Dr. Lorraine Day

[Gabe Grinstead]

Does anyone here believe her? Why?

After doing some simple research, I think it is clear she is eithing hiding something or is a fraud (or both!). I do not have much of a problem with her theology, how can I? I am extremely open to any theology, even ones that have nothing to do with Christianity.  But I am focusing more on her medical claims. Which seems unable or unwilling to backup with clear and concise evidence.  I guess when one person asked her for proof of her fourth checkup she said "On what authority do you ask these questions?" Now, if you have nothing to hide, then just show it! Why is there a need to conceil anything, unless, you have something to hide?

I see her used all the time for quotes on UR and what not, which is a shame, because she carries baggage that damages the good news IMO.  If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

[Kratos]

Sorry, never heard of her.

[firstborn888]

That lady is a TRIP!
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

Some great theological points

A miraculous story about being cured from breast cancer

Some really fantastic (as in way out)  conspiracy theories, for example, a stern warning that the powers that be are planning to trim the earth's population from the present 6 + billion down to 500 hundred million!

I think she also holds to a Cannanite Jew theory, which at it's root says that Satan had sex with Eve, and that's where Cain came from and his descendants are the rich controlling 'false' jews (those who "say they are jews and are not" in revelations). This theory also is said to explain the "you are of tour father, the devil" comment that Jesus made. Pretty crazy stuff. 

[mrsnacks]

I believe her. It is not that easy. Maybe she doesn't want to waste her time. I have seen her on tv a long time ago and what is there not to believe.

She is responsible for my wife and I trying out juicing and I know the medical establishment has been down on her and attacked her in many different ways. Don't believe what they say or maybe you do.

She is right about doctors and the FDA. That cancer is big business and the billions have been spent and what have they come up with. Nothing. And what she has said about the pharmaceutical companies and their greed for money and profits is true. As long as America is sick then they make money. Very simple. I think you should be more concerned about the lies and deceit perpetrated by the medical and pharmaceutical companies than with Dr Day.

[firstborn888]

She is right about doctors and the FDA. That cancer is big business and the billions have been spent and what have they come up with. Nothing. And what she has said about the pharmaceutical companies and their greed for money and profits is true. As long as America is sick then they make money. Very simple. I think you should be more concerned about the lies and deceit perpetrated by the medical and pharmaceutical companies than with Dr Day.

Like I said, She has some great stuff, but the racist comments about 'rich controlling jews'? That's a tired refrain. Doesn't help her cause.

[Gabe Grinstead]

When you question everything, it stands to reason you will be right about SOME of it.  Unfortunately, she is so far off that I cannot take her seriously.  I am not getting my information from the media, but rather, middlemen trying to find the truth about her.  Were not talking about NBC, or Christians, or Athiests, but people who simply don't believe her claims because she is unwilling disclose her fourth visit.

She believes the the government is purposely altering vaccines to make people sick and die... She believes that the government is trying to kill 90% of the population by 2020! We are talking about a lunatic here.

Again, she may be right about UR, may be right about a few conspiracies, but there is a lot that she is totally whacko on...  She pretty much believes EVERYTHING is a lie.  She denies the holocaust, which in and of itself is ABSURD...

I give her two thumbs down and she is the reason my parents reject the idea of universalism, because someone who is so ridiculous is bound to be wrong about God.

[shibboleth]

Lorraine Day was a surgeon in one of the busiest hospitals in southern California. I read her book and she says she was drenced in blood after many of her operations. She was fearful of aids and I believe she quit practicing mediceine.

I did read the book that was on her site written by a man who claims the holocaust didn't happen. He claims those in concentration camps were there because they broke some laws, and that there were never 6 million Jews in all of Europe. Well, I saw the evidence that Eisenhower filmed showing the bodies stacked up like cord wood. I also saw the movies the Nazis filmed themselves to document so many of the murders of Jews. What about the tattoing that was put on little children? What kind of crimes could they possibly be guilty of? The more I thought about it, I just couldn't agree with his conclusions. The evidence is just too overwhelming. There are/were too many eyewitnesses to what took place then. Too many diaries and letters were written by those who suffered throught the holocaust for it not to be true.

I can understand why people would leave the medical community and try something more holistic. Who wants to be burned and lose all your hair? I think the natural way is always the most preferred. But, Lorraine says that people who are cured from chemotherapy, or radiation only get cancer again. I have heard of a number of people cured through medical means. Now, maybe they changed their diets, took vitamins and herbs and exercised in order to stay healthy, but, they were still initially cured by medical means. We just can't underestimate the will of a person to live. Also, if God isn't ready for you, you aint going nowhere.

