John 3:16 ~ I cant figure it our!

[The_Angel_Of_Truth]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son. that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

This verse says it! If you believe in him you won't perish but not if you don't... someone help me, ive been trying to figure it out for a while but I cant find an answer...

[AbbasChild]

This is from a writing of A.P Adams:

Now we will look at a passage in the New Testament; viz., that precious declaration in John 3:16, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17 inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be. In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been interpolated,  probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version. The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament;  it occurs hundreds of times, and  it is rendered "all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one. The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him.  In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth,"  and the words, "whosoever believeth in him"  are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.  But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I have shown above;  the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of the manner of the world's salvation, by believing in him;  this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved." Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all, believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."  Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow, shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering  "whosoever,"  change believing to "believeth,"  and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as to harmonize with the creed.  Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds!  "Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

A.P. Adams

[CHB]

l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved." Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all, believing in him. might have æonial life.

Hi,
I have heard ET preachers use the word MIGHT as if it is saying there is a question here and say not all will be saved.

CHB

[Craig]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son. that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

This verse says it! If you believe in him you won't perish but not if you don't... someone help me, ive been trying to figure it out for a while but I cant find an answer...

Perish means to die. It does not mean to live forever disembodied and tortured day and night.

Literally:
Jesus warned of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, the destruction of Israel by the hands of it's enemies. Jesus warned to leave the city, go out of Jerusalem and into all the nations. Those who believed Jesus's words, were saved while those who remained, perished.

Spiritually:
Jesus taught love, and those who do not live by love, live in destruction and they themselves are destroyed while they live. Jesus called the Pharisee's, dead. They were white-washed tombs. They did not listen to Him, so they did not find life and as long as anyone does contrary to life, they remain dead even though the live physically.

Now, this is not where it ends. If one should die, they will be raised from the dead. Depending on whether you trust in Jesus or not, dictates when you will be raised. The reward of those who believe is to raise up and reign with Christ for 1000 years, while those who did not, remain dead until the reign of a thousand years is over.

[claypot]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son. that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

This verse says it! If you believe in him you won't perish but not if you don't... someone help me, ive been trying to figure it out for a while but I cant find an answer...

Perish means to die. It does not mean to live forever disembodied and tortured day and night.

Literally:
Jesus warned of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, the destruction of Israel by the hands of it's enemies. Jesus warned to leave the city, go out of Jerusalem and into all the nations. Those who believed Jesus's words, were saved while those who remained, perished.

Spiritually:
Jesus taught love, and those who do not live by love, live in destruction and they themselves are destroyed while they live. Jesus called the Pharisee's, dead. They were white-washed tombs. They did not listen to Him, so they did not find life and as long as anyone does contrary to life, they remain dead even though the live physically.

Now, this is not where it ends. If one should die, they will be raised from the dead. Depending on whether you trust in Jesus or not, dictates when you will be raised. The reward of those who believe is to raise up and reign with Christ for 1000 years, while those who did not, remain dead until the reign of a thousand years is over.

That is some good explaining, SOTW. Thanks.

cp

[willieH]

willieH: Hi there, AC!  "hithere:

GOOD STUFF!   :boogie:

This is from a writing of A.P Adams:

Now we will look at a passage in the New Testament; viz., that precious declaration in John 3:16, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17 inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be. In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been interpolated,  probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version. The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament;  it occurs hundreds of times, and  it is rendered "all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one. The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him.  In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth,"  and the words, "whosoever believeth in him"  are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.  But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I have shown above;  the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of the manner of the world's salvation, by believing in him;  this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved." Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all, believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."  Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow, shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering  "whosoever,"  change believing to "believeth,"  and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as to harmonize with the creed.  Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds!  "Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

A.P. Adams

:goodpost:

GREAT POST AbbasChild!   :thumbsup: :happyclap:

peacE...
...willieH  :king:

[martincisneros]

In addition to what I'd sent you a message about on this Scripture a while back, the Lord showed me this about this passage of Scripture:

John 3:16 is about Jesus's healing ministry.  Nicodemus wasn't asking about going to heaven.  He was saying to Jesus that He had to be from God 'cause of all of the miracles.  And Jesus was being affirming towards him that he couldn't even perceive God at work in Jesus UNLESS he'd been "born again," even if he didn't know what to call it or what was going on in himself.  Nicodemus was saying that "there's a lot going on in Your life, Jesus, that can only be from God."  And Jesus was turning the tables on him and saying, "Nicodemus, there's a lot going on in your life that can only be from God, or you wouldn't even be able to recognize God at work."  In that context, because Nicodemus was evidently asking about the miracles, the healings, etc., Jesus said, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him (like the women with the issue of blood) should not perish, but have eonian life."  He didn't mean perish for the age, but perish from the age with all of the prevalent illnesses, economic hardships, and politics that were going on in that era.  He may have even been saying, "Nick, I can even touch what's been going on in your body -- that chest pain, that indigestion, or whatever -- if you believe that God has sent Me to you as well.  You don't have to die of this 'cause Father sent Me."

John 3:16 is a healing verse [contextually] and not a "turn or burn" passage.  It's a Matthew 8:17; Romans 8:11; 1Peter 2:24 type of passage.