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150 Reasons For Believing In The Final Salvation Of All Mankind

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html

Seven Large Myths

https://reforminghell.com/7-myths-about-universalism/

A Summary Of The Divine Plan

http://www.heavendwellers.com/hd_summary_of_divine_plan.htm
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

AshaMithra

I think the last one you listed is Annihilationist.

FineLinen

5th Eon =

This is the eon of the new creation. All the conditions are again changed radically, including the physical laws. It is "the day of God:" All that related to Adam, to the old humanity has now passed away, engulfed by the new humanity. All creation is absorbed by the heavenly sphere, except for those who are, so to speak, already outside creation in the above heavenly sphere.

The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Words cannot describe the glory of this age. One can, however, say that there is no sea, no suffering, no night and day, no death, no Temple, no curse, no sin. God dwells with men, Christ reigns with the Father.

Creation has been brought to the state it was in the first eon, but with this difference: it has learned, through God's infinite grace and the Son's sacrifice, to make good use of its freedom. In this way can creation attain perfection.

God all in all. God has reached His goal, and in so doing has achieved the impossible: He has increased His glory by creating and perfecting His creature. He is all in all. There is, therefore, no more Mediator, King, Priest. The Son has accomplished His work and possesses the glory which was His before His humiliation. The creature, through its communion with the Son, is raised with Him: it has reached perfect love, absolute freedom, by freely accepting God's will and thus forms a glorious unity.

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

AshaMithra

#3
Doesn?t change the likelihood that website is preaching about the ultimate destruction of the wicked. Read their articles on Hell.

http://www.heavendwellers.com/hd_torment_or_annihilation_9.htm

QuoteHELL: TORMENT OR ANNIHILATION?

PART IX

The Cosmological Implications of Eternal Torment

A final objection to the traditional view of hell is that eternal torment presupposes an eternal existence of a cosmic dualism. Heaven and hell, happiness and pain, good and evil would continue to exist forever alongside each other. It is impossible to reconcile this view with the prophetic vision of the new world in which there shall be no more "mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away" (Rev 21:4). How could crying and pain be forgotten if the agony and anguish of the lost were at sight distance, as in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)?

The presence of countless millions forever suffering excruciating torment, even if it were in the camp of the unsaved, could only serve to destroy the peace and happiness of the new world. The new creation would turn out to be flawed from day one, since sinners would remain an eternal reality in God?s universe and God would never be "everything to every one" (1 Cor. 15:28). John Stott asks, "How can God in any meaningful sense be called ?everything to everybody? while an unspecified number of people still continue in rebellion against Him and under His judgment. It would be easier to hold together the awful reality of hell and the universal reign of God if hell means destruction and the impenitent are no more."95

The purpose of the plan of salvation is ultimately to eradicate the presence of sin and sinners from this world. It is only if sinners, Satan, and the devils ultimately are consumed in the lake of fire and experience the extinction of the second death that we truly can say that Christ?s redemptive mission has been an unqualified victory. "Victory means that evil is removed, and nothing remains but light and love. The traditional theory of everlasting torment means that the shadow of darkness hangs over the new creation forever."96

To sum up, we can say that from a cosmological perspective the traditional view of hell perpetrates a cosmic dualism that contradicts the prophetic vision of the new world where the presence of sin and sinners is forever passed away (Rev 21:4).

Conclusion. In concluding this study of the various views of hell, it is important to remind ourselves that the doctrine of the final punishment is not the Gospel but the outcome of the rejection of the Gospel. It is by no means the most important doctrine of Scripture, but it certainly affects the way we understand what the Bible teaches in other vital areas such as human nature, death, salvation, God?s character, human destiny, and the world to come.

The traditional view of hell as eternal torment is either Biblical or unbiblical. We have sought the answer in God?s Word and have found no Biblical support for it. What we found is that traditionalists have tried to interpret the rich language and imageries of destruction of the wicked in the light of the Hellenistic view of human nature and of ecclesiastical dogma rather than on the basis of accepted methods of Biblical interpretation.

Today the traditional view of hell is being challenged and abandoned by respected scholars of different religious persuasions, on the basis of Biblical, moral, judicial, and cosmological considerations. Biblically, eternal torment negates the fundamental principle that the ultimate wages of sin is death, cessation of life, and not eternal torment. Furthermore, the rich imagery and language of destruction used throughout the Bible to portray the fate of the wicked clearly indicate that their final punishment results in annihilation and not eternal, conscious torment.

Morally, the doctrine of eternal conscious torment is incompatible with the Biblical revelation of divine love and justice. The moral intuition God has implanted within our consciences cannot justify the insatiable cruelty of a God who subjects sinners to unending torments. Such a God is like a bloodthirsty monster and not like the loving Father revealed to us by Jesus Christ.

Judicially, the doctrine of eternal torment is inconsistent with the Biblical vision of justice, which requires the penalty inflicted to be commensurate with the evil done. The notion of unlimited retaliation is unknown to the Bible. Justice could never demand a penalty of eternal pain for sins committed during a mere human lifetime, especially since such punishment accomplishes no reformatory purpose.

