Gary's view of Revelations was wrong!

[UniversalSceptic]

No disrespect RIP Gary, but he said that Revelations already happened back around the time it was first written. The coming Great Reset sounds like Revelations and biblical prophesy coming true. If Gary was wrong about that, what else could he be wrong again.

I mean no disrespect towards Gary, but as someone who just found out the Great Reset, I am terrified. Also, if the vaccine can separate us from God, then why would he save us if we take the mark/"COVID vaccine". Won't be belong to the devil then as our DNA is changed into being more satanic.

[darryl]

nooo...rev is hard to understand n maybe already happened..all that horror in there is hideous n not nice reading apart from the universalist bits which are implicit n prove UR

[UniversalSceptic]

Yes it's horrible, but what would a COVID vaccine mean if it is mandatory and changes our DNA.  Sounds like the Mark of the Beast to me, which means we are in or fast approaching the events of the book of revelations.

[darryl]

covid vacc is 95% effective bt long term effects (years)  not known..may be mandatory to 'protect' society ie if refuse to take become 2nd class citizen or whatnot.

[UniversalSceptic]

So you'll take the vaccine then? Someone who took the vaccine claimed that they couldn't feel God anymore. Said they "killed" God.

[jabcat]

No disrespect RIP Gary, but he said that Revelations already happened back around the time it was first written. The coming Great Reset sounds like Revelations and biblical prophesy coming true. If Gary was wrong about that, what else could he be wrong again.

I mean no disrespect towards Gary, but as someone who just found out the Great Reset, I am terrified. Also, if the vaccine can separate us from God, then why would he save us if we take the mark/"COVID vaccine". Won't be belong to the devil then as our DNA is changed into being more satanic.

Whoever's right or wrong (or combinations therof) I guess you disagree and have your own understanding?

Gary and I discussed these things, and he told me directly that he didn't rule out some/many things could have repeat/multiple fulfillments. 

  I have yet to see the person I personally thought really and truly fully understood the Revelation.  A book to be careful and prayerful about, IMO.   :2c:  :)
 

[jugghead]

A thought that came to my mind about the book of Revelation is this,

It's as if God said to man, "you think you can fully know me while still in the flesh, then figure this out."

My  :2c:

[jabcat]

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Rev 1:1
The revelation given by Jesus Christ, which God granted Him, that He might make known to His servants certain events which must shortly come to pass: and He sent His angel and communicated it to His servant John.

Matthew 7:6
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The unspiritual man rejects the things of the Spirit of God, and cannot attain to the knowledge of them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[rosered]

 

  Good scriptures dash........ pleasing the Lord of TRUTH,  always applies for all times .

  Believe in God that He IS ''THE I AM '' and is HERE NOW for anyone  seeking His face .

Hebrews 11 ?5By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death:


?He could not be found, because God had taken him away.?

For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.


6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.


  Jesus Christ is the salvation of God,  the Word made flesh though the Holy Spirit  witness that will not return to God void nor empty   but fulfilling all things .

Light of the World

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." -John 8:12


The Door

"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." -John 10:9



Good Shepherd

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." -John 10:11



The Resurrection and Life

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" -John 11:25, 26


The Way, the Truth and the Life

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -John 14:6
 

The Vine

"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." -John 15:5

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  Good scriptures dash........ pleasing the Lord of TRUTH,  always applies for all times .

  Believe in God that He IS "THE I AM " and is HERE NOW for anyone  seeking His face .

Hebrews 11 ?5By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death:


?He could not be found, because God had taken him away.?

For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.


6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.


  Jesus Christ is the salvation of God,  the Word made flesh though the Holy Spirit  witness that will not return to God void nor empty   but fulfilling all things .

Light of the World

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." -John 8:12


The Door

"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." -John 10:9



Good Shepherd

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." -John 10:11



The Resurrection and Life

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" -John 11:25, 26


The Way, the Truth and the Life

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -John 14:6
 

The Vine

"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." -John 15:5

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Rev 1:3
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear (understand)  the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.  :HeartThrob:

[jugghead]

All these, are replies, that should CAST OUT the spirit of fear

The book of Revelation has so much symbolism in it, and with each image that was shown to John, God had a specific thing in mind, so unless we know EXACTLY what God was thinking with each image that was presented to John, the best we can do is speculate, which is just another way of saying "looking through a glass dimly" (paraphrased of course).

All interpretations of the book of Revelation is always in accordance to what we already believe, it can't change unless we are persuaded otherwise (which the word "faith" comes from the original meaning of "persuasion" or "to be convinced")

my  :2c:

[marie glen]

A thought that came to my mind about the book of Revelation is this,

It's as if God said to man, "you think you can fully know me while still in the flesh, then figure this out."

