Flat Earth

dash · December 05, 2020, 03:29:11 AM

I'm open-minded about the flat-earth theory. :dontknow:

So called 'science' has told so many lies over the years that reading 'science' books nowadays has about as much credibility with regards to reality as a comic book. :punish: In fact if you look back at old comic books you will see that they 'predicted' the future lol. (The two go hand in hand being organized by the same...claw).

The other day a thought came to me (with regards to the flat earth theory): :Chinscratch:

'If the Earth is a 'sphere' and 'spinning' (and this is what creates gravity); how come no other planets (or the moon) spin? :Chinscratch:
I look at the sky a lot and I never see anything else spinning. :dsunny:
And if they do not spin then they do not have gravity? And if they don't have gravity how can they be 'landed on'. :eek:

Another thought came to me (I had a sore head this day with exhausting so many cells at once). :laugh:

If there is no air in space; how come the sun is constantly burning? :Chinscratch:
Down here on earth you can't have fire without air.
If you cover a flame it goes out... :flamebreath:

I realize that 'science' has 'answers' to these questions but none of them are good enough for me, just like when they told us that leaving earths' orbit is 'impossible' BUT they have been outside earths' orbit to get to the moon. :Chinscratch: Riiiiiiigggghhhtt....
.....And they didn't consider the original moon landing recordings 'worth keeping'... Ooookkkkkk..... :dontknow:

Something here stinks more than Satans Jockstrap. :footmouth:

jabcat · December 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM

think we can pull this toward UR/The Victorious Gospel somehow? :dunno2: :laughing7:

:Peace2:

dash · December 05, 2020, 02:05:06 PM

Quote from: jabcat on December 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
think we can pull this toward UR/The Victorious Gospel somehow? :dunno2: :laughing7:

:Peace2:

Not really! :dunno2: Though if it was flat it would beg the question: 'Have we reached all the 'unsaved' yet'? (Since many depictions throughout the centuries of a flat earth show various 'levels' and other places where people reside (not just on the earths' surface)).

You have to give it to me, that was a good try?! :LH:

:friendstu: Honestly, I just feel that the Earth being flat is a possibility and if so, then to me it is a good idea to prepare for that possibility so it doesn't shock too much as I believe the revelation this is due within the next half decade along with a lot that has been hidden from most of humanity.

Please remove this post though if it doesn't meet your guidelines! :Peace2:

I was actually reading another post on here about the flat earth last night which someone else had posted a while back and that was why I thought it might be acceptable for me also to speak of it. - It was that which gave me the idea lol.

Lazarus Short · December 05, 2020, 03:13:34 PM

Dash, I have looked at the flat earth arguments, viewed their videos, and considered their evidence. I reject it, because of:

1. Bad logic.

2. Bad physics.

3. Selective evidence.

Now if you think a flat earth might be true, just consider what a lunar eclipse might look like if the Earth were a disk instead of a sphere...

Consider why all the other planets and moons are spheres (more or less)...

As for spin, consider that everything spins, even the Moon - it's spin is just the exact same period of time as its orbit around the Earth. It is tidally locked.

As for the Sun "burning," it is not because of normal fire or even nuclear furnaces - stars are an electrical discharge phenomenon. See the Electric Universe model.

As for the Moon "landings" I have serious doubts myself.

The only thing Flat Earthers need to fear is sphere itself.

dash · December 05, 2020, 05:39:10 PM

Quote from: Lazarus Short on December 05, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Dash, I have looked at the flat earth arguments, viewed their videos, and considered their evidence. I reject it, because of:

1. Bad logic.

2. Bad physics.

3. Selective evidence.

Now if you think a flat earth might be true, just consider what a lunar eclipse might look like if the Earth were a disk instead of a sphere...

Consider why all the other planets and moons are spheres (more or less)...

As for spin, consider that everything spins, even the Moon - it's spin is just the exact same period of time as its orbit around the Earth. It is tidally locked.

As for the Sun "burning," it is not because of normal fire or even nuclear furnaces - stars are an electrical discharge phenomenon. See the Electric Universe model.

As for the Moon "landings" I have serious doubts myself.