Cosmologically, the doctrine of eternal torment perpetuates a cosmic dualism that contradicts the prophetic vision of the new world, from which sin and sinners have forever passed away. If agonizing sinners were to remain an eternal reality in God?s new universe, then it hardly could be said that there shall be no more "mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away" (Rev 21:4).

The traditional view of hell as conscious torment is in trouble today. The objections to such a view are so strong and the support so weak that more and more people are abandoning it, adopting instead the notion of universal salvation in order to avoid the sadistic horror of hell. To salvage the important Biblical doctrine of the final judgment and punishment of the wicked, it is important for Biblically-minded Christians to reexamine what the Bible really teaches about the fate of the lost.

Our careful investigation of the relevant Biblical data has shown that the wicked will be resurrected for the purpose of divine judgment. This will involve a permanent expulsion from God?s presence into a place where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth. After a period of conscious suffering as individually required by divine justice, the wicked will be consumed with no hope of restoration or recovery. The ultimate restoration of believers and the extinction of sinners from this world will prove that Christ?s redemptive mission has been an unqualified victory. Christ?s victory means that "the former things have passed away" (Rev 21:4), and only light, love, peace, and harmony will prevail throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity.

I am somewhat of a hopeful universalist, but I can?t in my right conscience support a website that isn?t immediately upfront and forthcoming about their statement of faith (this isn?t a knock on Tentmaker, but a response to the website that seems to support annihilation  :icon_jokercolor:). Of course, I might have misunderstood something here.

marie glen

Quote from: FineLinen on July 06, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
5th Eon =

This is the eon of the new creation. All the conditions are again changed radically, including the physical laws. It is "the day of God:" All that related to Adam, to the old humanity has now passed away, engulfed by the new humanity. All creation is absorbed by the heavenly sphere, except for those who are, so to speak, already outside creation in the above heavenly sphere.

The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Words cannot describe the glory of this age. One can, however, say that there is no sea, no suffering, no night and day, no death, no Temple, no curse, no sin. God dwells with men, Christ reigns with the Father.

Creation has been brought to the state it was in the first eon, but with this difference: it has learned, through God's infinite grace and the Son's sacrifice, to make good use of its freedom. In this way can creation attain perfection.

God all in all. God has reached His goal, and in so doing has achieved the impossible: He has increased His glory by creating and perfecting His creature. He is all in all. There is, therefore, no more Mediator, King, Priest. The Son has accomplished His work and possesses the glory which was His before His humiliation. The creature, through its communion with the Son, is raised with Him: it has reached perfect love, absolute freedom, by freely accepting God's will and thus forms a glorious unity.

Amen! - The lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow - Isaiah 11:7. Jesus is, quote - the first, greek word proto. Surely He is the prototype! Amen for - we shall be like him. How else can paradise/perfection be paradise? Unless - all in heaven and Earth, Eph.1:10, be thoroughly inoculated  against straying/imperfection.. this twilight zone, lol.
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Song

Another good quote about Jesus being first is that He is the cornerstone. Whenever someone builds a building, the first brick they lay down as part of the foundation is the cornerstone. It essentially holds the whole weight of the building, because what building can stand up without a corner? It's impossible to start building anything without first placing the first brick, Jesus Christ.

QuoteEphesians 2:19-22 Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Psalm 118:22-23
The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the LORD?s doing;

Isaiah 28:16 A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;

Matthew 21:42-44 Jesus said to them, ?Have you never read in the Scriptures:
The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the LORD?s doing,

It's so important that Jesus even repeats the Old Testament line to people again!

It's like how in the Judgment Throne of Christ, all of our works will be judged on the basis of whether they were built off Jesus Christ or not. Someone could do many good works in life, but if they have no good works, it's like their building is made of straw and blows over at the slightest gust of wind.

Quote2 Corinthians 5:9 herefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him

https://jesus-saves-all.com/
- Harold Samson(g)
I will praise the name of God with song Psalm 69:30

marie glen

"I will draw ALL to Me." [Jesus, Jn.12:32] Written in the pattern of the Holy Days? an image - https://inner-monastery.blogspot.com
Enter The Story Annual Reading Schedule ~ https://inner-monastery.blogspot.com/p/daily.html

FineLinen

 Since we are now joined to Christ, we have been given the treasures of redemption by his blood the total cancellation of our sins all because of the cascading riches of his grace. This superabundant grace is already powerfully working in us, releasing all forms of wisdom and practical understanding. And through the revelation of the Anointed One, he unveiled his secret desires to us the hidden mystery of his long-range plan, which he was delighted to implement from the very beginning of time. And because of God's unfailing purpose, this detailed plan will reign supreme through every period of time until the fulfillment of all the ages finally reaches its climax when God makes all things new in all of heaven and earth through Jesus Christ.  ~MSG
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?