translations without 'hell'? accurate translations?

[DavidFord]

Version 1.3, 1 Timothy
2:14 Adam wasn't deceived, but the woman, being deceived, has fallen into disobedience; 2:15 but she will be saved through her childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and sanctification with sobriety.

When John the Baptizer urged his listeners to 'produce fruit in keeping with repentance,' he urged people to cease doing evil deeds, and instead do good deeds.  When it was originally written, do you think 1 Timothy 2:15 urged women 'working out their salvation with fear and trembling' to:  have children?  produce good fruit, i.e., do good deeds and have good thoughts?

1 Timothy 2:15 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/1_timothy/2.htm
But she lives by her children ['her children':  Aramaic:  YLDYH:  her:  birth; child; _fruit_], if they continue in faith and in love, in holiness and in modesty.

1Ti 2:15
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
(Aramaic Peshi tta NT)  But she has life by way of her children ['her children':  Aramaic:  YLDYH:  her:  birth; child; _fruit_], if they remain in faith and in love and in holiness and in sobriety.   
(KJV)  Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.   
(Murdock)  Yet she shall live by means of her children, if they continue in the faith, and in love, and in sanctity, and in chastity.

Ravensbruck Prayer
https://prayersofapilgrim.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/ravensbruck-prayer/
Written on a piece of wrapping paper found near the body of a dead child in Ravensbruck where 92,000 women and children died in the Holocaust.
O Lord, remember not only the men and women of good will
but also those of evil will.
But do not remember all the suffering they have inflicted upon us;
remember the fruits we have borne thanks to this suffering –
our comradeship,
our loyalty,
our humility,
our courage,
our generosity,
the greatness of heart which has grown out of all this;
and when they come to the judgement,
let all the fruits that we have borne be their forgiveness.
Amen.

http://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=yld+N%20&cits=all
yld, yldˀ   (yleḏ, yaldā)   n.m.  birth; child
1  birth  Syr. P Gn16:2 : .... . P Mt1:18 : .... (a) birthday  Syr. Bhchr 495:25 . (b) w. .... : procreation  Syr. TB 2:28.9 : ....‏  [=Greek παιδοποιίαν].
2  child  Palmyrene, Qumran, JLAtg, Syr, Man. 4QEnGiantse03.1 : ] ....‏  the children bent down before him. TgJ Is57:4 : ... you are rebellious children, the liar offspring. AphDem11.214:12 : .... a seal and a mark for his children. BhBS.E Econ 1.1.3 : .... children and parents. (a) coll.: generation, offspring  Syr. phDem11.209:14 : .... the generation in the desert. AphDem14.245:4 .... P Lk3:7 .... Generation of vipers, who has told you to flee from the future wrath?.
3  agricultural product, fruit  Syr. TDN.136:15 .... if one makes a firstling offering of fruit or first fruits of the harvest. P Lk22:18  .... I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.

"fruit" in the NT
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=YLT&quicksearch=fruit&begin=47&end=73&limit=500
Galatians 5:22-23
And the fruit of the Spirit is: Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law;   ....

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When it was originally written, did Ephesians 5:11 speak of unfruitful:
works/deeds of darkness?
servants/slaves of darkness?

When Ephesians 5:12 refers to "things which are done of them in secret," who or what is "them"?

From
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=eph%205%3A11-12&version=YLT;KJV
Ephesians 5:11-12 (YLT)
11 and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of the darkness and rather even convict,
12 for the things in secret done by them it is a shame even to speak of,
Ephesians 5:11-12 (KJV)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [Greek:  elenchete/ ἐλέγχετε] them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Does it make sense to attempt "to convince with solid, compelling evidence":
works of darkness?
servants of darkness?

1651. elegchó Strong's Concordance
https://biblehub.com/greek/1651.htm
elegchó: to expose, convict, reprove
Original Word: ἐλέγχω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: elegchó
Phonetic Spelling: (el-eng'-kho)
Definition: to expose, convict, reprove
Usage: (a) I reprove, rebuke, discipline, (b) I expose, show to be guilty.
HELPS Word-studies
1651 elégxō – properly, to convince with solid, compelling evidence, especially to expose (prove wrong, connect).

What sounds more appropriate: 
"fellowship with deeds," or
"fellowship with slaves"?

_Spiritual Arts:  Mastering the Disciplines for a Rich Spiritual Life_
https://books.google.com/
I love this definition of fellowship:  "two fellows in a ship."   When the ship goes up, they both go up; when the ship goes down, they both go down.  There is a unique way those in the same boat can help each other out when trouble arises.

Ephesians 5 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/ephesians/5.htm
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
11 Neither should you fellowship with the Servants [Aramaic:  ai-b-d-a:  _servant/slave_; work] of darkness, because they have no fruit in them, but you should rebuke them. 
12 For the thing that they do in secret is an abomination to mention.

http://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=%28bd+N%20&cits=all
gotten to from http://dukhrana.com
servant, slave, royal subject

http://cal.huc.edu/getlex.php?coord=620402610&word=10
1 labor, work... (a) administration... (b) rite... (c) operation... (d) edification
2 result of work... (a) story... (b) creature, creation... (b.1) reality... (b.2) event... (c) thing... (d) wealth...
3 baggage, burden...

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When it was originally written, did Matthew 11:19 say wisdom is justified by her: 
children?  deeds?
When the parallel passage at Luke 7:35 was originally written, did it say wisdom is justified by her: 
children?  deeds?

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Luke 7:35, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) But justified is wisdom of her sons.
(Murdock) But wisdom is justified by all her children.
(Lamsa) And yet wisdom is justified by all its works.
(KJV) But wisdom is justified of all her children.

Items below like "0nb" stand for Estrangelo font characters that are visible in the PDF, and get read left to right, e.g. "0nb" stands for the letter sequence "bna."

2006: Raphael L..., Was the New Testament Written in Greek?, pages 12-15
https://www.preteristarchive.com/bibliography_all-pdf-files/
4. Her children or her deeds? – Matthew 11:19 / Luke 7:35 / Colossians 3:6-7

This split word is quite amazing (and quite lengthy), as it not only points to an Aramaic original through Aramaic origins of Greek variants, but it also provides an Aramaic solution for apologists working on these verses, as well as exposing much corruption in the Greek texts. This is further complicated by the oddity that the variant is found in the wrong verse!

The KJV says:
Matthew 11:19 "The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."
Luke 7:35 "But wisdom is justified of all her children."

The NASB says:
Matthew 11:19  ""The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.""
Luke 7:35 ""Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.""

Versions that say children (Greek = 'Teknon'), followers, sons or variations thereof, in Matthew 11:19:
DARBY, Douay-Rheims, Geneva, ISV, KJ21, KJV, LITV, MKJV, NKJV, Webster, Wycliffe, YLT.

Versions that say deeds (Greek = 'Ergon'), works, actions or a variation thereof, in Matthew 11:19:
ALT, ASV, BBE, CEV, ESV, Gods Word, Holman, NASB, NIV, NIV-UK, NLT, Rotherham, RSV, TEV, WE, Weymouth.

Versions that say children, followers, sons or variations thereof, in Luke 7:35:
ALT, ASV, BBE, CEV, DARBY, Douay-Rheims, ESV, Geneva, Holman, ISV, KJ21, KJV, LITV, MKJV, NASB, NIV, NIV-UK, NKJV, NLT, Rotherham, RSV, TEV, Webster, Weymouth, Wycliffe, YLT.

Versions that say deeds, works, actions or a variation thereof, in Luke 7:35:
Gods Word, WE.

In the Aramaic of the Peshi tta version of Luke, the word used is hynb (#3234 - NOTE: The Lexical Concordance is incorrect, it erroneously lists the root as 0rb when in reality, it is 0nb (# 23860 "to build".) What is the significance of this root, 0nb ('to build, works, etc.')? hynb was confused by the Greek translators of Luke for Ynb (#3231) which means 'son, children, offspring'. They thought the ending 'Heh' h indicated possession (see Table 1 Grammar section "Possessive Pronouns"), and that the root was Ynb, when in reality the root is 0nb with the ending 'Alaph' 0 dropped and the "Yodh-Heh" hy ending indicating possession. There you have it. A simple mistake that every beginner makes in Aramaic has caused this variant reading.

So the reading should not be "Wisdom is vindicated by her children" but "Wisdom is vindicated by her deeds." Proof of this comes from Scripture. Check Matthew 11:19 - the parallel passage, where Matthew used the more specific Aramaic word for "deeds" - hydb9 (#15080). So the Greek translator(s) of Aramaic Luke mistranslated hynbas "children", when it should have been "deeds." Don't be fooled into thinking that Luke himself made this mistake. It's easy to tell that Luke himself wrote in Aramaic and it was initially correct. How can we know this? Because the Greek manuscripts themselves disagree concerning this reading! It is a mark of translation.

The following Greek versions contain the correct reading - S, B, W, and f13, while the erroneous reading is contained in - B2 C D K L X Delta Theta Pi f1 28 33 565 700 892 1010 and, not surprisingly, BOTH of the so-called "Old-Syriac" manuscripts (Cureton & Sinaitic).

To elaborate...
Let's start off with the two roots in question:

* 0nb "Bna" - As a Verbal root it means To build, To work, as a noun (i.e., Binyan, Bnaya, etc.) it means Building, Work, etc.
* Ynb "Bnay" - means Offspring

Root 1
Using root 1, 0nb, if you wanted to say 'Her work, her build(ing), etc.' - following the rules of Table 2 in the Possessive Pronoun section of the Grammar - the ending 0 is dropped and a 3rd-person feminine suffix of hy is appended. You now have hynb- "Her works, deeds, build(ing), etc."

Root 2
Using root 2, Ynb, if you wanted to say 'Her offspring' - following the rules of Table 1 in the Possessive Pronoun section of the Grammar - a 3rd-person feminine suffix of h is appended. You now have hynb- "Her offspring."

Conclusion.
BOTH words just happen to be spelled the same way by chance! This is the problem the translators of Luke had. This word can mean either one, but I think it is clear from Matthew that the real reading is "deeds" (see Payne Smith, a Compendious Syriac Dictionary, and also compare the translation by Dr. George Lamsa).

So, to begin with, the verses in the Peshi tta agree. Both verses should read "deeds". But not only is this yet another contradiction solved by the Peshi tta, it is also a split word. In fact, since much of the variants in the Greek are caused by a false interpretation of Luke in the first place, and variants occur in both verses, it may be regarded as a "double split word"!

The NU United Bible Society's Greek text reads "ergon" meaning "works" while the Byzantine which reads "teknon", meaning "children". The "double split word" comes in as most of the Greek-based versions read "children" in Luke. The Alexandrian based versions then tend to read "deeds" in Matthew, while the LATER Byzantine-versions (while the usual Alexandrian versions are more recent than famous Byzantine versions like the KJV and Geneva, the Alexandrian texts are older) read "children" in Matthew. This is clearly a case of tampering with the text, in order to harmonize the readings in Matthew and Luke. Unfortunately for the "Byzantine Greek primacists", the wrong verse was edited!  They should not have brought the Matthew reading in line with the corrupted Luke reading, but should have made the verse in Luke read "deeds" or "works"!

It is worth reiterating that the "Old Syriac" (an Aramaic version of the New Testament, which some believe is the true Aramaic original instead of the Peshi tta) contains the same error as the Greek, which lends more weight to the superiority of the Peshi tta, the original Aramaic. This is powerful proof that not only is the Aramaic Peshi tta superior to the Greek mss, but also that both the Alexandrian and Byzantine families of Greek mss, were both translated from the Peshi tta.

Note: A similar situation is found in the book of Colossians. Living in children or deeds? – Colossians 3:6-7 KJV: "For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense does it? The Greek has us walking INTO children and LIVING in them. From the Aramaic Peshi tta, we see that the walking and living was done in deeds of disobedience, not children of disobedience.

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When it was originally written, did Colossians 3:6 mean:
on the sons/children of disobedience? 
against the deeds/works of disobedience?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=col+3%3A5-7&version=YLT;KJV
Colossians 3:5-7 (YLT)
5 Put to death, then, your members that [are] upon the earth -- whoredom, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and the covetousness, which is idolatry --
6 because of which things cometh the anger of God upon the sons of the disobedience,
7 in which also ye -- ye did walk once, when ye lived in them;
Colossians 3:5-7 (KJV)
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Col 3:5-7 (modified APNT, after looking at Jan Magiera's concordance and Lancaster/Lataster)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
https://www.preteristarchive.com/bibliography_all-pdf-files/  -- 2006: Raphael Lancaster, Was the New Testament Written in Greek?, ~pages 13-15
5 Therefore, put to death your members that are of the earth, fornication and uncleanness and passions and evil desire and greed, which is the reverence of idols.
6 For because of these-- against the deeds/works of disobedience-- the wrath of God will come.
7 And in these also, you were previously walking, when you were occupied with them.

[DavidFord]

When 2 Timothy 4:13 was originally written, did it mention:
book-carrier?  cloak?
rolls of parchments?  or merely 'parchments'?

2 Timothy 4:13, http://dukhrana.com
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_timothy/4-13.htm
(Etheridge) The case (for) books [Aramaic: B-I-Th K-Th-B-A:  house (of) books] which I left at Troas with Karpos, when thou comest bring, and the books, and especially the roll of parchments.[Aramaic:  KRKA d'MGLA:  rolls of parchments]
(Murdock) And when thou comest, bring the bookcase, which I left at Troas with Carpus, and the books, but especially the roll of parchments.
(Lamsa) The book-carrier which I left at Tro'as with Car'pus, bring it with you when you come, and the books, especially the parchment scrolls.
(KJV) The cloke [Greek mss.:  phailonēn/ φαιλόνην:  cloak] that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments [Greek mss.: membranas/ μεμβράνας/ parchments].

Pulpit Commentary
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_timothy/4-13.htm
Verse 13. - Bring when thou comest for when thou comest bring with thee, A.V.; especially for but especially, A.V.  The cloke (τὸν φελόνην, more properly written φαινόλην); the Latin paenula, the thick overcoat or cloke.  Only here in the New Testament.  Some think it was the bag in which the books and parchments were packed.  The parchments (τὰς μεμβράνας).  This, again, is a Latin word.  It occurs only here in the New Testament.

Barnes' New Testament Notes
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/barnes/ntnotes.xix.iv.xiii.html?highlight=cloak#highlight
The doubt in regard to what is here meant, is as old as Chrysostom.  He says, (Hom. x. on this epistle,) "that the word (felonhn) denotes a garment—to imation.  But some understood by it a capsula, or bag— glwssokomon,"....

Saint Chrysostom: Homilies on Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus, and Philemon
Homily X.
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf113.v.iv.x.html
"And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus. The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments."
The word here translated "cloak" may mean a garment, or, as some say, a bag, in which the books were contained.

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When 2 Timothy 2:15 was originally written, did it speak of:
correctly cutting the word of truth?
correctly preaching the word of truth?

2Timothy 2:15, http://dukhrana.com
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_timothy/2-15.htm
(Etheridge) And be careful to establish thyself perfectly before Aloha, a workman without shame, preaching rightly the word of truth.
(Murdock) And study to present thyself before God, perfectly, a laborer who is not ashamed, one who correctly announceth the word of truth.
(Lamsa) Strive to conduct yourself perfectly before God, as a soldier without reproach and one who preaches straightforwardly the word of truth.
(KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing [rightly dividing:  Greek:  ὀρθοτομοῦντα/ orthotomounta/ straight cut/ cut straight] the word of truth.

3718. orthotomeó
https://biblehub.com/greek/3718.htm
orthotomeó: to cut straight
Original Word: ὀρθοτομέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: orthotomeó
Phonetic Spelling: (or-thot-om-eh'-o)
Definition: to cut straight
Usage: I cut straight; met: I handle correctly, teach rightly.
HELPS Word-studies
3718 orthotoméō (from temnō, "to cut" and 3717 /orthós, "straight") – properly, cut straight (on a straight line), i.e. "rightly divide" (correctly apportion).

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When it was originally written, do you think 2 Timothy 3:16 spoke of:
God-breathed writing?
writing written by the Spirit?

