Found another 3.5? - a UR 3.5?

[marie glen]

If I can remember this correctly, there's a 3.5 in Daniel 12:11,12 and in Revelation.. I haven't read the Book of Revelation for a couple of years, except verses here and there. There's the two witnesses, lay expired in the street for 3.5 days. Revelation 12:14, the woman (believers?)is kept safe from the "face of the adversary" for a 3.5.

There has to be another one because there seems to, imo, be three. One was 100's; one was days; and (aha) one is years.  :doh: Which is the Daniel verses - 12:11,12 w/ 9:27.

Thinking of eschatology and how it relates to (mingles with?) UR.

I think perhaps, there is another 3.5 from His crucifixion and resurrection, to that day when God becomes all in all. I've begun to think of it as the all in all event. And coinciding with Revelation 21:1-5 when the Father makes all things new.

Now that's the thing. Where do I get the 3.5? (Raise your hand if you know!)

Well, it's into the 2000's now.. since He was here (from His ascension!)

If man's system implodes in the not far distant future, called apocalypse, and the millennium begin - and lasts a thousand years, that brings us to the 3000.

And if "the Judgment" lasts 500 years - represented by the 5 days between the Fall Holy Days, of Day Of Atonement and Tabernacles, brings us to year 3500,  another 3.5.

A 3.5 between His advents.

There's 10 days between Trumpets and Day of Atonement, representing the millennium (imo).

I think this pattern strongly suggests and supports UR!

(I believe the pattern whether there's this 3.5 between His advents, or not. Making Day of Judgment to be Day of Atonement. [UR]

The playing out like a telescoping.. or what EW calls "wheels within wheels"?

[trettep]

In 2040AD will be the return of Christ.   That is because there is 40 Jubilees leading to it. (Typed by the 40 year destruction of the Temple in 70AD).

You need to understand the timing of the Feast Days.

Dan 12:11  And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 
Dan 12:12  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 

Now lets understand the following:

5th month (end of the 1260 days) (Don't hold to this but keep it in your prayer for guidance).
6th Month day 1 - Beginning of the Abomination of Desolation - End of the 1290 days.
7th Month (Feast of Trumpets starts 7/1) 
7th Month Day 10 - Day of Atonement - 40th Day of the Great Tribulation which started on 6/1.
7th Month Day 15 - Feast of Tabernacles - Also, the 1335th day from Daniel 12:12.

There is the timeline.  I'm still working on the timing of the 1260 days.

The other days I feel much more confident in.  So I'm working on that.

[marie glen]

Very interesting. I have to study it later when I have more time.

My main focus of course isn’t trying to figure out when He returns..

The thought just came to mind .. if He died and rose in 33a.d. That puts you and I at about 7 years difference.. but I don’t believe in a 7 year what they call trib... but 45 days due to Dan 12:11,12.. that says around the midst of that last week (of Daniel 9 - putting the 2 advents somewhat together which is actually, very common in the scriptures)

But I was just now thinking the 3.5 thousands between His advents could be rather marking the beginning of the Day Of The LORD, which begins before Jesus’ return. Perhaps when the world imposes its rule over Israel..

But that’s not my interest so much as the Fall Holy Days of Lev. 23 being the pattern of His long second advent — making “the Judgment” to be Day Of Atonement, lasting 500 years/age long.

And I’m always trying to really simplify the message or purpose or lesson God is teaching. And today I thought of it like this -

God is a tree.
We are all leaves on the tree.
His judgments / DISCERNMENTS are righteous & true.
To disagree is to be a leaf plucked off the tree.
What then, when a leaf is separated from its life source, the tree, what happens?
Can a leaf ever live and remain alive, fresh and green,
once plucked off the tree?

ThAt’s what I think allll of this - history/life as we presently know it, is about. That one foundation truth. Upon which I would suppose all other truth rests upon. It’s like (to me) “all in heaven and earth” are learning to fully understand - try it little leaf.. and experience which teach us all, it cannot be done. The little leaf separated from the tree - Does Not Live.

Also, going by the few times I think a day is like a thousand years - as far as from our perspective.. Adam died “on the day he ate of the forbidden fruit” - disobedience. Leaves plucked from the tree.. blown about by the winds..

