Adam was not the first man , but let's take a closer look at him. By

[Mickiel]

In my view by 10,000 BC homo sapiens had already populated the planet. They were here They we're the first to use seeds to grow food.God created humans on day 6, then rested on day 7.Adam comes along in chapter 2.  Weather God created all the earth in 6 days or four billion years is irrelevant to me. It's no way of knowing some things. The biblical message does not hinge on Adam.  Many people reject the the Bible because of traditional interpretation of Genesis.

Civilization first began in Mesopotamia over 5 thousand years ago. I will not go into all That history. But 1Corinth. 15:45 Adam is clearly called the first man , which clearly steps all over archeology. In my view Adam was the first man created with a spirit consciousness. I know this is a huge jump, but I don't think the humans before him were fully conscious beings. Let me pause and let some of you choke.

[Mickiel]

I have seen estimates as old as 336,000 BC. Fossil finds  of humans at Jebel Inbound , Morocco.
That's a long time ago.

[Mickiel]

I have seen estimates as old as 336,000 BC. Fossil finds  of humans at Jebel Inbound , Morocco.
That's a long time ago.
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So how do we square this with scripture?]

[Mickiel]

 1 want to  say I believe in Neanderthal man, and this is how they differed from Adam. Adam was made from the dust of the ground, God breathes into his nose the breath of life, and he became a living soul , and the first human like that. Gen. 1:7- I don't think "Cave men", as were call them were created like Adam was. Adam had a full blown thinking consciousness  After Adam, civilization takes a huge left turn and suddenly civilizations start booming. God kept Adam and Eve in the garden because he had things for them to do.

[Mickiel]

Not being made in God's image is how the humans created before Adam were made. They we're not in God's image, God's image means his consciousness , we can think and reason and have a beginning knowledge of good and evil. We have a "Spirit" in us that cromagnon did not have. Only the children of Adam were civilized in very high stages. The Neanderthal and Cromagnon had very high instincts, no doubt about it. The only book I would suggest reading on could there have been a race of humans who had no consciousness is Julian Jaynes excellent work on consciousness, it changed my thinking entirely.entitled " The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bi-cameral mind." A stunning work , easily the best book I have ever read. He was an intellectual and writes like one, ( I warn you). Some may find it boring, I think it is explains why Adam is called the first man, he was the first that God personally blew into him the breath of a differing life than those humans before him. God changed the world through Adam. Now there is a spirit in every human.

[Mickiel]

Pre-Adamite humans is a theological belief that humans before Adam were a lower level humanoid. Did they evolve? Yes I think so , but notice from the intellectual life of a man, his culture and history, religion and science , is different from anything else we know of in the universe. That is a fact. It's as if all life after Adam, evolved to a certain point , and then After Adam our consciousness turned at a right angle and simply exploded in a different direction. But we were never continuous with the idiotic lineage of non speaking ape's.  Science may find that insulting, so do I.


We have to consider ancient Egypt , 3150 BCE

Indus Valley 3300BC

Norte Chico Era  4000BCE

Mesopotamia 6,550

Jiahu 7000 BC

And Ghazal 720

So I believe Adam and Eve were created prior to the Egyptian civilization. I am not sure, I am no Gary Amirault,  he was a brilliant biblical historian. I am trying to establish when Adam was created, because one of the things God used him to do, was to establish civilization.

[Mickiel]

Adam was the first Man with a full consciousness.. he was the first man God spoke to. He was the first man created in God's image. He was the first man , and only man , that God took one of his ribs and made him a wife. He was the first and only man that God married to a woman himself.  He was the first man to meet Satan. So Adam was first in many areas, these areas are why scripture calls him the first man.

[Mickiel]

Why God created the early Cromagnon and Neanderthal man I  am unsure. They could have been experiments . Prototypes perhaps.  Learning experience which God actually learned. ???


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[Mickiel]

In Romans 5:14 Death reigned from Adam to Moses, this may be where salvation begins , so early man may not be included in salvation.  1 Corinth. 15 : 22 As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive  So salvation begins with Adam , more biblical evidence that early humans were not like us.

[Mickiel]

Adam was the first Man with a full consciousness.. he was the first man God spoke to. He was the first man created in God's image. He was the first man , and only man , that God took one of his ribs and made him a wife. He was the first and only man that God married to a woman himself.  He was the first man to meet Satan. So Adam was first in many areas, these areas are why scripture calls him the first man.

We believers need to move traditional errors out of our belief, because it's hurting unbelievers. Like the universe and earth was made in 7 - 24 hour days. My goodness, no wonder Atheist laugh at religion. Those creation days could have lasted thousands of years. Why are you rushing it? God could have taken millions of our years, but the universe was not created using human time tables. Did you know the universe is some 13.8 billion years old? They measure time by looking for the oldest stars , and measure the rate of expansion of the universe . The earth is 4.543  billion years old , how silly  the 7 day creation must look to these scientists. And then there is Noah's flood.. why In the world of reason would God flood totally uninhabited  areas? Whew. We got this all messed up. Who knows what to believe?

