I feel like I am missing something. (Actually a few things)

[Dante]

I would like help from everyone here.
I am down with UR.
Yet,......I feel that there is SO MUCH MORE to learn. It is as if I am hungry and don't have anything else to eat.
If anyone has any theories about God, Jesus, The Bible, The Word of God or anything else, for that matter.
I wish them to post it here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't care how far out it may sound to you or anyone else.
I need to know more.
I have questions as it pertains to parts of Genesis and the "Gap" of the creation of man.
Is Jesus "LOVE" and if you follow love, that is all that matters?????
Satan as a force or a real demon.
What you believe the actual Lake of Fire is. (God)
In other words, I want YOUR insight on anything and everything.
I want to hear everything from everyone.
If you have put off posting, because you felt funny. HERE IS THE SPOT TO DO IT!!!!!
I just ask one little favor. Please be specific and clear about what it is that you believe.
Do not be vague.

Thanks much.

Dante

[SeekerSA]

Dante

Most of what you asking has been discussed, browse each board an get to know what is discussed where.  Use the search to find topics.

Blessings

[pneuma]

I have questions as it pertains to parts of Genesis and the "Gap" of the creation of man.

Hi Dante, there is no "gap" Gen.1 is a prophesy of what God did, is doing and will do.
Gen.2-Revelations is the fulfilling of that which is prophesied in Gen.1

Is Jesus "LOVE" and if you follow love, that is all that matters?????

Yep

Satan as a force or a real demon.

Both, he is a demon of force.

What you believe the actual Lake of Fire is. (God)

The first half of the CROSS.

In other words, I want YOUR insight on anything and everything.
I want to hear everything from everyone.
If you have put off posting, because you felt funny. HERE IS THE SPOT TO DO IT!!!!!
I just ask one little favor. Please be specific and clear about what it is that you believe.
Do not be vague.

Well Dante as I have been on 4 I think it is now tentmaker boards and have gone over these things a lot , and many here have already seen my views on these things, I am not going to go into detail on the points above, but if you are interested you can pm me and I will send my thought to you there.

God bless

[jabcat]

Putting together a response.  I see this as a good opportunity to review, and refine my understandings to this point.

[Raggedy Anne]

What you believe the actual Lake of Fire is. (God)

Pneuma's answer: The first half of the CROSS.

Anne's Question:

What is the last half of the CROSS?  I don't know if I am clear on what you mean when you say that the Lake of fire is the first half of the cross?   Would you mind elaborating on this cross-cutting?  (Most especially a specific explanation on what you mean by first half of the cross... ,and last half of the cross.   I think about the cross A LOT because I believe we are all ON IT NOW TOGETHER.   I do wonder how important is it for the cross to do it's work on us while we are in these mortal bodies.  I guess because I wonder if there is a good reason for me to be aware of this cross while others seem oblivious to all things pertaining to God and godliness.  And we're all going to the grave.   Does this cross we bear purify us in this life?  My answer is yes.  Just wondering if you think so , Pneuma.

Thanks -- Anne

[jabcat]

These are my understanding right now...Thankfully God's still teaching.

"Gap" of the creation of man. 
Right now pondering myself, wrt  a)  the "6,000 year" POV, b) that we're another creation, i.e., that there was a prior one, then the "disruption"/"became without form and void", now us POV, c) literalness vs. symbolism vs. prophesy.  Sorry, no firm conclusions on this right now, other than whatever God did is what I need to believe..

Is Jesus "LOVE" and if you follow love, that is all that matters?????

Jesus is absolutely love, and that is the bottom line and should be the over-arching principal in all we do.  However, I believe everything He says and wants also matter...a) understanding an accurately interpreted translation of scripture, b) having the Spirit lead us in all truth (I believe that will always hold up to a properly translated and divided scripture..that when it doesn't seem to do so, the weakness is ours, not God's or His original words and intent), c) holding to sound doctrine, d) declaring Jesus is the Savior of all men ("these things charge and teach II Tim. 4: 11) e) giving all glory to Father, f) attending to the acceptable form of worship in scripture, i.e., loving God and each other, and Paul said specifically, caring for the widows and orphans...all out of love for, and out of the grace and enablement, of Jesus.

Satan as a force or a real demon.