Greek mss. lack an "is" in the examined section; where do you think an "is" belongs?

Literal rendering of the Aramaic, looking at https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
Every k-th-b (writing; scripture) d'b'R-u-kh-a (that by the-Spirit) a-th-k-th-b (was written) profitable is for teaching

Literal rendering of the Greek, based on https://biblehub.com/text/2_timothy/3-16.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/1124.htm
Every γραφὴ (graphē:  writing; Scripture) θεόπνευστος (theopneustos:  God-breathed) and profitable for instruction

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_timothy/3-16.htm
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God.—Although this rendering is grammatically possible, the more strictly accurate translation, and the one adopted by nearly all the oldest and most trustworthy versions (for example, the Syriac and the Vulgate), and by a great many of the principal expositors in all ages (for instance, by such teachers as Origen, Theodoret, Grotius, Luther, Meyer, Ellicott, and Alford), runs as follows: "Every scripture inspired by God is also profitable for doctrine, for reproof," &c.

2 Peter 1:21
https://biblehub.com/2_peter/1-21.htm
New King James Version
for prophecy never came by the will of man,
but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The prophecy came not by the will of man in the ancient times,
but when holy men of God spoke, being compelled by the Holy Spirit.

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When Philemon 1:12 was originally written, do you think it did, or didn't, mention bowels?

Philemon 1:12, http://dukhrana.com
https://biblehub.com/text/philemon/1-12.htm
(Etheridge) and I have sent him to thee. But thou, as (one) who is my offspring, so receive him.
(Murdock) And receive thou him, as one begotten by me.
(Lamsa) I send him to you again: welcome him as my own boy:
(KJV) Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels: [Greek:  σπλάγχνα/ splanchna/ the inward parts-- heart, liver, lungs, etc.]

https://biblehub.com/philemon/1-12.htm
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And I sent him to you, so receive him as my son.
Young's Literal Translation
whom I did send again, and thou him (that is, my own bowels) receive,

4698. splagchnon
https://biblehub.com/greek/4698.htm
splagchnon: the inward parts (heart, liver, lungs, etc.), fig. the emotions
Original Word: σπλάγχνα, ων, τά
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: splagchnon
Phonetic Spelling: (splangkh'-non)
Definition: the inward parts (heart, liver, lungs, etc.), the emotions
Usage: the inward parts; the heart, affections, seat of the feelings.
HELPS Word-studies
4698 splágxnon – properly, the internal organs ("viscera"); (figuratively) "gut-level compassion" (visceral feelings); the capacity to feel deep emotions (sympathy, empathy, etc.).

MacLaren's Expositions
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philemon/1-12.htm
II. The next point in these verses is Paul's loving identification of himself with Onesimus.
The A.V. here follows another reading from the R.V.; the former has "thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels." The additional words are unquestionably inserted without authority in order to patch a broken construction. The R.V. cuts the knot in a different fashion by putting the abrupt words, "himself that is, my very own heart," under the government of the preceding verb. But it seems more probable that the Apostle began a new sentence with them, which he meant to have finished as the A.V. does for him, but which, in fact, got hopelessly upset in the swift rush of his thoughts, and does not right itself grammatically till the "receive him" of v. 17.
In any case the main thing to observe is the affectionate plea which he puts in for the cordial reception of Onesimus. Of course "mine own bowels" is simply the Hebrew way of saying "mine own heart." We think the one phrase graceful and sentimental, and the other coarse. A Jew did not think so, and it might be difficult to say why he should. It is a mere question of difference in localizing certain emotions.

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When Titus 2:4 was originally written, did it speak of training philandrous individuals?
And training philandrous individuals to be loving children?

Titus 2:4
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/titus/2-4.htm
so that they may train the young φιλάνδρους [philandrous:  lovers of men; lovers of husbands]
to be φιλοτέκνους [philoteknous:  loving children]

https://biblehub.com/greek/435.htm
Original Word: ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine ....
Definition: a man
Usage: a male human being; a man, husband.

interlinear to Aramaic Tit 2:4
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
those who are younger so that they love their husbands and their children

The Aramaic speaks of:  their baals, i.e. their lords/husbands,
and speaks of:  their children.

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Do you consider "mouth to mouth" as used in 2 John and 3 John to be:
ordinary Greek phraseology?  semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) phraseology?

Do you consider "face to face":  ordinary Greek phraseology?  semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) phraseology?

2 John 1:12 (YLT), https://biblehub.com/ylt/2_john/1.htm
Many things having to write to you, I did not intend through paper and ink, but I hope to come unto you, and speak mouth to mouth, that our joy may be full;

3 John 1:14 (YLT), https://biblehub.com/ylt/3_john/1.htm
and I hope straightway to see thee, and mouth to mouth we shall speak.  Peace to thee!  salute thee do the friends; be saluting the friends by name.

4750. stoma
https://biblehub.com/greek/4750.htm
stoma: the mouth
Original Word: στόμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: stoma
Phonetic Spelling: (stom'-a)
Definition: the mouth

"face to face"
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="face+to+face"&qs_version=YLT&limit=500
Deuteronomy 5:4 Face to face hath Jehovah spoken with you, in the mount, out of the midst of the fire;
Judges 6:22 And Gideon seeth that He [is] a messenger of Jehovah, and Gideon saith, `Alas, Lord Jehovah! because that I have seen a messenger of Jehovah face to face!'
Ezekiel 20:35 And I have brought you in unto the wilderness of the peoples, And have been judged with you there face to face.
Acts 25:16 unto whom I answered, that it is not a custom of Romans to make a favour of any man to die, before that he who is accused may have the accusers face to face, and may receive place of defence in regard to the charge laid against [him].
1 Corinthians 13:12 for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known;

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Do you consider the phrase "the fruit of lips" used in Hebrews 13:15 to be:
ordinary Greek phraseology?  semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) phraseology?

(YLT)
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=fruit+mouth&qs_version=YLT&limit=25
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=fruit+lips&version=YLT&resultspp=25
Proverbs 12:14 From the fruit of the mouth [is] one satisfied [with] good,
And the deed of man's hands returneth to him.
Proverbs 13:2 From the fruit of the mouth a man eateth good,
And the soul of the treacherous -- violence.
Proverbs 18:20 From the fruit of a man's mouth is his belly satisfied,
[From the] increase of his lips he is satisfied.
Isaiah 57:19 Producing the fruit of the lips, 'Peace, peace,' to the far off, and to the near, And I have healed him, said Jehovah.
Hosea 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to Jehovah, Say ye unto Him:  'Take away all iniquity, and give good,  And we do render the fruit of our lips.
Hebrews 13:15 through him, then, we may offer up a sacrifice of praise always to God, that is, the fruit of lips, giving thanks to His name;

5491. cheilos
https://biblehub.com/greek/5491.htm
cheilos: a lip, an edge
Original Word: χεῖλος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: cheilos
Phonetic Spelling: (khi'-los)
Definition: a lip, an edge
Usage: a lip, mouth, shore, edge, brink; meton: language, dialect.

[DavidFord]

Do you consider 'taking/receiving faces/countenances' to be typical of:
Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

Matthew 22:16, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) And they sent to him their disciples with (certain) of the household of Herodes, saying to him, Doctor, we know that thou art resolutely true, and (that) the way of Aloha in truth thou teachest; neither carriest thou fear for man, for thou acceptest not the person of men.[Faces of men.]
(Murdock) And they sent to him their disciples, with domestics of Herod, and said to him: Teacher, we know that thou art veracious, and teachest the way of God with truth, regardless of man, for thou hast no respect of persons.
(KJV) And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.

Acts 10:34
(Etheridge) BUT Shemun opened his mouth, and said, In truth I comprehend that Aloha is no respecter of persons:
(KJV) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Romans 2:11 (YLT)
https://biblehub.com/romans/2-11.htm
For there is no acceptance of faces with God,

Ephesians 6:9
(Murdock) Also ye masters, do ye so to your servants. Forgive them a fault; because ye know, that ye have a master in heaven; and there is no respect of persons with him.
(KJV) And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

Colossians 3:25
(Etheridge) But he who injureth is recompensed as he had injured, and there is no acceptance of persons. [Faces.]
(Murdock) But the delinquent will receive a recompense, according to the delinquency; and there is no respect of persons.
(KJV) But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

James 2:1
(Etheridge) My brethren, do not hold with acceptance of faces the faith of the glory of our Lord Jeshu Meshiha.
(Murdock) My brethren, hold ye not the faith of the glory of our Lord Jesus the Messiah, with a respect to persons.
(KJV) My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Do you consider the phrase 'face of X' denoting 'appearance of X' to be typical of:
Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

Do you consider the phrase 'face of X' denoting 'presence of X' to be typical of:
Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

Do you consider the phrase 'face of X' denoting 'person of X' to be typical of:
Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

4382. prosópolémpsia
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prosópolémpsia: respect of persons
Original Word: προσωποληψία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: prosópolémpsia
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-o-pol-ape-see'-ah)
Definition: respect of persons
Usage: partiality, favoritism.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from prosópolémptés
Definition
respect of persons
NASB Translation
partiality (3), personal favoritism (1).
....
Romans 2:11 ....
Ephesians 6:9 ....
Colossians 3:25 ....
James 2:1 ....

4381. prosópolémptés
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prosópolémptés: an accepter of a face, i.e. a respecter of persons
Original Word: προσωπολήπτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: prosópolémptés
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-o-pol-ape'-tace)
Definition: an accepter of a face, a respecter of persons
Usage: one who shows partiality.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from prosópon and lambanó
Definition
an accepter of a face, i.e. a respecter of persons
NASB Translation
one to show partiality (1), show partiality (1).
....
Acts 10:34

4383. prosópon
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prosópon: the face
Original Word: πρόσωπον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: prosópon
Phonetic Spelling: (pros'-o-pon)
Definition: the face
Usage: the face, countenance, surface.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pros and óps (an eye, face)
Definition
the face

2983. lambanó
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Strong's Concordance
lambanó: to take, receive
Original Word: λαμβάνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: lambanó
Phonetic Spelling: (lam-ban'-o)
Definition: to take, receive
Usage: (a) I receive, get, (b) I take, lay hold of.
HELPS Word-studies
2983 lambánō (from the primitive root, lab-, meaning "actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available (offered). 2983 /lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver.

Snips throughout:
4383. πρόσωπον (prosópon)
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4383.htm
Matthew 6:16 N-ANP
NAS: [do], for they neglect their appearance so
KJV: their faces, that
INT: indeed the appearance of them so that

Matthew 16:3 N-ANS
NAS: to discern the appearance of the sky,
KJV: discern the face of the sky;
INT: the indeed appearance of the sky

Matthew 22:16 N-ANS
KJV: thou regardest not the person of men.
INT: you look on [the] appearance of men

Mark 12:14 N-ANS
INT: you look on [the] appearance of men but

Luke 2:31 N-ANS
NAS: You have prepared in the presence of all
KJV: before the face of all
INT: you have prepared before [the] face of all the

Luke 12:56 N-ANS
NAS: to analyze the appearance of the earth
KJV: ye can discern the face of the sky and

Luke 20:21 N-ANS
KJV: acceptest thou the person [of any], but

Acts 2:28 N-GNS
NAS: OF GLADNESS WITH YOUR PRESENCE.'
KJV: with thy countenance.

Acts 3:13 N-ANS
NAS: and disowned in the presence of Pilate,

Acts 3:20 N-GNS
INT: of refreshing from [the] presence of the Lord

Acts 5:41 N-GNS
NAS: they went on their way from the presence of the Council,
KJV: from the presence of the council,
INT: rejoicing from [the] presence of the Council

Acts 6:15 N-ANS
NAS: his face like the face of an angel.
KJV: as it had been the face of an angel.

Acts 13:24 N-GNS
INT: John before [the] face the coming

Acts 20:25 N-ANS
KJV: shall see my face no more.

Acts 25:16 N-ANS
INT: being accused to face may have the

1 Corinthians 13:12 N-ANS
NAS: dimly, but then face to face; now

2 Corinthians 2:10 N-DNS
GRK: ὑμᾶς ἐν προσώπῳ Χριστοῦ
NAS: [I did it] for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
KJV: [forgave I it] in the person of Christ;

2 Corinthians 4:6 N-DNS
KJV: of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:12 N-DNS
NAS: who take pride in appearance and not in heart.

2 Corinthians 8:24 N-ANS
NAS: Therefore openly before the churches,
INT: show you in face of the churches

2 Corinthians 10:1 N-ANS
NAS: am meek when face to face with you, but bold
KJV: who in presence [am] base among
INT: who as to appearance indeed [am] humble

2 Corinthians 10:7 N-ANS
KJV: things after the outward appearance? If any man

Galatians 1:22 N-DNS
NAS: I was [still] unknown by sight to the churches
INT: unknown by face to the churches

Galatians 2:6 N-ANS
KJV: no man's person: ) for they who seemed

Galatians 2:11 N-ANS
NAS: I opposed him to his face, because

Colossians 2:1 N-ANS
INT: have seen the face of me in

1 Thessalonians 2:17 N-DNS
NAS: while-- in person, not in spirit--
INT: time of an hour in face not in heart

1 Thessalonians 2:17 N-ANS
NAS: desire to see your face.

1 Thessalonians 3:10 N-ANS
NAS: that we may see your face, and may complete

2 Thessalonians 1:9 N-GNS
NAS: away from the presence of the Lord

Hebrews 9:24 N-DNS
KJV: to appear in the presence of God

James 1:11 N-GNS
NAS: and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed;

1 Peter 3:12 N-NNS
NAS: ATTEND TO THEIR PRAYER, BUT THE FACE OF THE LORD
KJV: but the face of the Lord

Jude 1:16 N-ANP
NAS: flattering people for the sake
KJV: great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration

Revelation 4:7 N-ANS
KJV: beast had a face as a man,

Revelation 6:16 N-GNS
NAS: on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits
KJV: from the face of him that sitteth

Revelation 12:14 N-GNS
NAS: a time, from the presence of the serpent.
KJV: a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 20:11 N-GNS
NAS: upon it, from whose presence earth
KJV: from whose face the earth and

Revelation 22:4 N-ANS
NAS: they will see His face, and His name
KJV: they shall see his face; and his

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Colossians 2:23 provides an instance where the translation of an Aramaic reference to 'faces' _doesn't_ turn out well in the present-day Greek.  The KJV puts 'shew,' but as far as I know, there aren't any Greek textual variants that justify that.
(KJV) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Perhaps early Greek mss. had a correct translation of the Aramaic, only to become corrupted at some point.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/colossians/2-23.htm
οὐκ ἐν τιμῇ τινί, πρὸς πλησμονὴν τῆς σαρκός.  These words, which constitute this verse one of the most difficult in the New Testament, have received very various explanations.   ....  Findlay's view, "not in any honour, against surfeiting of the flesh," not only yields a thought most obscurely expressed, but must be rejected because of its translation of πρὸς.  All these interpretations are open to serious if not fatal objections.  It is therefore not unlikely that Hort is right in the suspicion, shared also by Haupt, that we have to do here with a primitive corruption, for which no probable emendation has been suggested.  He thinks that the text of the Epistle, and especially of the second chapter, was badly preserved in ancient times.

The Greek for Colossians 2:23 lacks any mention of face/appearance.
using interlinear
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/2-23.htm
which are logon/λόγον
indeed having sophias/σοφίας/of-wisdom in ethelothrēskia/ἐθελοθρησκίᾳ/self-imposed-worship
and tapeinophrosynē/ταπεινοφροσύνῃ/humility and apheidia/ἀφειδίᾳ/harsh-treatment sōmatos/σώματος/of-body
not of honor a certain against
plēsmonēn/πλησμονὴν/indulgence of the sarkos/σαρκός/flesh.