[Mickiel]

So as In Adam all die, that evil knowledge that he consumed in the garden of Eden, is the root cause of how sin got into this world, into our churches, into our educational systems , and got in-between us and God. Adam was not deceived but he sinned, he did things God told him not to do,like eat off the tree.Now we are naked and must begin our growth there. In Genesis 3:13 Eve tells God that the serpent beguiled me and I did  eat. Beguiled means the serpent charmed her and enchanted her in a deceptive way. But this works out well for adam , he gains control of his wife and coming children. Before the curse Eve had to be aggressive  and perhaps bossy and manipulative of Adam. So God changes all that and makes Eve submissive.Effectly changing the course of human history to a man's world.

Because of Adam we men sweat when we do work , and we must eat whatever we can. Hard work , and work the ground because much of what we eat will come from the ground.Thorns and thistles will cut and bruise us. The modern world has made this easier with the ushering in of Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt ,ancient China and ancient. India. Men took the submissive curse of women and ran with it, causing much pain for females.

[Mickiel]

Genesis 3:20 is further evidence that early humans will not be included in our resurrection and salvation , because Eve was not the mother of these uncanny humanoids .Notice Eve was the mother of "All living ", and as history shows, these strange humanoids we're all died off distinguished.. Discontinued. As if it was a plan of God's, he even discontinued the strange animals that roamed the earth. Their archaeology shows some of them were big and dangerous.

So we need to figure why they were here and gone?

[Mickiel]

One thing God wanted Adam to do is bare many sons and daughters , as he did in  Genesis 5:4, Adam lived 930 years and begat sons and daughters.Adam learned an important lesson , in Genesis 3:22 God speaking, "The Lord God said" behold the man is become as one of us , knowing good and evil. So Adam was the first man to know evil and the Bible never shows sin defeating Adam again . Adam was still
different , Adam knew good and evil while he was still living in Eden. So he was spiritually wise but I have never seen him given the holy spirit.

[Mickiel]

Researchers have found the oldest Homo Sapiens remains on record in Morocco at at archaeological  site in Morocco near the Atlantic coast, finds of skull, face,  and jaw bones. Dated to about 315,000 years ago. The dead sea scrolls are 2000 years old. Manuscripts from associated Judean Desert sites dated as early as the 8th century and as late as the 11th century CE.

So Adam had nothing to do with the Bible being written or discovered.Paul viewed him as a forerunner to Christ. "A type of the one who was to come." Adam initiated human life on earth, so Christ initiates the new life of humanity.  Romans 5:12. So Adam is the first human to be used in the Bible. Beyond his use as the name of the first man, he was used in the Bible as a pronoun, individually as a "Human", and in a collective sense as "Mankind".

[Mickiel]

The name Adam means "Son of the red earth." It also refers to the reddish color associated with human skin. So Adam was not a white man , as he so often has been drawn. Without a picture of him we have to guess ,so we can eliminate certain races if we go by the clue " Reddish". Esau and David were "Ruddy", white people have to blush, I their skinned is rubbed harshly or brushed.Solomon and the Nazarites we're reddish. Or ruddy. British Israelism and Christianity has pushed that Adam was white. This has deception all in it. Ruddy in scripture, 1Sam.16:12, 17:42 describes David. Song of Solomon 5:10, Lamentations 4:7, Genesis 25:25. The color more fits what we call "Light Skinned Blacks" who were more olive skin tone in the Middle East. Science consistently classifies ruddy as brown. So more likely than not, Adam was a fair skinned black man, and Eve, and from the melatonin  here , Eve could have began all the races color in time, since they were living 900 years back then. Color and skin tone had little importance back then, until racism got into the bloodstream of humanity. The Hebrew word translated as brown  in scripture was, "Shachar", ( Strong's #7835).  It's short definition and exhaustive definition is "Dark" or black. Ruddy has nothing to do with white. That is one reason I left many churches, because they were too racist in their doctrines. They never even taught black presence in the Bible. Everybody good was white, and the bad people were black and cursed, like Cush or Ham or Ethiopian. I spent many years being angry at how my people were being influenced by so much racism.

[Mickiel]

We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. So why don't we all look alike?  Genesis 11, describes a time when humans rebelled against God by settling at Babel.Refusing to spread out into the world. Because of this God confused their language, and groups separated and moved away from each other. God restrained them  and they became genetically isolated , meaning they married and had offspring primarily within their group. As the years passed each group developed its own culture and ways of doing things. Genetically isolated  , certain physical traits became more prominet In each group. Those ethnic characteristics were wrongly considered  racial  characteristics, there is only one race. All of these people were simply people.
So Adam began all races and cultures , the color of each group began as"Melanin."  Skin tones began to vary.  The two forms of melanin are eumelanin ,( brown to black )  , and pheomelanin , ( red to yellow). Their proportion determines skin tone.

All this concerns Adam and Eve's influence on race and cultures. This is a side bar God wanted. Humans living in regions near the equator became darker , protecting them from intense sunlight. People in higher latitudes , less sunlight had lighter skin to produce vitamin D. People with dark skin had children with dark skin. However , people with middle brown skin have offspring with a much wider range of skin tones. In my view , Adam and Eve were created "Middle Brown" when those two complexion of skin tones mate, a much wider range of skin tones will result. And I am suspecious of Eves womb having a magnificent genetic variability with regard to skin tone. I think God did something to Eves womb.