The only thing Flat Earthers need to fear is sphere itself.

Hi there. :Peace2:

I once rejected the flat earth theory but recently have come back to it.

The 'space' videos are fake (the astronouts) (Astro?-NOT!) etc... (Symbolism/lies/deception everywhere...)
The space photos are fake.
The Mars images are so laughably fake...
The fake 'moon' rocks NASA sold to different countries etc.
Satellite photos are fake, and so on...

I'm going to keep an open mind if it's all the same to you.
You know what Lazarus there are just so many lies out there...

I reckon in about half a decade we will all know the truth regarding these matters.

...Interesting times for sure Lazarus. Nice to meet you. :gimmefive:

marie glen · December 05, 2020, 06:36:10 PM

The biggest reason I believe the Earth is round is because of UR!

Rev.21 (and 2Pet.3:12-13s *fiery* regenesis) says the seas will be no more.. could be a bigger Earth too! But all folks from all earth?s years and ages, is a lot of folks! And they are all family. Getting to know them shall take almost forever and since the world is a globe, after traveling around it meeting folks.. well we just keep going.. could go round and round.. :gsmile: It?s the way I think! Very literally with plenty of metaphor about the literal..

dash · December 05, 2020, 07:14:57 PM

Quote from: marie glen on December 05, 2020, 06:36:10 PM
The biggest reason I believe the Earth is round is because of UR!

Rev.21 (and 2Pet.3:12-13s *fiery* regenesis) says the seas will be no more.. could be a bigger Earth too! But all folks from all earth?s years and ages, is a lot of folks! And they are all family. Getting to know them shall take almost forever and since the world is a globe, after traveling around it meeting folks.. well we just keep going.. could go round and round.. :gsmile: It?s the way I think! Very literally with plenty of metaphor about the literal..

That is interesting!
But I see that in the opposite Marie.

If the earth is a 'globe' it ends or it would be impossible to be a globe.

But if it's flat it has the potential to go on forever, (which gives credibility to a flat earth) especially since Scripture says nothing of a bigger or expanding earth so we would need the room...

Also with all this talk of 'ice walls' etc (in the flat earth theory) (and what may lie beyond those ice walls (more 'lands'? (infinite?)) and how many say that the ice walls keep the oceans in etc, (so if the walls came down the oceans would no longer be)???

Anyway...More to ponder!

Have a blessed day! :Peace2:

bushy · December 05, 2020, 11:07:04 PM

I once lived where there was an island in plane view of the town. When I first heard of flat earth I thought they were crazy but finally listened to a video that explained the rate of curve could be easily calculated. The top of that island should have been over 400 feet below the curve but the bottom was in plane sight on a clear day.

The person that made that video was an atheist and couldn't stand christians but now believes that God created the earth special for people instead of a ball of dirt flying through space along with lots of other balls, nothing special about it.

There are tons of questions but to me the 'scientific' answers are phony. Too many observable things that don't line up. And I also am really tired of being lied to about almost everything to where I don't take the official word for anything. It will be wonderful when we all know the truth about these things. The Truth will set us free. :dsunny:

Lazarus Short · December 05, 2020, 11:09:17 PM

Regarding the expanding Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

dash · December 06, 2020, 12:37:42 AM

Quote from: Lazarus Short on December 05, 2020, 11:09:17 PM
Regarding the expanding Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

A poorly made CGI video would never convince me of anything... It's one of many reasons I am questioning things. :dontknow:
Nasa has been doing such things for years with their cgi and video fakery.
An expanding earth is a 'theory' and (to me) it's not a very good one.

Thank you for sharing Lazarus. It's great people can discuss their opinions freely. Until we know the truth all we have is opinions and it's nice to discuss these things.

May the Lord open our eyes to these things in His time.
We must remember that the Devil deceives the WHOLE world.

A few weeks ago I asked The Lord to show me if the earth was flat if it be His will... And since then I've been learning so many new things I hadn't yet considered.

Thank you for sharing brother. :HeartThrob:

dash · December 06, 2020, 12:39:24 AM

Quote from: bushy on December 05, 2020, 11:07:04 PM
I once lived where there was an island in plane view of the town. When I first heard of flat earth I thought they were crazy but finally listened to a video that explained the rate of curve could be easily calculated. The top of that island should have been over 400 feet below the curve but the bottom was in plane sight on a clear day.