My  :2c:

?The flesh? being of course in the carnal character, as the HS leads us to all truth.. And smen there is no reason to fear.. Imagine Joshua or Samuel fearing! :dsunny:

[marie glen]

https://bibleprophecy4today.blogspot.com/2020/11/revelation-is-greatly-misunderstood.html?m=1

Blog post - all you need to know about Revelation:

Revelation is greatly misunderstood, likely because it is told in symbols, lol. But an informed person has no reason to worry about its message. After all, worse case scenario - if not informed - His grace will carry one through.

     Some of Revelation and prophecy have occurred, but prophecy fulfillment is most often like ripples in a pond.. from smaller ripple to larger..

     I believe this to be proven by how the Greek word translated ?END? is ?tel? root of telecope.. And literally means ?end-aim?. And describes quite well, prophecy - its ?telescoping? quality. Like with the Lord?s two advents - first a smaller in scope fulfillment, and then larger in scope (global) fulfillment at the ?end-aim?.

     Putting the Revelation vision in a box labeled ?7 years only? or in any box, is imo irresponsible. And it doesn?t work!

      The vision is like a stage production with scene changes and meanwhiles.. And is like an orchestra of notes all chiming in (beginning) at different times.. and once begun continue to sound to the ?end?. Each scene may not have the exact same starting point. Is it any wonder it has caused much confusion?

     But! We are (still) at an important place in the narrative - namely chapter 7.

     Seal 6 had just occurred, in chapter 6, but since the seals are described - at their first - as their full effects, from first TO last.. Well, more confusion. The vision is veiled by this one tricky move alone. I am absolutely convinced that seal 6 is then held in check, which check we are still in (for now).

     And during this pause of seal 6? ?Harm not the land, trees or seas until we mark the foreheads of God?s servants with His seal?. A seal of clarity? (As it?s on the forehead.) TWO groups are sealed. How do I know that? Because one group is counted, and another is ?too many to count?. So there you have it. We should all get in line. I think this is very important. Of course He has to inform us of it before we can knowingly get in line.

    Then what? Said pause/check is interrupted - chapter 8. A HUGE sign. As was the first seal 6 event. WHICH, was Rev.13:13 also! But it pinpoints an OFFICE, not an individual (not yet anyway?) Confused yet? Don?t worry, once the pieces fall into place, it?s pretty easy to see.

     So what happens after this huge seal 6 (element of the age) recurs? The proverbial you know hitting the fan, does not happen yet? (I hope?)

     Not globally yet, I guess. So for most of us, not yet? But! it does no harm to prepare! First spiritually, then any way you are led by the Spirit/?the Helper? (God?s Spirit/Presence with us).

     A Brief Summary of What Happens, Followed by Some Keys to Understanding the Vision:

     After the huge, earthshaking crises (surely?) is when the two notorious ones, symbolized as beasts (!) will ?step up?. (Beasts in biblical language refers to kings and the governings of men (mankind). Rev.13.

     Beast one (13:1-10) rose out of the seas of humanity. A many headed geopolitical entity (of TODAY). Along with the littler beast, which carried out 13:13 (and prophecy buffs, please.. Isn?t it obvious?) and he rose out of the land.

     They bring about a ?seven year league/treaty with the many? which is broken in the middle with, you guessed it, Israel, in one way or ANOTHER(?) See Mk.13:1-2?

      Then 1,290 days, or that is about 3.5 years plus 30 days later, will be ?set up? the final desolating abomination, this time upon the human temple meant for God?s Spirit (surely!) The notorious 666. And the next verse? Daniel 12:12 - tell me, doesn?t that verse say ?happy is the one who waits, and comes to, 45 days later?? So there it is. Clear information. (Rev.13; Dan.9:27)

     Yet there?s also this - ?He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws? (remember prophecy repeats in larger scope) ?and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time? (1,260 days) - Dan.7:25. This means 75 days after Israel is betrayed (holy place gone) believers are in his hand and reach. Check my math:
betrayal -> 1,290 + 45 = 1,335
(See Dn.12:12)
betrayal -> 75 + 1,260 = 1,335

[Jacob?s trouble?
1,335 back 2,520 days; Mt.23:39]

    KEYS to the Revelation vision -
[1]to solve the Revelation Riddle you have to look at the world, not just the vision.
[2]the seals R described as their fuLL
effects 1st to last
[3]ch12 is an insert, vs17 needs mt23:39
[4]we r @ 7:1 (and chapter!) for now..
[5]it?s mystery babble-on, that becomes the global (on 7 hills/continents) wicked $ity, ch.17&18
[6]13:13 was an office, will ?head? 13:1, todAy?s geopolitical emerging
[7] in Rev.22 there?s narrative outside the vision..

The vision is told 3 times
(a) 6:1-11:19
(b) ch.12
(c) 13:1-19:11
Notice the matching of
6:1 & 19:11 - the ride of the white horse rider

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Rev 1:1
The revelation given by Jesus Christ, which God granted Him, that He might make known to His servants certain events which must shortly come to pass: and He sent His angel and communicated it to His servant John.

