Revelation 7 - why are 12 tribes mentioned instead of 13?

[Taffy]

That was Martin! Haha.

GEE, I thought ya changed a bit by rechecking the avatar.... :laughing7:..no the first time i made a Boo boo, not the last Craig :laughing7:

[Nathan]

No Martin, I understand all about Ephraim and Menassah . . but  . . .I don't know, the twelve are shown but two are hidden . .usually, in the patterns elsewhere, it's a whole picture . . .666 . .it's all there . . .40 days and nights . .it's not 38 showing and 2 you have to see in another plain . . .see what I mean? 

When we add to or take away from those patterns it confuses the picture the pattern-key is to unlock . . . There were never 14 disciples . .there were always 12 . . .and Jesus was not considered as one of the 12 either . . . and that's what I find confusing.  It would be different if there were 14 foundations in the picture . . . but there aren't . . .there are only 12.  It messes with the template.  I don't disagree that Paul was also an apostle and that there was a mixture of tribes throughout the history of the nation. 

In that form of all the numbers sent out today . .it included Joseph as a tribe . . .there was never a tribe of Joseph to my knowledge . . .just little discrepancies like that.  And then adding God and Jesus in as the extra two thrones that can't be seen . . . It's really not fitting other patterns.  That's why I asked about where this is being taken from . .where does Scripture "include" the throne of God and the throne of Jesus (which I "thought" were one in the first place) in with the 12 thrones as well?

[Craig]

Nathan, you are not reading what I write, let us see more listening. Did I ever say Joseph was a tribe? No, I didn't. Look closely, at the details.

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[Nathan]

Lighten up bud, there's no need to get argumentative. 

You are correct, it was 14 families you listed with Joseph and not tribes.  My mistake.

[reFORMer]

The way of God's Increase (Joseph = Increaser) is Doubling Fruitfulness (= Ephraim) and Forgetfulness (=Mannaseh) of what is behind.  There was all this anguish over the beloved bride (Rachel: "Ewe," -- female lambe, like the bride Christa to the freshly slain little lamb, Christ.)  Britton pointed out that every time Joseph's name was called it was a prophetic reminder that there was another one coming.  That other one was Benjamin (Son of the Right Hand.)  Jesus is the Head, Firstborn out of the dead, the last to be born, the Feet, are a Benjamin Company of Overcomers, the last to come into the kingdom.  His table was laden with fivefold that of the other brothers; etc.

The 42nd Generation was a message of Bill Britton's (on the web) that Christ was a two-fold (Ephraim) generation:  Christ the Head and Christ the Body, Christ the Seed and Christ the Crop.

[Craig]

Lighten up bud, there's no need to get argumentative. 

You are correct, it was 14 families you listed with Joseph and not tribes.  My mistake.

Nathan, I am direct with my words, but my attitude was always light.

:) <-This is my happy face and I gave you three.