Basic Truth = simple. “But man has many inventions.”

..and of course we are reconnected to the tree, through Jesus. And can receive the life giving sap of life.. God’s very Spirit and Presence.

[trettep]

In 2040 we will have the same pattern of cycles to day relationship as in 31AD (Year of the Crucifixion).

In other words, April 25th in 31AD was a full moon on a Wednesday.  On April 25th, 2040 AD there will be a full moon and it will be a Wednesday.

The full moon is important because that is how the appointed times are determined.  It is also the very next Jubilee after 40 Jubilees since 31 AD and it is after the 120th Jubilee of Genesis 6:3

All the "stars" that Clement of Alexandria said were associated with the Candlesticks will move into the constellation Virgo at the time of the Feast of Trumpets (7th month).

I would highly advise everyone to download the program Stellarium (its free) and check this amazing event out. 

Some will argue how I can know that 31 AD was the year of the Crucifixion.  There is a small window that can coincide with the 15th year of Tiberius Caesars rule.  He was co-princeps with Augustine starting in start in 12AD.  Therefore, the 15th year would be 27AD and Christ ministry was 3.5 years.  But the real key indicator is the destruction of the Temple in 40 AD.  It could only take 40 years to destroy the Temple - no less - no more.  This is the tribulation periods provided in scripture repeatedly.  Including the 40 years in the wilderness of sin by the Israelites, the 40 days/nights of trial for the Noah's ark when the rains came, the 40 day trial for the city of Ninveveh to repent.  The 40 days/nights trial of Jesus in the Desert by Satan.

We know that the temple was destroyed in 70AD.  Therefore, the 40 years would have to begin at year 30 or 31. It actually began based on inclusiveness of the year 31 AD.  Also, this is the only year in which the Wednesday crucifixion is possible on the Full moon as indicated for Passover.

Everything lines up. 

[joeteekay]

Interesting. I too need to look into this.
By the way as a novice astronomer, I found the program trettep refered to as invaluable. Yes its free:

http://stellarium.org/

[MusicLover123]

Trettep, have you seen this already?

http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/the-current-year-since-creation-and-when-the-sabbath-and-jubilee-years-are/

He puts it at 2028AD, so I'm curious how you find his calculations compared to yours. In fact I've heard this date from a couple different sources.

[trettep]

Trettep, have you seen this already?

http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/the-current-year-since-creation-and-when-the-sabbath-and-jubilee-years-are/

He puts it at 2028AD, so I'm curious how you find his calculations compared to yours. In fact I've heard this date from a couple different sources.

The problem with his source is that he starts with a date that we can substantiate.  I don't need to do that.  I can start with the facts presented in the Bible.  And the dates I provide all line up.  To me the 2040 year is irrefutable based on the evidence.

Over and Over again in the scriptures we see the common theme of 40 days of trial/judgement.  The Bible tells us that Judgment begins with the House of God.  That is what you have had for 40 Jubilees (again this was typed by the destruction of the Temple.).  But this needs to happen first because it did in the past also.  Recall that the Levites were the ones in the 40 years of the Desert that stood with Moses and were chosen to be the Priests.  The same is happening now. 

I'm simply using the FORMER to establish the LATTER.  This is what we were instructed to do.  And when we understand it - it becomes so much more clear.

There are things you begin to understand about the former times.  Like WHY did God have to destroy all those people in promised land?  This was a type of the purging of Sin that will occur when He comes again in the New Promised Land. 

Why was the Israelites put 12 stones in the River Jordan when they passed.  This was a type of the Day of Atonement.  Again, that ends the Judgement.  That is what we see happening on the 10 Day of the 7th Month in 2040AD.

I'll take what I see up against any other watchman out there.  Anyone that has an open mind I would suggest to compare these things I'm reporting to what others have presented. Ask questions.  I don't have all the answers but the fact that I have some of these answers tells me that we are close.

[trettep]

Interesting. I too need to look into this.
By the way as a novice astronomer, I found the program trettep refered to as invaluable. Yes its free:

http://stellarium.org/

Go to 2040AD in the program.

Go to Oct 5th (My Birthday)  That is the beginning of the 7th month (Feast of Trumpets).  Look at the stars in Virgo.
I actually learned about the Jubilee and the 2040 connection around my 50th Birthday (fitting since Jubilee is a 50 year reference).  I think God was telling me something.