I believe he is a real being, I guess I'd have to say demonic...but one who a) did not surprise God by what he did/does, b) can only do as God allows or intends, as he is a tool in God's hands to help fulfill God's plans.. as works ALL according to the counsel of His will (Ephesians, 1:11).  I think Satan will either be destroyed or redeemed...as a believer in UR, I imagine, even though it "messes with my mind", that he would be redeemed.  IF Satan is in essence a spirit, don't all spirits originate with God, and then would return to Him?  I think, but not swearing.

What you believe the actual Lake of Fire is.

Right now, February 2008 and unless/until God shows me something else, I believe God's presence is in essence the Lake of Fire, and that everthing that's unworthy will melt away in His direct presence.  I don't believe anything unclean can exist in His presence...that "fire and brimstone" is "divine purification" in the original languages.  I still think that process will be painful, and we won't "get away with anything".

Let's see, any "miscellanea".... Denominations:  the confusion and division they cause is wrong.  Period.  That God is calling many (all, when they hear?) out of them.  When God was dealing with me about leaving the denomination, He very clearly led me to Revelation 18: 4,5, which is "come out of her [Babylon] my people, so you will not participate in her plagues [punishment]".  I still have some reservations about the meaning(s) of that verse, and I know people have different interpretations of it and of what Babylon is.  However, it does apparently basically mean confusion, and God very clearly and painfully (spiritually/emotionally) called me out.   

[gr8wuf]

WOW my world is rocking!

I love hearing viewpoints other than my own. Never ever have I heard that the lake of fire could be now. Very interesting. Was just getting used to the idea that it was a place of purifying. Thanks for something more to chew on.

[Pierac]

Hi Dante,   

I love it when someone wants to seek the truth, no matter what it may bring.   :thumbsup:

Here's a few left off the list
Tithing, is the human soul immortal, the Trinity, and a few others too.   :Book:

You have a banquet before you to eat.  :laughing7:  Just be aware, you will get different views from many of us here and we can't all be right.  :mshock:

Post a topic and enjoy the feast!  :wink:


Paul

[pneuma]

What you believe the actual Lake of Fire is. (God)

Pneuma's answer: The first half of the CROSS.

Anne's Question:

What is the last half of the CROSS?  I don't know if I am clear on what you mean when you say that the Lake of fire is the first half of the cross?   Would you mind elaborating on this cross-cutting?  (Most especially a specific explanation on what you mean by first half of the cross... ,and last half of the cross.   I think about the cross A LOT because I believe we are all ON IT NOW TOGETHER.   I do wonder how important is it for the cross to do it's work on us while we are in these mortal bodies.  I guess because I wonder if there is a good reason for me to be aware of this cross while others seem oblivious to all things pertaining to God and godliness.  And we're all going to the grave.   Does this cross we bear purify us in this life?  My answer is yes.  Just wondering if you think so , Pneuma.

Thanks -- Anne

Hi Anne, Yes the cross purifies us in this life.
The first half of the cross is the law
The second half is what come from the first half IE. Resurrection LIFE.
Without the first half we could never be raised into LIFE.

Well I was not going to post this put because there are newbies here, I will do so, for those who already know my views on this will have to just skip my post.



2nd death/first half of the cross.



Adam was already dying the first death (natural) and when he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (the law) he started to die the second death.

The second death is the ministration of the law our school master to lead us to Christ.



First let's look at the statement that Adam was already dying a natural death before he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (the law).

Genesis 2:16-17
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The literal translation of the phrase thou shalt surely die is dying thou shalt die.

Adam was already dying a natural death.

Paul goes into great detail on this point in the 15 chapter of 1 Co.

1 Corinthians 15:35-38
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Of note here is that which was first planted is not the body that shall be, and that what is first planted is but bare grain.

Bare here is gumnos which simply means naked.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Paul goes on to explain that the natural body (which is the bare grain) is sown in corruption, dishonour, and weakness.

All these scriptures tell us that the natural body (the bare grain) must come first ,then die to be raised a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45-46
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

That which is FIRST is natural and AFTERWARDS that which is spiritual.

The bare grain that was FIRST sown is not the body that SHALL BE (afterwards).