The person that made that video was an atheist and couldn't stand christians but now believes that God created the earth special for people instead of a ball of dirt flying through space along with lots of other balls, nothing special about it.

There are tons of questions but to me the 'scientific' answers are phony. Too many observable things that don't line up. And I also am really tired of being lied to about almost everything to where I don't take the official word for anything. It will be wonderful when we all know the truth about these things. The Truth will set us free. :dsunny:

:Peace2:

I hear you brother.

And what I find interesting about what you said there is that yes...
...'Science' would have us believe we are useless, insignificant nobodies who are just animals (so just do it like they do on the discovery channel)...
...We came either from 'nothing' or 'bacteria' or 'a monkey'.
The devil is laughing at people... He literally made a 'monkey' out of them..
(Or some 'experts' say a pig. - I've even heard 'rat'), or we crawled out of a puddle a few million years ago (the number of 'million years' changed a lot through history (who cares how many million right? - we are insignificant nobodies anyway so what's another million here and there?).
Every 'evidence' presented of evolution is a proven fraud (from the same 'experts' who tell us all we need to know about 'space') and we are all of course hurtling through infinite dark, meaningless, godless 'space' with no purpose and could get lamped with a big rock (asteroid) at any moment... Etc.

Yeah...I see how 'they' deceive. Someone told me NASA actually means: 'to deceive' if you search into the word's origin hard enough, just as 'astro-not means 'space- no' etc.

It's no wonder more people are questioning EVERYTHING.
It all points to God. To A Creator...

Have you seen the official NASA earth photos over the years... They are all completely different... Absolute fakery.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JfGKtL1zA4M/Vb-ldA58iDI/AAAAAAAAQJM/lV-zDVqgd8E/s400/zz1%252B%2525282%252529.jpg

Even the clouds are photoshopped on... (which is provable too).

In fact everything the flat-earthers say is provable it seems and everything the 'official narrative' says is fake.

Obviously if the sources of our 'education' were trustworthy I would believe them; but as it stands they are proven serial liars and fraudsters and worse!
It's pretty much a given that if such people say something is black it's really actually white.

I believe we will find the truth out concerning these matters soon brother.
Their global kingdom of murder, lies and worse is built upon sand and it's a-comin' down soon and fast!

Revelation 18:10
Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: "'Woe! Woe to you, great city, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!'

Thank you for sharing your views.
Peace to you brother.

:Peace2:

dash · December 06, 2020, 01:13:37 AM

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Consider why all the other planets and moons are spheres (more or less)...

When you say 'more or less' here are you saying that some other planets and moons are NOT spheres? (Or spherical). What do you mean by this? If you are saying some are not (and are flat) then could not the Earth also be 'flat'?

Also, perhaps Earth is completely unique from all the other moons and planets and stars and that is why it is not a sphere at all while all the rest are?

Scripture says that God created the two lights in the sky (sun and moon)... Perhaps that is their only purpose...Not to be 'landed upon'...But to 'give light' as the Scripture says?

I once heard the moon 'rang like a bell' (hollow moon theory).

Just some thoughts. :Chinscratch: :Peace2:

jabcat · December 06, 2020, 06:11:34 AM

Quote from: dash on December 05, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: jabcat on December 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
think we can pull this toward UR/The Victorious Gospel somehow? :dunno2: :laughing7:

:Peace2:

Not really! :dunno2:

Pretty good, pretty good, gang. :laugh2:

jugghead · December 09, 2020, 05:12:07 PM

Quote from: jabcat on December 05, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
think we can pull this toward UR/The Victorious Gospel somehow? :dunno2: :laughing7:

:Peace2:

Yes, we can

just like in the time that Jesus walked this earth, "grace" was only for those who believed in God, Jesus taught "grace" for all, a new concept of the time, and it became the majority in belief, but then slowly faded away as man has now reverted back to the concept of "grace" for only those who believe

at the time, people believed the earth was flat, a round (sphere) earth was a new concept of the time, and it has become the majority in belief, so just as UR slowly faded after the time of Jesus, is the round earth belief going to slowly fade away as man reverts back to the concept of a flat earth