[marie glen]

I have to study on your numbers more. I’ve only been shown a counting backwards.
And I think they’re all important.. tho I hate math! Well I used to..

Assuming the day 1335 (Dn.12:12) is the return of the Lord. I mean the verse pretty much says, happy those who make it to day 1335 (oh Philadelphians?)

And one thing I’ve learned, is the numbers can be more than one thing.. like prophecy itself.

Day 1335, being the one thousand, three hundred and thirty five days since the event of the previous verse. A removing, stopping (or demolition? The of the remainder? Or that is of the “Wailing Wall”? Or later yet, 3rd temple ritual outlawed? Mk.13:2)

12:11, as we know says from the time the daily? “perpetual” sacrifice is taken away, until the abomination that makes desolate, empty, is set up, will be 1,290 days.

And then verse 12, “Blessed, happy, is he/she who waits and comes to day 1335.”

! ...what happy thing happens on day 1335? Which is also day 45 of the desolating.

That extra 30 days — a leap month do you think? And how exactly would that fit.. I wonder.

All i’m saying is, u.r. remain Philadelphians! Doesn’t matter what happens or when or not! Greek 4 brotherly love.. Fruit of the Spirit, stay on the vine, and in the word of course.

...and of course the op was about “is day of judgment actually Day of Atonement?  Because of the pattern of the Fall Holy Days” (Lev.23)

[trettep]

It is like this:

31 AD (Death and Resurrection of Jesus 80th Jubilee)
.
. 40 Jubilees
.
1991 (last Jubilee of the 120)
.
.
.
2040 (new Jubilee year)
Now in this year we have the following:

   5th month ------- 6thmonth (Daniel's 1290th day Start of Abomination of Desolation and beginning of Great Tribulation)--->
   ....  7thmonth (10th day - Day of Atonement also end of the 40 days of Great Tribulation) ---> 7th month 15th day (Feast of Tabernacles and also Daniels 1335 day).

Remember this in Daniel:
Dan 12:9  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 
Dan 12:10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 

Rev 6:9  And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 
Rev 6:10  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 
Rev 6:11  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 

You see the correlation of those verses above from Daniel and Revelation.  The groups are the same.

Now see the correlation here:

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 

Why do they have PALMS in their hands? - Because it is the Feast of Tabernacles:

Lev 23:39  Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath. 
Lev_23:40  And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.

Daniel says those at 1335th day are  BLESSED:

Rev_20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You see these are firstfruits.  These are all the BARLEY and the WHEAT.  But remember the BARLEY gets killed and the WHEAT get left behind to go through Great Tribulation.  This is where we see the TWO Women grinding at the mill.  One is grinding the Wheat and the other the Barley.  Two are in the field.  One is gathering the Wheat and the other the Barley.

[marie glen]

It is like this:

31 AD (Death and Resurrection of Jesus 80th Jubilee)
.
. 40 Jubilees
.
1991 (last Jubilee of the 120)
.
.
.
2040 (new Jubilee year)

why the extra jubilee? oh.. I see.. I've thought of the last jubilee as a sort of telescoping into the 2nd advent.. :Chinscratch: but you don't? but a literal 50 years.. in which what is occurring.. the last 40 being judgments? during Jubilee.. This is where we differ (I think).

I believe at that 120th jubilee begins the long 2nd advent of our Lord..

I think of 27a.d. (agreed) as the beginning year of His ministry (1st advent) 

I was thinking of the Jubilee being when Jesus began His ministry (?): :dontknow: But it doesn't really matter, I'm just putting it in my own words as I understand it.. we're not that far apart on some things..

27 a.d - Luke 4:17-19
And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.
And when He had opened the book,
He found the place where it was written:
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.” :dontknow:

By adding 2000 years or 40 Jubilees later, the next Biblical Jubilee would be in 2027 AD. beginning on Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur of that year.

Now in this year we have the following:

   5th month ------- 6thmonth (Daniel's 1290th day Start of Abomination of Desolation and beginning of Great Tribulation)--->
   ....  7thmonth (10th day - Day of Atonement also end of the 40 days of Great Tribulation) ---> 7th month 15th day (Feast of Tabernacles and also Daniels 1335 day).

