clouds to fulfill Daniel's prophecy of Him coming with the clouds of glory to the Ancient of days, there's evidently something there that we'll be able to do when the transition comes to the New Earth.  Jumping off of the pinnacle of the Temple might not be putting the Lord to the test in that day.  It's questionable whether or not scars completely go away with the resurrection.  Jesus could hide Who He was, and at the same time He was recognizeable for Who He'd always been when their eyes were opened.  Whether He actually hid Who He was, or whether they simply weren't expecting to see Him and closed their own minds to the resemblance because of the horribly horrific way in which Jesus had died is another thing that I'm not sure if we have all of the details in Scripture regarding.  But allowing for the possibility that He did do something to keep them from recognizing Him for a while, does this mean that we'll have chameleon-like abilities to morph into darker or lighter shades of skin tone or to have much more facial and bodily expression than previously?

fullarmor2

    Thanks for such an extensive and good response .
         Clearly this is one of many things to look forward to.  In  Revelation it talks about there being no more pain.  So a body not susceptible to pain, sickness, disease, or injury  sounds pretty good to me. 

Molly

Quote from: MartinSome people focus on all of the things that Jesus was able to do after His resurrection with locked doors not being a barrier to Him and some other things.  But a thorough study of Church history and the hundreds that have done all of the same things while in their mortal bodies will kinda ruin it for you, if you only believed a tenth of what you read.  Very likely there's a lot more for us in Hebrews 5:12-14 for this life than any of us have ever dared to imagine. 

38 Then he ordered the chariot to stop, and both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord  carried Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him any longer. But he went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip appeared in  Azotus,  and passing through, he was evangelizing all the towns until he came to Caesarea. 

--Acts 8


I wonder if we are able to have a type of resurrected body in this life..?


martincisneros

Quote from: Molly on December 04, 2008, 01:44:39 AM
I wonder if we are able to have a type of resurrected body in this life..?
Some folks around here already think I'm a pagan, so I'll keep it to a very, very pregnant Scripture quotation in my response, from a couple of translations:

3Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
4I thank my God always, making mention of you in my prayers,
5because I hear of your love and of the faith which you have toward the Lord Jesus and toward all the saints;
6and I pray that the fellowship of your faith may become effective through the knowledge of every good thing which is in you for Christ's sake.
7For I have come to have much joy and comfort in your love, because the hearts of the saints have been refreshed through you, brother. (Philemon 1:3-7 NASB)

3 Grace to you and peace from God, our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
4 I am thanking my God always, making mention of you in my prayers,
5 hearing of your love and the faith which you have toward the Lord Jesus and for all the saints,
6 so that the fellowship of your faith may become operative in the realization of every good thing which is in us for Christ Jesus.
7 For much joy have I had and consolation in your love, seeing that the compassions of the saints are soothed through you, brother.  (Philemon 1:3-7 Concordant Literal)