1 Corinthians 15:47-49
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

We all bear the image of the first man Adam which Paul has explain is sown in corruption, dishonour, etc. but we shall ALSO bear the image of the HEAVENLY (that of Jesus Christ).

Can we not understand by these things that Adam was already dying a natural death before he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (the law)?

Now as to the tree of knowledge of good and evil being the law.

Two trees in the garden both a figure of the true.

Tree of life a figure of Jesus Christ our tree of life.

Tree of knowledge of good and evil a figure of the law.

There is no actual tree that gives life nor is there an actual tree that gives us knowledge.

The law or tree of knowledge was the commandment THOU SHALT NOT.

What is this tree that can bring death to man?

Now we know that death comes because of sin RO.5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin.
Therefore we can see that it is sin that brings death to man , but what brings us the knowledge of what sin is?

The law. RO.3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Therefore the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law for by eating of the tree death entered into the world.
Now is the knowledge of good and evil ( the law ) sin RO.7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So we can see that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law, for it is only by way of the law that we have the knowledge of sin.

Now we know because of 2Co.3:7 & Gal.3:24 that the law is a ministration of death and our schoolmaster that leads us to Christ.

Now as we have already seen that Adam was already dying a natural death before eating of the law and that which is natural is first and afterwards that which is spiritual we can understand that the death spoken of by God in the phrase dying thou shalt die encompasses both the FIRST death in dying and the SECOND death in die.

And that the second death which is mentioned is in reference to the LAW.

Now if you will bear with me for a moment longer I hope to make this a little more clearer if I can.

We read in

Romans 3:19
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Galatians 3:23
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Galatians 4:4-5
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Now we can understand what is stated in

Revelation 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

A thousand years is as one day, today is the day of salvation, we are to rule and reign with Christ TODAY. If we wait to rule and reign with Christ in some future time we will find ourselves being judged by the law according to our works.

Those in the first resurrection are those who are led by the Spirit, the LAW no longer has any POWER over them but they have become ONE with the law.


The law is spiritual and it is the spirit of the law that works death in us.

When people look at the law they look at it in letter and that is why sin takes a hold and does what it does. But the law is spiritual and always has been, but people don't realise this, they only see the letter. And this is where many make their mistake, seeing in letter that which is spiritual. The law is not done away with only our understanding of the letter of the law is done away with, when we walk in the spirit we understand spiritual things, thus we now fulfill the spiritual law.

The commandment to love God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength is as spiritual today as it was when God first proclaimed it way back when.

We have all read how the stone was rejected, and the stone of course is Christ and many today still reject the stone wherein we find the DABAR/LOGOS of God.

If the words that are written in stone are rejected and of no further use why do so many then fulfill them when walking in the spirit?

It because they are SPIRITUAL and only those who walk in the spirit understand them.

The law is our school master to lead us to Christ, now what do the scriptures tell us about who leads us to Christ? Is it not the Holy Spirit? Is it not God?

No one can come unto Jesus unless the Father draws them.

What! is there another way one is drawn to Christ then by the Father?

So for many it would seem, for they believe the law is a letter and by that letter we are drawn to Christ and then the letter is of no further use.

But what I see is that the law is SPIRITUAL and the very LOGOS of God.
Thus the death and the drawing are all of GOD and not by any letter.

And it is NOT until people realise that the law is SPIRITUAL and not of the letter will they continue to believe that which is SPIRITUAL is destroyed.

We are not under the law as a tutor anymore because the law/LOGOS has become a part of who we are.

God bless

P.S. Anne and Dante or anyone else reading that might like to further understanding of what I just said, I go into this in more detail in an artical I wrote called the Great White Throne, I would post this artical but it is to long to go into one post but if you would like it please pm me and I'll send it to you via email.

[Merks]

Blessings fellow Tent Dwellers!

I wonder if anyone would happen to have Pneuma's email address or perhaps a copy of the article he mentions below called "Great White Throne?" I am interested in reading this article as I find his thoughts above to be very stimulating.

Merks

P.S. Anne and Dante or anyone else reading that might like to further understanding of what I just said, I go into this in more detail in an artical I wrote called the Great White Throne, I would post this artical but it is to long to go into one post but if you would like it please pm me and I'll send it to you via email.