I believe He comes at the last Trumpet and with the sound of the Trumpet..

I don't think His return patterns after the Fall holy days as days.. But as the Fall Holy Days representing the whole 2nd advent - from His return --- through a 1000 year literal rule --- through "the Judgment/the real Day Of Atonement-500years --- to the "all in all" event, when the Father "makes all things new" Rev.21:1-5

From His return to ---> the "all in all" event when God makes "all things new" Rev.21:1-5

(or actually from Day of the LORD? - Trumpet #1 of Rev.8, making 2031 APPROX. when the Rev. vision accelerates? of which after we do not know the time span..? but 9 yrs would bring us to 2040, lol! but don't quit reading? some important points..)

Remember this in Daniel:
Dan 12:9  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Rev 6:9  And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

I strongly believe the seals - which, as we know four of them are the notorious four horsemen of the apocalypse - which makes me see the seals as very progressive, or that is progressing.. the ride/maturity/gallop of the horsemen and other seals.

The first seal the victor on a white horse I believe is the victorious gospel going forth conquering and to conquer_{I haven't completely ruled out a double fulfllment w/ one fulfillment being a last days false messiah a popular belief}

With that in mind, I believe the seals to be main elements of the last age, the years of our Lord, A.D.

Rev 6:10  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

So by time we get to the 5th seal, the martyrs under the altar crying out to God - I think is the element of martyrdom that exists throughout the age.. and is metaphor and simile, like the blood of Abel which cried out to God from the ground..

Rev 6:11  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

You see the correlation of those verses above from Daniel and Revelation.  The groups are the same.

You mean the martyrs under the altar and this next - the great multitude of Rev. 7, the next chapter?

Now see the correlation here:

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

I think of this as spiritual.. they are a group - two groups - which receive the seal of God on their foreheads.. Just like I believe when we worship, we are in essence before His throne.. I believe this occasion and the one in Rev 19 which says "upon Mt Zion^{which is NOT where He returns to} are spiritual and not literal (oy..I'm very much a literalist,lol)

Why do they have PALMS in their hands? - Because it is the Feast of Tabernacles:

I'm more inclined to think as a symbol of worship.. As I can't help thinking of the "all in all" event & eternity/enduring-ness as being more likely represented by Tabernacles.. And His return at the 7th/last trumpet..

Lev 23:39  Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev_23:40  And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.

I believe this is simile for eternity..

Rev 21:3 - and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God

God's perfectly fulfilled blueprint instituted of His being "all in all" and "the lion eating straw like the ox, etc.. a new heavens and a new earth wherein righteousness is to dwell"..for "all in heaven & earth" have fully learned and understood "good from evil" and "His law thus is engraved upon every heart.."

Daniel says those at 1335th day are  BLESSED:

Rev_20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

:iagree:

You see these are firstfruits.  These are all the BARLEY and the WHEAT.  But remember the BARLEY gets killed and the WHEAT get left behind to go through Great Tribulation.

The barley being Jesus? the wheat, whether alive or dead (or martyred) gathered "into His barn^simile at His return^literal". ..."and His feet in that day shall stand on Mt of Olives" Zech.14:4.

  This is where we see the TWO Women grinding at the mill.  One is grinding the Wheat and the other the Barley.  Two are in the field.  One is gathering the Wheat and the other the Barley.

I don't see that anywhere in scripture.. and one taken the other left I think may be the opposite.. "those in the field don't return to the house for a coat", etc..  "perilous days.. one will be taken.. don't let that day come upon you unawares".. [note to any reader, these are verses, not any sort of expression of any sort of fear. :)

I still think it's "After two days He will revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, that we may live in His presence". If a day is 1000 years and He ascended approx. 31 A.D. it's possible if we were into setting dates to consider 2031 @ Trumpets.. OR - would that include "the Day of the LORD" which is all 7 trumpets with His return at the sounding of the 7th (but which the 7 bowls are in & are quick/concurrent? "He comes w/ fire & angels.." Simile for man's fire?Rev.16:14-16)

But - the u.r. point? being -

.."After two days He will revive us; on the third day He will raise us up.."
                                                                                 2 days = 2000 years = APPROX. 2013 or whenever, actually :)
                                            ---- then is His Millennium  ---       1000 years (signified by 10days between Trumpets & DOA)
The Judgment = Day Of Atonement (DOA for the initially DOA)  = 500 years (sig. by 5days between DOA & Tabernacles)
                                                                                              --------------------
                                                                                                   3500 / a 3.5 division of time..