Some have implausibly claimed that the logon/λόγον there means 'appearance.'  Searching for "seem" amidst 130 instances of that exact word yields 0 translations into "seem."  Searching for "appearance" amidst the 130 instances of λόγον yields only 1 translation into "appearance," which the interlinear puts, but the NAS renders "matters":

λόγον (logon) — 130 Occurrences
https://biblehub.com/greek/logon_3056.htm
Colossians 2:23 N-AMS
GRK: ἅτινά ἐστιν λόγον μὲν ἔχοντα
NAS: These are matters which have,
INT: which are an appearance indeed having

Doing a 'find' search on the 331 occurrences of
3056. λόγος (logos)
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3056.htm
and its variations for translations into:
'seem' and 'appearance'
yields nothing additional.   Others have noted that ascribing the meaning of "appearance" to λόγον seems unjustified:

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/colossians/2-23.htm
Colossians 2:23.  ἅτινα:  i.e., which commandments and teachings.—λόγον σοφίας.  This may be taken in the sense of "a word of wisdom," but with no inner truth.  Others translate "appearance of wisdom" (Beng., De W. and others).  But this seems not to be a meaning of λόγ.
....
Other renderings of λόγον - "show" (English A.V., Bengel, De Wette), "ground" or "reason" (Vulgate, Klopper), "reputation" (Meyer, Alford, Ellicott, Lightfoot) - are partly doubtful or exceptional in point of usage....

The original Aramaic of the verse has two locations from which 'appear/ appearance' can be derived:

Col 2:23 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
and they *appear* to have a word of wisdom *with a face of humility* and of the reverence of God and of depriving the body, not about anything of value, but rather about those [things] that are a custom of the flesh.
"with a face of" i.e. 'with an appearance of':  Aramaic:  b'p-r-tz-u-p

Colossians 2:23 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/colossians/2-23.htm
And they appear to have in them a word of wisdom in the appearance of humility and worship of God and without sparing the body, not in things of honor, but in those things which are physical needs.

Colossians 2:23
(Etheridge) and appear to have in them a reason of wisdom, with the look of humility and the fear of Aloha, (as) not sparing the body, (yet) not in that which is (really) of value, but in those (things) whose use pertains to the flesh.
(Murdock) And they seem to have a kind of wisdom, in a show of humility, and of the fear of God, and of not sparing the body; not in any thing of excellence, but in things subservient to the body.

Lamsa went in a different direction by translating the Aramaic 'face' as 'person':
(Lamsa) And it appears there is some word of wisdom in these things when presented by the humble person in fear of God; provided they disregard the things of the flesh, not those things which are honourable but only those things which satisfy the pleasure of the flesh.

The Greek mss. lack 'God,' and the Aramaic 'worship/fear/reverence of God' + the Aramaic 'face' apparently became in the Greek translation-- oddly enough-- ethelothrēskia/ἐθελοθρησκίᾳ/self-imposed-worship.

ἐθελοθρησκίᾳ
https://biblehub.com/greek/ethelothre_skia_1479.htm
ἐθελοθρησκίᾳ (ethelothrēskia) — 1 Occurrence
Colossians 2:23 N-DFS
GRK: σοφίας ἐν ἐθελοθρησκίᾳ καὶ ταπεινοφροσύνῃ
NAS: of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement
KJV: in will worship, and
INT: of wisdom in voluntary worship and humility

1479. ethelothréskia
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ethelothréskia: self-willed (arbitrary and unwarranted) piety
Original Word: ἐθελοθρησκεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ethelothréskia
Phonetic Spelling: (eth-el-oth-race-ki'-ah)
Definition: self-willed (arbitrary and unwarranted) piety
Usage: arbitrary worship, self-imposed worship.
HELPS Word-studies
1479 ethelothrēskeía (from 2309 /thélō, "desire" and 2356 /thrēskeía, "religion")

2309. theló
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theló: to will, wish
Original Word: θέλω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: theló
Phonetic Spelling: ( eth-el'-o,)
Definition: to will, wish
Usage: I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2309 thélō (a primitive verb, NAS dictionary) – to desire (wish, will), wanting what is best (optimal) because someone is ready and willing to act.
2309 /thélō ("to desire, wish") is commonly used of the Lord extending His "best-offer" to the believer – wanting (desiring) to birth His persuasion (faith) in them which also empowers, manifests His presence etc.  See 2307 (thelēma).

2356. thréskeia
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thréskeia: religion
Original Word: θρησκεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: thréskeia
Phonetic Spelling: (thrace-ki'-ah)
Definition: religion
Usage: (underlying sense: reverence or worship of the gods), worship as expressed in ritual acts, religion.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a derivation of thréskos
Definition
religion
NASB Translation
religion (3), worship (1).

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James 3:17 provides an instance where an Aramaic reference to 'faces' turned out OK in the Greek translation:

James 3:17, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) But the wisdom that is from above is pure, and full of peace, and meekness, and obedience, and full of mercies and good fruits, and is without division, and faces accepteth not.
(Murdock) But the wisdom which is from above, is pure, and full of peace, and mild, and submissive, and full of compassion and of good fruits, and without partiality, and without respect of persons.
(Lamsa) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure then full of peace, and gentle, obedient, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(KJV) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

James 3:17, using interlinear
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/james/3-17.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/adiakritos_87.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/87.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/1252.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/anypokritos_505.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/505.htm
the But the from above sophia/σοφία/wisdom proton/πρῶτον/first indeed pure is, then eirēnikē/εἰρηνική/peaceable,
gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and karpōn/καρπῶν/of-fruits good, adiakritos/ἀδιάκριτος, anypokritos/ἀνυπόκριτος.

adiakritos/ἀδιάκριτος:  from alpha (as a neg. prefix) and diakrinó:  1252 diakrínō (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly back-and-forth," which intensifies 2919 /krínō, "to judge") – properly, investigate (judge) thoroughly – literally, judging "back-and-forth" which can either (positively) refer to close-reasoning (descrimination) or negatively "over-judging" (going too far, vacillating).  Only the context indicates which sense is meant.

anypokritos/ἀνυπόκριτος:  505 anypókritos (an adjective, derived from alpha-privative 1 /A "not" and 5271 /hypokrínomai, "to act as a hypocrite") – properly, not a phony ("put on"), describing sincere behavior free from hidden agendas (selfish motives) – literally, "without hypocrisy" (unfeigned).

[DavidFord]

Do you consider "flaming fire," or for that matter, "the fire of flame," a Semiticism?

In 2 Thess 1:7-8, is it:  "with his mighty angels in flaming fire"?
Or is it:  "in flaming fire giving vengeance to those who don't know God"?

Second Thessalonians, version 1.3
1:6 Since it is a righteous thing
with God to repay affliction to those who afflict you, 1:7 and to give relief to you
who are afflicted with us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his
mighty angels in flaming fire, 1:8 giving vengeance to those who don't know God,
and to those who don't obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus, 1:9 who will pay
the penalty: coming age destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory
of his might, 1:10 when he comes to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired
among all those who have believed (because our testimony to you was believed)
in that day.

Matthew Poole's Commentary
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_thessalonians/1-8.htm
As also in flaming fire, or the fire of flame, a Hebraism.  Fire is the most dreadful of all the elements, especially flaming, to denote the great wrath of that day, and its breaking forth, as fire when it flameth.  God's wrath is often expressed in Scripture by fire, Deu 32:22 Psalm 97:3, &c.; Jeremiah 21:12 Hebrews 10:27; and as that which attendeth the great day of Christ, Daniel 7:10 1 Corinthians 3:13 2 Peter 3:7,12.

"flaming fire" in the YLT
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="flaming+fire"&qs_version=YLT
Psalm 104:4 Making His messengers -- the winds, His ministers -- the flaming fire.
Psalm 105:32 He hath made their showers hail, A flaming fire [is] in their land.
Isaiah 4:5 Then hath Jehovah prepared Over every fixed place of Mount Zion, And over her convocations, A cloud by day, and smoke, And the shining of a flaming fire by night, That, over all honour a safe-guard,
Lamentations 2:3 He hath cut off in the heat of anger every horn of Israel, He hath turned backward His right hand From the face of the enemy, And He burneth against Jacob as a flaming fire, It hath devoured round about.
Hosea 7:6 For they have drawn near, As an oven [is] their heart, In their lying in wait all the night sleep doth their baker, Morning! he is burning as a flaming fire.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those not knowing God, and to those not obeying the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ;

"flame of fire" in YLT
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="flame+of+fire"&qs_version=YLT
Exodus 3:2 and there appeareth unto him a messenger of Jehovah in a flame of fire, out of the midst of the bush, and he seeth, and lo, the bush is burning with fire, and the bush is not consumed.
Isaiah 66:15 For, lo, Jehovah in fire cometh, And as a hurricane His chariots, To refresh in fury His anger, And His rebuke in flames of fire.
Daniel 7:9 `I was seeing till that thrones have been thrown down, and the Ancient of Days is seated, His garment as snow [is] white, and the hair of his head [is] as pure wool, His throne flames of fire, its wheels burning fire.
Joel 2:5 As the noise of chariots, on the tops of the mountains they skip, As the noise of a flame of fire devouring stubble, As a mighty people set in array for battle.

Acts 7:30 and forty years having been fulfilled, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai a messenger of the Lord, in a flame of fire of a bush,
Hebrews 1:7 and unto the messengers, indeed, He saith, 'Who is making His messengers spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire;'
Revelation 1:14 and his head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire;
Revelation 2:18 'And to the messenger of the assembly of Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who is having his eyes as a flame of fire, and his feet like to fine brass;
Revelation 19:12 and his eyes [are] as a flame of fire, and upon his head [are] many diadems -- having a name written that no one hath known, except himself,

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Do you consider 'serving for the eye' to be typical of:
Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

Ephesians 6:5-6 (YLT)
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https://biblehub.com/ephesians/6-6.htm
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https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ephesians/6-6.htm
The servants! obey the masters according to the flesh with fear and trembling, in the simplicity of your heart [Greek:  kardias/ καρδίας], as to the Christ;
not with eye-service [Greek:  ophthalmodoulian/ ὀφθαλμοδουλίαν] as men-pleasers, but as servants of the Christ, doing the will of God out of soul,[Greek:  psychēs/ ψυχῆς]

Colossians 3:22-23 (YLT)
https://biblehub.com/colossians/3-22.htm
https://biblehub.com/colossians/3-23.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/3-22.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/3-23.htm
The servants! obey in all things those who are masters according to the flesh, not in eye-service [Greek:  ophthalmodouliais/ ὀφθαλμοδουλίαις] as men-pleasers, but in simplicity of heart [Greek: kardias/ καρδίας], fearing God;
and all, whatever ye may do -- out of soul [Greek: psychēs/ ψυχῆς] work -- as to the Lord, and not to men,

Colossians 3:22, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) Servants, obey in every thing your masters according to the flesh, not in the sight of the eye (only), as those who please men, but from a simple heart, and in the fear of the Lord.
Colossians 3:23
(Murdock) And whatever ye do, do it with your whole soul, as unto our Lord, and not as to men:

Ephesians 6:6-7 (Etheridge)
not in the sight of the eyes, as if you were pleasing men (only), but as the servants of Meshiha who do the will of Aloha.
And serve them from all your soul, in love, as unto our Lord, and not as unto men;

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When it was originally written, do you believe Ephesians 1:18 literally said:
'eyes of your heart'?
'eyes of your understanding'?

Do you consider 'eyes of your heart' more at home in:  Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

https://biblehub.com/ephesians/1-18.htm
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https://biblehub.com/texts/ephesians/1-18.htm
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
Berean Literal Bible
the eyes your of heart [Greek:  kardias/ καρδίας] being enlightened, in order for you to know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And that the eyes of your hearts [Aramaic:  d'l-b-u-th-k-u-n:  of your hearts] would be enlightened, that you will know what is the hope of his calling and what is the wealth of the glory of his inheritance in The Holy Ones,
Young's Literal Translation
the eyes of your understanding [Greek:  διανοίας] being enlightened, for your knowing what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

1271. dianoia
https://biblehub.com/str/greek/1271.htm
dianoia: the mind, disposition, thought
Original Word: διάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: dianoia
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: the mind, disposition, thought
Usage: understanding, intellect, mind, insight.
HELPS Word-studies
1271 diánoia (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly, from side-to-side," which intensifies 3539 /noiéō, "to use the mind," from 3563 /noús, "mind")

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ephesians/1-18.htm
18. understanding—The oldest manuscripts, versions, and Fathers, read "heart."

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When James 5:4 and when Romans 9:29 were originally written, do you think they did, or didn't, have something representing 'YHWH'?

James 5:4 (YLT)
https://biblehub.com/text/james/5-4.htm
https://biblehub.com/james/5-4.htm
lo, the reward of the workmen, of those who in-gathered your fields, which hath been fraudulently kept back by you -- doth cry out, and the exclamations of those who did reap into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth have entered;
[Greek:  Κυρίου/Kyriou Σαβαὼθ/Sabaōth:  of [the] Lord of Hosts]

4519. sabaóth
https://biblehub.com/greek/4519.htm
sabaóth: Sabaoth, i.e. armies
Original Word: σαβαώθ
Part of Speech: Hebrew Form (Indclinable)
Transliteration: sabaóth
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-ah-owth')
Definition: Sabaoth, armies
Usage: hosts, armies.
HELPS Word-studies
4519 sabaṓth (the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew term, bā̓āh, OT 6635) – host(s), an innumerable throng (limitless company). 4519 /sabaṓth ("the Lord of hosts") only occurs in Ro 9:29 and Js 4:5, and correlates to the familiar phrase, "the Lord of hosts" in the OT and LXX.

Jam 5:4 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
Behold, the wage of the laborers who have reaped your lands, which you have withheld, cries out. And the crying of the reapers has entered the ears of the LORD of Hosts [Aramaic:  d'Mrya Tz-b-a-o-th:  of Master YHWH of hosts]

Romans 9:29 (YLT)
https://biblehub.com/romans/9-29.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/9-29.htm
and according as Isaiah saith before, 'Except the Lord of Sabaoth did leave to us a seed, as Sodom we had become, and as Gomorrah we had been made like.'
[Greek:  Kyrios/Κύριος Sabaōth/Σαβαὼθ:  Lord of hosts]

Rom 9:29 (Murdock)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
And according to what Isaiah had before said:  If the Lord of hosts had not favored us with a residue, we had been as Sodom, and had been like Gomorrha.
[Aramaic:  Mrya Tz-b-a-o-th:  Master YHWH of hosts]

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The Aramaic "MrYa" (=s Master YHWH, with a few exceptions where it's a woman's name) was translated as 'kurios' in the Greek translation of it.  The Greek mss. also translated 'master/ lord/ sir' as 'kurios,' e.g. at 1 Peter 3:6.
1 Peter 3:6 (YLT)
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_peter/3-6.htm
https://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-6.htm
as Sarah was obedient to Abraham, calling him 'sir,' [Greek: kyrion/κύριον/lord] of whom ye did become daughters, doing good, and not fearing any terror.

Of the Greek New Testament's 700+ instances of 'kurios' and its variants, do you know which if any had been translated from something representing the tetragrammaton?

2962. κύριος (kurios)
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_2962.htm
Strong's Greek: 2962. κύριος (kurios) — 722 Occurrences

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1 Peter 3:12 quotes the Old Testament.  When 1 Peter 3:12 was originally written, do you think it did, or didn't:
contain something representing the tetragrammaton?
speak of God's 'eyes' 'ears' and 'face'? (and if 'yes,' is that sort of language more at home in Greek thought, or in Semitic thought?)

Psalm 34 (HCSB)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+34%3A12-16&version=HCSB
15 The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
and His ears are open to their cry for help.
16 The face of the LORD is set
against those who do what is evil,
to erase all memory of them from the earth.

1 Peter 3:12 (YLT)
https://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-12.htm
because the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous,
and His ears -- to their supplication,
and the face of the Lord is upon those doing evil;'

1 Peter 3:12
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_peter/3-12.htm
Because ophthalmoi/ὀφθαλμοὶ/eyes Kyriou/Κυρίου/of-Lord epi/ἐπὶ/on dikaious/δικαίους/righteous
kai/καὶ/and ōta/ὦτα/ears autou/αὐτοῦ/of-Him eis/εἰς/toward deēsin/δέησιν/prayer autōn/αὐτῶν/of-them. 
prosōpon/πρόσωπον/face de/δὲ/however Kyriou/Κυρίου/of-Lord epi/ἐπὶ/against poiountas/ποιοῦντας/those-doing kaka/κακά/evil.

