men of God that deny universalism

[rosered]

  Wow  , you just wrote God is Love !!, while I was also ,   :dsunny: :HeartThrob:

  I have blurted out  to many of God is going to save all  mankind eventually.
I am a laughing stock  to many  folks right now and are afraid to speak to me  about God .
it does ''cut off the ears ''   for the hearing   . faith comes by hearing  the Word  and  they desire to kill the messenger  lol.. :) all the day long .

But I believe a seed has been planted .......   and just as a  seed in the earth or a grain of sand  is embedded in an oyster  , it may cause a lot of discomfort  to the  carrier  , it will  create a pearl of wisdom   or tree of life    in the end  by hope , and only by hope  believing  that all things are possible with God .
part of being persecuted   for telling the truth  is that  GOD is pleased  and not the evil and earth bound  spirits  , still needing to be set free  from error and sin and pride of life  .

Bind on earth as it is in heaven and loose on earth as it is in heaven     , given this power  to free up or bind up anyone  struggling with their conscience   is a good start   for them to begin to call out in the name of the Lord for themselves  and  learn  in error or in truth   what   the judgments   of GOD really means  to them on a personal level .

  I think the world will hate you but God will  love you as His own   and sometimes we have to decide  what is greater  to live with

  After reading Isaiah    4  and 5 and 6  , and reading the book of James
  I believe hell is the  lies our earthly/carnal   thinking has swallowed up   whole  and added to with one another against the TRUTH   ...    Believing  the lie  , that only a few can be saved  ,  God is just not powerful enough to save   the lost .
 
and we know that   life and death are in the power of the tongue  and what fruits of which spirit / Spirit we are  consuming of ..........

   this unruly little member of the body that  must be stopped from  lying to itself and one another ...  the judging in error from the tree of knowledge of good and evil  is the mixed tree  that brings both about  simultaneously   . we are worn out with all the confusion  and chaos  created by this tree that was always off limits  , Gods boundary that was crossed  to protect  the innocent .
 

hell and death go hand in hand  , hell is the fire,  and the unruly tongue that no man can tame without GODS HELP to overcome , Bringing  the wood  and hay and stubble , that  stinking death  must be  cleansed by ... it is a judgment of consuming  fire , that if you think about it , it is a good thing  , not somthing to fear  , but  accept as a part of learning   what GODS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS  DOING  in our earthly bodies ...   as to preparing to meet the LORD .
Isaiah's tongue was purified  with coals from the alter of God  , before he could even  speak the TRUTH  to others first .

   I cannot put up all those scriptures that has made me  come to this conclusion ....

My only hope is others will also seek and ask and knock   for those good gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT  , that has never disappointed me in learning  , all of the bad things as well as the good things that have made a big difference in our lives .

I have learned   I am not Jesus and not the savior  of  the whole world  and had to quit trying to be !! when I said  ignorantly I wanted to be like Jesus , I had no idea   how hard that would be to learn and how much I NEED JESUS  to save me .

His peace in my soul  so I can rest in hope and know the love of God is real and will prevail  in every man  in HIS DAY  OF THE LORD ....  Now after so hard a time I have learned to just wait on the Lord  to accomplish  His desire .

and be content  with what He allows and has given .   I can say trusting in God  has made things easier to  accept on the day to day .  till the end does come and I have no doubts that the end will come .   just hoping to endure till the end  as He promised it would  be  all made right  by Himself alone .

learning to patiently wait on the Lord and know His love is the greatest thing to ever know is one of the hardest things  we will ever do in this life , I believe ,. overcoming the world is not an easy feat  and impossible without JESUS CHRIST   doing the works  for us and in us and  by Him connecting with us.   the Light  swallowing up the darkness .   