In Rev there is 3.5 days; In Dan.9&12:11 - 3.5 years; In Rev 12:14, there is 3.5 centuries(imo) so why not a 3.5 millenniums? And if the Judgment lasts 500 years, isn't it logical the lof is merely concurrent when it comes to humans, and - like a great Day of Atonement - all repent and are reconciled upon that day/age. (Ps.22:27-->when else?)


(The star and virgo thing... maybe we will be watching that during the millennium..? The "new heavens and new Earth" do not occur at His return but is part of the final "all in all" event.)                   

[trettep]

Hi marie glen.

I'm not adding an extra Jubilee.  We know that the 120 Jubilees were for Man's dominion per Genesis 6:3.  Therefore, the next one would be the liberation.  Therefore, you can think of it as the 121st Jubilee (2040AD)

Yes, I also believe His ministry started in 27AD.

I have the Jubilee (Jubilee 80) at his Resurrection year in 31 AD.  Also, if you count back by Jubilees, you will be at the 70th Jubilee (When Daniels prophecy was made of the 70 weeks - fitting).  Also if you go back to Jubilee 50 you will hit the Exodus at 1440 BC.

Regarding those verses:
Mat 24:40  Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 
Mat 24:41  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 
The part about them being Barley and Wheat is what I have Spiritually derived.

[marie glen]

31 AD (Death and Resurrection of Jesus 80th Jubilee)
.
. 40 Jubilees
.
1991

Isn't 40 jubilees 40 X 50(jubilees) = 2000 +31 = 2031?

One of the few times.. A day for a thousand years - But Jubilee lasts a year. Which for some reason, I've equated with the Millennium.. as the day of Jubilee.. But the Biggest Jubilee has to be announced on Day of Atonement... (of those who rise in the 2nd resurrection "after the thousand years")

:dontknow: I'll be the first to acknowledge the things we derive in the Spirit can be incomplete.. or need to be fine tuned. Or more likely always need to be fine tuned.. :doh: :laughing7:

Here's a bit of whimsy I've been thinking, which I haven't before, that He returns on a Day of Trumpets (likely) and since He comes, not only "with angels" but "with fire" I believe Armageddon battle occurs at the same time.. so ten days.. the land rests after it? And the Millennium officially begins on Day of Atonement? with "tabernacles"/dwellings/places of operation/study/whatnot established five days later.. :wink2:

With, of course, the telescoping, as occurs w/ prophecy; of
Trumpets/His return(1000yrs) ~ Day of Judgment/Day of Atonement(500yrs) ~ Tabernacles/the "all in all" event

[MusicLover123]

Jesus birth may be a factor here, so here is one place for Jesus birth date:

https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/when-really-was-jesus-born/chapter-1-when-really-was-jesus-born/

[trettep]

31 AD (Death and Resurrection of Jesus 80th Jubilee)
.
. 40 Jubilees
.
1991

Isn't 40 jubilees 40 X 50(jubilees) = 2000 +31 = 2031?

One of the few times.. A day for a thousand years - But Jubilee lasts a year. Which for some reason, I've equated with the Millennium.. as the day of Jubilee.. But the Biggest Jubilee has to be announced on Day of Atonement... (of those who rise in the 2nd resurrection "after the thousand years")

:dontknow: I'll be the first to acknowledge the things we derive in the Spirit can be incomplete.. or need to be fine tuned. Or more likely always need to be fine tuned.. :doh: :laughing7:

Here's a bit of whimsy I've been thinking, which I haven't before, that He returns on a Day of Trumpets (likely) and since He comes, not only "with angels" but "with fire" I believe Armageddon battle occurs at the same time.. so ten days.. the land rests after it? And the Millennium officially begins on Day of Atonement? with "tabernacles"/dwellings/places of operation/study/whatnot established five days later.. :wink2:

With, of course, the telescoping, as occurs w/ prophecy; of
Trumpets/His return(1000yrs) ~ Day of Judgment/Day of Atonement(500yrs) ~ Tabernacles/the "all in all" event

A Jubilee is 50 years but you don't count by 50's.  you count them by 49.