Rev 1:3
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear (understand) the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

As followers It's not about our  :2c: but about what The Lord says.
Let God be true and all men liars.

If one does not think revelation is knowable that is their own opinion - not The Lord's
The Lord did not have his disciple write that nobody could understand for He is not the author of confusion but so that His Saints could understand and be comforted.
To the rest it is 'veiled'.

Fear is not of God.  If someone has it; they lack God.

These words of course are not mine but the Lord's Whom I serve.

[rosered]

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Rev 1:3
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear (understand)  the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.  :HeartThrob:

  Amen!!!   being born again of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH .Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Healed by  the Lord Himself ,  given eyes to see and read  and ears to hear what the Spirit is saying and a new heart to understand and able to keep those  holy things  pure   in motive

  the gift of GODS mercy & great  GRACE from Our Lord Jesus Christ ..

Matt 13 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.?

  It is the spirit of rebellion /stubbornness   that does not put God first nor seek Him with a whole heart , but after the world / Egypt


The Worthless Treaty with Egypt
1?Woe to the rebellious children,? declares the LORD, ?to those who carry out a plan that is not Mine, who form an alliance, but against My will, heaping up sin upon sin.2They set out to go down to Egypt without asking My advice, to seek shelter under Pharaoh?s protection and take refuge in Egypt?s shade.?

Isaiah 1:2
Listen, O heavens, and give ear, O earth, for the LORD has spoken: "I have raised children and brought them up, but they have rebelled against Me.

Isaiah 1:23
Your rulers are rebels, friends of thieves. They all love bribes and chasing after rewards. They do not defend the fatherless, and the plea of the widow never comes before them.

Isaiah 8:11
For this is what the LORD spoke to me with a strong hand, instructing me not to walk in the way of this people:

Isaiah 8:12
"Do not call conspiracy everything these people regard as conspiracy. Do not fear what they fear; do not live in dread.

Isaiah 29:15
Woe to those who dig deep to hide their plans from the LORD. In darkness they do their works and say, "Who sees us, and who will know?"

Isaiah 30:9
These are a rebellious people, deceitful children, children unwilling to obey the LORD's instruction.

Isaiah 65:2
All day long I have held out My hands to an obstinate people, who walk in the wrong path, who follow their own imaginations,

Jeremiah 17:5
This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind, who makes the flesh his strength and turns his heart from the LORD.

Jeremiah 37:7
"This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Tell the king of Judah, who is sending you to inquire of Me, 'Behold, Pharaoh's army, which has marched out to help you, is going back to its own land of Egypt.

Jeremiah 42:19
The LORD has told you, O remnant of Judah, 'Do not go to Egypt.' Know for sure that I have warned you today!

Ezekiel 11:2
And the LORD said to me, "Son of man, these are the men who plot evil and give wicked counsel in this city.



Ezekiel 29:16
Egypt will never again be an object of trust for the house of Israel, but will remind them of their iniquity in turning to the Egyptians. Then they will know that I am the Lord GOD.'"

Zechariah 4:6
So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the LORD of Hosts.

Trust in GOD , not in your self nor others


John 14 1?Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. 2In My Father?s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you??

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid.

John 16:6
Instead, your hearts are filled with sorrow because I have told you these things.

John 16:22
So also you have sorrow now, but I will see you again and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.

John 16:24
Until now you have not asked for anything in My name. Ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.


Biblehub , is a wonderful  source for comparing the scriptures and meaning , I look often into the places that speak with the same witness , but we have to ask the LORD for His holy help to understand   LOVE is the only thing that works  Love for God and love for our fellow mankind , knowledge  causes swelling  pride and divisions  but LOVE edifies   and fills us with HOPE 
  and consoles , comforts (someone) at a time of grief or disappointment. and causes the fears to cease .

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Rosered.

Your words are life from the Tree itself to us the branches.
The Lord assures us: 'all who seek find'.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in Spirit and in truth.

Biblehub is an excellent resource!
Digitally I use 'mysword' on phone (android) which is ... Exceptional.

It features many (downloadable) translations (the user can choose), including a few popular ones with those of a universalist persuasion, including Youngs, Weymouths and recently Jonathan Mitchels.
One of the KJV versions has the strongs numbers built into it which is a useful study tool and a great time saver when it comes to using my large, old, heavy, dusty books!  (Though I cherish those old books very much!).

It is simple to use.

It is free and this page explains it's features in full:  https://mysword-bible.info/about-mysword/features

[dash]

No disrespect RIP Gary, but he said that Revelations already happened back around the time it was first written. The coming Great Reset sounds like Revelations and biblical prophesy coming true. If Gary was wrong about that, what else could he be wrong again.