1 Peter 3:12
http://dukhrana.com
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
(Lamsa) For the eyes of the LORD [Aramaic:  d'MrYa:  of Master YHWH] are on the righteous,
and his ears are open to their prayers,
but the countenance of the LORD [Aramaic:  d'MrYa:  of Master YHWH] is against the wicked.

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When 2 Peter 2:14 was originally written, do you think:
it said "having eyes full of an adulteress"?

it said:  'sons/children of a curse'?
it meant:  'children of a curse'?  'cursed'?

Do you agree that the construction 'son of X' to denote a characteristic or destiny of someone is Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic)?
Do you think it's a construction that a native Greek speaker would use?

Do you think a native Greek speaker would speak of a 'kardian/καρδίαν/heart gegymnasmenēn/γεγυμνασμένην/having-been-exercised in greed'?
Do you think a Semitic person would speak of a 'heart experienced in covetousness'?

2 Peter 2:14 (Disciples' Literal NT)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+peter+2%3A14&version=DLNT;YLT
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/2-14.htm
having eyes full _of an_ adulteress and restless _of_ sin,
enticing unstable souls,
having _a_ heart [Greek:  kardian/καρδίαν/heart] trained _in_ greed.
Children _of a_ curse!—

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_peter/2-14.htm
14. having eyes full of adultery] The Greek gives literally the somewhat strange figure, having eyes full of an adulteress.
....
cursed children] Better, children of a curse.  The Apostle falls back on the old Hebrew idiom of expressing character by the idea of sonship.  So we have "children of obedience" in 1 Peter 1:14. "Children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2).  The "son of perdition" (John 17:12).

2 Peter 2:14
http://dukhrana.com
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
(Etheridge) having eyes full of adultery, and sins which cease not, alluring souls that are not established.  An heart have they which is disciplined in covetousness; sons of malediction,
(APNT) having eyes that are full of adultery and sins that do not come to an end, enticing people that are unstable and having a heart that is practiced in fraud, children of a curse,

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When 2 Corinthians 6:15 was first written, do you think it said:
bελίαρ/beliar?  bελίαλ/belial?  satana?

Do you think a native Greek speaker would use "belial"?

2 Corinthians 6:15a
https://biblehub.com/greek/beliar_955.htm
https://biblehub.com/texts/2_corinthians/6-15.htm
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
(NIV) What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?  ....
(NET Bible) And what agreement does Christ have with Beliar?  ....
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English) What harmony has The Messiah with Satan? [Aramaic:  l'M-sh-i-kh-a ai-m s-t-n-a:  Messiah with satan]

Pulpit Commentary
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_corinthians/6-15.htm
Verse 15. - Concord; literally, harmony or accord. The word does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament or in the LXX.  ....  Belial.  Here used in the form Beliar, as a proper name, because no Greek word ends in the letter τ.  In the Old Testament it does not stand for a person, but means "wickedness" or "worthlessness."  Thus in Proverbs 6:12 "a naughty person" is adam belial.  "A son of Belial" means "a child of wickedness" [better:  it means 'wicked' - df] by a common Hebraism (Deuteronomy 13:13; Judges 19:22).  ....  Belial only became a proper name in later days ....

Vincent's Word Studies
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_corinthians/6-15.htm
Beliar.  Belial is a transcript of the Hebrew, meaning worthlessness or wickedness.  The Septuagint renders it variously by transgressor, impious, foolish, pest.  It does not occur in the Septuagint as a proper name.  The form Beliar, which is preferred by critics, is mostly ascribed to the Syriac pronunciation of Belial, the change of l into r being quite common.

Bengel's Gnomen
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_corinthians/6-15.htm
2 Corinthians 6:15.  Βελιαρ, Belial)  The LXX. always express in Greek words the Hebrew, בליעל; but here Paul uses the Hebrew word for the purpose of Euphemism [avoiding something unpleasant by the use of a term less strictly appropriate].  This word is an appellative, 1 Samuel 25:25, and occurs for the first time in Deuteronomy 13:14.

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When it was originally written, do you think 2 Timothy 2:26 said:
"to recover from drunkenness"?
diabolou/διαβόλου/devil?  satana?

2 Timothy 2:26
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_timothy/2-26.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/to_3588.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm
and ananēpsōsin/ἀνανήψωσιν out of the of the diabolou/διαβόλου/devil snare
having been captured by him for the his will

Pulpit Commentary
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_timothy/2-26.htm
Verse 26. - .... Having been taken captive, etc.  This is undoubtedly a difficult passage.  We will first take the individual words, and then turn to the general meaning.  Recover themselves (ἀνανήψωσιν); only found here in the New Testament, and never in the LXX.  In classical Greek, where it is, however, uncommon, it means literally "to recover from drunkenness," hence, "to come to one's self," "to come to a right mind" (see Steph., 'Thes.').  ....

2 Timothy 2:26
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-26.htm
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
And they will remember their souls and break loose from the trap of Satan [Aramaic:  d's-t-n-a:  of satan]
by whom they were captured for his pleasure.

2Ti 2:26
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
(APNT) and will recall [the truth] to themselves and will break away from the snare of Satan,
by whom they were caught for his desire.   
(KJV) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil,
who are taken captive by him at his will.   
(Murdock) and may recollect themselves, and may escape out of the snare of Satan,
at whose pleasure they have been held ensnared.

[DavidFord]

Which if any of the originally-verbal remarks below were originally:
spoken in Aramaic or Hebrew?
spoken in Greek?
written in Aramaic or Hebrew?
written in Greek?

snips throughout
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4567.htm
Matthew 4:10 N-VMS
NAS: to him, Go, Satan! For it is written,

Matthew 12:26 N-NMS
KJV: And if Satan cast out Satan,

Matthew 16:23 N-VMS
NAS: behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block

Mark 3:23 N-NMS
KJV: How can Satan cast out Satan?

Mark 3:26 N-NMS
KJV: And if Satan rise up against

Mark 4:15 N-NMS
KJV: they have heard, Satan cometh
INT: comes Satan and takes away

Mark 8:33 N-VMS
NAS: behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind

Luke 10:18 N-AMS
NAS: to them, I was watching Satan fall
KJV: unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning

Luke 11:18 N-NMS
KJV: If Satan also be divided

Luke 13:16 N-NMS
KJV: of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo,

Luke 22:31 N-NMS
NAS: Simon, behold, Satan has demanded

Acts 5:3 N-NMS
KJV: Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine
INT: did fill Satan the heart

Acts 26:18 N-GMS
NAS: and from the dominion of Satan to God,

Revelation 2:9 N-GMS
NAS: and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:13 N-GMS
INT: throne of Satan [is] and you hold fast

Revelation 2:13 N-NMS
NAS: among you, where Satan dwells.

Revelation 2:24 N-GMS
KJV: the depths of Satan, as

Revelation 3:9 N-GMS
NAS: [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say

4567. Satanas
https://biblehub.com/str/greek/4567.htm
Satanas: the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil
Original Word: Σατανᾶς, ᾶ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Satanas
Phonetic Spelling: (sat-an-as')
Definition: the adversary, Satan, the devil
Usage: an adversary, Satan.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
of Hebrew origin satan
Definition
the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil
NASB Translation
Satan (35), Satan's (1).
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Satan.
Of Chaldee origin corresponding to ma'bad (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. The devil -- Satan.

7854. שָׂטָן (satan)
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7854.htm
Strong's Hebrew: 7854. שָׂטָן (satan) — 27 Occurrences

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When Jesus spoke of 3 'measures' in Matthew 13:33 ( = Luke 13:21), did he speak in:
Greek?  Hebrew?  Aramaic?
When that remark of his was first written down, was it written in:
Greek?  Hebrew?  Aramaic?

Matthew 13:33
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
https://biblehub.com/matthew/13-33.htm
(Berean Literal Bible)
He spoke to them another parable:  "The kingdom of the heavens is like leaven, which a woman having taken, hid in three measures [Greek:  σάτα/sata] of flour until all of it was leavened."
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
He told them another parable:  "The Kingdom of Heaven is likened to leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures [Aramaic: s-a-i-n] of meal until all of it had fermented."

4568. saton
https://biblehub.com/greek/4568.htm
saton: seah, a (Heb.) measure (equiv. to about one and a half pecks)
Original Word: σάτον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: saton
Phonetic Spelling: (sat'-on)
Definition: seah, a (Hebrew) measure (equiv. to about one and a half pecks)
Usage: a large measure equal to nearly three English gallons.
HELPS Word-studies
4568 sáton – "a large measure equivalent to nearly three English gallons" (Souter); the measure for grain, "about a peck and a half or somewhat less than one-half bushel (a bushel consists of four pecks) or approximately twelve liters in the metric system" (L & N, 1, 81.23).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
of Aramaic origin, cf. seah
Definition
seah, a (Heb.) measure (equiv. to about one and a half pecks)
NASB Translation
pecks (2).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4568: σάτον
σάτον (Hebrew כְאָה, Chaldean כָאתָא, Syriac )t)S []), σατου, τό, a kind of dry measure....

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Re: Luke 1:15, was it originally:
spoken in Greek?
spoken in Hebrew or Aramaic?
written in Greek?
written in Hebrew or Aramaic?

Luke 1:15
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/1-15.htm
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
"He will be great before THE LORD JEHOVAH [Aramaic:  before MrYa = before Master YHWH],
and he will not drink wine or strong drink [Aramaic:  o'sh-k-r-a:  or strong-drink],
and he will be filled with The Spirit of Holiness
while he is in the womb of his mother."
(Young's Literal Translation)
for he shall be great before the Lord [Greek:  Kyriou/Κυρίου],
and wine and strong drink [Greek:  sikera/σίκερα/strong-drink] he may not drink,
and of the Holy Spirit he shall be full,
even from his mother's womb;

4608. sikera
https://biblehub.com/greek/4608.htm
sikera: fermented liquor
Original Word: σίκερα, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Indeclinable, Other Type
Transliteration: sikera
Phonetic Spelling: (sik'-er-ah)
Definition: fermented liquor
Usage: intoxicating drink.
HELPS Word-studies
4608 síkera (a transliteration of the Hebrew 7941/shēkhār, "alcoholic drink") – any fermented, intoxicating drink (sometimes made from grapes); "strong drink, fermented from fruits, grain, dates or honey, i.e. not distilled alcoholic beverages "such as whiskey, gin, and vodka, which were not known in the ancient world" (L & N, 1, 6.200).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
of Hebrew origin shekar
Definition
fermented liquor
NASB Translation
liquor (1).
....
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
strong drink.
Of Hebrew origin (shekar); an intoxicant, i.e. Intensely fermented liquor -- strong drink.
see HEBREW shekar

7941. shekar
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7941.htm
shekar: intoxicating drink, strong drink
Original Word: שֵׁכָר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shekar
Phonetic Spelling: (shay-kawr')
Definition: intoxicating drink, strong drink

_Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament_ (1974)
https://www.google.com/search?q="is+common+semitic"+"the+root+even+entered+greek+as+a+loanword+via+the+lxx"
The root škr (verb: "become intoxicated"; noun: "intoxicating drink, [strong] beer") is Common Semitic and its meaning is constant. ... 5 The root even entered Greek as a loanword via the LXX: síkera, "strong ...

[DavidFord]

Which if any of these constructions do you consider:
typical of Greek thought?
typical of Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?:

"children of obedience" meaning 'obedient people'
"Son of Encouragement" meaning 'Encourager'
"son of peace" meaning 'peaceful person'
"sons of disobedience" meaning 'disobedient people'

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"children of wrath" meaning:  wrath-filled people?  people subject to wrath?
"sons of this age/world" meaning:  mortal people?  worldly people?
"sons of the light" meaning:  lighted people?  enlightened people?  people comfortable in the light?
"son of destruction" meaning:  destroying person?  person to be destroyed?
"sons of the resurrection" meaning:  resurrected people?  people to be resurrected?
"children of the flesh" meaning:  fleshy people?
"children of the promise" meaning:  promised people?
"children of the slave woman" meaning:  enslaved people?
'children of the free woman' meaning:  free people?

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1 Peter 1:14 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_peter/1-14.htm
https://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-14.htm
as children of obedience [Greek:  tekna/τέκνα/children hypakoēs/ὑπακοῆς/of-obedience],
not being conformed to the passions in your former ignorance.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
https://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-14.htm
(14) As obedient children.--Literally, as children of obedience--children, i.e., in the sense of relationship, not of age.

Pulpit Commentary
https://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-14.htm
Verse 14. - As obedient children; rather, children of obedience (comp. Ephesians 2:2, 3; Ephesians 5:8; also 2 Peter 2:14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; Luke 16:8).  Winer says ('Grammar,' 3. 34; 'Romans,' 2), "This mode of expression is to be traced to the more lively imagination of the Orientals, by which the most intimate connection (derivation from and dependence on) - even when the reference is to what is not material - is viewed under the image of the relation of son or child to parent.  Hence 'children of disobedience' are those who belong to disobedience as a child to his mother - disobedience having become their nature, their predominant disposition."

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Acts 4:36 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/acts/4-36.htm
Now Joseph having been called Barnabas by the apostles (which is translated, Son of encouragement), a Levite, a Cypriot at the birth,

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Luke 10:6 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/luke/10-6.htm
And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon it;
but if not so, it will return to you.

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Ephesians 2:2 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/2-2.htm
in which once you walked according to the age of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience,

Ephesians 5:6 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/5-6.htm
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Colossians 3:6 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/colossians/3-6.htm
because of which things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience,

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Ephesians 2:3 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/2-3.htm
among whom we all also once lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the things willed of the flesh and of its thoughts; and we were by nature children of wrath even as the rest.

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Ephesians 5:8 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/5-8.htm
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.  Walk as children of light,

1 Thess 5:5 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/5-5.htm
For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day;
we do not belong to the night or to the darkness.

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2 Thess 2:3 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/2-3.htm
No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first, and the man of lawlessness shall have been revealed--the son of destruction,

John 17:12 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/john/17-12.htm
When I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name, which You have given Me.  And I guarded them, and none of them has perished, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

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Luke 16:8 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/luke/16-8.htm
And the master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly.
For the sons of this age are more shrewd than
the sons of the light in their own generation.

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Luke 20:36 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/luke/20-36.htm
For neither are they able to die any more, for they are like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

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Romans 9:8 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/romans/9-8.htm
That is, the children of the flesh,
these are not children of God;
but the children of the promise
are regarded as offspring.

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Galatians 4:31 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/galatians/4-31.htm
So then, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free.

[DavidFord]

Do you agree with the remark below that "The text reading is not proper Greek but it is the sort of Greek that one would expect in a translation from Aramaic"?

Hat tip to PDF at
https://www.preteristarchive.com/bibliography_all-pdf-files/  -- 2006: Raphael ..., Was the New Testament Written in Greek?
from
http://web.ovc.edu/terry/tc/lay11act.htm
Acts 10:36:
TEXT: "plYou know the word which he sent to the sons"
EVIDENCE: p74 S* C D E P Psi 945 1241 2495 Byz Lect one lat syr
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASV RSV NASV NIV TEV
RANK: C
NOTES: "plYou know he sent the word to the sons"
EVIDENCE: Sa A B 81 614 1739 most lat vg cop
TRANSLATIONS: ASVn NASVn NEB

COMMENTS: The difference in the two readings is the inclusion or omission of "which" which is included in brackets in the UBS text. The text reading is not proper Greek but it is the sort of Greek that one would expect in a translation from Aramaic. Since the last two letters of the Greek word for "word" spell the Greek word for "which," it is possible that the word "which" was accidently added when copyists saw those letters twice. On the other hand, it is also possible that the word "which" was originally present and it was accidently omitted when copyists' eyes jumped from the end of "word" to the end of "which."

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Do you think Jesus had something written on his:
garments?  thigh?  garments and thigh? 

Rev 19:16 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
And he had a name written on his garments, on his thighs,
"King of kings and Lord of lords."