For example, 1,2,3,4....50/1 2,3,4.... 50/1 2,3,4.... etc...

Because the 50th year is also the first year in the next cycle.  So it counts as two years in the counting.

Lev 25:8  And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. 
Lev 25:9  Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. 
Lev 25:10  And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. 

What is interesting is that you can tell by this method that it was designed to take you to the final Jubilee.

[trettep]

Jesus birth may be a factor here, so here is one place for Jesus birth date:

https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/when-really-was-jesus-born/chapter-1-when-really-was-jesus-born/

I believe Jesus was born on Oct 13th or 14th of 4 BC.  The significance is that I believe this is also the GREAT DAY when the gathering of all takes place (8th day of the Feast of Tabernacles).  This also happens to be right when Jupiter goes into retrograde.  Therefore it would appear to stand still.

[marie glen]

A Jubilee is 50 years but you don't count by 50's.  you count them by 49.

For example, 1,2,3,4....50/1 2,3,4.... 50/1 2,3,4.... etc...

Because the 50th year is also the first year in the next cycle.  So it counts as two years in the counting.

Lev 25:8  And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
Lev 25:9  Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
Lev 25:10  And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

What is interesting is that you can tell by this method that it was designed to take you to the final Jubilee.

"A Jubilee is 50 years but you don't count by 50's.  you count them by 49." - which is another not agreed upon thing.. oy. Some saying as you've said.. some saying no 50 is not 49.. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1518929?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents


I don't really care about setting a date of His return, or anything.. though of course this has been very interesting ..and I see another thread has been opened on the topic. :gsmile:


My figuring of the calendar has to do with Universal Reconciliation which I will try to bring back to with this next post -

[marie glen]

"Everything has happened, exactly as the scriptures said it would".

A little after Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem, accompanied by praise, John 12:16 says, "everything has happened, exactly as the scriptures said it would".

Later, Jesus and His disciples were outside Jerusalem when the disciples asked Him where He wanted them to prepare, so they could have the Passover meal together. As we know, their 'days' started at sunset (rather than at midnight). And likely the sun was setting, for John 13:1-5 says of later that evening, "before the festival of Passover.. He rose from supper and washed the feet of the disciples.."

But Mark 14:12, of the same day and hour, says it was the first day of the festival of Unleavened/Thin Bread "when the Passover lamb they were to sacrifice". (This is how the interlinear word for word phrases it.) And we know the Passover lambs were prepared on Passover, which is the 14th of Nisan, and were sacrificed that same day - which had begun at sunset - at the time of the daily late afternoon, temple sacrifice. And the 'Passover' meal - commemorating the exodus out of Egypt during the night - was eaten then, after sunset, which begins the 15th of Nisan. And is the actual "first day of Unleavened Bread". But it is still called the Passover meal. It was common to call the whole Spring Holy Week either Unleavened Bread, or Passover, blurring the days a little.

Jesus sent the disciples to make arrangements and procure a room, the upstairs room where a little later they shared the humble meal of bread and wine, His "last supper" (in preparation for the events about to occur).

We know He was arrested later that night, in the garden called Mt. of Olives. (Also from where He ascended and will return. Acts 1:11; Zech.14:4)

The next morning, when Jesus was before Pilate, John 19:14,15 says - "It was the day of preparation of Passover. The hour was about the third" (day hours began at six a.m. so third hour would be nine a.m.) "And Pilate said, 'Behold your king!'.. and they answered 'we have no king but Caesar!'..."

By a careful reading of verses, we see how He was brought during early morning/late night hours to the priests, to Pilates palace, then to Herod, and then back to Pilate.

And we can see Jesus was sentenced at the very hour of the temple morning sacrifice, which was daily at third hour, 9 a.m.

The soldiers, etc. put a purple robe upon Him and mocked and beat Him. And then there was the carrying of the cross and the procession to Golgotha hill.