[Gabe Grinstead]

A HUGE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!

[mrsnacks]

I thank you all for the input. I don't have time to go making a defense of Dr Day and some of her beliefs which I don't think are that far fetched. I mean really to the unbelieving world what Christendom  believes about Jesus rising from the dead is far fetched. Depends what glasses one is wearing in looking at reality.

I have done some research into the holocaust and I am not of the view that it didn't happen. I have gone to some foreign websites and looked into it. And what I have seen is clear that it wasn't 6 million but much less than that.  But what good is it to share what I think is truth with those that refuse to see it. What most people say is don't confuse me with the facts , I have already made up my mind. We all come to the table with presuppositions or bias.

She is not the only one talking against vaccines. There are a list I can provide of doctors and researchers on the truth of vaccines and the dangers and the lies put out by the medical establishment. 

BUt I see it is a dead issue discussing this as far as I am concerned when most have made up their mind that she is a wacko. Maybe she is about some things. But don't dismiss her with arguments from silence.

Start a thread and show with evidence ( for example) that vaccines are safe and have the best interest in mind for the American people. Let me know and I will take part.

We must keep an open mind. I am a seeker of truth and trust God to show me. I have no agenda. I just  desire His truths. And when I express what I believe God has shown me I have been kicked out of quite a few churches . I guess they think I am wacko.A heretic for sure. 

Since 99 % of what has been taught to me from the pulpit and seminary courses from those with doctorate degrees in theology has been wrong. And I am spending a lot of my time in life unlearning. My opinion is Christendom is wacko. And the present day church overall is apostate.

The Scriptures tells us to test "all" things. That means all. Then share why we believe what we believe.

[GraceFull]

Also, if God isn't ready for you, you aint going nowhere.[/color]

Amen and amen!!! Psalm 139:16
"My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. ALL THE DAYS ORDAINED FOR ME WERE WRITTEN IN YOUR BOOK BEFORE ONE OF THEM CAME TO BE." (New International Version)

"Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and IN YOUR BOOK WERE ALL WRITTEN THE DAYS THAT WERE ORDAINED FOR ME; WHEN AS YET THERE WAS NOT ONE OF THEM." (New American Standard Bible translation)

"YOU saw me before I was born and SCHEDULED EACH DAY OF MY LIFE BEFORE I BEGAN TO BREATHE. EVERY DAY WAS RECORDED IN YOUR BOOK!" (The Living Bible Translation)

The number of our days on this earth has already been established (ordained) by God and written in His book. Since the very day (and way) that we will experience the death of our bodies has already been ordained by Him, nothing we (or anyone else)  do or don't do can change what God has ordained - that would make the creation greater than the Creator.

[Gabe Grinstead]

I thank you all for the input. I don't have time to go making a defense of Dr Day and some of her beliefs which I don't think are that far fetched. I mean really to the unbelieving world what Christendom  believes about Jesus rising from the dead is far fetched. Depends what glasses one is wearing in looking at reality.

I have done some research into the holocaust and I am not of the view that it didn't happen. I have gone to some foreign websites and looked into it. And what I have seen is clear that it wasn't 6 million but much less than that.  But what good is it to share what I think is truth with those that refuse to see it. What most people say is don't confuse me with the facts , I have already made up my mind. We all come to the table with presuppositions or bias.

She is not the only one talking against vaccines. There are a list I can provide of doctors and researchers on the truth of vaccines and the dangers and the lies put out by the medical establishment. 

BUt I see it is a dead issue discussing this as far as I am concerned when most have made up their mind that she is a wacko. Maybe she is about some things. But don't dismiss her with arguments from silence.

Start a thread and show with evidence ( for example) that vaccines are safe and have the best interest in mind for the American people. Let me know and I will take part.

We must keep an open mind. I am a seeker of truth and trust God to show me. I have no agenda. I just  desire His truths. And when I express what I believe God has shown me I have been kicked out of quite a few churches . I guess they think I am wacko.A heretic for sure. 

Since 99 % of what has been taught to me from the pulpit and seminary courses from those with doctorate degrees in theology has been wrong. And I am spending a lot of my time in life unlearning. My opinion is Christendom is wacko. And the present day church overall is apostate.

The Scriptures tells us to test "all" things. That means all. Then share why we believe what we believe.

As I said previously, there may be things she is correct on.  I do not deny this... Alternative medicine is not a BAD thing and can be quite helpful.  But she villainizes contempory medicine and claims for a fact that it cannot nor has it ever cured cancer!  Again, the statement is absurd.

Let me ask you something, if she were proven wrong on her theory that by 2020 90% of the population will be eliminated, would you reconsider your view of her?

There are many places on the net where you can look up angry family members because their parent died due to her treatment... She said they would get better if they follower her ten steps, they die, despite the fact that 'she has this all figured out'... That is dishonest.  In fact, anyone who is conceiling medical evidence of HER OWN STORY has no right to dealing with humanity. She is dishonest as they come.

The truth likely is that contemporary medicine healed her, but she is not disclosing her fourth visit because she knows she will be proven a fraud in the medical field.

[mrsnacks]

Well I will comment and that will be it.

Yes there may be angry and upset members that weren't cured by her recommendations.I don't know that for a fact but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Just as there are many who are upset and angry  having family members not being cured by modern medicine.I think you are making a lot of statements with out any backing up. Can you give me some quotes that she has promised all who would listen to her would be cured ? That no one has ever been cured by modern medicine of cancer ?  I look forward to your response with speciific quotes. I am not saying she has never been dishonest.All have fallen short and missed the mark. You have and I have as well. Just because a dishonest person gets in front of the class and says 2 plus 2 = 4 doesn't mean that 2 +2 doesn't equal 4.

I could provide tons of info showing the dishonesty of the medical profession. And that is not just looking up facts on the net. My wife is in the medical establishment. My brother works in research for one of the top pharmaceutical companies in the world. They both have their stories which makes my point personal.My brother had an opportunity to be a part of Michael Moore's latest film on that industry. Did you know that many pharmaceutical companies including my brother's were warned not to give out any info or get involved with Moore and his film or else ? So what do the companies have to
hide ?

So if I provide this info and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the medical establishment has lied to the American people - then what are you going to do about
it ?

You don't know her mind and you are taking a leap in the dark when you say that she is concealing her fourth visit for dishonest reasons. Sorry I don't bite that bullet.

The problem with alternative methods of treating cancer is that the many go to these treatments after they are practically given a death sentence by modern medicine. Then they go the last minute expecting a miracle having just days or weeks to live.  And sometimes it happens. But in a lot of cases if had  they practiced preventive medicine in the first place - many would be cured. Many have been .

[Gabe Grinstead]

There is no doubt in my mind that she is a fraud. Now, I am not really interested in convincing you of that! It isn't a good use of my time.  Because, if you are quite happy with her, then I am glad with you. Beliving she is legit or not probably will not affect either of us at all in our life time. So, I will more than happily back out, because I am not interested in taking time to explain her inconsistances.

[mrsnacks]

There is no doubt in my mind that she is a fraud. Now, I am not really interested in convincing you of that! It isn't a good use of my time.

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mrsnacks reply:

No doubt with no quotes ?

You have made some strong statements accusing someone of being a fraud.  And so being interested in truth I wanted to know, for example - your claim that she said " No one has ever been cured by the medical establishment. "Did she really say that or did you make it up ?

It is not a question of me being happy with her which is besides the point. YOu claim that she is a fraud is a powerful claim against her.So I am asking you to prove it.

What bothers me is that you say nothing of the inconsistencies and false claims and lies of the medical establishment. You mentioned the middle men. Who are these middlemen and what makes you believe they are being truthful and honest ? 

I don't mind people disagreeing with each other. But when someone says someone is a fraud and they said this or that - then I will question and look deeper into this.

You nor I never sat down with her and talked to her. Only God has the insight into her heart.

I once was challenged to present reasons why I thought God existed on a forum. I have studied apologetics for years and I refused to come forward. They took it as I was afraid and one who was insecure of my beliefs just because I didn't engage. They didn't know my heart. MY reason was after seeing and hearing what they believe - nothing I could say would convince them otherwise. I would be target practice. IT would be casting peals before swine if I took part. They have already made up their mind that God doesn't exist and the BIble is a book of myths and fables. They were very anti- Christian and they spent their time mocking Christianity. They weren't open. So I didn't bite the bullet. They can believe what they want. That is my point with Dr. Day. She didn't come forward and she has her reasons. But to say she is purposely being deceptive and hiding something - is not right.

She may be wrong about certain things. She is human. But to say she is a fraud is strong language. That is all I have to say hopefully on this subject. I hope you see my point.