Rev 19:16
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/19-16.htm
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
And he has on his garment over his thigh the name written:
"The King of Kings and The Lord of Power."
(YLT)
and he hath upon the garment and [Greek:  kai/καὶ/and] upon his thigh the name written,
'King of kings, and Lord of lords.'

[DavidFord]

David Bauscher got his English by translating from the Aramaic.  I'd object to Bauscher's translation of Mt 25:46:  God doesn't do torture, and 'eternal' is going beyond what the Aramaic has.  I'd handle the passage this way:

Mt 25:46 (based on Younan, http://dukhrana.com; cf. https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search)
And these will depart l'thshniqa-d'l'ailm [to-torment of-to-the world/age, i.e. to the world/age of torment],
and the zadiqa [righteous] l'khia-d'l'ailm."[to-life of-to-the world/age, i.e. to the world/age of life]

The Latin and the Greek Matthew 26:6 have a mistranslation of the original Aramaic by calling the houseguest-entertaining Simon a leper, when actually he was a potter.

from
http://dukhrana.com
Matthew 26:6 (Clementine Vulgate) Cum autem Iesus esset in Bethania in domo Simonis leprosi,
Matthew 26:6 (Official Greek Orthodox Church NT) Τοῦ δὲ Ἰησοῦ γενομένου ἐν Βηθανίᾳ ἐν οἰκίᾳ Σίμωνος τοῦ λεπροῦ,

The Latin and the Greek Matthew 1:16 have a mistranslation of the original Aramaic by calling a particular Joseph her husband, when actually that Joseph was Mary's guardian father.

Matthew 1:16 - Iacob autem genuit Ioseph virum Mariæ, de qua natus est Iesus, qui vocatur Christus.  [working with Google translate:  Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ]
Matthew 1:16 - Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησε τὸν Ἰωσὴφ τὸν ἄνδρα Μαρίας, ἐξ ἧς ἐγεννήθη Ἰησοῦς ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός

The Latin and the Greek Acts 8:27 have a mistranslation of the original Aramaic by calling the Ethiopian traveling to worship in the temple-- which eunuchs were prohibited from doing-- a eunuch, when actually he was a believer.

Acts 8:27 - Et surgens abiit. Et ecce vir Æthiops, eunuchus, potens Candacis Reginæ Æthiopum, qui erat super omnes gazas eius: venerat adorare in Ierusalem:
Acts 8:27 - καὶ ἀναστὰς ἐπορεύθη καὶ ἰδοὺ ἀνὴρ Αἰθίοψ εὐνοῦχος δυνάστης Κανδάκης τῆς βασιλίσσης Αἰθιόπων, ὃς ἦν ἐπὶ πάσης τῆς γάζης αὐτῆς, ὃς ἐληλύθει προσκυνήσων εἰς Ἱερουσαλήμ

[marie glen]

A good study!

"and these will go away to aionian - kolasin" should it seems to me read as:
     will go away to of a duration/age - (of) correction

I'm not sure about Simon the host.. leprou, same word used for others who were healed of the disease... not sure about Joseph either how that would be known.. would be quite a coincidence.. not a real important misunderstanding if it is.. My view is translators do indeed get some things wrong..

The word for the Ethiopian man was eunouchos, and it says he went to worship in Jerusalem but not that he entered the temple.. I don't know what the law was..

I do however think translators are prone to running with verses and with meanings of words! :doh:

[DavidFord]

Who do you think named Jesus:  Mary, or her husband Joseph?

Matthew 1:21, 25
https://biblehub.com/matthew/1-21.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/1-25.htm
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
"And she shall bring forth a Son, and she shall call his name Yeshua, for he shall save his people from their sins."  .... And he [Joseph] did not know her sexually until she delivered her firstborn son, and she called his name Yeshua.
(HCSB)
She will give birth to a son, and you [Joseph] are to name Him Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins."  ....  but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son.  And he named Him Jesus.

not-related, but interesting:
Vincent's Word Studies
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/1-21.htm
.... The Rabbis had a saying concerning the six whose names were given before their birth: "Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Solomon, Josiah, and the name of the Messiah, whom may the Holy One, blessed be His name, bring quickly in our days."
Jesus (Ιησοῦν)
The Greek form of a Hebrew name, which had been borne by two illustrious individuals in former periods of the Jewish history - Joshua, the successor of Moses, and Jeshua, the high-priest, who with Zerubbabel took so active a part in the re-establishment of the civil and religious polity of the Jews on their return from Babylon. Its original and full form is Jehoshua, becoming by contraction Joshua or Jeshua. Joshua, the son of Nun, the successor of Moses, was originally named Hoshea (saving), which was altered by Moses into Jehoshua (Jehovah (our) Salvation) (Numbers 13:16). The meaning of the name, therefore, finds expression in the title Saviour, applied to our Lord (Luke 1:47; Luke 2:11; John 4:42).

Joshua, the son of Nun, is a type of Christ in his office of captain and deliverer of his people, in the military aspect of his saving work (Revelation 19:11-16). As God's revelation to Moses was in the character of a law-giver, his revelation to Joshua was in that of the Lord of Hosts (Joshua 5:13, Joshua 5:14). Under Joshua the enemies of Israel were conquered, and the people established in the Promised Land. So Jesus leads his people in the fight with sin and temptation. He is the leader of the faith which overcomes the world (Hebrews 12:2). Following him, we enter into rest.

The priestly office of Jesus is foreshadowed in the high-priest Jeshua, who appears in the vision of Zechariah (Zechariah 3:1-10; compare Ezra 2:2) in court before God, under accusation of Satan, and clad in filthy garments. Jeshua stands not only for himself, but as the representative of sinning and suffering Israel. Satan is defeated. The Lord rebukes him, and declares that he will redeem and restore this erring people; and in token thereof he commands that the accused priest be clad in clean robes and crowned with the priestly mitre.

Thus in this priestly Jeshua we have a type of our "Great High-Priest, touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and in all points tempted and tried like as we are;" confronting Satan in the wilderness; trying conclusions with him upon the victims of his malice - the sick, the sinful, and the demon-ridden. His royal robes are left behind. He counts not "equality with God a thing to be grasped at," but "empties himself," taking the "form of a servant," humbling himself and becoming "obedient even unto death" (Philippians 2:6, Philippians 2:7, Rev.). He assumes the stained garments of our humanity. He who "knew no sin" is "made to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in him" (2 Corinthians 5:21). He is at once priest and victim. He pleads for sinful man before God's throne. He will redeem him. He will rebuke the malice and cast down the power of Satan. He will behold him "as lightning fall from heaven" (Luke 10:18). He will raise and save and purify men of weak natures, rebellious wills, and furious passions - cowardly braggarts and deniers like Peter, persecutors like Saul of Tarsus, charred brands - and make them witnesses of his grace and preachers of his love and power. His kingdom shall be a kingdom of priests, and the song of his redeemed church shall be, "unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his own blood, and made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen" (Revelation 1:5, Revelation 1:6, in Rev.).

It is no mere fancy which sees a suggestion and a foreshadowing of the prophetic work of Jesus in the economy of salvation, in a third name closely akin to the former. Hoshea, which we know in our English Bible as Hosea, was the original name of Joshua (compare Romans 9:25, Rev.) and means saving. He is, in a peculiar sense, the prophet of grace and salvation, placing his hope in God's personal coming as the refuge and strength of humanity; in the purification of human life by its contact with the divine. The great truth which he has to teach is the love of Jehovah to Israel as expressed in the relation of husband, an idea which pervades his prophecy, and which is generated by his own sad domestic experience. He foreshadows Jesus in his pointed warnings against sin, his repeated offers of divine mercy, and his patient, forbearing love, as manifested in his dealing with an unfaithful and dissolute wife, whose soul he succeeded in rescuing from sin and death (Hosea 1-3). So long as he lived, he was one continual, living prophecy of the tenderness of God toward sinners; a picture of God's love for us when alien from him, and with nothing in us to love. The faithfulness of the prophetic teacher thus blends in Hosea, as in our Lord, with the compassion and sympathy and sacrifice of the priest.

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Do you think Matthew 11:17 originally spoke of:  singing?  piping?

Matthew 11:17, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) and say, We have sung to you, and you have not danced;
we have wailed unto you, and you have not mourned.
(KJV) And saying, We have piped [Greek:  Ēulēsamen/ Ηὐλήσαμεν/ We piped] unto you, and ye have not danced;
we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
(Clementine Vulgate) dicunt:  Cecinimus vobis, et non saltastis:
lamentavimus, et non planxistis.
[google translate kicked out both "we sang (to) you" and also "piped to you," so I have no idea what the Latin means]

The verse isn't in the Diatesseron.

[DavidFord]

"and these will go away to aionian - kolasin" should it seems to me read as:
     will go away to of a duration/age - (of) correction
I'm not sure about Simon the host.. leprou, same word used for others who were healed of the disease... not sure about Joseph either how that would be known.. would be quite a coincidence.. not a real important misunderstanding if it is.. My view is translators do indeed get some things wrong..
The word for the Ethiopian man was eunouchos, and it says he went to worship in Jerusalem but not that he entered the temple.. I don't know what the law was..
I do however think translators are prone to running with verses and with meanings of words!

The torment would be corrective, so yes, you could say age/world of correction.
Are you aware of any ex-lepers being called lepers?  It seems to me a huge slander to go around calling particular ex-lepers "lepers."
In Mt's geneology, the Aramaic 'gbra' can mean 'guardian male.'  It got mistranslated as 'husband' in Greek manuscripts.  Mary had a guardian father figure called Joseph, and also a husband called Joseph.  It's a big misunderstanding that Bible-critic Bart Erhman has discussed in a manner critical of the New Testament, and on which much ink has been used.
Eunuchs were prohibited from entering the temple.  Presumably the Ethiopian believer planned on worshiping in the temple.

[DavidFord]

Luke 11:33:  in a hidden place, or in a crypt/cellar?

Luke 11:33 (based on Younan), http://dukhrana.com
No man lights a lamp
and sets it in a hidden place or under a basket,
rather upon a menortha [lampstand]
so (that) those who enter may see nureh [its light].

Luke 11:33, version 1.3
"No one, when he has lit a lamp,
puts it in a cellar or under a basket,
but on a stand,
that those who come in may see the light.

Greek:  kryptēn/ κρύπτην/ crypt
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/11-33.htm

2926. krupté
https://biblehub.com/greek/2926.htm
krupté: a crypt
Original Word: κρύπτη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: krupté
Phonetic Spelling: (kroop-tay')
Definition: a crypt
Usage: a cellar, vault, hidden place, crypt.

_Our Translated Gospels:  Some of the Evidence_ (1936), 172pp. by Charles Cutler Torrey.  On 31, 32-33
https://archive.org/details/OurTranslatedGospelsCCTorrey/page/n1
c.  Lk. 11:33 ac. to Grk.:  No one lights a lamp and puts it IN A CELLAR (....[snip word having Hebrew/Aramaic characters]....).
True rendering:  No one lights a lamp and puts it in hiding (same word).   ....
Exhibit VI, C (Lk. 11:33).  Had Lk. never seen a cellar?  Did he not know how cellars were used? Doubtless on the day when he wrote these words, hundreds of men in Antioch (or wherever he lived) could have been seen to "light a lamp and put it in a cellar," with very useful result.  To express the general truth intended here, the word is ill chosen.

The reproach does not fall upon Lk., however.  He had no thought of a "cellar," nor can it have occurred to him that the word which he used might be thus interpreted.  The ancient translators of his Grk. understood him perfectly.  Jerome has _in abscondito_, and the Syr. versions render in the same way.  He merely uses the feminine adjective, "hidden."  Why feminine?  Because in the Aramaic language the neuter gender is expressed by the feminine, as in the adverbial phrase before his eyes.  It is simply his meticulous way of translating such phrases.  He does precisely the same thing in 14:18; see _The Four Gospels_, p. 311.  If he had had occasion to translate the passages Mt. 6:6, 18, where Grk. Mt. employs the neuter gender, he would have rendered just as he does here; without thinking that any one could interpret:  "Pray to your Father in a cellar, and your Father who sees in a cellar will reward you."

[marie glen]

We are like opposites! I am a lover of simplicity.. lol.

Right now there's two verses that seem to me to be loaded / say a lot, and they seem to me to be a great outline concerning true from not true.

How the Lord said (John 5:28-29) "all in the tombs" (graves) "will hear His voice and will come forth" (out of the graves/tombs) "those who have done good in the resurrection of life" (at Jesus' return/appearance beginning His long second advent) "and those who have done evil in the resurrection of judgment" - The Judgment the Lord talked about.. That resurrection being "after the thousand years"/millennium.

And how Peter shed light on The Judgment by writing "..God knows how to preserve the unrighteous for CORRECTION/kolazo on 'day' of judgment". 2 Peter 2:9

There are the two partnered false doctrines.
There were two opposing statements made after the fall into disobedience ..obviously engineered by God as (surely?) learning good from evil is totally unavoidable if there's to be created beings with genuine thinking and reasoning ability. And what better - or other - way than by letting choices other than His exist snd run their course - which of course the world judges God concerning.. as to PROVE good from evil / life from death, even some of the worst fruit must be allowed.. Even IF imperfection is a bottomless pit of potential..

Even Christian Universalism is caught up to a certain degree in the confusion and (unintended) veiling of the truth via confusion.. If we would understand the plain and simple Truth of the Word, the "good news for all" would not remain so easily debated.. but would be much clearer news.

Warning, off topic - And it's the Word that matters, and we have no stake in it, except to be true to the message / news. All too often discussion becomes like a matter of my take versus your take.. All that simply veiling the news. And is human what James called actually devilish..

I pray the news, in spite of all the obstacles, can be a straight and obvious way.. Easily seen and understood by all. Of course simple and plain does not glorify the speaker / communicator / teacher like presenting deeply hidden mysteries (depths) as they are thought of, showing how wise we are.. as we gather followers to ourselves.

Sorry venting a little I guess.

The Lord bless your studies! :gsmile:

[DavidFord]

Both the Greek and Latin Matthew 7:6 each have 2 mistranslations:

Matthew 7:6, http://dukhrana.com
(KJV)
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you.
(Clementine Vulgate)
Nolite dare sanctum canibus:  [google translate:  Do not give what is holy (to) dogs]
neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante porcos,
ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis,
et conversi dirumpant vos.
(based on Younan)
You should not hang earrings on dogs,
and you should not place your pearls before pigs,
that they should not trample them by their feet,
and they overtake and wound you.

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Both the Greek and Latin Matthew 9:15 have a mistranslation or corruption:

Matthew 9:14 (HCSB), https://biblehub.com/matthew/9-14.htm
Then John's disciples came to Him, saying, "Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?"

Matthew 9:15
https://biblehub.com/matthew/9-15.htm
http://dukhrana.com
(YLT)
And Jesus said to them,
'Can the sons of the bride-chamber mourn [Greek:  penthein/πενθεῖν/mourn],
so long as the bridegroom is with them?
but days shall come when the bridegroom may be taken from them,
and then they shall fast.
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
And Yeshua said to them,
"How can the children of the bridal chamber fast
as long as the groom is with them?
But the days are coming when the groom will be taken from them
and then they will fast."
(Clementine Vulgate)
Et ait illis Iesus: 
Numquid possunt filii sponsi lugere [google translate:  Can the wedding guests mourn],
quamdiu cum illis est sponsus?
Venient autem dies cum auferetur ab eis sponsus:
et tunc ieiunabunt.

3996. pentheó
https://biblehub.com/greek/3996.htm
pentheó: to mourn, lament
Original Word: πενθέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pentheó
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-theh'-o)
Definition: to mourn, lament
Usage: I mourn, lament, feel guilt.
HELPS Word-studies
3996 penthéō – properly, grieve over a death; (figuratively) to grieve over a personal hope (relationship) that dies, i.e. comes to divine closure ("ends").
3996 /penthéō ("mourn over a death") refers to "manifested grief" (WS, 360) – so severe it takes possession of a person and cannot be hid. (This is the same meaning of 3996 /penthéō throughout antiquity, cf. LS, R. Trench, Synonyms.)
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from penthos
Definition
to mourn, lament
NASB Translation
mourn (6), mourned (1), mourning (3).

