How should we view a cruel world from God's eyes?

[V.I.D.]

Well ..I know that i cant know everything ,but want it or not I will encounter in my life all sorts of nasty stuff and i dont know what to think about them .
I know that God has His hand on everything and He is in everything ..the sea the air etc..
But if He is indeed all of that ,then how will i be able to connect Him to all of the disasters of that planet ? And what should i think if i am struck with a disaster myself  ?

You all know about Pompei and the thousands of people there ,that  were burned alive in lava ....and you know about Chernobyl ..and you know other things aswell too ...

So how should i view them to fit His perspective of things ?  :mshock:

So ..in Him all lives ..breathes and ..becouse of His ALLOWANCE ALL THINGS HAPPEN .

So ..what then ? He allowed Pompei's people to be buried in the lava and etsetra and etsetra ..
So what do you guys think ?
Does He allow those things ? Does He cause them ?
If yes then why does He cause them ? and why does He allow them to happen ?
If not then ..Am i wrong somewhere ?And what might i be missing  :umnick: :umnick:

[CHB]

Hi V.I.D.

Here are some articles that might be of help in explaining this.

http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/Is_God_Sovereign_Over_All_The_Petty_Details_Of_Life

http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/free_will.php

One thing you can be absolutely sure of, God is in charge of ALL THINGS.

CHB

[Loveroftruth]

One thing you can be absolutely sure of, God is in charge of ALL THINGS.

   

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.

This sure tells us that man has alot to do with outcomes

[Pierac]

Hi CHB,

Mike has some really nice articles  :thumbsup:

Just be careful, he does not have it all right. No one does!  :2c:

Paul

[firstborn888]

It is for the experience of good and evil VID. God suffers with us. Isaiah 63:9 "In
all their affliction He was afflicted". It is for the contrast, the experience of passing from death into life.

blessings,
- Byron

[V.I.D.]

Ok now ..let me see..
My  problem comes not from the fact that we suffer . It  is very easy to say that we suffer ,becouse of the proces of  bringing from death to life ,but what happens when you see things a bit more deeply as i usualy do ? I normaly inlive things very deeply . When someone suffers i put myself in their place and try to feel what they have felt .

What happens if you ask yourself ....if i seed in me something bad will He then make me reap this --> http://www.romeinlimousine.com/images/pompei2.jpg

Well ..that question surely makes me fear Him instead of love Him and the devil is using such things to make me be nasty . That is why i wonder what am i missing?. That is why i wonder where could i be wrong .
I cant dismiss responsibility ,but i cant connect God to such destructions . And i cant see the links . If i try to accept things this way ,then i start being hard hearted and not a good person.
But how can i view things ? I know that everything is by His allowance ?
Well ..i might do a thousand sins in thinking this way ,but what can i think when i see such pictures ?
So that is troubling me .. I have to understand God well and know His deeds and things connected to Him ,or else i will fall in satan s hands by admiting things that are not of God or by being in a lie.

[Dreamer]

V.I.D. I don't know about natural disasters and such but regarding reaping and sowing on this earth, it is based on our actions and the consequences of those actions. 

If I eat Big Macs everyday for a year, I will gain weight and my health will decline considerably.  If I sow bad eating habits I will reap bad health.  I can't then say God made me sick and caused me to have a bad liver "to punish" me.  I can only blame myself and I would have reaped that to which what I sowed.

[sparrow]

Hey V.I.D.

I think maybe you are seeing it slightly off like you are putting God as the blame for certain things, where He shouldn't be the one to blame. (sort of.)

Think for example, some Native American peoples... who respect the earth. Some "christians" will say that these people WORSHIP the earth, and they get all in a tizzy when they hear the term "Great Spirit" as opposed to saying "God". Well, now look at how some Native American cultures find reverence in God's creation. See how they respect and honor the earth... and not rape and pillage the earth as other people have.

The raping and pillaging of this earth by MANKIND has led to many, many disasters... not because GOD caused them or is punishing us. But because this earth has certain natural laws, that if broken,  it starts to break down, not because the earth is evil, but because that's what happens. That is nature. A human being has cells in his body... mankind starts to pollute the earth, the very air we breathe and the very water we drink...mankind doesn't show God's creation love and reverence and gentleness. Remember, God IS Love. We are to learn about GOD (love). No, mankind TAKES! and doesn't give back. Mankind plunders the earth and treats the earth as a commodity to be HAD. And soon, all of this pollution... the cells in the body start do breakdown because of that pollution, and Dis-ease forms...

God did not STRIKE someone down with a disease... It's what has happened naturally due to man's  not respecting and honoring this earthly home that God has provided for us.

If we were to follow the ways of Natives... there would surely be less disease...
God speaks to all people.
The trouble is, most people don't see the other people in the world as their brothers and sisters.
Just because one group of people know Jesus.. they think that God MUSN'T have spoken to His OTHER children, because they do not yet profess Christ! That is a shame... and that is very sad.
We're all brothers and sisters and we will ALL one day fall on our knees and worship TOGETHER the SAME God! He HAS revealed beautiful truths to all people.. just because some know some things, and other know other things does not mean they came from a DIFFERENT God. Know what I mean?

God doesn't make someone suffer... we make ourselves suffer, and we make others suffer as well because of our actions. God IS Love. Jesus came to show us a way. One day, all will LOVE as God loved us.. One day LOVE will reign supreme FOREVER, but for now we are in a place where we are LEARNING about this "love". We are learning ABOUT God. We are experiencing this world, where light and darkness both exist so we can TRULY learn what LOVE is.... and what LOVE isn't.

Do you know what I mean? There is no other way to learn.
Mankind brings suffering upon itself.
But we WILL learn through our suffering. through our trials.
There is a purpose.

We are ALL learning.
All throughout history... all people...
We're all learning.
All of us.
Every single life ever lived... every mistake, every lesson learned...is going to be a lesson for all.
In my humble opinion.

peace,
sparrow

P.S. My mother died of cancer. When it happened I hated God and turned my back on Him. I even used to say out loud "I HATE YOU!!!!" to God. But now, after all of these years... I see it in a completely different way. I see disease as something that happens NOT because God MADE it happen but because this is what it is like to NOT LOVE and to not HAVE LOVE. My mother didn't
DO anything to GET cancer. Cancer happened because this world is full of non-love in so many different ways. In the ways we treat the earth that causes pollution on so many levels. The way we treat each other that causes so much hurt inside that can physically manifest itself in the form of disease. 

Everything that is BAD in this world is directly or indirectly caused by a lack of love.
That is the ROOT.

We're here to learn.
Everything we do as a people has an impact on ourselves and on our fellow man.
We're here to learn what GOD is...
(Love.)
It's hard to see sometimes...
and most people don't see it.
But everything will eventually be ok.
We will (as a people) learn what we came here to learn.
and Love will one day reign SUPREME again...  :HeartThrob:

[V.I.D.]

Thanks you guys  :cloud9:
This helped alot .
Specialy *sparrow *  :dsunny:
I knew God is not evil and i connected Him to evilness .. :Oops:
Well i do sometimes make God to look in a way He is not ,becouse i had a problem with perception . I did not know well enough how to distinguish Him between the doctrines that were lies ,becouse i was a bit stupid(VERY STUPID) .
When someone said to me something i usualy inlived it qite deeply ,but that did not help me ,but only confused me . By tasting so many understandings i could get overloaded and since i did not have the idea how to distinguish between them and how to see where is the truth and where are the lies i could easyly be lead to stupid thoughts concerning God .
Praise Him !! He showed me something that gave me more knowledge !
I will show things figuraly .
Well..the problem was that when i looked at a picture and i saw the picture's colors and concept i could easy be decieved by that picture .
why ? .Becouse i was concentrated on the colors and the emotions that came from the concept misleaded me in to a lie .
Well you see ..its not the colors ,or the concept that was a problem ,but it was the SOUL OF THE CONCEPT .
Or lets say it this way ..EVIL THINGS MAY BE MADE TO LOOK BEAUTIFULL IF YOU PUT SHINEY COLORS TO THEM SO THAT THEY COULD BE ADVERSED !
And when you look at the picture and the shiney colors take your eye and then you go deep in to the composition of that picture which actualy puts lies in your head by the very soul of the composition ,that makes you vulnerable and easy to catch to stupid things that are of no value .
NOW that is why they call satan an ADVERSARY .! Countrary to God ,but he adverses i.e. LIES with shiney colors .
The picture is simbolic with our preception of things ,when we need to choose something .It is a presentation in our heart and mind of something when we walk in our lives . This something may be a doctrine ,or an idea which we develop ,or which is shown to us and if we accept it we may fall in to taking garbage with us instead of the original . So then we believe a lie and this lie causes us to be mislead to some degree . We believe it but the SOUL OF THE CONCEPT is not pure .
Let us take this example :
You have 3 pictures :
1 You have a simple heart drawn on a white paper ,made qite nice and lovingly ,but very simple and pure . There are no colors on the background ..Just the white paper .
2 Here we have a Lion drawn beautifuly with sharp teeth and with awsome furr .And in his mouth he holds a dead meat ,or an animal .
3 We have a concept of judgement where the loosers are righteously put in destruction and the winners stand bravely with the might and glory of Gods . And the picture is the most magestic thing ever drawn !
Which will you choose ?
I bet you know what will a religiouse guy like ( just replace the images from the last picture with some special figures from their faith and there you go ) Yes I did drew up the last one with a purpose . I think you can guess what doctrine it is showing .
The second picture with the lion is so tasty ? Its awsome drawn .. its a state of the art masterpiece ..it makes you feel how powerfull is that lion and how magestic is that lion and how everything else is destroyed in his teeth ( that is what the meat symbolises ) . So you say * that picture is the most magestic thing i have ever seen ! WOW . He is strong ,beautiful . I will have it ! This is what i wanna be !*. And then you choose it )
Then we come to the first one which is nothing more than a symbol of love .
If it was yet alone ,you would have chosen it and some do choose it ,but some cant resist the roaring lion and the picture of justice ,so they choose them .
But what is the truth ?
The picture with the heart is pure in its SOUL OF CONCEPT and its made to perfectly suit things . It is a * treasure* for whoever haves it becouse its concept does not inflict evil and lies .
But the picture of the lion ? Well ..it looks good ,but it is actualy showing us only a beast eating a poor animal . No mather how nice its drawn ,that is what it shows . And that is * THE SOUL OF ITS CONCEPT * .And it can harm you with that doctrine by making you want to turn in to a killer .
What about the trird ? Well its *justise * ?? Well..no its not .Its actualy a beautifully drawn picture of some getting killed and others getting inpowered . Those who dont fit are second hand and since they did not mach the * terms of survival * ,they are destroyed .
The soul of that picture is primitive !
So that is a way to be decieved !
Before it was easy to show me a picture and use it to lie ,becouse even if God disprooves the truth in one of it wit experience ,the colors are still bright and the lion still looks magestic . And if it is not becouse of God ,I would choose that one in difrent moments becouse i am still lured like a magnet to it without knowing why do i like it . I know it causes me evil and that for some reason something there is NOt ok ,but i cant take my eyes out of it .
What i needed is to learn to see its soul ! And to know . In this God helped me !
But this world is full of views ..all sorts of things there are here . All sorts of lies . All sorts of disasters . And you eventualy stumble upon them every day . Every day with difrent thing . Who will guide you to best choise ?
Well that is the good news . We have who to guide is !! Praise the Lord  :IloveU: Lord .
So i still have much more to learn ,but that lesson is preciouse one . !!We should not look too much in to the world stuff , becouse they have their lies in unique ways .
You may see preachers ! That preach something magestic and ,that have their LOGIC ( BEWARE OF LOGIC BECOUSE IT IS THE MOST DECIEVING THING ..ALL SORTS OF LOGICS CAN BE FORMED AND PUT TOGETHER IN A DOCTRINE ! ITS LIKE THE COLORS IN THE PRETTY PICTURES ) . So when a man listenes to that logic it catches its mind and leads him to emotions and becouse the logic is perfect in itself or atleast bounding ,that makes it hard for him to go back ,or if he does after aknowledging that this somewhat is not right ,he might get confused and ...
The result of that logic is that we follow things that are dead and do deeds that are stupid and inlive emotions that are not helping us ,but bounding us ...So that is why I have to say :* Thank you God. You helped and help ALOT ! *
That is another reason that we NEED GRACE !
So that is why we should choose , by the soul of things aswell and not only by logic ,or lets say * colors * and that soul we see thanks to our Heavenly Father and by Faith and Grace in whith which He brings us to Himself  .
Praise the Lord and Jesus Christ our saviour