[marie glen]

...I know this was posted some time ago.. but, :gsmile:

I would like help from everyone here.
I am down with UR.
Yet,......I feel that there is SO MUCH MORE to learn. It is as if I am hungry and don't have anything else to eat.
If anyone has any theories about God, Jesus, The Bible, The Word of God or anything else, for that matter.
I wish them to post it here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't care how far out it may sound to you or anyone else.
I need to know more.
I have questions as it pertains to parts of Genesis and the "Gap" of the creation of man.
Is Jesus "LOVE" and if you follow love, that is all that matters?????
Satan as a force or a real demon.
What you believe the actual Lake of Fire is. (God)
In other words, I want YOUR insight on anything and everything.
I want to hear everything from everyone.
If you have put off posting, because you felt funny. HERE IS THE SPOT TO DO IT!!!!!
I just ask one little favor. Please be specific and clear about what it is that you believe.
Do not be vague.

Thanks much.

Dante

:Chinscratch: Why not read the Bible? Especially what I think of as our loaf - our daily bread.. (in comparison, how often do we have to eat?) --- Jesus' instructions on the eve of His arrest and crucifixion ? - the bread and the new wind - oops, wine (edit) which as we know is the Holy Spirit, our teacher, etc.

Don't let the error translators made, translating five words into `hell` bother you! Those are easy to see the error of, how originally, death was "Sheol" - "where there is neither thought nor doing" Ecclesiastes 9:10.

Even Israel absorbed the nation's gnostic/pagan ideas of natural human immortality and afterlife torment for those who had been bad in life - likely a philosophy and idea put out by an ancient king and priest collusion to control the people..

Thus, also, even the Hebrew language had these things sneak into it. :faint: ..so that sheol became a little more than simply the grave.. lower part of the Earth however is still (imo) the dust of the grave.. Jesus said a time comes when all in the tombs will hear His voice and will rise, some to the resurrection of light, and some to a resurrection of judgment (/review? And atonement? --- See Ps.22:27 & Jn.12:32!)
:Peace2:

[Patinak]

Blessings fellow Tent Dwellers!

I wonder if anyone would happen to have Pneuma's email address or perhaps a copy of the article he mentions below called "Great White Throne?" I am interested in reading this article as I find his thoughts above to be very stimulating.

Merks

P.S. Anne and Dante or anyone else reading that might like to further understanding of what I just said, I go into this in more detail in an artical I wrote called the Great White Throne, I would post this artical but it is to long to go into one post but if you would like it please pm me and I'll send it to you via email.

Michael,
If you happen to get a response about Pneuma's article, would you message me.  I would like to hear more about what he thinks also.
Thanks,
Pat

[Merks]

Hi Pat,
     I sure will ... Perhaps a MOD will have a copy or know Pneuma's email address.

Gospel Blessings,
Merks

[jabcat]

I've looked, so far unable to find anything.

[sheila]

 :2c:while the salvationofallisaPearlof great price..there  is much much more.Waters of life coming forth from your bellydoesNOT

leave you hungering or thirsting for more. GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT=Jesus ability to keep and present all menspotless

and blameless[it was granted that she be clothed in clean white linen./take away all their sin]

   TOL,Crown of life,2nddeath NOT hurt,hidden manna,white stone,new name,authority over the nations,the morning star,dressed inwhite

  name never blotted from Book of life,Jesus acknowledge you before Father and the angels[notsay Idon'tknowyou]

be kept from hour of trial and test,made a pillar,name NewJerusalemgiven,andJesusNewName,RIGHT TO SIT WITH ME ON MY THRONE

all these things are part and parcel of our spiritual linheritance...BUT  wemustby following the Holy spirit in obedience and the spirit of

truth must be led into all these things and overcome the deception of Satan and his false messengers to possess these things on this

side..All men will be raised up in Christ's image and inherit these things on the other side.  :girlheart:

[marie glen]

2nd death/first half of the cross.

Adam was already dying the first death (natural) and when he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (the law) he started to die the second death.

Paul goes into great detail on this point in the 15 chapter of 1 Co.

1 Corinthians 15:35-38
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Of note here is that which was first planted is not the body that shall be..
...

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Paul goes on to explain that the natural body (which is the bare grain) is sown in corruption, dishonour, and weakness.