 

[Abigail]

Here's a thought regarding the men (let's say people) of God who believe in hell producing good fruit such as healings as you allege. If you analyze their every aspect, I'm sure there are parts of their life/ministry/behavior that are not producing good fruit. Just from personal experience and talking and reading, there is some disconnect happening that will manifest itself in their teachings or their interactions and behavior. Anyone who believes in hell will have some bad side effect no matter how subtle, whether it's fear, other-ism, judgment, anger, or indifference. Yes they may have faith in other areas to produce positive effects, but this area will still drag them down and not allow the fullness of love/faith/trust/peace to be in their lives.

Hi Godislove,
I actually did not mean to say that the belief in hell does produce good fruit, but that people that know God and have the fruits of the Spirit in their lives, can also belief in hell in the same time.

I'll quote some more from Charles Slagle, since to me it is very helpful in this area and it might be for you too.
He said, ask the Lord to grant you grace to...:
- refrain from debating about this full gospel or being overly anxious to help others to 'see' it. Give the Holy Spirit room to work!
- forgive people who in the past conveyed the gospel inadequately to you - or perhaps even spiritually abused you. instead, thank the Lord that they gave what they had and ask Him to shower His healing and blessing upon them.
...
- not make this full gospel 'your subject' conversationally more than enjoying the Lord Himself and bringing His healing life to others. People who think a good deal, who have been deeply wounded, can fall into that snare while the devil throws a party! JESUS CHRIST MUST REMAIN THE FOCUS. (the early pentecostals had to learn the same lesson about sharing their newfound freedom in the Holy Spirit)
...
- be led of the Holy Spirit in all situations where the Lord Himself receives honor and - by His power - lives are transformed and healed. Even if it means on occasions He may lead you to minister truths that seem to reveal little or nothing of Christ's total victory.
- become a brighter light that attracts others to Christ Himself - and not just words and concepts about Him.
- not be hurt if some Christians misjudge you. Trust the Lord to do business. He will! Hasn't He always? Remember, some who misunderstand you today may be beside you proclaiming Christ to a needy world tomorrow!
- be at liberty not to go to great lengths to hype or to hide your understanding of the gospel. Just enjoy constant fellowship with the Lord and trust His light to shine through you.

[Abigail]

thank you for your encouraging words, Rosered!

[GodIsLove]

Rose, as usual your posts covered so much, and all of it was helpful. But I agree, it's hard to cover everything, it's so simple but also so interconnected and deep.

Abagail:
Thanks! That is helpful and it also is what I have tried to do. Initially I wanted to tell everyone but like Rose said, I'm not Jesus and I learned the hard way that it wasn't my job to save everyone or show them the truth.  So I pray silently often for God to give me the words, the timing, and the discernment when talking about spiritual matters. This friend I am mentioning, we both often talk about God working in our lives and we uplift each other by giving words that He gives us to share. But every once in a while certain topics come up in which I feel like I could share my beliefs and I hold back, and in doing so I feel like a part of God's glory is being withheld if that makes sense. But I guess since I've prayed for the words and timing etc and I have not said anything yet, maybe it's not Gos's Will that I say something? It's also hard just because as humans we want to share and be understood and connect to our fellow humans with our full thoughts and beliefs and to be holding back feels stifling to that connection.

[rosered]

 

  You both have blessed my heart many times .
  I enjoy   just reading more these days .but got to try and show the scriptures with so much influence  as to our hope within us growing  daily .

  To me it seems the HOLY SPIRIT is teaching  us l life lessons  and are experiencing   a lot of the   same things we all have in common .

I believe the Truth is veiled  and there are many many layers  of Truth to to be lifted , when we do lift up the Lord[The Way and truth and the life ]   He promises to draw  all men unto Himself , so we are to witness to the great things   we have come to  believe and see as the veil  being lifted  and the Light becomes  brighter  as to helping us all to see the Truth ..
  Paul had some amazing revelations  to share with us and one was the veil is still upon the hearts of the , those just given   the law of Moses to contend with .

as Christ has not yet become of effect them  them just yet .    they are as the Jews  still bound up under the Law waiting to be born again of the  woman [  a Mary ,chaste  virgin  to me is the purified mind /heart  ready to receive  the Christ child  ]  by the Holy Spirit to be conceived of the seed of Life / Word ..many will come though the Lords death and mainly remain and be sustained though His Life . 

