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Daniel 7:14 And 1 Corinthians 15:24

Started by JamesH, August 26, 2019, 01:01:52 AM

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JamesH

I don't believe in contradictions in the Bible but there are some passages that seem to contradict each other.

Daniel 7:14-And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

1 Corithians 15:24-then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

The bolded phrases are the ones that are difficult to harmonize. First Daniel is speaking of the prophecy of Christ's coming kingdom. It says "His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away" where everlasting is αἰώνιος in the LXX. We know that αἰώνιος means eonian or age lasting so how can his kingdom be age lasting but it will not come to an end?

And second if His kingdom doesn't come to an end how do you harmonize 1 Cor 15:24 where is says that he hands over the kingdom to the Father?

jabcat

Maybe God's (Father) kingdom is also Jesus' kingdom?  By extension or "family" relation/connection?  Just primarily the Father's?   :Chinscratch:
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That makes me think about 'The angel of the Lord'study I did.
In one verse we read 'the angel said', the next verse the angel is adressed as God in person.
Or who destroyed Sodom and Gomorah? God (Gen 19:24) or angels *Gen 19:13)?


The answer lays in the ancient mindset. A representative of the king speaks with the kings authority. Disobeying the representative is disobeying the king.

Another example is Moses and Aaron. In many verses we read "Moses said to pharao". But did Moses really say that? Moses grumbled when God gave him his task. He complained he couldn't speak well etc. Then God said Ok, let Aaron do the talking



Exodus 4:10-17 New Living Translation (NLT)

10 But Moses pleaded with the Lord, "O Lord, I'm not very good with words. I never have been, and I'm not now, even though you have spoken to me. I get tongue-tied, and my words get tangled."
11 Then the Lord asked Moses, "Who makes a person's mouth? Who decides whether people speak or do not speak, hear or do not hear, see or do not see? Is it not I, the Lord?
12 Now go! I will be with you as you speak, and I will instruct you in what to say."
13 But Moses again pleaded, "Lord, please! Send anyone else."
14 Then the Lord became angry with Moses. "All right," he said. "What about your brother, Aaron the Levite? I know he speaks well. And look! He is on his way to meet you now. He will be delighted to see you. 15 Talk to him, and put the words in his mouth. I will be with both of you as you speak, and I will instruct you both in what to do.
16 Aaron will be your spokesman to the people. He will be your mouthpiece, and you will stand in the place of God for him, telling him what to say.
17 And take your shepherd's staff with you, and use it to perform the miraculous signs I have shown you."


Let the bolded part sink in. For Aaron, Moses' words were of equal absolte supreme truth as if God in person stood before him (Aaron).

ESV puts it even more clearly/directly:
16 He shall speak for you to the people, and he shall be your mouth, and you shall be as God to him.




Discussing things with an angels who talks to you under/with authority of God Himself is/was adressed as God, not because the angel is God, but because the words are from God.

I have many more such examples. Dozens can be found in the OT.

So... back to your question. I think Jesus never will really have a kingdom of His own. But He does have a Kingdom under God's authority. A reprenstative with utmost authority.




1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

darryl

yet again, as in so many instances, the translation seems not accurate...I went to Biblehub and found the literal translation, as follows:
4437 [e]   וּמַלְכוּתֵ֖הּ
ū-mal-ḵū-ṯêh   and His kingdom   Conj-w | N-fsc | 3ms
1768 [e]   דִּי־
dî-   [the one] which   Pro-r
3809 [e]   לָ֥א
lā   not   Adv-NegPrt
2255 [e]   תִתְחַבַּֽל׃
ṯiṯ-ḥab-bal.   shall be destroyed   V-Hitpael-Imperf-3fs
   פ
p̄   -   Punc
'...His kingdom not DESTROYED'.....Jesus kingdom is not DESTROYED but He hands it to the Father = no contradiction at all.
"I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance".Isaiah 45:23

marie glen

Quote from: jabcat on August 26, 2019, 07:04:25 AM
Maybe God's (Father) kingdom is also Jesus' kingdom?  By extension or "family" relation/connection?  Just primarily the Father's?   :Chinscratch:

Like king and heir!  :thumbsup:

P.S. And Amen WW and Darryl..  :thumbsup:

And amen, JamesH.. seeking the answer rather than assume contradiction! :banana: :thumbsup:
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jugghead

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IMO, which has already been said by others here, it is the "dominion" that is handed over, not who rules "in" the dominion.

It is like handing over "a land" (the dominion) back to the Father, I see the words "dominion" and "kingdom" as synonymous between the Old Testament and the New Testament

He is not handing back "the authority" in the dominion/kingdom, He is handing back the dominion/kingdom itself because they (the Father and the Son) rule as one "IN" the dominion/kingdom.

With this, there is no contradiction
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