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Both the Greek and Latin Matthew 1:16 have a mistranslation in calling a particular Joseph Mary's husband, when actually that Joseph was her protective male father figure.

http://dukhrana.com
(KJV)
Matthew 1:15 - And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
Matthew 1:16 - And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
(Clementine Vulgate)
Matthew 1:15 - Eliud autem genuit Eleazar.  Eleazar autem genuit Mathan.  Mathan autem genuit Iacob.
Matthew 1:16 - Iacob autem genuit Ioseph virum Mariæ [google translate:  Joseph, husband of Mary], de qua natus est Iesus, qui vocatur Christus.

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Both the Greek and Latin Matthew 27:9 erroneously claim that Jeremiah said something he didn't say.

Matthew 27:9a, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) Then was fulfilled what had been spoken by the prophet, who said, ....
(Murdock) Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by the prophet, saying: ....
(Lamsa) Then what was spoken by the prophet was fulfilled, who said, ....
(KJV) Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, ....
(Clementine Vulgate) Tunc impletum est quod dictum est per Ieremiam prophetam, dicentem:  ....

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When it was originally written, do you think Luke 1:17 said 'to make ready a people ready for the Lord'/ 'to prepare a people prepared for the Lord'?

Luke 1:17, http://dukhrana.com
(Murdock) And he will go before him, in the spirit and power of Elijah the prophet,
and will turn the heart of the fathers unto the children,
and them that are disobedient to the knowledge of the righteous,
and will prepare a perfect people for the Lord.
(KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias,
to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,
and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just;
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/1-17.htm
hetoimasai/ ἑτοιμάσαι/ to-make-ready
kateskeuasmenon/ κατεσκευασμένον/ prepared

2090. hetoimazó
https://biblehub.com/greek/2090.htm
hetoimazó: to prepare
Original Word: ἑτοιμάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hetoimazó
Phonetic Spelling: (het-oy-mad'-zo)
Definition: to prepare
Usage: I make ready, prepare.

2680. kataskeuazó
https://biblehub.com/greek/2680.htm
kataskeuazó: to prepare
Original Word: κατασκευάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kataskeuazó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ask-yoo-ad'-zo)
Definition: to prepare
Usage: I build, construct, prepare, make ready.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/luke/1-17.htm
To make ready a people prepared for the Lord.  The Vulgate Latin and Syriac versions read, "a perfect people"; ....

Unlike what's present in Greek mss. for Luke 1:17, the Aramaic 'prepare' and 'mature' are completely non-redundant:

Luk 1:17 (modified APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
and he will go before him b'r-u-kh-a [in the spirit] a'b'kh-i-l-a [and in the power] d'A-l-i-a [of Elijah] n-b-i-a [the prophet],
that he might turn the heart of the parents to the children
and those who are disobedient to the knowledge of the upright,
w'n-t-i-b [and he will prepare] ai-m-a [a people] g-m-i-r-a [mature] l'MrYa [for Master YHWH, i.e. for the LORD]."

ṭyb   vb.  D to prepare
http://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=%2Byb+V%20&cits=all
1  to prepare  Syr. OS MtCur3:3 : .... prepare a road for the Lord, and make straight the paths of our God. P Lk24:1 : ....‏  those herbs they had prepared. (a) to produce, provide  Syr. SyrAhiq 5 385:19 : .... I presented you before him. P Gn24:12 : ....‏ . (b) to destine  Syr. AGnEx 35.8 :  ....  that is worthy of the excessive retribution that is destined for them.
Dt ....
1  to prepare oneself  Syr. P Ex33:8 : ....  . P 1S12:16 : ....  . P Ps94:16 : ....‏ .
2  to happen to be in a certain place at a certain time  Syr. MiS 472b:44 . (a) w. b: to take part in an event  Syr. BHce 2:725:21 .
3  to hurry  Syr. P Ps119:60 :  ....

gmyr   (gmīr)   adj.  perfect, complete, total
http://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=gmyr+A%20&cits=all
1  perfect, complete, total  Com-OA-OfA.  .... 1QEnGiantsb07.2 : כולא גמירת ‏ . P Nm4:6 : .... a completely blue garment. P 1S7:9 : ....  . P Jn17:23 : .... . TGAs28(1) 23.2.18 : זביני גמירי ‏  a complete sale.

[DavidFord]

Both the Greek and Latin Matthew 17:11 say that 'Elijah' would "restore all things."  Yes, John the Baptizer was a good guy who did some important things, including fulfilling prophecy he needed to fulfill, and helping pave the way for the fulfillment of what needed to be fulfilled, but to say he 'restored all things' goes a bit far.  The Greek should have been more conservative in its translating of the Aramaic.  Hat tip:
http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/gb4.html#mat17

Matthew 17:11, http://dukhrana.com
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/17-11.htm
(Etheridge) Jeshu answered and said to them,
Elia cometh first that he may fulfil every thing;
(Murdock) Jesus answered, and said to them:
Elijah doth first come, to fulfill every thing.
(Lamsa) Jesus answered and said to them,
Elijah will come first, so that everything might be fulfilled.
(KJV) And Jesus answered and said unto them,
Elias truly shall first come, and restore [Greek:  apokatastēsei/ ἀποκαταστήσει/ will-restore] all things.
(Clementine Vulgate) At ille respondens, ait eis:
Elias quidem venturus est, et restituet omnia.
[google translate:  Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things]

Mat 17:11   (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
Jesus answered and said,
"Elijah comes first to fulfill everything.

Matthew 17:11 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
https://biblehub.com/matthew/17-11.htm
Yeshua answered and he said to them,
"Elijah does come first so that everything may end."

600. apokathistémi
https://biblehub.com/greek/600.htm
apokathistémi: to restore, give back
Original Word: ἀποκαθίστημι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apokathistémi
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ok-ath-is'-tay-mee)
Definition: to restore, give back
Usage: I set up again, restore to its original position or condition; hence: I restore, give back.
HELPS Word-studies
600 apokathístēmi (from 570 /apistía, "separated from" and 2525 /kathístēmi, "have a definite standing") – properly, restore back to original standing, i.e. that existed before a fall; re-establish, returning back to the (ultimate) ideal; (figuratively) restore back to full freedom (the liberty of the original standing); to enjoy again, i.e. what was taken away by a destructive or life-dominating power.
600/apokathistēmi ("reestablish") emphasizes separation from the former, negative influence to enjoy what is forward (the restoration).

CAL
http://cal.huc.edu/getlex.php?coord=620431318&word=13
G
  1 to be whole, perfect Com. --(b) to regain health Syr.
  2 to be complete, finished Com. --(a) to come true, be fulfilled Syr. (a.1) of scripture: to be fulfilled .... Syr. --(b) +l_ + inf. : to finish doing (or: to be proper to do?) Qum.  ....
D
  1 to finish (trans.) Syr. --(a) to destroy Syr, JBA. --(b) (period of time) to conclude Syr. --(c) to lose something Syr.
  2 to pay in full Com. --(a) to make restitution JLAtg, PTA, Syr, JBA, LJLA.  ....
C
  1 to complete Qum, JLAtg, PTA, Sam, Syr, JBA, LJLA. --(a) to fill up Gal. --(b) to supplement Gal. --(c) to fulfill, accomplish JLAtg. --(d) to heal Syr.
  2 to hand over, transmit BA-Da, Qum, Gal, Sam, Syr, JBA, Man, LJLA. --(a) to entrust Palm, Syr. --(b) to betray Syr.
....
  6 to recite a teaching Gal, Sam.  ....
Gt
  1 to be handed over, delivered Palm, Syr. --(a) to be transmitted Syr.
  2 to hand oneself over Syr. --(a) to consent Syr.
Dt
  1 to be completed, filled out Qum, Syr. --(a) to be perfected, finished Syr, Man, LJLA. --(b) to be fulfilled JLAtg, Syr.
  2 (obligation) to be paid back Qum, JBA, LJLA. --(a) (person) to be repaid LJLA. ....
Ct
  1 to be delivered over Syr.
  2 to accept what is handed over Syr.

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My response to this appears below; how would you respond to this?:
"Next up, Matthew 2:23 "and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, 'that he would be called a Nazarene.' " Can you show me anywhere in the Hebrew Bible where this prophecy occurs?"

The prophet Isaiah foresaw this:
Isaiah 11:1-2 (HCSB)
1 Then a shoot [Hebrew:  ntzr] will grow from the stump of Jesse,
and a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him—
a Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
a Spirit of counsel and strength,
a Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.

interlinear PDF of Isaiah 11:1 has 'ntzr'/ scion
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/isa11.pdf

Yeshayah 11:1 (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2011%3A1-2&version=KJV;OJB
And there shall come forth a Khoter (Branch) out of the Geza (Stem, Stump, Stock) of Yishai,
and a Netzer [Branch [see Tzemach, Moshiach Jer 23:5; 33:15; Zech 3:8; 6:12, Ezra 3:8 which give as Moshiach's Namesake Yehoshua/Yeshua; compare Mt.2:23 OJBC] shall bear fruit of his roots:

Mt 2:23 (based on Younan plus looking at Khabouris), http://dukhrana.com
And he came (and) dwelled in the medintha [city] that is called N-tz-r-th [Natzrath],
so that might be fulfilled the thing which was spoken b'nabia [by the prophet] that,
"He will be called d'n-tz-r-i-a [of natzria]."

_Our Translated Gospels:  Some of the Evidence_ (1936), 172pp. by Charles Cutler Torrey.  On 152, 153-154
https://archive.org/stream/OurTranslatedGospelsCCTorrey/OurTranslatedGospels-C-C-Torrey_djvu.txt
c. Mt. 2:23 ac. to Grk.: He came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth; in fulfilment of that which was said by the prophets, that he should be called a nazarene (....).
True rendering: (The prophecy was fulfilled) that HE SHOULD BE CALLED 'BRANCH' (.... [same Hebrew/Aramaic characters, but without an extraneous character, and 3 characters vocalized slightly differently]....).
....
Exhibit XXIV, C (Mt. 2:23).  This passage, also, furnishes a very obvious specimen of mistranslation, or erroneous transcription, of a written Aramaic original.

The alleged citation of "the prophets" has been the subject of endless discussion from the first Christian centuries onward, but the riddle has remained unsolved.  And indeed, it is perfectly insoluble on the supposition of a gospel composed in Greek.  There is no such prediction in the O.T., nor anything that could justify the evangelist's (apparent) assertion.  Interpreters in a long succession, beginning with St. Jerome, have wished to find here some legitimate connection with the _Neser_, "Branch," of Is. 11:1, but without success.  This is, nevertheless, the scripture to which Mt. refers; and inasmuch as the Messiah is also styled "Branch" in Jer. 23:5 and 33:15 (though another Hebrew word is employed), the evangelist's plural, "prophets," has a fair excuse.

Just as soon as the phrase, "he shall be called _Neser_," is written _in Aramaic letters_, the long-existing puzzle is explained.  Because of the statement immediately preceding, that Jesus dwelt in Nazareth _in fulfilment of scripture_, the copyist or translator would be certain to regard the _yodh_ following the name as the ending of the gentilic adjective, forming the word "Nazarene."  The scribe would write the letter twice, the reader would see it double, and certainly neither could be supposed to "look up" the reference in whatever scrolls of the Hebrew prophets it might be possible to acquire!  _"Neser"_ and "Nazareth" belong to the same Semitic root, and I plan to show in another place, on the basis of well-known usage, why the Greek transcription of the gentilic adjective contains _zeta omega_.

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As you look at Luke 7:45, when did the female sinner start kissing Jesus' feet:  as soon as Jesus arrived at the Pharisee's house, or as soon as she arrived?
Hat tip:
http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/gb4.html#luk7

Luke 7:37, https://biblehub.com/luke/7-37.htm
(HCSB)
And a woman in the town who was a sinner found out that Jesus was reclining at the table in the Pharisee's house.  She brought an alabaster jar of fragrant oil
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
And a sinner woman who was in the city, when she knew that he was staying in the Pharisee's house, she took an alabaster vase of ointment.

Luke 7:45, https://biblehub.com/luke/7-45.htm
(YLT)
a kiss to me thou didst not give, but this woman, from what time I came in, did not cease kissing my feet;
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
"You did not kiss me, but look, from when she entered, she has not ceased to kiss my feet."

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As you look at Luke 9:32-33, how is Luke 9:32 best rendered:  "scarcely/barely awake," or "fully/thoroughly awake"?
Hat tip:
http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/gb4.html#luk9

Luke 9:32
http://dukhrana.com
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/9-32.htm
(Etheridge) And Shemun, and they who were with him, had been heavy with sleep,
and were scarcely awaked when they saw his glory and those two men who stood with him.
(Murdock) And Simon and those with him were oppressed with drowsiness;
and being scarcely awake, they saw his glory, and those two men who stood near him.
(KJV) But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep:
and when they were awake [Greek:  diagrēgorēsantes/διαγρηγορήσαντες/ having awoken fully], they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

(Clementine Vulgate) Petrus vero, et qui cum illo erant, gravati erant somno.
Et evigilantes viderunt maiestatem eius, et duos viros, qui stabant cum illo.
[google translate:  "But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep.  When they woke up and saw his glory, and the two men who stood with him" or maybe:  "But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep.  And having waked, they saw his glory, and the two men who stood with him."]

lmḥsn (lmaḥsan) adv. with difficulty
http://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=lmxsn+X%20&cits=all
1  with difficulty  Syr. AGnEx 126.23 :  ....  with difficulty she was convinced that she should become wet-nurse to her son. P Ps90:10 : .... the years of our lives include seventy years, and with difficulty, eight years. P Lk9:32 : .... . WisSol9:16 : ....‏  it is with difficulty that we understand the things on the earth. IIIMac7:6 : ‍.... . (a) barely, only, just  Syr. AGnEx 89.25 : .... by means of the Son hidden in him, he rolled away the stone that many could barely raise up. WisSol9:16 : ....  we can only barely understand those things that are on the earth.

1235. diagrégoreó
https://biblehub.com/greek/1235.htm
diagrégoreó: to keep awake, to be fully awake
Original Word: διαγρηγορέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diagrégoreó
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ag-ray-gor-eh'-o)
Definition: to keep awake, to be fully awake
Usage: I awake out of sleep, am thoroughly awake.
HELPS Word-studies
1235 diagrēgoréō (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly" which intensifies 1127 /grēgoreúō, "awaken") – properly, thoroughly, fully (totally) awakened (note the force of the prefix, dia) and used only in Lk 9:32. It emphatically expresses how the sleeping apostles were utterly shocked into full-alertness by the manifestation of Christ's glory.

Luke 9:33 (Berean Study Bible), https://biblehub.com/luke/9-33.htm
As Moses and Elijah were leaving, Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters:  one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."  (He did not know what he was saying.)

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For Lk 9:46, instead of "argument," it'd be better to put 'thought,' given 9:47.
Is the phrasing "reasoning of their hearts" more at home in:  Greek thought?  Semitic (Hebrew or Aramaic) thought?

9:46 There arose an argument among them about which of them was the
greatest. 9:47 Jesus, perceiving the reasoning of their hearts, took a little child,
and set him by his side, 9:48 and said to them....

1261. dialogismos
https://biblehub.com/greek/1261.htm
dialogismos: a reasoning
Original Word: διαλογισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: dialogismos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-al-og-is-mos')
Definition: a reasoning
Usage: a calculation, reasoning, thought, movement of thought, deliberation, plotting.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1261 dialogismós (from 1260 /dialogízomai, "back-and-forth reasoning") – reasoning that is self-based and therefore confused – especially as it contributes to reinforcing others in discussion to remain in their initial prejudice. See 1260 (dialogizomai).
....
Matthew 15:19 N-NMP
GRK: καρδίας ἐξέρχονται διαλογισμοὶ πονηροί φόνοι
NAS: evil thoughts, murders,
KJV: evil thoughts, murders,
INT: heart come forth thoughts evil murders

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The Aramaic Peshi tta says at Lk 15:25 that as the elder brother of the prodigal son came near to the celebration of the prodigal son's return, "he heard the sound of the singing of many"-- with no mention of any dancing.  There's also no mention of dancing in the by-A.D. 175 Diatesseron.  Do you think mention of dancing does, or doesn't, belong there?