We can see this as Jesus was born  as  a Jew  , born of woman under the law [Gal4 ] Sons and Heirs
...3So also, when we were children, we were enslaved under the basic principles of the world. everyone is a Jew under the law of Moses  first to me .  though Eve  the mother of all the living

4But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons....

we cry Abba Father of  the same Holy Seed and Same HOLY SPIRIT birthing   that Jesus Christ has made for us . though the same Word and SAME SPIRIT calling us His children , not as the slaves  , as to under the law but in Christ as to fulfilling the law  as of His own Body   to be set free [Gal 4 ]
  I do thank God for   the revelation of Jesus Christ   always  to Light up  our world and others  world also  as children of the DAY  as the darkness and ignorance subsides  or is swallowed up in Victory how ever small  the battle is won .


There are two types of revelation: General (or indirect) revelation – called 'general' or 'indirect' because it is available to everyone. This is often used to describe the way God is revealed through the natural world, conscience , people, awareness of morality , scripture or reason.
Special (or direct) revelation – called 'direct' because it is revelation directly to an individual or sometimes a group.
Gathering together in the LIVING GOD one by one


  to the pure all things are pure but to the defiled [ evil is present  as the bitterness has  taken root ]

Titus 1 Correcting False Teachers
...14and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of men who have rejected the truth.


15To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their actions. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed....

Proverbs 30:12
There is a generation of those who are pure in their own eyes and yet unwashed of their filth.

Luke 11:41
But give as alms the things that are within you, and you will see that everything is clean for you.

Acts 10:15
The voice spoke to him a second time: "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Romans 14:14
I am convinced and fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.

Romans 14:20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to let his eating be a stumbling block.

Romans 14:23
But the one who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that is not from faith is sin.

1 Timothy 6:5
and constant friction between men of depraved mind who are devoid of the truth. These men regard godliness as a means of gain.

Hebrews 12:15
Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God, so that no root of bitterness will spring up to cause trouble and defile many.


I have known bitterness  in troublesome times   and also known the truth  in the times of great refreshing 
  faith in God is what keeps us  and Hope in Christ  sustains us and the LOVE of God will bring us all home free . .
I am   ever so thankful for His great mercy  shown on us all .
  :HeartThrob:

[darryl]

Hi Abagail

I'm in the same boat as you. It doesn't make sense to me why the ET Christians are the ones who are involved with all these miracles unless maybe ET is true. If it isn't true shouldn't UR Christians be the ones going on missions raising the dead? One possible explanation is that ET Christians actually hate sin and are therefore in the truth while UR Christians are lukewarm on sin and maybe they are deceived. I really don't know but I still feel like I'm missing a piece of the puzzle if UR is true.

How was UR revealed to you? Are you 100% sure that UR is true. Did you feel like God wanted you to tell these people about UR?   

Thanks

Andrew

Truth is Truth...even if only one person believes it.....UR IS Truth.....I believed in Eternal Damnation for many years (although it often bothered me when I really thought about it)  till I stumbled across the Truth....now I don't know how I could ever have believed God could leave people in a miserable state FOREVER, with no mercy AT ALL,EVER...I cannot refute verses like Romans 5:18,19 (that plainly states ALL will be 'made righteous',and several others that cannot be explained by ETers though they try..plus. my own experience with Jesus tells me He couldn't torment his own creatures forever...as far as miracles go I've had several happen to me in my life....one night, years ago, I had a huge heavy 'up and down' window come crashing down on my fingers on my left hand, the fingers I use to push down on the guitar fingerboard...I pushed up the window and my fingers were totally undamaged, unhurt....I play guitar and my music is very important to me and the Lord saw to it that my fingers were not crushed...He has been/ is, so good to me !.