[Mickiel]

God knew Adam and Eve would sin if left alone with Satan. It served his purpose In bringing Jesus into the game to score for all of humanity , to die in the place of sinners and rise again to offer eternal life freely to everybody.God had already drew his conclusions , and concluded all humans in unbelief , so he could have mercy on them all. Adam had to experience paradise , paradise lost , and in the end paradise That God and his creative crew remodeling heaven.

Adam falling into sin displays  the mercy of God by not killing him on the  spot.

[Mickiel]

Just knowing how God is, he holds a special place in his heart for Adam. He didn't demand perfection from Adam , but Adams reaction to God searching for him in the garden is revealing as to what sin can do to a human. Adam and Eve had a beautiful home in a special garden. Plenty of food to eat , no threat coming from any animals, just their love. Adam must have really loved Eve, to join her in disobeying God. They hid themselves out of shame and fear. Both of which were emotional damage quickly done in them by sin.

Failure and shame can be toxic in intimate relationships. Satan no doubt had his voice in their ears, "Your not good enough", which triggers feelings of inadequacy, worthlessness and inferiority. This hits men harder than women , so Satan was thinking ahead of how he would continue after Adam and  his generate.

[Mickiel]

God's search for Adam was short, God called his name and asked where are you? Adam said he heard him and hid himself because he was naked and afraid. God responds , who told you that you were naked,  have you eaten from the tree? Adam blames Eve by telling God he ate because the woman you gave me bid me to eat.



Now the stage is set.

[Mickiel]

God's search for Adam was short, God called his name and asked where are you? Adam said he heard him and hid himself because he was naked and afraid. God responds , who told you that you were naked,  have you eaten from the tree? Adam blames Eve by telling God he ate because the woman you gave me bid me to e

Now the stage is set.

God. Escorts Adam and Eve out of Eden and sin is escorted into the world.

[Mickiel]

Believing that Adam was not the first man , may be unbelievable , and believing the cave men were not conscious beings is a stretch of imagination , we must explain why Adam was not the first man outright , the obvious archaeology we have discovered -along with overwhelming fossil evidence , why God created the cavemen , we need to stop telling the world  the wrong interpretation of scripture.

This is why I know Adam was not the first man. So my opinion I have offered was Adam was the first man that God created with consciousness.The archeology and fossils are reliable discoveries. Adam was the first man in all the areas I listed earlier. Adam was the first man that God spoke to. If the cave men were of vast importance , scripture would revealed it. So could a whole race of humans exist and not be conscious beings? I think so. Most of the things I do in a day, I unconsciously do it. I wake up , go to the bathroom , wash and shave, dress myself,  turn on the TV , brush my hair, and I am willing to believe that I unconsciously do most of those things. I get in my car, begin driving while I turn on the radio, I drive straight because we cannot hit the curve concrete separating the car from the sidewalks. I do all this while brushing my hair and keeping my eyes on the road ,all while I steer the car. Much of this we unconsciously do. So I can conceive a whole race of humans that God had on automatic  existence , having very high instincts.

[Mickiel]

The seven NT scriptures that mention Adam, are of little importance to human salvation. Adam was like Bookend , he stood in his spot , and Jesus took it from there. That's about as much as I can offer on Adam.

[marie glen]

Began in Medopotamia..  :thumbsup:

But I tend to think 6OOO years are set for letting things run their course.. From that so visibke option in Eden, of straying/imperfection. .. :Chinscratch: And if it had not been there, thinking would?ve had to be absent as well?

So things are running their course, then is a 7th millennium, a Sabbath. And then! Another one, an ?8th?! As Rev.20:5 tells us that after the resurrection/rising of all believers at the Lord?s return ?the rest of the dead don?t rise until after the thousand years?.

And He had said - ?these (not yet saved/still wild weeds/goats) will rise into aionion-kolasis/eonian-correction? Mt.25:46. So when else can that be?

I believe man has regressed not progressed. There?s good scientific minds that find no reason to disagree with the simple and straightforward ?morning and an evening, one day? and each one summarized that way.

I actually did quite a bit of study kn that whole topic. Then after a while got tired  of that ?debate? as folks can get so rude (regressive not progressive, lol).

My thought is when our Father does the (btw, fiery) ReGenesis of Rev.21:1-5 (w/ 2Pet.3:12-13) will it be by trial and error? Or wll it take him thousands or millions of years?
:Peace2:

[marie glen]

?That's about as much as I can offer on Adam.

:Chinscratch: Actually quite a bit I see.. haha, I can relate! Right now I have 800 ?notes? (study things) written on my iphone. :laughing7:

[Mickiel]

?That's about as much as I can offer on Adam.

:Chinscratch: Actually quite a bit I see.. haha, I can relate! Right now I have 800 ?notes? (study things) written on my iphone. :laughing7:

Share some of them with us.