So I ask, are we moving forward in understanding or moving backwards, now here's the kicker, in the concept of a sphere, by always walking forward we will always return back to where we first started, (just as we shall return to God, where we first started) but in a flat earth concept we have stopped walking forward and start going back to where we started

It is understanding the concept of a straight line and a circle, any given point on the circle can be the beginning and the end, but on a line the beginning and the end are as far from each other as possible, they become opposites compared to being the same thing, man considers darkness and light as opposites, but darkness and light are the same to God.

adding some thoughts:
At the time of people believing the earth was flat, to have an open mind was to open it to the possibility of it being round, now man is using the same concept of an open mind to get people to believe it is flat again.

men love the power of persuasion, the power to convince another what they believe (which by the way, persuasion and to convince are the original meanings in the concept of "faith"), man loves the debate, they love the fight more then they love being at peace, because in peace they have no power over another.

But these are just my thoughts and beliefs

Andrew · December 09, 2020, 07:02:28 PM

Jugghead, your thinking on this subject is very impressive :dsunny:

Posted by Jugghead

"Yes, we can

just like in the time that Jesus walked this earth, "grace" was only for those who believed in God, Jesus taught "grace" for all, a new concept of the time, and it became the majority in belief, but then slowly faded away as man has now reverted back to the concept of "grace" for only those who believe

at the time, people believed the earth was flat, a round (sphere) earth was a new concept of the time, and it has become the majority in belief, so just as UR slowly faded after the time of Jesus, is the round earth belief going to slowly fade away as man reverts back to the concept of a flat earth

So I ask, are we moving forward in understanding or moving backwards, now here's the kicker, in the concept of a sphere, by always walking forward we will always return back to where we first started, (just as we shall return to God, where we first started) but in a flat earth concept we have stopped walking forward and start going back to where we started

It is understanding the concept of a straight line and a circle, any given point on the circle can be the beginning and the end, but on a line the beginning and the end are as far from each other as possible, they become opposites compared to being the same thing, man considers darkness and light as opposites, but darkness and light are the same to God.

adding some thoughts:
At the time of people believing the earth was flat, to have an open mind was to open it to the possibility of it being round, now man is using the same concept of an open mind to get people to believe it is flat again.

men love the power of persuasion, the power to convince another what they believe (which by the way, persuasion and to convince are the original meanings in the concept of "faith"), man loves the debate, they love the fight more then they love being at peace, because in peace they have no power over another.

But these are just my thoughts and beliefs"

That may be the best Tentmaker post of the year... :thumbsup:

jugghead · December 09, 2020, 07:55:29 PM

thank you very much Andrew

dash · December 09, 2020, 08:23:23 PM

Quotemen love the power of persuasion, the power to convince another what they believe (which by the way, persuasion and to convince are the original meanings in the concept of "faith"), man loves the debate, they love the fight more then they love being at peace, because in peace they have no power over another.

The flat/round earth discussion (like all discussions) is a search for truth...A search for Christ (Who is truth).

Nobody here is trying to persuade anyone of anything to my knowledge.
In fact: my very opening line to this topic reads:
"I'm open-minded about the flat-earth theory".
We all have opinions on this matter and that is fine, but nobody is trying to persuade anyone! - We are seeking The Truth.

What is it in you that makes you see discussion as a 'fight'?

Hope all is ok? :HeartThrob:

jugghead · December 09, 2020, 09:24:18 PM

Quote from: dash on December 09, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Quotemen love the power of persuasion, the power to convince another what they believe (which by the way, persuasion and to convince are the original meanings in the concept of "faith"), man loves the debate, they love the fight more then they love being at peace, because in peace they have no power over another.

The flat/round earth discussion (like all discussions) is a search for truth...A search for Christ (Who is truth).

Nobody here is trying to persuade anyone of anything to my knowledge.
In fact: my very opening line to this topic reads:
"I'm open-minded about the flat-earth theory".
We all have opinions on this matter and that is fine, but nobody is trying to persuade anyone! - We are seeking The Truth.