All these scriptures tell us that the natural body (the bare grain) must come first ,then die to be raised a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45-46
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

That which is FIRST is natural and AFTERWARDS that which is spiritual.

The bare grain that was FIRST sown is not the body that SHALL BE (afterwards).

1 Corinthians 15:47-49
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

We all bear the image of the first man Adam which Paul has explain is sown in corruption, dishonour, etc. but we shall ALSO bear the image of the HEAVENLY (that of Jesus Christ).

Can we not understand by these things that Adam was already dying a natural death before he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (the law)?
...

Two trees in the garden both a figure of the true.

Tree of life a figure of Jesus Christ our tree of life.
...

There is no actual tree that gives life nor is there an actual tree that gives us knowledge.
...

Now we know that death comes because of sin RO.5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin.
Therefore we can see that it is sin that brings death to man , but what brings us the knowledge of what sin is?

The law. RO.3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Now as we have already seen that Adam was already dying a natural death before eating of the law and that which is natural is first and afterwards that which is spiritual we can understand that the death spoken of by God in the phrase dying thou shalt die encompasses both the FIRST death in dying and the SECOND death in die.

:thumbsup: ..."You were dead.." Col.2:13

Therefore the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law

?

Romans 3:19
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Galatians 3:23
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Galatians 4:4-5
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

.."slave to sin"
"and anyone who is a slave is not for ever a member of the family" Jesus to the Pharisees, Jn.8?

Now we can understand what is stated in

Revelation 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

:thumbsup:

A thousand years is as one day, today is the day of salvation, we are to rule and reign with Christ TODAY. If we wait to rule and reign with Christ in some future time we will find ourselves being judged by the law according to our works.

..but will be much more full after resurrection/perfecting, when will be put on, inability of corruption and immortality (same, or two sides to the one coin).. All of the body.. "Chist the head" and "forever preeminent"

Those in the first resurrection are those who are led by the Spirit, the LAW no longer has any POWER over them but they have become ONE with the law.

The law is spiritual and it is the spirit of the law that works death in us.

The primary law (imo) being that God is both life and perfection. Life itself. That makes any thought, word, doing, out of His will to be the opposite of life.

"Good and evil" Same as, Life and death. I believe this is a forever truth. And it locks all things up into perfection / and His will! But, all rational beings SIMPLY HAVE TO understand that supreme and primacy law. Two ways - one is life, the other is only ever ruin.. The wage/result of sin/"missing-the-mark", is death.

...

when we walk in the spirit we understand spiritual things, thus we now fulfill the spiritual law.

..amen, by "grace" / His Spirit within  :dsunny:

The commandment to love God with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength is as spiritual today as it was when God first proclaimed it way back when.
....

But what I see is that the law is SPIRITUAL and the very LOGOS of God.
Thus the death and the drawing are all of GOD and not by any letter.
...

We are not under the law as a tutor anymore because the law/LOGOS has become a part of who we are.

:iagree: He is "writing His law" (ultimately - Love!) upon every heart (Jer.30?)
All born again. Jesus is the prototype. :gsmile:

[marie glen]

:2c:while the salvationofallisaPearlof great price..there  is much much more.Waters of life coming forth from your bellydoesNOT

leave you hungering or thirsting for more. GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT=Jesus ability to keep and present all menspotless

and blameless[it was granted that she be clothed in clean white linen./take away all their sin]

   TOL,Crown of life,2nddeath NOT hurt,hidden manna,white stone,new name,authority over the nations,the morning star,dressed inwhite

  name never blotted from Book of life,Jesus acknowledge you before Father and the angels[notsay Idon'tknowyou]

be kept from hour of trial and test,made a pillar,name NewJerusalemgiven,andJesusNewName,RIGHT TO SIT WITH ME ON MY THRONE

all these things are part and parcel of our spiritual linheritance...BUT  wemustby following the Holy spirit in obedience and the spirit of

truth must be led into all these things and overcome the deception of Satan and his false messengers to possess these things on this

side..All men will be raised up in Christ's image and inherit these things on the other side.  :girlheart:

Amen! ..Especially - "GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT=Jesus ability to keep and present all menspotless" :thumbsup: :dsunny: