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Romans 8:20

Started by FineLinen, March 19, 2021, 03:22:14 PM

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FineLinen

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope (Romans 8:20)

Creature = ktisis

Made subject = hypotassō

Futility = mataiotēs

Not willingly = ou hekōn

By reason of Him = dia hypotassō

This is the situation:

Man did not choose to be a sinner. He was made subect to futility.

The hypotassō is by reason of Him who made it so.

To what end?

See verse 21.

"The creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay."

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

FineLinen

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"That's why I don't think there's any comparison between the present hard times and the coming good times. The created world itself can hardly wait for what's coming next. Everything in creation is being more or less held back. God reins it in until both creation and all the creatures are ready and can be released at the same moment into the glorious times ahead. Meanwhile, the joyful anticipation deepens.

All around us we observe a pregnant creation. The difficult times of pain throughout the world are simply birth pangs. But it's not only around us; it's within us. The Spirit of God is arousing us within. We're also feeling the birth pangs. These sterile and barren bodies of ours are yearning for full deliverance. That is why waiting does not diminish us, any more than waiting diminishes a pregnant mother. We are enlarged in the waiting. We, of course, don't see what is enlarging us. But the longer we wait, the larger we become, and the more joyful our expectancy." MSG
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

Ross

Some birth pangs do a lot of moaning and carrying on- could be why some embellish these claiming to be god'driven forces. They seem to be from the flesh trying to copy the real McCoy.
The reality exceeds the imitations.
Highlights the importance of one way only for all people.
Fellow brother in Christ

FineLinen

#3
Dear brother Ross, greetings again.

"You're blessed when you're at the end of your rope. With less of you there is more of God and his rule. You're blessed when you feel you've lost what is most dear to you. Only then can you be embraced by the One most dear to you. You're blessed when you're content with just who you are no more, no less. That's the moment you find yourselves proud owners of everything that can't be bought. You're blessed when you've worked up a good appetite for God. He's food and drink in the best meal you'll ever eat. You're blessed when you care. At the moment of being care-full, you find yourselves cared for. You're blessed when you get your inside world your mind and heart put right. Then you can see God in the outside world." -MSG

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?