And He died that day at 3:00 p.m., the very hour of the second daily temple sacrifice, and the hour on that day (Passover/Nisan 14) of the sacrificing of the annual Passover lamb.

And this, is how Jesus our Passover Lamb, "kept the Passover with His disciples".

As evening was dawning, He was put into the tomb. Likely right as the sun was setting, for Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus were in a hurry to wrap Him with spices and put Him into the tomb before beginning of "the feast day/Sabbath, for that was a high Sabbath" when the actual Passover meal is eaten. And if they had been in touch with a dead body upon that feast day (the 15th) they could not join the feast. But would be "outside the feast". — The first day of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15) is a high Sabbath. And of course, that day begins at sunset (which to us would still be the 14th).

He was placed into the tomb at sunset, just as Unleavened Bread was beginning. He was the unleavened pure bread of life "in the grave for three nights and three days" just as He said He would be.

He rose exactly three sunsets later — as the regular weekly Sabbath was ending, and third Holy Day of the week began, which is called "Firstfruits". This day always followed the regular weekly Sabbath of Spring Holy Week, thus always falling upon the first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 15:23 calls Him "Jesus the Firstfruits".

This is the pattern of events, that fulfills the Spring Holy Days. It may perhaps involve a tiny bit of circular reasoning(?) But I believe it is just too perfect, to not be true.

"Everything has happened exactly as the scriptures said it would" - Mark 14:12.

And of course, on Day of Pentecost a few weeks later, the "promised Holy Spirit of God was poured out" upon the believers, and will be ultimately "poured out upon all flesh" (Acts 2:17).

Since He so very perfectly fulfilled the pattern of the Spring Holy Days, via His first advent, I believe it is logical to assume the pattern of the Autumn Holy Days of - Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles - will be perfectly fulfilled, via His long second advent.

The three main peaks of that advent being:

~ His return ~ 'Day' of Judgment ~ and the "all in all" event..

...when the Son gives the kingdom to the Father "all things subdued/under Jesus' feet" and the Father makes "all things new" that "He may be all in all". And God, the Father, "will now tabernacle/dwell with mankind upon Earth made new".

"A new heavens and Earth wherein righteousness is to dwell"! (1 Cor.15:22-28; Rev.21:1-5; 2 Peter 3:13)

The Autumn Holy Days:

Trumpets - Day of Atonement - Tabernacles

A blowing of trumpets.. And
He returns at the last trump(et). There are "10 days" between Trumpets and Day of Atonement.

Day of Atonement was/is an annual, collective day of repentance and reconciliation, a strict Sabbath/day of no work and whoever will not submit on that day would be cast out and away from the people. (Leviticus 23:26-32)

(However) "Yahweh has sworn/taken an oath/declared and will not take it back, that to Him every knee will bow, every tongue will confess allegiance" (Isaiah 45:23).

Philippians 11:3 - "Every tongue will wholeheartedly confess Jesus is Lord" (per the Greek) "to the glory (praise, compliment) of God".

"All the ends of Earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all families of the nations will worship before Him" - Psalm 22:27.

There is "five days" between Day Of Atonement and Tabernacles.

It's not hard to see the trumpets of Bible prophecy and His return at the sounding of the 7th/last one. Then the "1000 years" called His millennial rule. (Represented by the "10 days" between Trumpets and Day of Atonement.)

After which - "the rest of the dead come back to life after the thousand years". And then begins "the Judgment".

If the 10 days between Trumpets and Day of Atonement, represent the 1000 years - the Millennium - it seems logical, the 5 days between Day of Atonement and Tabernacles represents 500 years.

Will the Judgment be a great Day of Atonement lasting 500 years? Wherein all enmity/hostility will be vanquished and "put under Jesus' feet" and "the last enemy to be subdued will be death". So that the Psalmist cried out "Oh death! Where is thy sting?!"

I understand this is speculation. But I believe it to be very scripture based and logical.

The third Holy Day of Autumn Holy Week of course is Tabernacles. How can we not be reminded of Revelation 21:3 "God will now tabernacle with mankind" upon Earth made new.. When "all things" are "made new". And God shall be "all in all". (1 Corinthians 15:22-28; Ephesians 1:10; Colossians 1:20)

I hope no one minds, but if I can, I think I will lock this thread.. for now..