Luke 15:25 (HCSB)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2015%3A25&version=HCSB
"Now his older son was in the field; as he came near the house, he heard music and dancing.

Luk 15:25 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
Now his oldest son was in the field and when he arrived and came near to the house, he heard the sound of the singing of many.

Diatesseron, Section XXVI.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
His father said unto his servants, Bring forth a stately robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and put on him shoes on his feet: and bring and slay a fatted ox, that we may eat and make merry:  for this my son was dead, and is alive; and was lost, and is found.  And they began to be merry.  Now his elder son was in the field; and when he came and drew near to the house, he heard the sound of many singing.  And he called one of the lads, and asked him what this was.  He said unto him, Thy brother hath arrived; and thy father hath slain a fatted ox....

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In Lk 16:6-7 of the Aramaic Peshi tta, and also in the by-A.D. 175 Diatesseron, there are 2 references to sitting down.  Greek and Latin mss. only speak of sitting down 1 time, in Lk 16:6.  Do you think a reference to sitting down does, or doesn't, belong in Lk 16:7?

Luke 16:6, http://dukhrana.com
(Murdock) And he said to him, One hundred measures of oil.  And he said to him:  Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write Fifty measures.
(KJV) And he said, An hundred measures of oil.  And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
(Clementine Vulgate) At ille dixit:  Centum cados olei.  Dixitque illi:  Accipe cautionem tuam:  et sede cito, scribe quinquaginta.
[google translate:  He said, A hundred barrels of oil.  And he said to him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.]

Luke 16:7
(Etheridge) And he said to another, And thou, how much owest thou to my lord ?  He saith to him, An hundred kureen [The Hebrew kor was about seventy-five gallons, five pints.] of wheat.  He saith to him, Take thy book, and sit down, write eighty kureen.
(KJV) Then said he to another, And how much owest thou?  And he said, An hundred measures of wheat.  And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
(Clementine Vulgate) Deinde alii dixit:  Tu vero quantum debes?  Qui ait:  Centum coros tritici.  Ait illi:  Accipe litteras tuas, et scribe octoginta.
[google translate:  Then he said:  And how much do you owe?  And he said, 'A hundred measures of wheat.'  He said to him, 'Take your bill, and write eighty.']

Diatessaron, Section XXVI
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
[~38] And he called one after another of his lord's debtors, and said to the first, How much owest thou my lord?  He said unto him, An hundred portions of oil.  He said unto him, Take thy writing, and sit down, and write quickly fifty portions.
And he said to the next, And thou, how much owest thou my lord?  He said unto him, An hundred cors of wheat.  He said unto him, Take thy writing, and sit down, and write eighty cors.

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In Lk 13:33 of the Aramaic Peshi tta, and also in the by-A.D. 175 Diatesseron, Jesus said that he would "leave the next day; because it is impossible that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem."  Greek and Latin mss. lack any mention of Jesus saying he'd leave/go/depart.  Do you think a reference to leaving does, or doesn't, belong in Lk 13:33?

Luke 13:33, http://dukhrana.com
(Murdock) But I must labor to-day and to-morrow, and on the following day I will go;
because it cannot be, that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.
(Lamsa) But I must do my work today and tomorrow, and I will leave the next day;
because it is impossible that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem.
(KJV) Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following:
for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
(Clementine Vulgate) Verumtamen oportet me hodie et cras et sequenti die ambulare:
quia non capit prophetam perire extra Ierusalem.
[google translate:  But for today and tomorrow and the day after walk;
Because no prophet can die outside of Jerusalem.]

Diatessaron, Section XXIV
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
[~29] Nevertheless I must be watchful to-day and to-morrow, and on the last day I shall depart;
for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

[marie glen]

About Elijah restoring - the word is a derivative of - Apocatastasis (also apokatastasis) which means “restoration to the original condition”. The Hebrews had strayed from solid biblical perception to perceptions of the nations. So Elijah was bringing Israel back to the beginning of salvation - which is repentance.

Isaiah 11:1 - Young's Literal Translation
“And a rod hath come out from the stock of Jesse, And a branch from his roots is fruitful.”

Branch being - netser/netzer, sprout, shoot, branch..

Nazareth (/ˈnæzərəθ/; Arabic: النَّاصِرَة‎, an-Nāṣira; Hebrew: נָצְרַת, Natzrat; Hebrew netzer, which means “branch” or “shoot.” Sometimes when a tree is chopped down, a shoot will grow from the stump, allowing a new tree to spring up where the old one has died. That shoot is called, in Hebrew, a netzer.

Thanks.. mystery solved.. (of how living in Nazareth (Netzer) and called a Nazarine (Netzer / branch) fulfilled prophecy spoken by a prophet.

[DavidFord]

Do you think Luke 19:17 has "ten talents," or "ten cities"?

Luke 19:17, http://dukhrana.com
(Lamsa) He said to him, O good servant, because you are found faithful in a little, you will have charge over ten talents.
(KJV) And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant:  because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
(Clementine Vulgate) Et ait illi:  Euge bone serve, quia in modico fuisti fidelis, eris potestatem habens super decem civitates. 
[modified google translate:  maybe:  And he said, Well done good servant, because in short you were faithful, have authority over ten cities.]
(APNT), https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
He said to him, 'Well done, good servant.  Because you have been found faithful with little, you will be a ruler over ten walled cities.'

From
http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/gb4.html#luk19
Why does this says "minin" (talents) instead of "cities"?  The Matthew 25 account is almost identical, but it is not about cities either.  "The largest coins in those days, probably equivalent to 3000 shekels—a Minin, talent, was a large coin of silver or gold.  A man could carry only one of them.  The Greek translators made an error when they translated this word Minin, for Karkha, province.  The difference between these two words is noted with a single dot placed over one of the characters and can be easily confused.  This nobleman could not have given his servants ten and five cities as a reward for their faithfulness, for he himself had only one city and his servants were not qualified to be rulers."—Was the New Testament Really Written in Greek?

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For Luke 20:41, do you think it originally said:  "they"?  "the Scribes"?

Luke 20:41
https://biblehub.com/luke/20-41.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/20-41.htm
(Berean Literal Bible)
And He said to them, "How do they declare [Greek:  legousin/ λέγουσιν/ do they declare] the Christ to be Son of David?
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
He said to them, "How do the Scribes say about The Messiah that he is the son of David?

Luke 20:41
(Etheridge) AND he said to them, How say the Sophree concerning the Meshicha, that he is the Son of David ?
(Murdock) And he said also to them:  How do the Scribes say of Messiah, that he is the son of David?
(KJV) And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
(Clementine Vulgate) Dixit autem ad illos:  Quomodo dicunt Christum, filium esse David?
[google translate:  He said to them, do they say that Christ is the son of David?]

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When Luke 21:11 was originally written, did it refer to bad weather?  Greek and Latin mss. don't mention such, while in contrast, the Aramaic Peshi tta and the by-A.D. 175 Diatesseron *do* mention that.
Hat tip:
http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/gb4.html#luk21

earthquakes, famines and pestilences, fearful sights, great signs
earthquakes, famines and plagues, panics and terror, great signs, great storms
earthquakes, famines and plagues, fears and panic, great signs, much foul weather
earthquakes, famines and deaths and agitations, fear and terror, great signs, great storms

Luke 21:11
https://biblehub.com/luke/21-11.htm
(Berean Literal Bible)
There will be both great earthquakes, and famines and pestilences in different places.  There will also be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
Great earthquakes shall be in various places, and there shall be famines and plagues and panics and terror, and great signs from the sky shall appear and there shall be great storms.

Luk 21:11 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
and great earthquakes will occur in various places, and famines and plagues, and there will be fears and panic, and great signs from heaven will be seen and there will be much foul weather.

Luke 21:11, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) and great earthquakes will be in divers places, and famines, and plagues; and there will be portents, and terrors, and great signs from the heavens will appear, and great tempests shall there be.
(Murdock) and great earthquakes will occur in several places, and famines, and pestilences; and there will be terrors, and trepidations, and great signs from heaven will be seen, and there will be great tempests.
(Lamsa) And there will be great earthquakes in different places, and famines and plagues; and there will be alarming sights, and great signs will appear from heaven; and the winters will be severe.
(KJV) And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
(Clementine Vulgate) Et terræmotus magni erunt per loca, et pestilentiæ, et fames, terroresque de cælo, et signa magna erunt.
[modified google translate:  maybe:  Great earthquakes in various places, and plagues, and famines, terrors from heaven, and there will be great signs.]

Diatesseron, Section XLI
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
[~41] and great earthquakes shall be in one place and another, and there shall be famines and deaths and agitations:  and there shall be fear and terror and great signs that shall appear from heaven, and there shall be great storms.

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When Luke 22:47 was originally written, do you think it had the short version seen in Greek and Latin mss., or the long version present in the Aramaic Peshi tta?

Luke 22:47, http://dukhrana.com
(KJV) And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
(Clementine Vulgate) Adhuc eo loquente ecce turba: et qui vocabatur Iudas, unus de duodecim, antecedebat eos:  et appropinquavit Iesu ut oscularetur eum.
[google translate:  And while he yet spake, behold, a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, was going before them:  and he drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.]

Luk 22:47 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
And while he was speaking, behold, a crowd with him who was called Judas, one of the twelve, came before them.  And he came near to Jesus and kissed him, for he had given this sign to them, "Whomever I kiss is him."

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When Luke 24:1 was originally written, do you think it did, or didn't, mention things still being "dark"?  Greek and Latin mss. don't mention such, while in contrast, the Aramaic Peshi tta and the by-A.D. 175 Diatesseron *do* mention that.
Hat tip:
http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/gb4.html#luk24

Luke 24:1, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) But on the first (day) in the week, in the morning, while yet dark, they came to the sepulchre, and brought those aromatics which they had prepared; and with them there were other women.
(KJV) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
(Clementine Vulgate) Una autem Sabbati valde diluculo venerunt ad monumentum, portantes quæ paraverant, aromata:
[modified google translate:  maybe:  Very early on Saturday at early dawn, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices they had prepared:]

Diatessaron, Section LII
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
45 And in the evening of the sabbath, which is the morning of the first day, and in the dawning while the darkness yet remained, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary and other women to see the tomb.  They brought with them the perfume which they had prepared, and said among themselves, Who is it that will remove for us the stone from the door of the tomb? for it was very great.

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When Luke 6:35 was originally written, do you think it did, or didn't, have an "and" after "lend" (as is the case with the Aramaic Peshi tta and with the by-A.D. 175 Diatessaron)?
What do you think Luke 6:35 originally meant?:
"and lend, hoping for nothing in return"
"and lend, in nothing despairing"
"and lend, driving no man to despair"
"and lend, and do not cut off the hope of any person"

Diatessaron, Section IX
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
[~18] But love your enemies, and do good to them, and lend, and cut not off the hope of any man;
that your reward may be great, and ye may be the children of the Highest:  for he is lenient towards the wicked and the ungrateful.

Luke 6:35
https://biblehub.com/luke/6-35.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/6-35.htm
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
"But love your enemies and treat them well and lend and do not cut off the hope of any person,
and your reward shall be great and you shall be the children of The Highest because he is kind toward the evil and toward the unbelievers."
(NKJV)
But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return;
and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.
Greek:
mēden/ μηδὲν/ nothing
apelpizontes/ ἀπελπίζοντες

560. apelpizó
https://biblehub.com/greek/560.htm
apelpizó: to despair of
Original Word: ἀπελπίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apelpizó
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-el-pid'-zo)
Definition: to despair of
Usage: I give up in despair, despair of; I hope to receive from or in return.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from apo and elpizó

575. apo
https://biblehub.com/greek/575.htm
apo: from, away from
Original Word: ἀπό
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: apo
Phonetic Spelling: (apo')
Definition: from, away from
Usage: from, away from.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a preposition and a prim. particle
Definition
from, away from
NASB Translation
after (1), against (4), ago (2), alike* (1), among (2), away (3), away* (1), because (9), before* (1), belonged (1), deserting* (1), distance (1), hereafter* (1), initiative (1), left (1), off (1), once* (1), since (11), since* (3), some (1), way (1).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 575: ἀπό
ἀπό (from Homer down), preposition with the genitive (Latina,ab,abs, German von,ab,weg (cf. English of, off)), from, signifying now separation, now origin. On its use in the N. T., in which the influence of the Hebrew מִן is traceable, cf. Winers Grammar, 864f (342), 369ff (346ff); Buttmann, 321ff (276ff).

1679. elpizó
https://biblehub.com/greek/1679.htm
elpizó: to expect, to hope (for)
Original Word: ἐλπίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: elpizó
Phonetic Spelling: (el-pid'-zo)
Definition: to expect, to hope (for)
Usage: I hope, hope for, expect, trust.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1679 elpízō (from 1680 /elpís, "hope") – to hope, actively waiting for God's fulfillment about the faith He has inbirted through the power of His love (cf. Gal 5:6 with Heb 11:1). See 1680 (elpis).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from elpomai (to anticipate, expect)
Definition
to expect, to hope (for)
NASB Translation
expect (1), expected (1), fix...hope (2), fixed...hope (2), hope (13), hoped (3), hopes (1), hoping (4), set...hope (2), trust (1).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1679: ἐλπίζω
ἐλπίζω; imperfect ἠλπιζον; Attic future ἐλπιῶ (Matthew 12:21, and often in the Sept. ((whence in Romans 15:12); cf. Buttmann, 37 (32); Winer's Grammar, § 13, 1 c.); the common form ἐλπίσω does not occur in Biblical Greek); 1 aorist ἤλπισα; perfect ἠλπικα; (present passive ἐλπίζομαι); (ἐλπίς, which see); the Sept. for בָּטַח to trust; חָסָה to flee for refuge; יִחֵל to wait, to hope; to hope (in a religious sense, to wait for salvation with joy and full of confidence):  ....
Peculiar to Biblical Greek is the construction of this verb with prepositions and a case of noun or pronoun (cf. Buttmann, 175f (152f) (cf. 337 (290); Winer's Grammar, § 33, d.; Ellicott on 1 Timothy 4:10)): εἰς τινα, to direct hope unto one, John 5:45 (perfect ἠλπίκατε, in whom you have put your hope, and rely upon it (Winer's Grammar, § 40, 4 a.)); 1 Peter 3:5 L T Tr WH; with addition of ὅτι with future 2 Corinthians 1:10 (L text Tr WH brackets ὅτι, and so detach the following clause); ἐπί τίνι, to build hope on one, as on a foundation (often in the Sept.): Romans 15:12 (from Isaiah 11:10); 1 Timothy 4:10; 1 Timothy 6:17; ἐν τίνι, to repose hope in one, 1 Corinthians 15:19; followed by infinitive Philippians 2:19; ἐπί with according to direct hope toward something: ἐπί τί, to hope to receive something, 1 Peter 1:13; ἐπί τόν Θεόν, of those who hope for something from God, 1 Peter 3:5 R G; 1 Timothy 5:5, (and often in the Sept.). (Compare: ἀπελπίζω, προελπίζω.)

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/luke/6-35.htm
Hoping for nothing again.—Better, _in nothing losing hope_.  It is possible that the Greek verb may have the sense given in the text, but its uniform signification in the LXX. (as in Ecclesiasticus 22:21-24; Ecclesiasticus 27:21), which must be allowed great weight in interpreting a writer like St. Luke, is that of "giving up hope," _despairing_.  And this gives, it is obvious, a meaning not less admirable than that of the received version, "Give and lend according to the law of Christ, and do not let the absence of immediate profit make you lose heart and hope."  There is a "great reward."  The last words at least remind us of the promise made to Abraham, and may be interpreted by it. God Himself is our "exceeding great reward" (Genesis 15:1).  One or two MSS. give a masculine instead of a neuter pronoun after the verb, and in that case the verb must be taken as transitive. We have accordingly to choose between _in nothing despairing_, or _driving no man to despair_.  On the whole, the former seems preferable.  So taken, we may compare it with St. Paul's description of "charity" or "love," as "hoping all things" (1Corinthians 13:7), and his counsel, "Be not weary in well doing" (Galatians 6:9).

