destroy body and soul in hell

[Sarah]

I spoke about this subject in Mathew 10:26 somewhere and can not find the thread. The understanding was reached that the one to fear would be the Pharisee who had the power to destroy the body in Gehenna (literally) and they had the power to destroy one's soul through their leaven. I was wondering if anyone knew where this was posted?

[martincisneros]

I can't remember where that particular thread is at.  But the issue with that passage is a capitalized "H" on the word "him" that shouldn't have been capitalized.  The capitalized "Him" is a theological imposition on the passage based on the assumption that it's God that'll trash and burn you.  Capitalizations like that, into English, are interpretations of the original Greek text and not something that the Hebrew or Greek interprets for us. 

If you want to find the original thread that you participated on where that was the topic, then either click on your name on the left side of one of your posts to go to your profile.  Or simply click the profile button towards the top of the boards and click on the link for your recent posts on the bottom of your profile and you can look through all of your posts from your most recent to your very first on these boards and you should be able to find something familiar along the way that you posted to that thread.  Then just simply click on the name of the thread at the top of your post to that thread and it'll take you right to that thread on the board that that thread is located at.

[Craig]

http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=3191.msg33819#msg33819

[Sarah]

Thanks for the info Martin, that will be helpful next time. And thanks Craig!

[Average_Bear]

Now I remember where I got this crazy idea that maybe, just maybe, Jesus was warning his disciples about the Pharisees, and not threatening them with eternal damnation. You won't believe how this came in handy one day - I was at Bible study at the AG church and the topic was the fear of God. I guessed that Matt. 10:28 might come up so I memorized some of what I had read on Tentmaker. The verse was read, and I raised my hand and said something like this:
This verse has always bothered me because Jesus is speaking only with his disciples. Why would he threaten his disciples with hell? Also he tells them to fear, yet three verses later he tells them "fear not". But he did often warn them of the pharisees - and of how they would be beaten, persecuted, and thrown out of the synagog. Is it possible that Jesus is really warning them of what might happen to them - because the pharisees literally did throw people (and by extension - souls) in the burning valley of Gehenna?
At this point, there was a collective gasp among the thirty five or so members sitting in their pews. They really had no idea what I was talking about. The B.S. teacher was speechless, so the pastor who was sitting in the back took over and rambled on about something unrelated to what I had asked.
I'm not a trouble maker, but I do like to plant seeds. I sense that many who are stuck in the traps of denominationalism are hungry for some truely good news.

[Craig]

Now I remember where I got this crazy idea that maybe, just maybe, Jesus was warning his disciples about the Pharisees, and not threatening them with eternal damnation. You won't believe how this came in handy one day - I was at Bible study at the AG church and the topic was the fear of God. I guessed that Matt. 10:28 might come up so I memorized some of what I had read on Tentmaker. The verse was read, and I raised my hand and said something like this:
This verse has always bothered me because Jesus is speaking only with his disciples. Why would he threaten his disciples with hell? Also he tells them to fear, yet three verses later he tells them "fear not". But he did often warn them of the pharisees - and of how they would be beaten, persecuted, and thrown out of the synagog. Is it possible that Jesus is really warning them of what might happen to them - because the pharisees literally did throw people (and by extension - souls) in the burning valley of Gehenna?

Yep. That is exactly what Jesus was talking about.

[albertx46]

Good information. This is why I like to hang around in here. Thanks.

[Paul Hazelwood]

I think my experience this weekend confirms this aspect of that teaching.   I had a friend that I went to his church to visit, I thought , no big deal,  its just one Sunday.

Everything was going pretty good,  I mean,  there are good worship songs in church that are not just talking about frying people in hell, but are words of glory to God.

Even the sermon started out pretty good, (of course many do don't they?),  then came the reminder of why I left Christianity.


It was a pastor who was working on going into the mission field,  talking about the plans, etc,  then the bombshell,  it was the "hell stats"  how us Christians have been given the duty to go into all the world and preach the gospel (so far nothing wrong) and how it is our fault and God blames it on us that there are 35,000 known people a DAY that are pouring into hell for eternity because they did not hear the message of Jesus Christ.

I was sick to my stomach.

I know that reaction does not determine the truth or falsehood of that message, believe me i know that for sure. 

But it sunk in, it sunk in how people in churches are always wondering if their salvation is secure, are always contemplating and trying to figure out the character of God.  It is messages like that are indeed destructive to our body and soul.  Not only does this create spiritual turmoil, that also equates to depression, and other forms of stress that attack the body.

How can someone start to think that they are going to go to heaven while being told they may be responsible for 1000's of souls in hell because they didn't do enough according to many Christians who teach this monsterous message.

[Craig]

I am 100% sure that Jesus was talking about the religious of the day.

[Doc]

Sweet. This is one to remember.  :thumbsup:

[70sevens]

[Mat 10:28]
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here Jesus is comparing two different types of people.
1) ones (plural) whom we should fear not
and
2) one (singular) whom we should fear

How can 1) and 2) equally be Pharisees?
Reasonably 1) is referring to men, and 2) is God.

[WhiteWings]

70th post of 70seven  :Sparkletooth:

Various translations write "Him" so are referring directly to God.


Barnes

Them which kill the body - That is, people, who have no power to injure the soul, the immortal part. The body is a small matter in comparison with the soul. Temporal death is a slight thing compared with eternal death. He directs them, therefore, not to be alarmed at the prospect of temporal death, but to fear God, who can destroy both soul and body forever. This passage proves that the bodies of the wicked will be raised up to be punished forever.

The key word is can I think...