What is it in you that makes you see discussion as a 'fight'?

Hope all is ok? :HeartThrob:

that was not a statement directed at anyone in particular, it is just a statement of mankind in general

in other words:
it was not a statement of accusation, it is a statement of observation

and it is my opinion that any statement of observation by someone can easily be misinterpreted as an accusation

dash · December 09, 2020, 11:32:20 PM

Quote from: jugghead on December 09, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
Quote from: dash on December 09, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Quotemen love the power of persuasion, the power to convince another what they believe (which by the way, persuasion and to convince are the original meanings in the concept of "faith"), man loves the debate, they love the fight more then they love being at peace, because in peace they have no power over another.

The flat/round earth discussion (like all discussions) is a search for truth...A search for Christ (Who is truth).

Nobody here is trying to persuade anyone of anything to my knowledge.
In fact: my very opening line to this topic reads:
"I'm open-minded about the flat-earth theory".
We all have opinions on this matter and that is fine, but nobody is trying to persuade anyone! - We are seeking The Truth.

What is it in you that makes you see discussion as a 'fight'?

Hope all is ok? :HeartThrob:

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jugghead · December 10, 2020, 01:12:57 AM

Quote from: dash on December 09, 2020, 11:32:20 PM
To spare you from any future 'debate' with me I will ignore your posts from now on.
Your posts are not worth my time anyway - having absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Thank you for proving my point

dash · December 10, 2020, 01:32:06 AM

Quote from: jugghead on December 10, 2020, 01:12:57 AM
Quote from: dash on December 09, 2020, 11:32:20 PM
To spare you from any future 'debate' with me I will ignore your posts from now on.
Your posts are not worth my time anyway - having absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Thank you for proving my point

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dash · December 10, 2020, 01:55:24 AM

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bushy · December 10, 2020, 10:30:56 AM

Well, I hope this can get cooled off a bit and continue with the subject. Because I think it is pretty interesting and should be able to be discussed in a friendly way. We should all have open minds about most things, otherwise it means we think we know too much. At first I thought people were going crazy to think of the possibility of a flat earth but when I finally listened to the reasons, they were pretty interesting and the ones explaining it were not nuts.

Dash said, "Also, to many people the shape or the earth is a deal-breaker as to whether they even believe there is a God or not."

This is what I found about quite a few who were discovering (for themselves at least) that the earth was created special for people by an intelligent creator and then started looking in the bible for what it has to say on the subject. Some long time christians and bible scholars who looked into it now say the bible is a flat earth book.

However, I won't go into it here and try to convince anyone about it and get into an argument, haha. The important thing is to have an open mind about most things which means, be teachable. Maybe we won't have to wait too much longer to learn the truth about a whole bunch of things as the new earth is born and heaven comes to earth.

dash · December 10, 2020, 02:04:02 PM

Quote from: bushy on December 10, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
Well, I hope this can get cooled off a bit and continue with the subject. Because I think it is pretty interesting and should be able to be discussed in a friendly way. We should all have open minds about most things, otherwise it means we think we know too much. At first I thought people were going crazy to think of the possibility of a flat earth but when I finally listened to the reasons, they were pretty interesting and the ones explaining it were not nuts.

Dash said, "Also, to many people the shape or the earth is a deal-breaker as to whether they even believe there is a God or not."

This is what I found about quite a few who were discovering (for themselves at least) that the earth was created special for people by an intelligent creator and then started looking in the bible for what it has to say on the subject. Some long time christians and bible scholars who looked into it now say the bible is a flat earth book.

However, I won't go into it here and try to convince anyone about it and get into an argument, haha. The important thing is to have an open mind about most things which means, be teachable. Maybe we won't have to wait too much longer to learn the truth about a whole bunch of things as the new earth is born and heaven comes to earth.

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jabcat · December 10, 2020, 07:00:06 PM

pretty sure 'dash' is marc who has stirred strife over and over for the past several years and has been banned multiple times and keeps coming back under various pseudonyms (against forum guidelines). I could "feel" something was wrong from the very beginning of his posting this time, but only showed his hand until the past 24 hours. He has been banned again.

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