Eternal torment

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FineLinen

Endless torment

The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, (at least not in conjunction).

Whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of aionion (age-abiding) kalasin (chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable.
If it were eternal, then the word aidios would have been used.

But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment, or life for that matter. It is not talking about eternity, rather the quality of life, which will be one of righteousness or a period of correction to set things right!
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

FineLinen

This ghastly dogma of depravity does not find its roots in the Pater of all paters!

The love that brought forth the existence of all things, changes not through the fall of its creatures, but is continually at work, to bring back all fallen nature and creature to their first state of goodness. God's providence, from the fall to the restitution of all things, is doing the same thing, as when He said to the dark chaos of fallen nature, Let there be light; He still says, and will continue saying the same thing, till there is no evil of darkness left in all that is nature and creature. God creating, God illuminating, God sanctifying, God threatening and punishing, God forgiving and redeeming, is but one and the same essential, immutable, never ceasing working of the divine nature. ~William Law
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

marie glen

Amen!! :thumbsup: God, Quote - is perfect?!(Mt.5:48) He, quote - has consigned all to disobedience.
   All, at one time, all together at once. I think since the ability to make choices is a part of being able to think, well.. there, included in Eden, was that very obvious option to stray..
     But to make a poor or bad choice, anything that differs with what He chooses, results in imperfection - hamartia - missing the mark. Opposite of life, a sort of virulent disease, an abyss of potential, twilight zone.
     But what was God?s other option? No thinking, reasoning beings? Ever?
So? 🤔 all must be fully inoculated against straying? The other theory which seems strongly held by the ET/ETC churches or gospel is that things got out of control.. God made a mistake.. Something happened which took Him by surprise. Yes, He created evil, by endowing genuine thinking and reasoning ability. He brings about calamity (imo) by building a cause and effect universe..
     Not so much what He has created? As what He is creating? An enduring paradise.. Quote - The lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow. Is.11:7
    Quote - HE will be judged as righteous.. Romans 3:4. And greatly praised! :dsunny:
All - Good News - afterall!
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