Melissa Scott's teachings against Christian Universalism?

Started by MinakoChan, July 04, 2023, 02:16:18 AM

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MinakoChan

I still need to listen to more of what she's said, but she seems convinced that Jesus's words in greek are talking about eternal torment/damnation. She also believes that an actual hell exists. What's everyone's thoughts?

WhiteWings

Search a bit on this forum.
It's all about that word aion and its variations.
It for 100% sure has the meaning of a limited duration. All agree on that.
But some believe it has an additional meaning of everlasting.


https://tentmaker.org/books/HansonsFourWorks.pdf
https://tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

MinakoChan

Hello, I definitely agree with you! I'm not quite sure how she's getting something different, but she also believes that God didn't reveal "Hell" (eternal torment) until the NT. Even though none of the words in the NT carry that meaning.  :dunno2:

Shev

Not sure who Melissa Scott, but I read the NT in Greek and to me it points to universal reconciliation more than the English does, because nothing is lost (or altered) in translation.

Song

Quote from: MinakoChan on July 04, 2023, 06:58:18 PM
Hello, I definitely agree with you! I'm not quite sure how she's getting something different, but she also believes that God didn't reveal "Hell" (eternal torment) until the NT. Even though none of the words in the NT carry that meaning.  :dunno2:

She must be thinking of the mistranslation of Gehenna, the Valley of Hinnom, on the side of Jerusalem as "Hell". Even though it's a physical valley used to burn bodies, where it's impossible for the fire to burn forever. (If it is burning forever, then either that's a lotta fuel (like what, endless firewood?) or we've just discovered an infinite source of man-made energy XD)

http://web.archive.org/web/20080712021034/http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/ says they've got some actual photos of "hell" too XD

Either that or Hades. But we know that that's just a port of Sheol from Hebrew OT as Psalm 16:10 Acts 2:27 tell us. Simply the realm of the dead.

Or tartarus, but again, that's just where the fallen angels are. Nothing ECT in this verse. 2 Peter 2:4
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