I mean no disrespect towards Gary, but as someone who just found out the Great Reset, I am terrified. Also, if the vaccine can separate us from God, then why would he save us if we take the mark/"COVID vaccine". Won't be belong to the devil then as our DNA is changed into being more satanic.

Because someone gets something wrong does not mean that all they say should be rejected and human error should be expected for: let God be true and all men liars.
Gary may have changed his mind if he were still, let us say: 'Tabernacling' in his earthly tent.  However he is not.  He is with the Lord and his wife and son and away from the current chaos!

Some of my favourite Christian writers were wrong at times (even the highly respected: AE Knoch of the Concordant Literal Bible).
And yet I have learned from him from things he did get right (which was a great deal) and being a follower of Truth (God), I know that Knoch would have changed his views on various matters as new information has come to light over the years if he were still on earth today. 
He would be excited in these times of that I have little doubt.
Knoch wrote being clear that some things were his opinion only.
We must test things. - It's part of it.

I believe that Gary and Knoch would have been the first to say:
'Look to God first and foremost', as any true follower of God would.

Indeed there have been times I myself thought I was right about something and believed Knoch to be wrong, but upon further study it transpired that I was the one who was wrong and Knoch was right. - There is no shame in being wrong, but there is much shame in not being honest.
And how does one determine wrong and right? - God's word.
When we give our own opinion we should state that it is our opinion and does not necessarily come from the Lord.  The Apostle Paul does this in 1 Cor 7:12.
But when the Lord makes a thing clear there should be no dispute.
And so if the Lord tells us that Revelation is for His Saints to know about impending matters then it is true and men would do well not to argue about it, because their dispute then is with the Lord.
God has final say.

Which brings me to what the Lord says regarding anyone being lost in any way (possibly through a 'mark'/vaccine).

Ezekiel 18
Behold, all souls are mine.

Psalm 139:8
If I go up to the heavens, You are there; if I make my bed in the depths, You are there.

Would God be God if anything were 'outside' of Him?
"In Him we live, move and have our being". - Acts 17:28.

Gods' words are trustworthy and you can rest in them.

No vaccine or any of man's 'devices' can separate anyone from God ultimately.

Man may foolishly think he can outsmart God but that is infinitely ridiculous!

God had revelation's plan and ending in mind a very long time ago. - From the foundation.

We have to put in the work. - An unashamed laborer. (2 Timothy 2:15). 
I read in another post you were looking for someone to lay revelation all out for you but this cannot be...A man must reap what he sows for God to be fair.

Revelation is knowable or it would serve no point or purpose, but how many REALLY put in the work? - Very few; to their own loss.

Take for example the two witnesses in Revelation who wear sackcloth.
Many suspect these will be two 'literal' men (with fireballs from their eyes and bolts of lighting from their....)  :laughing7: and many have even decided they are probably Moses and Elijah.
This sort of 'guesswork' has gone on for centuries... All unnecessarily.
Revelation itself TELLS US who they are. 
"These are the two candlesticks, the two olive trees".
And so who (or what) are these candlesticks and olive trees? - What does this mean?  Are they literal men?  What do the represent?  Does Revelation tell us?
Well...  One must seek to discover.
And what is sackcloth? - And what could that signify?
Well...This prods us to make further enquiries to find out.
...And so on it goes...And on and on our learning goes.
Those interested in God will study. - Those who are not will not and simply tell you that it is beyond human comprehension.
The Lord has given His word that those seeking are finding.
And what a joy it is! - Truly a great honor to seek out what God has hidden! 

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

So I would say to you: Put in the work and reap the rewards. 
The husbandman that labors must be first partaker for the fruits.

2 Timothy 2:7
Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Let yourself be taught of God and that day won't take you by surprise!  God gives wisdom to those who ask.  But do not trust in men...Trust in God.
God has obviously brought you this far, which is a great deal further than most get.

Peace and happiness to you :friendstu:

[jabcat]

Rev 1:1
The revelation given by Jesus Christ, which God granted Him, that He might make known to His servants certain events which must shortly come to pass: and He sent His angel and communicated it to His servant John.

Matthew 7:6
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The unspiritual man rejects the things of the Spirit of God, and cannot attain to the knowledge of them, because they are spiritually discerned.

In context of prior posts, what is your point in these verses?  TY.

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Rev 1:1
The revelation given by Jesus Christ, which God granted Him, that He might make known to His servants certain events which must shortly come to pass: and He sent His angel and communicated it to His servant John.

Matthew 7:6
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The unspiritual man rejects the things of the Spirit of God, and cannot attain to the knowledge of them, because they are spiritually discerned.

In context of prior posts, what is your point in these verses?  TY.

Hi.  :gimmefive:

Simply that the Lord rewards those who dilligently seek Him. (Heb 11:6).

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 :iagree:  TY :)