[rosered]

  Sure get what you are saying Darryl !

  each in their own order to receive the TRUTH / JESUS or come to Christ ,  the realization of that  Holy Spirit  anointing  a Word of truth in you on a personal  level  .

Something that helped  hone it in for me , more than anything  , is How much Jesus Christ  is called the TRUTH  and Way and Life   and yet for many years  I could not  see it   in that way    as  literally and spiritually  as everything basically , a Word of Truth   carried in the flesh . as the true treasure in jars of clay .  that really made me think in a different light .
and how in the scriptures it states He could not be recognized  and seen  as such  ..   If you think about it  , was seen in every man   ever born and yet  ''  the darkness/carnal   could not comprehend the light / Spirit ,being also of  the light of men ''. !

In Isaiah 53  , gave this insight  and began to see it thought the scriptures .  and  the TRUTH / JESUS  was so much bigger than I could have ever imagined  He could be .
  and the stumbling over  that  was stopped  for me .

  It made the UR message so much more  believable and began  to grow  and take hold  within and was not so confused any longer . 
especially when others tried to bring   the truth back down to  a carnal /dark thought . I from that point knew better  .
I Thanked  the Lord for that comfort  and no longer being tossed a bout and doubting  when  some other voices tried to  kill   that joy  , I knew come  directly from the Lords hand of power to believe   by increasing our /my own   faith .

Many had already  knew this  already  and now so did I .  , it literally changed how I could read the bible  in a better way , the Way l to life in CHRIST  ..

God is blessing us all  to know Him !!

[marie glen]

Amen Rose! Now that I think about it, that is the best miracle of all! Truth and our knowing truth! :HeartThrob: How blessed we are!

I had a huge heavy 'up and down' window come crashing down on my fingers on my left hand, the fingers I use to push down on the guitar fingerboard...I pushed up the window and my fingers were totally undamaged, unhurt....I play guitar and my music is very important to me and the Lord saw to it that my fingers were not crushed..

That is SO awesome!! :girlheart:  Praise the Lord! :banana:

[jugghead]

  Sure get what you are saying Darryl !

  each in their own order to receive the TRUTH / JESUS or come to Christ ,  the realization of that  Holy Spirit  anointing  a Word of truth in you on a personal  level  .

Something that helped  hone it in for me , more than anything  , is How much Jesus Christ  is called the TRUTH  and Way and Life   and yet for many years  I could not  see it   in that way    as  literally and spiritually  as everything basically , a Word of Truth   carried in the flesh . as the true treasure in jars of clay .  that really made me think in a different light .
and how in the scriptures it states He could not be recognized  and seen  as such  ..   If you think about it  , was seen in every man   ever born and yet  "  the darkness/carnal   could not comprehend the light / Spirit ,being also of  the light of men ". !

In Isaiah 53  , gave this insight  and began to see it thought the scriptures .  and  the TRUTH / JESUS  was so much bigger than I could have ever imagined  He could be .
  and the stumbling over  that  was stopped  for me .

  It made the UR message so much more  believable and began  to grow  and take hold  within and was not so confused any longer . 
especially when others tried to bring   the truth back down to  a carnal /dark thought . I from that point knew better  .
I Thanked  the Lord for that comfort  and no longer being tossed a bout and doubting  when  some other voices tried to  kill   that joy  , I knew come  directly from the Lords hand of power to believe   by increasing our /my own   faith .

Many had already  knew this  already  and now so did I .  , it literally changed how I could read the bible  in a better way , the Way l to life in CHRIST  ..

God is blessing us all  to know Him !!

:thumbsup:

(was looking for an emoticon with tears to reflect my tears of joy, but couldn't find one)

[rosered]

 

  Yes it sure is  a beautiful thing ,  Marie and Jugghead .....  :dsunny: :HeartThrob: