Does Proverbs 16:7 have a UR application?

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Does Proverbs 16:7 apply to Jesus Christ?

When, acceptable to Yahweh, are the ways of a man, even his enemies, doth he cause to make peace with him. (Proverbs 16:7 Rotherham's Emphasized)

Can we read this by degree, depending on how pleasing that Jesus Christ was to our heavenly Father?  From another translation:

When a man's ways please Jehovah, even his enemies, He causeth to be at peace with him. (Proverbs 16:7 Young's Literal Translation)


I don't have my Concordances or Interlinears handy.  Does anyone know if the word "peace" here, in Proverbs, is the word "Shalom?"  That would mean that you could read this as "prosperity" instead of just "peace" in the above verse.

Compare this verse above with Colossians 1:20 where it says that He's made peace by the Blood of His Cross.  If UR isn't true, then you must say that the ways of Jesus Christ are not pleasing to our heavenly Father.  If the Universal Restoration isn't true, then we're at a loss for the meaning of the Blood of Christ which is supposed to be the continual reminder of the life lived in addition [to a reminder of] it's place as the ransom for all.  Wouldn't it's failure to ransom some or even one serve to cheapen it's value 'cause there was someone it couldn't ransom?  1Timothy 2:6 calls Him a ransom for all.  If His ways did fully please our heavenly Father, each of His enemies will be at peace WITH Him.  And especially if the Hebrew word in question in Proverbs 16:7 is "Shalom" which includes prosperity.  How else would they prosper with Jesus Christ other than with His salvation?  How else would they enjoy PEACE with Him, other than through His power to conform them to Himself according to Philippians 3:21?  Every enemy of Jesus Christ will make peace with Him through His Cross in their minds.

You only have the alternative of them making peace WITH Him, or being caused to be at peace/prosperity with Him – depending on your point of view and preference in translation – otherwise you must conclude that the ways of Jesus Christ are not pleasing/acceptable to our heavenly Father.  There's no middle ground or wiggle room on this, although obviously we're talking about something that "within the realm of time" would be in our heavenly Father's timing.  How else would He be what Rotherham's translation calls in Isaiah chapter 9 "the Prince of Prosperity?"  Of His increase, there will be no end, hallelujah!  Of the increase of His Kingdom there being no end doesn't mean with regards to it's duration (1Corinthians 15:28), but the fact that it won't have a boundary that outside of this boundary, now that's what Father's given over to Satan.  That's blasphemous that anyone would have ever gone there in their theology with eternal punishment, eternal separation, or eternal death. 

That some haven't yet experienced life isn't a type of proof that they won't.  There isn't a little child that wouldn't laugh that type of reasoning to scorn once the fallacy in it was pointed out to them.  Because something hasn't happened yet that's clearly promised to us in Scripture, therefore it won't??  There is something severely mentally impaired [by religious tradition] about preaching that would assert the equivalents of that.

Look at the context of this passage from Proverbs in the NASB.  See how the context of Proverbs 16:7 emphatically is addressed to, or talking to Jesus Christ about His work, perhaps in His youth as He was reading or listening to the Scriptures:

1The plans of the heart belong to man, But the answer of the tongue is from the LORD.
2All the ways of a man are clean in his own sight, But the LORD weighs the motives.
3Commit your works to the LORD And your plans will be established.
4The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.
5Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will not be unpunished.
6By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for, And by the fear of the LORD one keeps away from evil.
7When a man's ways are pleasing to the LORD, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.


The Scriptures must be interpreted through Jesus Christ.  Not just in the light of Jesus Christ as Alpha and Omega, but in order to see the big picture we must come to the place where the only time that we apply a Scripture to our own lives is after we've seen how it applies to Jesus.  And the way that it applies to Jesus is how it applies to us as His joint-heirs (Romans 8; 2Peter 1).  Perhaps this takes the whole WWJD a bit further than the speculative way in which that was originally presented to people.  You've got to remember that the Book was how God intended to raise Jesus from His earliest youth (Luke 2:51-52), rather than by the Rabbinical Seminaries of the day.  Read it from the perspective of His mission statement and manual of how to [prayerfully] get it all done.  With the above:

Since the ways of Jesus Christ please our heavenly Father, and therefore all will be at peace with Him in 1Corinthians 15:28, then if my ways please our heavenly Father because I've adopted the ways of Jesus Christ, then I'll be used by the Holy Spirit in the facilitation of that process of bringing all things to the feet of Christ to experience that peace/prosperity.  Isn't that so much of a richer interpretation and understanding of this verse than just if our ways please the Lord, then He'll make our enemies at peace with us?  One's lends itself too easily to the thought process of being temporary (i.e. job related, next door neighbor related, etc.) and one counts for, as they say, "eternity."