Luk 6:35 (APNT)
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-parallel-versions-search
But love your enemies and do good to them and lend and do not cut off the hope of anyone,
and your reward will be increased and you will be the sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the evil and to the unthankful.

Luke 6:35, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) But love your adversaries, and do good to them, and lend, and cut not off the hope of any one;
and great shall be your reward, and you shall be the children of the Most High; for he is benign to the evil and to the ungrateful.
(Murdock) But love ye your enemies, and do them good; and lend ye, and disappoint the hopes of no one:
and great will be your reward, and ye will be children of the Highest; for he is kind to the evil, and to the unthankful.
(Lamsa) But love your enemies, and do good to them, and lend, and do not cut off any man's hope;
so your reward will increase, and you will become sons of the Highest; for he is gracious to the wicked and the cruel.
(KJV) But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again;
and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
(Clementine Vulgate) Verumtamen diligite inimicos vestros: benefacite, et mutuum date, nihil inde sperantes:
et erit merces vestra multa, et eritis filii Altissimi, quia ipse benignus est super ingratos et malos.
[google translate:  But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return;
and your reward will be great and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.]

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When Luke 7:24 was originally written, do you think it had:  disciples?  messengers?

Luke 7:24
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
https://biblehub.com/luke/7-24.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/7-24.htm
(Berean Literal Bible)
And the messengers [Greek:  angelōn/ ἀγγέλων] of John having departed, He began to speak to the crowds concerning John: "What have you gone out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind?
(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
But when the disciples [Aramaic:  th-l-m-i-d-u-hi] of Yohannan left, he began to say to the crowds about Yohannan, "What did you go out to the wilderness to see?  A reed being shaken by the wind?"

by-A.D. 175 Diatessaron, Section XIII
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
[~44] And when John's disciples departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see?  a reed shaken with the winds?

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When Luke 7:28 was originally written, do you think it had:  prophet?  Baptist?

Luke 7:28 (HCSB)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke+7%3A28&version=HCSB
I tell you, among those born of women no one is greater than John,[a]
but the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."
a:  Other mss read _women is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist_

Luke 7:28, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) I tell you, that no prophet among those born of women (hath been) greater than Juchanon the Baptizer.
Yet the least in the kingdom of Aloha is greater than he.
(Murdock) I say to you, that no prophet, among those born of women, was greater than John the Baptizer:
and yet the little one in the kingdom of God, is greater than he.
(Lamsa) I say to you that there is no prophet among those who are born of women, who is greater than John the Baptist;
and yet even the least person in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
(KJV) For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist:
but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
(Clementine Vulgate) Dico enim vobis:  Maior inter natos mulierum propheta Ioanne Baptista nemo est.
Qui autem minor est in regno Dei, maior est illo.
[google translate at one point had:  ....greater prophet than John the Baptist....]

[marie glen]

 :Chinscratch: I've been thinking perhaps it will take the millenium ("the thousand years") for us to learn God's Word.. maybe part of the reason for it taking such a long duration is because we will have to learn the Aramaic and Hebrew.. ?

To be fit to serve during the duration called "the judgment".

:Chinscratch: ?

Even if during the pause of, or during the holding back of Seal 6 after its first occurrence, two great crowds/folds will be sealed with the Seal of God on their foreheads, which I assume means clarity given. There being two crowds in Revelation chapter 7, because one is numbered/counted, and one is too many to number/count. (Seal 6 however described in its totality of effect from its first to last [occurrence]).

[DavidFord]

For Mt 25:1, both the Aramaic Peshi tta and the by-A.D. 175 Diatesseron have "the bridegroom and the bride."  When Mt 25:1 was originally written, did it say:
"the bridegroom and the bride"?  or merely "the bridegroom"?

Matthew 25:1
http://web.ovc.edu/terry/tc/lay03mat.htm
TEXT: "and went out to meet the bridegroom."
EVIDENCE: S B C K L W X2 Delta Pi f13 28 33 565 700 892 1010 1241 Byz Lect syr(h,pal) cop
TRANSLATIONS: KJV ASV RSV NASV NIV NEB TEV
RANK: C
NOTES: "and went out to meet the bridegroom and the bride."
EVIDENCE: D X* Theta f1 1195*vid lat vg syr(s,p,h+)
TRANSLATIONS: RSVn
COMMENTS: While it is possible that the words "and the bride" were omitted by copyists to focus the parable on the bridegroom, who represents Christ, it is more likely that the words were added by other copyists to reflect the custom of the bridegroom bringing the bride back to his house for the wedding.

Matthew 25:1, http://dukhrana.com
(Etheridge) THEN shall be likened the kingdom of heaven unto ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom and the bride.
(KJV) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
(Clementine Vulgate) Tunc simile erit regnum cælorum decem virginibus:  quæ accipientes lampades suas exierunt obviam sponso, et sponsæ.
[google translate:  Then heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps went out to meet the groom and the bride.]

Diatessaron, Section XLIII
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/diatessaron.html
9 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be like unto ten virgins, those that took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom and the bride.

[DavidFord]

I've been thinking perhaps it will take the millenium ("the thousand years") for us to learn God's Word.. maybe part of the reason for it taking such a long duration is because we will have to learn the Aramaic and Hebrew.. ?
To be fit to serve during the duration called "the judgment".

I suspect that the Millennium already occurred, either by the end of A.D. 70, or by the end of A.D. 1070.  Very-limited humans on earth have learned Hebrew, and have learned Aramaic, reasonably well, despite it not being their native tongue.

[DavidFord]

Do you think the writer of Mark should have used the Greek word for Saturday, instead of using a transliteration of Hebrew/Aramaic?

Mark 3 (YLT)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%203&version=YLT
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/3-2.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/3-4.htm
1 And he entered again into the synagogue, and there was there a man having the hand withered,
2 and they were watching him, whether on the sabbaths [Greek:  sabbasin/ σάββασιν/ Sabbaths] he will heal him, that they might accuse him.
3 And he saith to the man having the hand withered, 'Rise up in the midst.'
4 And he saith to them, 'Is it lawful on the sabbaths [Greek:  sabbasin/ σάββασιν/ Sabbaths] to do good, or to do evil?  life to save, or to kill?'  but they were silent.
5 And having looked round upon them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their heart, he saith to the man, 'Stretch forth thy hand;' and he stretched forth, and his hand was restored whole as the other;
6 and the Pharisees having gone forth, immediately, with the Herodians, were taking counsel against him how they might destroy him.

4521. sabbaton
https://biblehub.com/greek/4521.htm
sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Definition: the Sabbath, the seventh day (of the week)
Usage: the Sabbath, a week.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
of Hebrew origin shabbath

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Do you think Jesus was "angry" in connection with Lazarus' death?

John 11:33
https://biblehub.com/john/11-33.htm
https://biblehub.com/text/john/11-33.htm
http://dukhrana.com
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
(HCSB) When Jesus saw her crying, and the Jews who had come with her crying, He was angry [Greek:  ἐνεβριμήσατο/ enebrimēsato] in His spirit and deeply moved.
(Etheridge) But Jeshu, when he saw her weeping, and those Jihudoyee who came with her weeping, he was moved [Aramaic:  a-th-ai-z-z:  he groaned] in his spirit, and was troubled,
(Murdock) And when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews weeping who came with her, he was moved in spirit, and was agitated.

1690. embrimaomai
https://biblehub.com/greek/1690.htm
embrimaomai: to be moved with anger, to admonish sternly
Original Word: ἐμβριμάομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: embrimaomai
Phonetic Spelling: (em-brim-ah'-om-ahee)
Definition: to be moved with anger, to admonish sternly
Usage: I snort (with the notion of coercion springing out of displeasure, anger, indignation, antagonism), express indignant displeasure with some one; I charge sternly.
HELPS Word-studies
1690 embrimáomai (from 1722 /en, "engaged in" and brimaomai, "to snort") – properly, snort like an angry horse; (literally) "snort (roar) with rage" (BAGD) which expresses strong indignation....

CAL
http://cal.huc.edu/getlex.php?coord=620431133&word=10
(zz verb Dt
ˁzz vb. to be strong; to rage
OA peal impf. yˁz; pael ....
G
  1 to be strong OA. --(a) ... : to invade Syr.
  2 to be heavy Syr.
  3 (sea) to rage Syr, JBAmb.
  4 pass. ptc.: excited Sam.
D
  1 to strengthen, fortify OA, Sam.
  2 to revive, refresh Man.
Dt
  1 to be made strong Syr.
  2 to be made powerful Syr.
  3 to rage Syr.
  4 to be exacerbated Syr.
  5 to groan Syr.
  6 to be angry Syr.
  7 to threaten Syr.

John 11:38
https://biblehub.com/john/11-38.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/11-38.htm
http://dukhrana.com
https://aramaicdb.lightofword.org/en/new-interlinear-search
(HCSB) Then Jesus, angry [Greek:  embrimōmenos/ ἐμβριμώμενος] in Himself again, came to the tomb.  It was a cave, and a stone was lying against it.
(Etheridge) Jeshu, groaning [Aramaic:  m-th-ai-z-z:  groaning] within himself, came to the house of burial; and that house of burial was a cave, and a stone was laid at the gate of it.
(Murdock) And Jesus, still agitated within, came to the grave.  Now the grave was a cave, and a stone was laid upon its entrance.

What do you think better characterizes Jesus' state of mind in Jn 11:33, 38:  the Greek-- which twice calls Jesus "angry"-- or the Latin?
If you think Jesus was "angry," with who or what was he angry?

http://dukhrana.com
John 11:33 - Iesus ergo, ut vidit eam plorantem, et Iudæos, qui venerant cum ea, plorantes, infremuit spiritu, et turbavit seipsum,
[google translate:  Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her, was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.  Or maybe:  ....he groaned in the spirit....]

John 11:38 - Iesus ergo rursum fremens in semetipso, venit ad monumentum. Erat autem spelunca: et lapis superpositus erat ei.
[google translate:  Jesus, again greatly disturbed, came to the tomb.  It was a cave, and a stone was lying against it.  Or maybe:  Jesus, deeply moved again....]

[marie glen]

I've been thinking perhaps it will take the millenium ("the thousand years") for us to learn God's Word.. maybe part of the reason for it taking such a long duration is because we will have to learn the Aramaic and Hebrew.. ?
To be fit to serve during the duration called "the judgment".

I suspect that the Millennium already occurred, either by the end of A.D. 70, or by the end of A.D. 1070.  Very-limited humans on earth have learned Hebrew, and have learned Aramaic, reasonably well, despite it not being their native tongue.

oh I'm talking about "the thousand years" that Revelation chapter 20 talks about..

[marie glen]

"angry" that is strange.. tho we know John likely wrote in Aramaic..

[DavidFord]

Jesus had followers who saw what he was doing.  Does it make sense to you for people to urge Jesus to go to Judea, so that his followers would see the works that he was doing?
Do you agree with Torrey that for Jn 7:3, there's an "absurd reading of our Greek text"?

John 6:12 (HCSB)
https://biblehub.com/john/6-12.htm
When they were full, He told His disciples, "Collect the leftovers so that nothing is wasted."

John 7:3 (Berean Literal Bible)
https://biblehub.com/john/7-3.htm
Therefore His brothers said to Him, "Depart from here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples will also see Your works that You are doing.

John 6:71-7:5 (based on Younan, modified), http://dukhrana.com
6:71. Now he was speaking concerning Yehuda the son of Shimon Skaryota, for he was about to betray him, being one from the twelve.
7:1. After these things Yeshua was walking in Galeela, for he did not desire to walk in Yehud because the Yehudeans were seeking to kill him.  2. And the Feast of Tabernacles of the Yehudeans was drawing near.  3. And his brothers said to him-- to Yeshua:
"Depart from here and go to Yehud, that they may see talmidik [your students/disciples] (and) the works that you do.  4. For there is no man who does anything secretly, yet he desires that it be in the open.  If you do these things, show yourself to the world"--
5. for not even his brothers had believed in him-- in Yeshua.

_Our Translated Gospels:  Some of the Evidence_ (1936), 172pp. by Charles Cutler Torrey.  On 155, 158
https://archive.org/details/OurTranslatedGospelsCCTorrey/page/n1
Exhibit XXV. Slight Corruption (_waw_ inserted or omitted).   ....
c. Jn. 7:3 ac. to Grk.:  His brethren said to him, Go forth, get away to Judea, so that YOUR DISCIPLES ALSO MAY SEE YOUR "WORKS" WHICH YOU PERFORM (....[snip Aramaic letters]....).

True rendering: ... Go forth ... to Judea, so that THEY MAY SEE your "disciples" AND the "works" (lit., _your_^33 works) which you perform (same Aramaic text, except for the conjunction in ....[snip Aramaic letters]....).
33:  The suffixed pronoun would be used here in the Aramaic, but its rendering in the Greek translation is decidedly unpleasing.
....
Exhibit XXV, C (Jn. 7:3).  The absurd reading of our Greek text hardly needs comment; notice however that the next verse bids Jesus show his wonders to the world (not simply to a band of obscure and over-credulous Galileans)!
The reason of the mistake made by the translator (or copyist?) is as obvious as any error of translating can be:  the subject of the verb, "that they may see," is the indefinite plural which is omnipresent in Aramaic; while its direct object, "your disciples," immediately following, holds the place ordinarily occupied by the subject.  Any rapidly working scribe or translator of the Aramaic text would therefore have been likely to omit or overlook the following waw.  Another of the many unquestionable proofs of a translated Fourth Gospel.

[marie glen]

John 7:3 His natural brothers, the context says, did not believe.. so they said to Him why not go to the feast ..."so your followers.." (presumedly there) would see His works.. kind of a mocking thing..

Context and also all pertaining verses concerning a topic or doctrine, are so important.

There's the extreme of never ever looking beyond the translations.. Accepting things as handed down to you from human leaders (and translators)..

Or the other extreme - as everything has two extremes? - getting bogged down in minutiae that doesn't really do anything to make the "good news to all" more clearly told..?

It's logical the Lord spoke Aramaic.. so would have said sheol and not the Greek hades, a totally mythic place/idea.. Unfortunately many of the letters of the New Testament were written to nonHebrew groups of believers, and hades is the translation they had.. Or one of them, I heard, which possibly suggests deliberate poor translation(!?) Due to the translators worldview at the time?

But! The Spirit is with us to guide us into all Truth.

I think we are in agreement that the Word - "reasoning expressed in words" of God, is gold and silver. Works (videos, books, etc) about that Word, are secondary at best.

...God's reasoning also expresssed as Jesus!

This is what the world and believers need to hear. God's own words and reasoning. Is there any other reasoning that matters at all? My heartfelt prayer is for His followers, near and far, will hear, see and speak only Truth. His truth, not so much what each one of us thinks about His Word/reasoning. I am constantly amazed at how sincere believers and seekers after the truth of what God is doing (and how? edit, and why) brazenly add to and take away from His Words. "Hath God really ..said..?") Just because the Book of Revelation - the culmination  of all this (God's truth proving documentary?) - portrays the results of humanity's doings, via symbol and even metaphor, does not mean the whole Bible is metaphor. Was the virgin birth metaphor? Or how "He was bruised for our iniquity"? If the Word was literal in the past, why is everything future only metaphor? Because metaphor makes self look important (imo that is) .."If it were possible even the very elect would be deceived" .."but the gates of hades (the grave) will not prevail against it.." ..."The Spirit will tell you things to come.." .."four angels/messengERs at the corners/directions hold back the winds.. (while) a great crowd from every nation, tribe and "ethnos" too many to number/count.. and 144,000 (counted) from twelve tribes of Israel.. sealed on their foreheads and no lie is upon their lips, they are virgins.." ..Paul said "..yield yourselves unto God".. "This gospel - the true and accurate gospel - will be preached (told) to ALL nations".. The goood news. I don't think we can understand and thus speak it clearly, without God's seal on our forehead. So that's my prayer for all of us.