Note : Still learning on MANY topics ,so what i say is not perfect ,but thank God for that step forward !

And yes ..Now i see that we do reap what we saw ,but there is more to it .
I still dont know everything ,but He will teach me and you guys aswell.

Blessings :dsunny:

[Loveroftruth]

V.I.D. I don't know about natural disasters and such but regarding reaping and sowing on this earth, it is based on our actions and the consequences of those actions. 

If I eat Big Macs everyday for a year, I will gain weight and my health will decline considerably.  If I sow bad eating habits I will reap bad health.  I can't then say God made me sick and caused me to have a bad liver "to punish" me.  I can only blame myself and I would have reaped that to which what I sowed.

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[sparrow]

V.I.D. ...  :grouppray:

I loved reading your thoughts.
Because that was just real stuff coming through...
It's kind of rare to see that. So I appreciate it.
I liked the little simple heart on plain paper pic, by the way.. :HeartThrob:  :thumbsup:  :icon_flower:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the way you see things...
Keep sharing!

love,
sparrow

[fire walker]

Occasionly I may question reaping what is sown, here are some examples:

1. Children who have been abused or sexualy molested, what did they sow to reap this?

2. We are all aware of the fact that our justice system is not fail safe and often corrupted within, what did a man sow to reap 18 years in prison for something he is later found to be innocent of?

3. What did a person that is striken down and killed or cripled for life by a speeding car sow to reap what befell them?

I do not believe they sowed wickedly to receive any these evil things they passed through,
but on a personal note I have been aquainted with a few people who suffered and passed through at least one of these things above, three of these folks were very forgiving compassionate people later in life who had fought a spirit of bitterness for a number of years as a result before coming to have grace given compsassion and forgiveness for others in life, yet at least two others I knew became bitter, hardened
and disparing as a result of passing through such things, and unless one knew about their circumstances  it would be difficult to look at them through grace,
This is an area that Gods grace has really touched me in my own personal life, it is very difficult for me to hold hard feelings for anyone regardless what they may have done to me or a loved one, somewhere within me a longing for their forgiveness burns away inside me and I know they have people in thier lives too that are mothers, fathers, friends and maybe children and a family themselves. All this because I am forgiven and have been thankful to have people in my life who gave me room to grow better rather than bitter myself.

Personaly I am aware that God gets the glory in ALL things, so he has provided the grace for people to come through such injustices with a compassion they never had known before in life, the grace and knowledge begin to grow in Christ even if the people who are growing in grace and knowledge are not fully aware of this conciously, none the less it is our Lords workmenship within us that brings the good out to prevail over such evil in the finish.

And again we all know Jesus never sowed evil or wickedly yet he reaped the result of becoming all sin for us and died a most cruel, cold blooded grueling death at the hands of men whom he prayed for them that they be forgiven. His death and along with this three days beyond before he rose from the dead to prevail over the last enemy death with his life! So if we admit it
much of what we reap is in the eyes of us the beholders, when reaping good or evil that we have not sown then there is a purpose for all these things to come to pass that possibly we have not yet received the eyes to see beyond the vail of the flesh where no good thing dwells, we know Jesus laid rent to the vail so that now all men are predestined at some point to see beyond the vail where they can be still and know that God is God and is in control of all things. 

Peace,
Fire Walker